| sandy_locke | although at first I thought it was funny ;) | 00:00 |
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| sandy_locke | yeah, last time I checked they didn't | 00:00 |
| sandy_locke | actually in #harmattan they told me I did my flash wrong the first time | 00:00 |
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| sandy_locke | I had to flash the openmode kernel *just* after zeroizing, w/o reboot or the like | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | or it creates OOM problems | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | nice folks there :) | 00:01 |
| sandy_locke | about nemo, why not do something along the line of NITDroid ? | 00:02 |
| sandy_locke | copy the system in /home/nemomobile for instance, and call kernel from ubiboot ? | 00:03 |
| sandy_locke | it would get rid of MOSLO and the repartitionings... | 00:03 |
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| sledges | we like to go native i guess :)) | 00:08 |
| sledges | there are some intricacies im sure | 00:08 |
| sledges | at any rate, we help out with moslo problems manually now on this channel | 00:09 |
| sledges | and the cases are not frequent enough to gain momentum on the moslo effort | 00:09 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I understand | 00:10 |
| sledges | iirc, moslo loads its kernel, and then kexec()s nemo kernel | 00:10 |
| sledges | (same with ubiboot) | 00:10 |
| sledges | which does also introduce some overhead | 00:10 |
| sledges | there were plans to go more native in that direction too | 00:10 |
| sledges | but that was a long long time ago :) | 00:10 |
| sledges | now it's all about bringing nemo live up asap and using as glacier dev phone ;) | 00:11 |
| sandy_locke | but what brings 'nativeness' in the end ? | 00:12 |
| sandy_locke | I mean, NITDroid seems perfectly capable as I heard | 00:13 |
| sledges | it's all about minimising OS overhead | 00:13 |
| sandy_locke | I don't understand 'overhead' | 00:13 |
| sandy_locke | (I sound like good old text adventures ;) ) | 00:13 |
| sledges | yes, as i said, now i don't see how nemo would underperform nitdroid way | 00:13 |
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| sledges | so everything's an experiment away ;) | 00:14 |
| sandy_locke | yeah ofc | 00:14 |
| sledges | 'overhead' - extra cpu cycles which slow your system down | 00:14 |
| sandy_locke | that's what's good in it ;) | 00:14 |
| sledges | but the reason why nemo went its own partition might hide in long meego heritage matters | 00:15 |
| sledges | yet again these days lack of past experts would impose us experimenting to prove such theories :) | 00:15 |
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| sledges | nite time, have a good one! | 00:16 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 00:16 |
| sandy_locke | have a good night then | 00:16 |
| sledges | cheers, you too | 00:16 |
| sandy_locke | see you tomorrow then | 00:16 |
| sandy_locke | thx | 00:16 |
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| sledges | cya | 00:19 |
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| Denommus | hi | 00:30 |
| Denommus | is there a doc on how to install nemo on N9? | 00:30 |
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| Denommus | oh, found it | 00:33 |
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| sledges | monin | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | moin | 08:14 |
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| locusf | morning | 08:27 |
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| faenil | morning :) | 08:58 |
| sledges | ahoj :D | 09:03 |
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| faenil | sledges, :D | 09:08 |
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| sledges | hows the wrather in tampere? | 09:59 |
| sledges | (it can be wrathy ;)) | 10:00 |
| sledges | noe' italia :D | 10:00 |
| sledges | *non e' | 10:00 |
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| dm8tbr | good moaning | 10:03 |
| dm8tbr | it's grey | 10:03 |
| faenil | sledges, haven't been seeing the sun for a while now :D | 10:04 |
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| sledges | :)) welcome to my world | 10:07 |
| sledges | grey here too | 10:07 |
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| faenil | :) | 10:12 |
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| sledges | very productive atmosphere | 10:26 |
| sledges | ;) | 10:26 |
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| sledges | in italy i couldnt work, always staring out the window into sunny cloudless mountain scape :D | 10:27 |
| sledges | colleagues always going, facciamo una passeggiata dai :D | 10:28 |
| faenil | sledges, ahhaahaha | 10:30 |
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| piggz | what is the repo list for nemo/mer ... im gonna switch back from jolla repos, but all my repo info is gone | 13:13 |
| locusf | btw I was wondering Nemo as Free Software VS just Open Source, what do you guys think? | 13:25 |
| locusf | I think that Nemo quite nicely reflects the ideas of Free Software as a whole | 13:26 |
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| sledges | FOSS | 13:36 |
| sledges | :)) | 13:36 |
| locusf | yeah, that too | 13:36 |
| sledges | https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart | 13:37 |
| sledges | piggz: ^ | 13:37 |
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| piggz | sledges: thx .. (kernel panick'd :/) | 13:54 |
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| sledges | something tells me that zypper in -f ssu-vendor-data fixes your repos | 13:57 |
| sledges | but for that you need to have nemo:mw repo already in ;) and it'll do the rest | 13:57 |
| sledges | `zypper in -f ssu-vendor-data-nemo` | 13:57 |
| piggz | ta | 13:58 |
| sledges | cheers :) | 13:58 |
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| piggz | why do apps display in the correct orientation, but the homescreen doesnt? | 14:54 |
| sledges | piggz: because two zbenjamin's PRs were still not accepted by jolla team :( | 14:55 |
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| sledges | they are hesitant probably thinking it might break their stuff | 14:55 |
| piggz | surely the jolla team doesnt run nemo? | 14:55 |
| dm8tbr | they use a _lot_ of nemo directly | 14:56 |
| sledges | PR in lipstick | 14:56 |
| sledges | they use it | 14:56 |
| dm8tbr | nobody wants a regression right before they ship a product | 14:57 |
| * dm8tbr personally prefers this over a situation with private branches and private development | 14:57 | |
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| special | it's also fairly likely that they were forgotten. | 15:00 |
| piggz | there we go, in theory i should be running a bog-standard nemo again | 15:04 |
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| piggz | seems like a few icons are missing | 15:05 |
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| sledges | piggz: nemo is wip | 15:09 |
| piggz | i know | 15:10 |
| piggz | not complaining | 15:10 |
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| sledges | but those 2 missing icons are alspndue to sailors busy :D | 15:10 |
| sledges | *also due | 15:10 |
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| sledges | special: whom should we poke for forgotten PRs? (in that order :D) | 15:11 |
| special | whomever should be reviewing that particular PR | 15:12 |
| special | when in doubt, whoever seems like a maintainer of that repository, or 'git log' / 'git blame' on the particular area being modified | 15:13 |
| sledges | oki will do | 15:14 |
| sledges | thanks | 15:14 |
| special | and then if it still goes nowhere, apply pressure :> | 15:15 |
| faenil | :D | 15:17 |
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| sledges | until breaks :)) | 15:26 |
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| sledges | special: pls accept maliit-plugins pr in nemomobile-packages :D | 15:39 |
| sledges | contains glacier kbd | 15:40 |
| special | was it updated since my last comment? | 15:40 |
| * sledges hides and goes to enable notifications | 15:40 | |
| special | ;) | 15:41 |
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| piggz | hmm, i broke the user session from starting ... how do i start it? | 15:46 |
| sledges | locusf: couls you pls adjust url of that pr | 15:47 |
| sledges | sha is a fine match though | 15:48 |
| sledges | piggz: systemctl ? dunno.. | 15:48 |
| piggz | sledges: yeah, but im not sure what target/service it is | 15:49 |
| sledges | nemo-mobile-session.service | 15:49 |
| sledges | a wild guess | 15:49 |
| sledges | depending on what you broke ;) | 15:49 |
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| locusf | sledges: ? | 15:53 |
| locusf | which pr? | 15:53 |
| locusf | ah that pr | 15:56 |
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| locusf | fixed now | 16:06 |
| sledges | great \o/ | 16:08 |
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| piggz | atlast! | 16:23 |
| piggz | finally, i got the bubble to bounce around the asteroid properly!!! | 16:24 |
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| artemma | with all the love to Jolla can't they branch out the release stuff if they do not want regression now? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | it may shock you that we aren't just dumping code into the open, the development branch of sailfish, for the parts that are nemo:mw, are 1:1 on source level | 16:35 |
| mikhas | *shocked* | 16:44 |
| artemma | :) | 16:46 |
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| Stskeeps | but yeah, branching practices etc | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | doesn | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | 't mean it makes sense to blow up developer's devices too ;) | 16:47 |
| mikhas | but if you *did* blow up devices, michael bay would produce a blockbuster about sailfishos | 16:50 |
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| locusf | lol | 16:53 |
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| piggz | why does this happen: | 19:00 |
| piggz | systemctl start lipstick.service | 19:00 |
| piggz | Failed to issue method call: Unit lipstick.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status lipstick.service' for details. | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | lipstick.service is under user session | 19:01 |
| piggz | Stskeeps: when i try to start user-session.target i get the same | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | user-session@UID.service | 19:02 |
| faenil | piggz, systemctl-user start | 19:04 |
| faenil | lipstick.service | 19:04 |
| piggz | systemctl-user start lipstick.service | 19:04 |
| piggz | systemd user session is not running | 19:04 |
| faenil | ok | 19:04 |
| faenil | then start user session | 19:05 |
| piggz | how? | 19:05 |
| faenil | see Stskeeps' comment | 19:05 |
| faenil | UID is 100000 in Nemo's case | 19:05 |
| piggz | systemctl start user-session@100000.service | 19:05 |
| piggz | Failed to issue method call: Unit user-session@100000.service failed to load: No such file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status user-session@100000.service' for details. | 19:05 |
| piggz | systemctl status user-session@100000.service | 19:06 |
| piggz | user-session@100000.service | 19:06 |
| piggz | Loaded: error (Reason: No such file or directory) | 19:06 |
| faenil | systemctl-user ? | 19:07 |
| piggz | just says the session isnt runnign | 19:08 |
| faenil | :/ | 19:09 |
| piggz | i must have uninstalled something... | 19:10 |
| faenil | ah right doesn't make much sense to systemctl-user if the session isn't running :D | 19:10 |
| faenil | so you're startin systemctl start user-session as root, right? | 19:11 |
| piggz | yes | 19:11 |
| piggz | the contents of user-session.target.wants http://pastebin.com/G72BmFXd | 19:13 |
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| faenil | piggz, so, let's start from the beginning, what's your issue | 19:17 |
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| piggz | no gui loads :) | 19:17 |
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| sledges | `systemctl start user-session@100000.service` works fine here as root | 19:18 |
| sledges | piggz: journalctl -f | 19:18 |
| sledges | and try to launch that command in other window | 19:19 |
| dm8tbr | meh, I always need to chose stuff that is way over my head... but then I want my metawatch to work on Nemo and Sailfish. | 19:19 |
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| * dm8tbr slowly patches his way through qt4.x code | 19:19 | |
| piggz | sledges: nothing .. no logs | 19:19 |
| sledges | ? | 19:19 |
| piggz | there is a message when i logged in | 19:20 |
| sledges | yes | 19:20 |
| piggz | but nothing when trying to start the session | 19:20 |
| piggz | (just a load of batter warnings that are coming every few seconds) | 19:21 |
| sledges | :{ | 19:21 |
| sledges | right | 19:22 |
| sledges | is there /lib/systemd/system/user-session@.service ? | 19:23 |
| piggz | no, there is user@.service | 19:24 |
| piggz | tho | 19:24 |
| sledges | that too | 19:24 |
| piggz | ls /lib/systemd/system/u | 19:24 |
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| piggz | umount.target upower.service usb-moded.service user@.service | 19:24 |
| sledges | bad :D | 19:24 |
| sledges | zypper se nemo-mobile-session-common | 19:24 |
| sledges | installed? | 19:24 |
| piggz | yep | 19:25 |
| sledges | zypper in -f nemo-mobile-session-common | 19:25 |
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| piggz | thx :) i had already checked if it was installed, but didnt try re-instal | 19:26 |
| sledges | it's the package user-session@ belongs to | 19:26 |
| sledges | (you can find out via rpm - | 19:26 |
| sledges | rpm -qf FILE | 19:26 |
| piggz | i know :) | 19:28 |
| piggz | the gui isnt behaving tho...no touch input working... | 19:28 |
| sledges | sailfish really ate up nemo | 19:29 |
| sledges | :) | 19:29 |
| sledges | which dev? | 19:29 |
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| piggz | n950 | 19:31 |
| sledges | nice | 19:31 |
| sledges | reboot? | 19:31 |
| sledges | :) | 19:31 |
| piggz | trying... | 19:31 |
| piggz | yeah, thats fixed it :) | 19:35 |
| sledges | \o/ | 19:36 |
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| piggz | i oughta port something to it i guess ... can qt creator buid and deploy for nemo? | 19:39 |
| sledges | there's nemo target for sailfish sdk | 19:40 |
| sledges | locusf.blogspot.fi/2013/09/adding-armv7hl-target-to-sailfish-sdk.html | 19:40 |
| dm8tbr | latest qtc in theory supports external arm targets, but fails to add them properly | 19:41 |
| dm8tbr | at least last time I tried | 19:41 |
| sledges | same here :)) my goal was to make it at least autocomplete nemo | 19:42 |
| sledges | ml | 19:42 |
| sledges | qml imports | 19:42 |
| sledges | (ah hate US kbd layout after Äworking on GB all week :)) | 19:42 |
| sledges | but cmdline ftw, so qtcreator* efforts subsided :)) | 19:43 |
| sledges | one day (soon TM) when I'll start proper QMLing, would like to have qtdesigner capable of | 19:43 |
| dm8tbr | sledges or anyone, mind helping a Qt/C++ illiterate out? http://pastebin.com/iBQ12i5w | 19:45 |
| dm8tbr | I've been trying to piece it together reading docs and discussions | 19:45 |
| dm8tbr | but seems I have some very basic mistakes in there | 19:45 |
| piggz | dm8tbr: first, looks like the code in the ctor should be in roleNames | 19:47 |
| piggz | roleNames should return a hash containing the names | 19:47 |
| piggz | eg https://github.com/owncloud/News-Qt-App/blob/master/feedsmodel.cpp | 19:48 |
| dm8tbr | while I appreciate an explanation. As I said previously I'm mostly c++ illiterate and would prefer the answer thrown at me. | 19:49 |
| dm8tbr | as it's unlikely I'll ever grok this stuff | 19:49 |
| dm8tbr | mhh, let me look at that feedsmodel.cpp | 19:50 |
| * dm8tbr tries to mimic that | 19:50 | |
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| sledges | like this: http://pastebin.com/GQa10CAB | 19:53 |
| sledges | ? | 19:53 |
| sledges | im still baffled about 'virtual' , as C doesn't have that :)) | 19:53 |
| piggz | virtual just means it is being re-implemented from the base class | 19:54 |
| * dm8tbr treats that all as magic and works himself through the code base one compile error at a time | 19:54 | |
| piggz | that should work | 19:56 |
| special | virtual is a bit more important than that | 19:56 |
| special | the 30-second explanation is: a normal method call is bound at link-time, to the specific memory address of the specific code it will call. virtual methods are bound at runtime, to the implementation in whichever class was instantiated on that object | 19:58 |
| special | or: it's like an invisible function pointer, overridable by subclasses | 19:59 |
| piggz | special: lets not complicate things tho ;) | 19:59 |
| sledges | interesting :) | 19:59 |
| sledges | if you explain all those things in terms of C ;) | 20:00 |
| special | if you want it in terms of C, it literally is an invisible function pointer | 20:00 |
| sledges | oki | 20:02 |
| dm8tbr | yay, it compiles after some messing around | 20:04 |
| dm8tbr | now onto the next compile error | 20:04 |
| dm8tbr | rinse, repeat | 20:04 |
| sledges | eat sleep rave repeat | 20:05 |
| dm8tbr | \o/ | 20:05 |
| faenil | good :) sorry piggz gf videocall in progress :D | 20:06 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, are we doing something tomorrow evening? :) | 20:08 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: sure, why not | 20:09 |
| faenil | :) | 20:09 |
| dm8tbr | come over to herwood forrest | 20:09 |
| dm8tbr | I'll show you around and then treat you to some good whisky for warming up | 20:10 |
| faenil | lol | 20:10 |
| faenil | are you kidding or is that really a place in tampere ?:D | 20:10 |
| sledges | sounds more like harry potter or lotr | 20:12 |
| dm8tbr | Herwood Forrest aka Hervanta | 20:12 |
| sledges | aa so Helsinki airpot name (vanta) means forest too :D | 20:12 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, aaaahhh | 20:13 |
| faenil | that place in the middle of nowhere! | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | yup | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | but we can also come downtown | 20:13 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: that's acutally a fish called Wanda | 20:14 |
| sledges | now that's bizzare | 20:14 |
| sledges | there was a movie called like that | 20:14 |
| sledges | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0095159/ | 20:15 |
| sledges | :D | 20:15 |
| sledges | me mum's name's Vanda, how i remembered | 20:15 |
| sledges | another name for *fish project then? :D | 20:15 |
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| piggz | dm8tbr: having joy? | 22:24 |
| dm8tbr | piggz: stopped for today, got quite far I guess | 22:27 |
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| sledges | time for movie | 23:46 |
| sledges | guess which :D | 23:46 |
| juiceme | sledges, no idea? :) | 23:53 |
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