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| timoha | does nemomobile have working MMS sending and receiving already? | 06:17 |
| timoha | I can see something database handling | 06:18 |
| timoha | but not sure how MMS are sent and received | 06:18 |
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| cxl000 | w00t, Aard could you have a look at https://github.com/nemomobile/ngfd/pull/17 This is another x86_64 build fix. I've preserved the cast to int but think the debug prints of pointer should be cast unsigned long long | 08:01 |
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| alterego | I guess, the N950 is probably the greatest device Nokia ever created then :) | 11:36 |
| stephg | random question | 11:41 |
| stephg | anyone seen a nook HD (or HD+) in person | 11:41 |
| stephg | they seem ridiculously cheap | 11:42 |
| alterego | I have a friend that has one, he seems to like it. | 11:45 |
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| mikhas | never liked the display of that one | 11:47 |
| mikhas | or the fragile HWKB open/close mechanism | 11:47 |
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| gry | Where can I configure whether sounds from calls (the bell and the sounds from the person speaking) come to speaker or earphones? I think something accidentally caused that they go to earphones and I'm not seeing how to reverse that change. | 11:50 |
| gry | They go nowhere when earphones are not plugged in. | 11:50 |
| alterego | What's under /usr/lib/voicecall/plugins ? | 11:52 |
| juiceme | alterego, I would disagree on that... at least N900 owners have a bit different opinion :) | 11:52 |
| alterego | juiceme: I have an N900 too, sure the version on Harmattan N950 wasn't maybe as mature as Fremantle on the N900, | 11:53 |
| alterego | But it is a slick device, and more than capable of being a better N900 ;) | 11:53 |
| alterego | Though without micro SD and CIR | 11:53 |
| juiceme | yes sure but the build quality sucks big time :) | 11:53 |
| alterego | People should just be more careful with their things ;) | 11:54 |
| juiceme | or so I have been told. Never really held one in my hand though. | 11:54 |
| alterego | It feels nice. Not flimsy. | 11:54 |
| alterego | My only real gripe with it is probably the dodgy screen and cellular reception. | 11:55 |
| juiceme | good for you, now dont try to make me jealous as I have weaned myself from the idea of ever seeing one on reality :) | 11:55 |
| alterego | Sorry :) | 11:55 |
| juiceme | yes I have been told the screen develops problems easily | 11:55 |
| juiceme | np :) | 11:55 |
| juiceme | am N9 owner myself, and happy with that as it is | 11:56 |
| alterego | I haven't used mine as much as others' so I don't suffer that issue. I have N9 for development so ... :) | 11:56 |
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| niqt | i have create ks file for n900-wayland https://github.com/niqt/NemomobileWaylandKickStart, but for now i have only blink cursor | 12:02 |
| sledges | nice niqt ! \o/ | 12:03 |
| sledges | blinking cursor is better than kernel panic :) | 12:03 |
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| alterego | People should write software that panics :) | 12:08 |
| gry | alterego: libvoicecall-ngf-plugin.so libvoicecall-playback-manager-plugin.so libvoicecall-telepathy-plugin.so | 12:08 |
| gry | I'm on April version of Nemo, mind.. (just so you don't expect things to be the way they are) | 12:08 |
| alterego | gry: maybe update then ;) | 12:08 |
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| gry | it doesn't boot after updating, typically; the June image available boots in black screen without ssh access.. | 12:09 |
| alterego | Oh, hrm. | 12:09 |
| alterego | Have you tried the wayland image? | 12:10 |
| alterego | It seems to work fine for me. | 12:10 |
| gry | I'd play with it during weekends, right now I'm just trying to keep the thing working for two more days or so | 12:10 |
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| gry | it suddenly stopped making noises | 12:10 |
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| gry | by 'waylang image' do you mean the snapshot which wasn't yet called a 'release'? | 12:11 |
| alterego | gry: yes, but it works okay :P | 12:11 |
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| gry | I'll download that and play with it, thanks. (Right now just trying to figure out what file the sound settings live in.) | 12:13 |
| alterego | Mostly resource policy stuff with pulseaudio routing rules. | 12:13 |
| gry | snapshots/repos or snapshots/images? The latter is old. | 12:13 |
| alterego | Unless the problem is in the software, but I've not encountered any routing issues myself recently. | 12:13 |
| alterego | But my setup isn't exactly standard either. | 12:14 |
| gry | what directory would these rules be in, usually? | 12:14 |
| alterego | /usr/share/pulseaudio/ | 12:15 |
| alterego | I'm hoping it's unlikely to be an issue there. | 12:15 |
| alterego | /usr/share/policy/ | 12:16 |
| alterego | As well holds audio routing configuration. | 12:16 |
| sledges | gry, wayland image has not been officialy built | 12:16 |
| sledges | unofficial: https://www.dropbox.com/s/d1alps0t784e6q5/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-20130903.tar.bz2 | 12:17 |
| sledges | (wayland image) | 12:17 |
| alterego | I think this might be a bug in the playback manager plugin. | 12:18 |
| alterego | "for voicecall" | 12:18 |
| gry | sledges: thank you. it's going to mature a bit before release, or is someone already going to upload that officially any minute? | 12:18 |
| alterego | gry: does it behave the same for consecutive calls? Both inbound and outbound? | 12:18 |
| gry | yes | 12:18 |
| gry | well, no | 12:18 |
| sledges | gry, it's far from maturity | 12:19 |
| sledges | in the sense of "full blown mobile OS" | 12:19 |
| gry | I think I had it make a normal call (ie with sound to speakers) after reboot, then it broke again | 12:19 |
| sledges | but you can perform voice calls :) | 12:19 |
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| alterego | gry: And you don't have headphones plugged in? And you've checked volume levels? | 12:19 |
| sledges | so it will be rolling release with build-your-own-image attitude for quite some time | 12:19 |
| sledges | gry, try latest release | 12:20 |
| sledges | i had issue with voicecall some months ago | 12:20 |
| gry | It did not help that (i) the voicecall interface has buttons to toggle stuff with unchanging image on them (ii) volume level is unclear, as I don't know which color is 0% or 100%. I tried to play with volume levels and that did not change the 'where it sends sound to' behaviour | 12:20 |
| sledges | latest non-wayland (i.e. x11/qt4) release is 20th June | 12:20 |
| gry | (no, sound just goes nowhere without headphones plugged in) | 12:20 |
| gry | ok, I'll try that | 12:21 |
| alterego | The UI does need much love that is true. | 12:21 |
| alterego | That UI was basically hacked in about a week whilst I first started working on voicecall, and little else happened to it since. | 12:22 |
| sledges | gry, the bug i found on 14th June: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-06-14.log.html#t2013-06-14T14:17:00 | 12:22 |
| alterego | It was more a test harness than anything for me really ;) | 12:22 |
| gry | package voicecall-qt5-plugin-resource-policy is not installed | 12:22 |
| alterego | gry: yeah, you don't need that. | 12:23 |
| alterego | During the development the way of handling audio routing changed somewhat, think that has been removed in latest versions. | 12:24 |
| gry | ah, I see what it was now | 12:24 |
| sledges | and here's how it got finally fixed: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-06-14.log.html#t2013-06-14T17:00:15 | 12:24 |
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| alterego | gry: care to enlighten me? :) | 12:27 |
| gry | sledges: voicecall-qt5-plugin-ofono would I need that? (https://pastee.org/7fvbc) | 12:27 |
| sledges | gry, can't remember | 12:28 |
| sledges | trial and error ;) | 12:28 |
| gry | alterego: I was referring to 'yay I get the idea of what sledges's early bug was'; I've not yet figured out current issue) | 12:28 |
| sledges | yes, the remedy for you may or may not work.. | 12:28 |
| sledges | in my case sound was coming out from loudspeaker | 12:29 |
| sledges | (imagine how i got embarrassed when picked up the phone here at the workplace :DD) | 12:29 |
| sledges | and there was no way to change the audio route via buttons | 12:29 |
| gry | I'm not seeing post-July images in snapshots dir for some reason | 12:31 |
| sledges | releases | 12:31 |
| gry | not there either? I was pretty sure june-20 is latest it has | 12:31 |
| sledges | yes | 12:31 |
| sledges | 13:20 < sledges> latest non-wayland (i.e. x11/qt4) release is 20th June | 12:32 |
| sledges | ;) | 12:32 |
| gry | I'm just trying to find wayland thing.. ah right, I'm sleeping already. it's in dropbox. okay. | 12:32 |
| sledges | :) | 12:32 |
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| sledges | remember, wayland is "back to the drawing board" thing ;)) | 12:33 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Wayland_status_matrix | 12:33 |
| mikhas | sledges, " maliit broken so no WPA-key entering possible"? I thought faenil had fixed that? | 12:34 |
| sledges | yes, he had maliit working. if someone could test and confirm is now in the latest image, and not forgotten in faenil's hackery galore, would be great ;) | 12:35 |
| sledges | as I haven't seen any very recent commits to qtwayland (where the fix was) | 12:36 |
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| * sledges haz no n9 here.. | 12:38 | |
| gry | I did this -- https://pastee.org/qqqe4 -- and rebooted; nothing at all appears on incoming call, but sound is okay | 12:40 |
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| gry | don't see how to reverse this action (asking to install voicecall-core voicecall-libs says they're already installed) | 12:40 |
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| sledges | others (-qt5-) provide those | 12:41 |
| gry | yes, and they're installed... no gui appears now, but sound does | 12:42 |
| sledges | voicecall-ui | 12:42 |
| sledges | look for | 12:42 |
| sledges | sound through correct earpiece? | 12:43 |
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| gry | correct behaviour is 'sound through speakers, while earpiece is not plugged in'. incorrect one is 'no sound when earpiece is not plugged in, and sound in earphones when they're plugged in' | 12:44 |
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| alterego | earpeice is the internal speaker, ihf is internal loudspeaker and headset is audio jack output and input ;) | 12:47 |
| gry | hm. voicecall-ui is simply not there. https://pastee.org/xjb8n - if I don't figure it out I'll reinstall it with something, either old image or the dropbox one | 12:47 |
| sledges | voicecall-ui-reference | 12:47 |
| gry | ok, so I've lied in my last line | 12:47 |
| sledges | and it's installed... | 12:47 |
| gry | (it just doesn't want to use internal speakers) | 12:48 |
| sledges | lol so if gui is not there, you cannot answer the call ;) | 12:48 |
| alterego | hmm, where's the playback manager plugin? | 12:49 |
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| jake9xx_ | hello, https://github.com/nemomobile/plymouth-lite/pull/2 waiting, it blocked BOSSbot to accept plymouth-lite in promotion | 12:54 |
| gry | voicecall-ui gives error -- 'module stage.rubyx.voicecall is not installed' | 12:54 |
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| gry | installing 'voicecall' package sort of fixed it, will test in the morning; thanks | 12:57 |
| sledges | g_nite | 12:58 |
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| locusf | sledges: the fix from faenil was a custom shader, which I think only decreases performance, so his fix is probably still pending, while the real issue remains unsolved | 14:17 |
| sledges | locusf, he mentioned Jolla'd fixed this though | 14:18 |
| locusf | might be yes | 14:18 |
| locusf | but the real issue that current wayland image has a qtwayland bug which prevents alpha valued textures from being transparent | 14:18 |
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| sledges | ouch | 14:19 |
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| locusf | (my guess) | 14:21 |
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| locusf | so thats basically the root of the maliit issue, because it uses a top part of entirely alpha'd texture and then renders the bottom part as keyboard | 14:23 |
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| sledges | can't we composit just the bottom part instead? | 14:24 |
| locusf | I dunno | 14:25 |
| sledges | yes, everything sounds very surfacey/bltty.. | 14:26 |
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| w00t | locusf: just go ahead and merge the shader fix for now | 14:37 |
| locusf | w00t: where is it? | 14:37 |
| mikhas | sledges, one could | 14:38 |
| mikhas | but then you'd clip the key magnifier for instance, if used in top row | 14:38 |
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| mikhas | and you wouldn't be able to use fancy drop shadows to indiciate that the VKB "hovers" over the application | 14:38 |
| w00t | locusf: wherever faenil has it :) | 14:38 |
| locusf | I don't have the slightest clue where it is :D | 14:39 |
| sledges | mikhas, too true. and qml injection is not a solution, since maliit should appear on top of anything.. | 14:39 |
| mikhas | I had a fancy windowed solution for Qt4.8 and QGraphicsView | 14:40 |
| mikhas | but QML and dynamic property changes simply doesnt work well together with XWindows | 14:40 |
| mikhas | X11 expects property changes in a slow and ordered fashion | 14:40 |
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| mikhas | i.e., set position only on visible windows | 14:40 |
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| mikhas | I might be able to try that windowed solution with QtWayland at some point | 14:41 |
| mikhas | but my setup is borked | 14:41 |
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| mikhas | the windowed solution avoids compositing entirely | 14:41 |
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| mikhas | but it's kind of a joke if Wayland doesn't get *that* part right ;-) | 14:42 |
| sledges | locusf, w00t none of these ones I gather?.. :{ https://github.com/mikkoharju/qtwayland/commits/show | 14:42 |
| mikhas | also, Wayland's sub-surfaces are supposed to be used, but we'd have to get support for that into QtWayland/QQuickView first, no? | 14:43 |
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| sledges | mikhas, i guess.. | 14:43 |
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| mikhas | so yeah, I kind of support w00t in that you should just commit whatever hack works right now, the right fix probably affects too many components | 14:44 |
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| locusf | faenil says its not ready for merging so lets wait | 14:46 |
| sledges | shucks :) | 14:47 |
| sledges | w00t, pls create qtquickcontrols under nemo:devel:mw | 14:47 |
| sledges | :) | 14:47 |
| sledges | (empty package) | 14:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: shouldn't it better to use webhook ? | 14:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (sorry, I'm arriving on the chan) | 14:49 |
| sledges | is already there | 14:49 |
| sledges | ....... | 14:49 |
| * sledges confused as to when it'd gotten created | 14:50 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then no need to create a package on OBS | 14:50 |
| sledges | one of those days I guess :D | 14:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | webhook do it automatically | 14:50 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, understood that now | 14:50 |
| sledges | got confused with files being as old as "2 weeks ago" | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: hehe :) | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah :D | 14:51 |
| sledges | thanks for the nice blog post Sfiet_Konstantin :) | 14:51 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin is trying to do a Nemo related project at school | 14:51 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (try to give helping hands in UI) | 14:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: :) | 14:52 |
| sledges | s/Sfiet_Konstantin/Sfiet_Konstantin Sfiet_Konstantin :D/ | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: just a story to tell. Found it useful to tell it the day Nokia got bought | 14:52 |
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| sledges | if you remember our one of the first greetings many months ago :)) | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil's story was quite nice | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: yeah :) | 14:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at first I thought you were working for Jolla :P | 14:52 |
| sledges | :)) thanks that's a compliment | 14:53 |
| w00t | sledges: with the webhook already set up, the OBS package will be created when the git repository is tagged | 14:53 |
| sledges | and then Sfiet_Konstantin you started talking with chriadam|away, I remember mediating between the timezones ;D | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: oh yeah | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :O | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually, thanks to you | 14:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you met some people at Jolla, so that nemo-qml-plugin-social got created | 14:54 |
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| sledges | w00t, brilliant. now waiting for all those blocked packages :)) | 14:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: :D | 14:55 |
| w00t | you'll be waiting a few hours probably | 14:56 |
| w00t | new qt build => the world rebuilds | 14:56 |
| sledges | :D | 14:56 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: what's in the new Qt build ? | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | new scene graph ? | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or simply some nice patches ? | 15:01 |
| sledges | https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=_service%3Atar_git%3Aqt5.changes&package=qtbase&project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel&rev=1c5f7aa133781aabc775fc6151ae9bef | 15:01 |
| sledges | was looking right there now | 15:01 |
| sledges | nothing special :D | 15:01 |
| sledges | (sorry special ) | 15:01 |
| sledges | :) | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: thanks :) | 15:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: well, special deserves to be ping. He had chosen his nickname | 15:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: maybe other stuff hidden in qtdeclarative / qtwayland | 15:02 |
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| sledges | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer-boss/%23mer-boss.2013-09-04.log | 15:03 |
| sledges | :) | 15:03 |
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| sledges | and when faenil's qtwayland patch kicks in, the world will rebuild again :) | 15:04 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: naaa, qtWayland isn't much a hard dep | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for a lot of packages ... | 15:08 |
| sledges | i see | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just lipstick IIRC | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but QtCore ... | 15:09 |
| sledges | good to know | 15:09 |
| sledges | :))) | 15:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | everything containing -qt5 is depending on QtCore :D | 15:09 |
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| alterego | autotools -_- | 15:28 |
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| Mric_ | sledges, hey :) | 18:44 |
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| Mric_ | sledges, I'm already one day late but I'm going to try the image you send me yesterday and I will update wiki about the possible fixes :) | 18:45 |
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| NeeDforKill | hi all | 19:04 |
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| locusf | hi | 19:12 |
| NeeDforKill | locusf how it's gone? | 19:13 |
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| locusf | NeeDforKill: all good | 19:15 |
| NeeDforKill | maliit working? | 19:16 |
| locusf | not yet | 19:16 |
| locusf | will wait for faenil to send his PR for patched shader | 19:16 |
| locusf | but the real issue is deep within qtwayland | 19:17 |
| locusf | its a bug which prevents alpha valued textures from being transparent | 19:18 |
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| Mric_ | locusf, ouch .... hope it gets fixed | 19:35 |
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| szopin | helo | 21:56 |
| szopin | niqt: could you tell me what one can do with .ks draft? | 21:57 |
| szopin | sledgeas posted on tmo with no explanation but put you as contact | 21:58 |
| szopin | sorry for out of the blue | 21:58 |
| szopin | wayland testing on N900? | 21:59 |
| niqt | szopin, i created a experimental ks file to build n900 nemoimage with waylant | 22:00 |
| szopin | how can i try it out? | 22:00 |
| szopin | in scratchbox make? | 22:00 |
| szopin | or is this from creating img process? | 22:00 |
| niqt | creating image | 22:01 |
| szopin | there was literally only few buzzwords | 22:01 |
| szopin | thx, good clue | 22:01 |
| niqt | but at moment with this image you can't to do null | 22:01 |
| szopin | oh? | 22:01 |
| niqt | only see blink cursor | 22:01 |
| szopin | no kb interaction? | 22:01 |
| niqt | null | 22:01 |
| szopin | hwkb should i say as jolla is not going to spend money on that | 22:02 |
| szopin | :( | 22:02 |
| wmarone | they could always make a keyboard "other half" | 22:02 |
| szopin | can you interact with it in any way or is it just display test? | 22:02 |
| szopin | or is it blinking as text rendering is not handled yet? | 22:03 |
| niqt | it's display test for now, i hope to run the applications | 22:04 |
| szopin | bash? | 22:04 |
| niqt | only display | 22:04 |
| szopin | how far is it from bash? new drawing lib? | 22:04 |
| szopin | or is it rewriting all there is in X? | 22:05 |
| niqt | My goal is to run qt5 applications | 22:06 |
| szopin | xwayland hopefully will be out soon, xmir is supposedly already | 22:06 |
| szopin | but haven't had the chance to test it | 22:07 |
| special | well, the first approach to look at is if wsegl could be easily adapted to n900, no? | 22:08 |
| szopin | xterm in wayland is all i need from jolla really :) or is mc X dependent? that would hurt | 22:08 |
| special | (which would avoid X entirely) | 22:08 |
| szopin | checking wsegl... | 22:08 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile/ti-omap3-sgx-wayland-wsegl/ | 22:09 |
| szopin | so making sgx drivers work, but for xterm soft is fine or is wayland no tearing banning this? | 22:10 |
| special | not sure I follow. | 22:11 |
| szopin | wsegl plugin for sgx drivers | 22:12 |
| szopin | but you can skip gfx and render with openmesa or something | 22:12 |
| szopin | for xterm it is totally fine | 22:12 |
| szopin | unless you watch star wars ascii | 22:12 |
| szopin | there might be tearing | 22:13 |
| szopin | which wayland gets rid off | 22:13 |
| special | assume software rendering is not an option at all | 22:13 |
| szopin | which wayland gets rid off | 22:13 |
| szopin | so ban soft rendering? | 22:13 |
| szopin | not an option? | 22:13 |
| special | and assume xterm doesn't run under wayland :p | 22:13 |
| special | nemo has fingerterm | 22:13 |
| szopin | or is xwayland going to deliver this? | 22:14 |
| szopin | :) | 22:14 |
| szopin | good enough | 22:14 |
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| szopin | nemo google results: 9 first oceanography, movie about fish, latin word wiki, last option: nemo - mer wiki, we need some positioning from google, they will surely help other open source projects | 22:16 |
| Aard | szopin: wayland sgx currently without vsync -> tearing. no idea if that's fixable, but device is usable (though not production quality) | 22:16 |
| szopin | aard: thanks | 22:17 |
| szopin | and this was the last result on a search coming from a guy who ends on TMO 99% of the time, good work google | 22:18 |
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| Aard | szopin: I have the problem that for those kind of topics I end up finding what I said about it a few months ago when I search for it :/ | 22:20 |
| szopin | google facebooks a lot | 22:20 |
| szopin | i see it all the time, my work has different country outgoing ip | 22:21 |
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| szopin | and google searches are so brillliantly different | 22:21 |
| szopin | like fb favouring telling you about friends with different opinion | 22:21 |
| szopin | or it is just discouraging private googling during work | 22:22 |
| Aard | it got dumbed down a lot. nowadays you usually need to force it to search what you want by putting each word in quotes (and even then it sometimes thinks it's smarter than you) if you want to get any kind of usable results | 22:22 |
| tj___ | hi, probably a stupid question, but where can you get the obs service tar_git mentioned at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Development? | 22:23 |
| Aard | sad thing is, the other search engines are still more crap | 22:23 |
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| szopin | search.lores.eu | 22:26 |
| szopin | fravia lives on :) | 22:30 |
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| szopin | I'm sure he'd have a laugh though: In the second part of his works Fravia explained how the content is structured today on the world wide web and the difficulties of finding relevant information through search engines because of the growing number of ads[11] [12] that search engines promote today. KitKat :D | 22:37 |
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