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| iekku_ | no nemo triage today, there wasn't new bugs yesterday | 02:35 |
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| phako | got some issues while upgrading: http://fpaste.org/30092/56879801/ | 07:33 |
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| phako | manual upgrade of ssu-vendor-data-nemo fixed it | 07:43 |
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| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Are you involved with the transition of Nemo to Qt5/Wayland? | 08:27 |
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| phako | I'm getting a warning/error during installation of timed: http://fpaste.org/30103/75691756/ | 08:36 |
| PMG | phako: does the timed error happen during image creation or regular rpm install? | 08:39 |
| PMG | phako: I created a pull request that fixes this issue during image creation: https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/pull/22 | 08:40 |
| phako | during zypper dup | 08:40 |
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| sledgeSim | Superpelican, what is the question? :) | 09:31 |
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| Superpelican | sledgeSim:What's the state of the transition to Qt5/Wayland of Nemo | 10:12 |
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| sledgeSim | PoC of Nemo+Wayland on N950 is ready | 10:13 |
| sledgeSim | Nemo+Wayland i486 VM | 10:13 |
| sledgeSim | onto which we are porting Qt5 apps to | 10:13 |
| sledgeSim | s/i486 VM/i486 VM is ready/ | 10:13 |
| sledgeSim | apps status: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5PortingCoreApps#Status_of_Qt5_core_apps_ports | 10:13 |
| Superpelican | ah thanks | 10:13 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, more of Wayland status on ARM: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland | 10:15 |
| Superpelican | ok | 10:15 |
| Superpelican | unfortunately I don't own a N9 or N950 | 10:15 |
| sledgeSim | lots of work ahead | 10:15 |
| sledgeSim | quite a lot of it can be done on VM too | 10:15 |
| Superpelican | and my N900 is partly broken | 10:15 |
| sledgeSim | my n9 is broken, but doing what I can on vm for now | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | it can't boot from SD anymore :( | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | the rest of it works though | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | the magnet detecting sensor is broken | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | so it always thinks it's backcover is removed | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:I've tried lots of magnets | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | quite powerful ones too | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | but it doesn't work | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But I am porting Nemo to my tablet | 10:18 |
| sledgeSim | sounds like fun | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:http://superpelicanblog.wordpress.com/porting-mer-corenemo-mobile-to-the-cherry-m1007/ | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | well | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | honestly | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | RPM packaging is getting *really* annoying | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | the kernel-adaptation build just failed again | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-pov_protab2_xxl&project=home%3ASuperpelican%3Ahw-adaptation-pov_protab2_xxl | 10:19 |
| sledgeSim | so? | 10:21 |
| sledgeSim | in your .spec: chmod 644 %{buildroot}/%{_prefix}/src/kernels/%{kernel_version_build}/include/linux/timed_output.h | 10:22 |
| sledgeSim | repeat 9 times (one for each file) | 10:22 |
| sledgeSim | in the >> install post section | 10:22 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | it said the last time | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | that there was a threshold of 1000 points | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | I had 1850 points | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | and I've already fixed lots of them | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | now the whole threshold warning is gone | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | s/warning/error | 10:24 |
| sledgeSim | yes, i speak of errors | 10:25 |
| sledgeSim | not warnings | 10:25 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:If I do chmod -x path/to/* | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | will the directories in path/to also lose their x perm? | 10:32 |
| Superpelican | which is necessary to open them? | 10:33 |
| Superpelican | or does that only apply to files? | 10:33 |
| sledgeSim | to everything what your shell expands the * | 10:34 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:If I put it in the .spec ? | 10:34 |
| sledgeSim | so most cases, directories will suffer too | 10:34 |
| Superpelican | :( | 10:34 |
| Superpelican | then I'll need to do it manually for all the files | 10:34 |
| sledgeSim | I's just 9 lines, c'mon ;) | 10:34 |
| sledgeSim | you just got rid of 850 warning points ;) | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But I lost those 850 warning points with the * wild card | 10:36 |
| Superpelican | that was a dir with only files in it | 10:36 |
| sledgeSim | heheh | 10:36 |
| sledgeSim | yup, then I think you should abandon the project altogether :) | 10:36 |
| sledgeSim | you can go extra hacky: find -type f -exec chmod -x {} \; | 10:37 |
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| Superpelican | sledgeSim:And putting those "chmod -x"s in %prep would be ok? | 10:41 |
| Superpelican | I put them there | 10:42 |
| Superpelican | because I saw there was already a chmod -x there | 10:42 |
| Superpelican | so I thought it'd be ok | 10:42 |
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| sledgeSim | sage's pandaboard chmod -x hack is in %install # >> install post | 10:43 |
| sledgeSim | i'll show you the proper template | 10:43 |
| sledgeSim | also look at all other kernel adaptations out there | 10:43 |
| sledgeSim | this is part of learning process | 10:43 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:my .spec is based on vgrade's | 10:44 |
| Superpelican | from his kernel-adaptation-sunxi project | 10:44 |
| Superpelican | and he had already added a chmod -x in %prep | 10:44 |
| sledgeSim | https://github.com/lbt/mer-kernel-adaptation/blob/master/kernel-adaptation-sample.spec | 10:44 |
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| sledgeSim | as long as it will do the job and your maintainer will "ok" it, go with it | 10:45 |
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| Superpelican | ok | 10:45 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Should I worry about the non-executable script warnings? | 10:46 |
| Superpelican | should I chmod +x them | 10:46 |
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| sledgeSim | it's up to you, how scrupulous you are. my advice: as long as it works, don't touch it | 10:48 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:But what if I suddenly get weird untrackable behaviour during runtime | 10:48 |
| Superpelican | because the kernel can't execute the scripts? | 10:49 |
| sledgeSim | then you start fixing them | 10:49 |
| sledgeSim | once I fixed all possible warnings and glitches, optimised and so on, and introduced a bug which was impossible to find for a long time | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Are the scripts in scripts/ only compile/link/package time scripts? | 10:50 |
| sledgeSim | no idea | 10:50 |
| sledgeSim | step at a time | 10:50 |
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| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Build finally succeeded! :D | 11:01 |
| sledgeSim | \o/ | 11:02 |
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| jmlich | Hi guys, is there some porting guide for migration from qt4 to qt5 ? | 14:55 |
| jmlich | The https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlcalc/pull/11/files looks quite good so far. | 14:56 |
| jmlich | However, I was wondering if there is something better | 14:56 |
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| sledgeSim | jmlich, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5Porting | 15:54 |
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| shmerl | Hi. Is Nemo port to Nexus 7 in the working state at present? Notes on Mer wiki are somewhat vague and there aren't installation instructions there. | 17:02 |
| shmerl | Plasma Active there is too buggy, so I wanted to test Nemo on it. | 17:04 |
| sledgeSim | kulve and rcg were working on n7 | 17:04 |
| sledgeSim | shmerl, nemo is far from daily use as well | 17:05 |
| shmerl | Right, on hw adaptation. That's what's used in PA image. | 17:05 |
| shmerl | I see. PA is just a pain to use atm. | 17:05 |
| sledgeSim | why? | 17:05 |
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| shmerl | Network configuration is broken, and the last workaround with an applet isn't there anymore. | 17:06 |
| kulve | nemo is missing quite a lot as well. Apps etc. | 17:06 |
| shmerl | Plus it doesn't support external keyboard. | 17:06 |
| sledgeSim | ah ok, network config is pretty sad even for development | 17:06 |
| shmerl | (some Xorg configuration is missing may be) | 17:06 |
| kulve | shmerl: there's about 3 persons interested in the n7 so it hasn't made much progress | 17:06 |
| shmerl | The only way I managed to connect it was using USB ethernet card | 17:06 |
| shmerl | kulve: I see. | 17:07 |
| kulve | and I felt that the HA is working quite well, but the UI is lacking | 17:07 |
| shmerl | kulve: If you need some help with testing Nemo on N7 - let me know. | 17:07 |
| sledgeSim | how will it be with wayland on n7 ? | 17:08 |
| shmerl | Or bug fixing for it. | 17:08 |
| kulve | it's not about testing, it's about implementing | 17:08 |
| sledgeSim | when we transition to nemo glacier UI | 17:08 |
| shmerl | Tegra hw adaptation has libEGL, right? | 17:08 |
| kulve | yes | 17:08 |
| shmerl | Should it be enough for Wayland? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | wayland on n7 with libhybris works at least; though the x11 adaptation is also really good | 17:08 |
| shmerl | Or it needs something more? | 17:08 |
| shmerl | Stskeeps: Doesn't Nvidia release glibc EGL for it? | 17:09 |
| kulve | shmerl: it does | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | sure, but libEGL is usually tied to a certain windowing system | 17:09 |
| kulve | but it seems that nemo want to use android | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | (well, the irony is that it abstracts..) | 17:09 |
| shmerl | Ah, so this one is X11 only? | 17:09 |
| shmerl | Sounds weird, right. | 17:09 |
| shmerl | I thought EGL is rather generic | 17:10 |
| kulve | n7 ships with android, so those binaries are also available | 17:10 |
| shmerl | I mean Linux4Tegra releases. | 17:10 |
| Stskeeps | it is, but you still have to pass a window somewhere and no standard way to say "EGL_PLATFORM" = x11,fbdev,etc | 17:10 |
| shmerl | So if you want to use Wayland you need specially tailored EGL release? | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much | 17:11 |
| shmerl | That sucks | 17:11 |
| sledgeSim | crikey | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris gets around that by practically being a wrapper around android libEGL | 17:11 |
| shmerl | There was some movement to enable Tegra 3 support in Linux upstream. Shouldn't that enable Wayland EGL without libhybris? | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | you still need a egl driver :) | 17:12 |
| Stskeeps | matching | 17:12 |
| shmerl | I thought they wanted to open source the whole thing. | 17:13 |
| shmerl | Since Nvidia doesn't prioritize Tegra anymore. | 17:13 |
| Stskeeps | (they don't?) | 17:13 |
| shmerl | They move to new technology matching their desktop chips | 17:13 |
| shmerl | Nope. | 17:13 |
| kulve | that's still tegra | 17:13 |
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| shmerl | Kind of still "tegra" but different chips. | 17:14 |
| shmerl | Much closer to their desktop ones. | 17:14 |
| shmerl | So older drivers will be useless for them as far as I understood | 17:14 |
| kulve | every tegraX needs their own drivers anyway | 17:15 |
| Stskeeps | that said, it should be possible to get an awesome ui on n7 with x11 | 17:15 |
| shmerl | That's why the became so "kind" as to open stuff | 17:15 |
| shmerl | Stskeeps: Possible yes, but there was hope X11 related bugs won't be in the Wayland versions, but there would be new bugs, hehe. | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | probably yes | 17:16 |
| kulve | nemo ks files include support for n7 and it's relatively easy to build the rootfs from there. I just did it during the weekend. Didn't test much but at least it booted to nemo UI | 17:16 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:16 |
| shmerl | kulve: Does it support rotation there? PA doesn't support it by design yet. | 17:17 |
| shmerl | Which is very annoying for e-readers/ | 17:17 |
| shmerl | That's basically what I wanted to use it for mostly. | 17:17 |
| kulve | not properly at least. There's some sort of half-made driver for that | 17:17 |
| shmerl | Plus e-reader in PA is crashing on zoom all the time. | 17:18 |
| shmerl | I only managed to use Nemo's fbreader in PA> | 17:18 |
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| kulve | http://ruedigergad.com/2013/07/22/nexus-7-linux-accelerometer-sensorfw/ | 17:18 |
| shmerl | Ah, that's interesting. | 17:19 |
| sledgeSim | 8) | 17:19 |
| kulve | there are lot of good in n7+nemo but it's just not for end users. Maybe that changes when sailfish hits the shops and some of its apps could be used in nemo as well | 17:22 |
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| shmerl | kulve: Well, if it works better than PA, it might be an improvement for some practical purposes :) | 17:23 |
| kulve | some things works better, some don't :) | 17:23 |
| shmerl | The installation should be similar to PA I guess, except that you need to prepare Nemo image first, right? | 17:24 |
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| kulve | yes | 17:25 |
| shmerl | Did you publish prebuilt images anywhere? I'll make one if they aren't available. | 17:26 |
| kulve | I didn't, too big for me to share | 17:26 |
| kulve | I can give you the .ks though, if you have the sdk | 17:26 |
| shmerl | Ah, OK. Thanks, I have. | 17:26 |
| kulve | building it from nemo's yamls sucks a bit as the sdk seems to still have too old mer-kickstarter | 17:26 |
| shmerl | You can link that on the installation Wiki somewhere if you want | 17:26 |
| kulve | http://tuomas.kulve.fi/tmp/nemo-armv7hl-nexus7-rnd-20130805.ks | 17:28 |
| kulve | sudo mic create fs nemo-armv7hl-nexus7-rnd-20130805.ks -o . --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,FLAVOUR:devel --arch armv7hl --pkgmgr=zypp | 17:28 |
| shmerl | thanks | 17:29 |
| shmerl | That's within the base Mer SDK, right? | 17:29 |
| kulve | yes | 17:30 |
| kulve | if you get it booted up, I'll probably need to repatch the qt-mobility again.. | 17:31 |
| shmerl | OK, I'll give it a try somewhat later. | 17:31 |
| shmerl | If that works we can add that to the wiki as an installation step :) | 17:32 |
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| shmerl | Stskeeps: About Nvidia plans for new mobile GPU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nvidia_Tegra#Logan | 17:39 |
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| Sazius | Hello! - I was thinking of doing something useful with my N950, and wondering what is the status of GPS support on Nemo? | 17:53 |
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| Sazius | The status page talks about some driver already being present, or am I misunderstanding? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950#GPS | 17:53 |
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| Sazius | ... or is this wrong channel to ask? | 18:19 |
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| sledgeSim | hi Sazius, welcome | 18:38 |
| sledgeSim | the status page says there are still quite a bit of unknowns down the gps stack that need to be reverse engineered | 18:39 |
| Sazius | sledgeSim: thanks! | 18:39 |
| Sazius | sledgeSim: ah, sadly GPS in one of the few features that I'd really want to have... and I don't have the skills to help with such low-level stuff :/ | 18:40 |
| sledgeSim | im helping elsewhere i have skills, while waiting for jolla phone with gps :) | 18:42 |
| Sazius | heh :) | 18:42 |
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| Sazius | I just have an N950 lying around and want to use it for something :) | 18:43 |
| Sazius | GPS/openstreetmap device was one idea... I guess I have to rethink that :) | 18:44 |
| sledgeSim | you can code on harmattan | 18:45 |
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| shmerl | I wish I had an extra n950 lying around :) So far I'm using that for everyday purposes and stuck with Harmattan. I'll put Nemo on it after getting Jolla's device. | 18:45 |
| Sazius | well, actually my real phone right now is an old android I got second hand :-) | 18:47 |
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| Sazius | but Nemo on N950 is otherwise more or less usable? e.g. web browsing over Wifi? | 18:56 |
| Sazius | I don't have an extra SIM so GSM/SMS isn't very crucial for me :-) | 18:56 |
| gry | yes | 18:57 |
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| gry | from persoonal experience, a zilion times yes (just wish urls were easier to open from fingerterm) | 18:58 |
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| shmerl | gry: I saw it got some e-mail icon. Is there a working e-mail client already? | 19:01 |
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| Sazius | gry: ah, thanks! I guess I should just try it out and see myself :-) | 19:04 |
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