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| Hurrian | any ex-Nokians here who can tell me what exactly the dfl61 sound SOC drivers in the Harmattan kernel are for? | 07:53 |
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| Hurrian | it seems that they're largely a duplicate of TI's drivers, with bindings added for device tree to recognize the devices on the N9. | 07:54 |
| Hurrian | …which is what the sound SOC driver for the N900 (currently in Mainline) does, with less code | 07:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Hurrian: dfl sounds like device family | 08:27 |
| Hurrian | yep, device family 61 (N9/50?) | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:28 |
| Hurrian | wondering if I can simply reuse TI's driver with the N9 device tree bindings instead of including the old driver code from 2.6.32 | 08:29 |
| Aard | Hurrian: are you looking into the kernel porting? | 08:31 |
| Hurrian | Aard: yep. | 08:31 |
| Aard | nice. you have the links to the bugs in bugzilla? | 08:31 |
| Hurrian | nope, haven't looked at Bugzilla yet. | 08:32 |
| Aard | ok. did you find the 3.5 kernel tree we started? | 08:33 |
| Hurrian | On github? yeah, working upon that code. | 08:33 |
| Aard | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailreporter1=1&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=kalle.jokiniemi%40jollamobile.com&emailtype1=exact | 08:36 |
| Aard | that's the todo-list we had when we stopped working on the 3.5 tree | 08:36 |
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| Hurrian | Aard: got it. I'll start poking around and see what's the easiest bug to fix, for now. | 08:38 |
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| Hurrian | alright, so, looks like volume buttons are hooked up to TWL4030. brb, going to poke around. | 08:40 |
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| Hurrian | Aard: oh, hey, found the volume up/down config buttons for N9. | 09:08 |
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| Hurrian | looks like the problem's related to the missing board configs for rm680 and rm696 peripherals, camera, etc. | 09:08 |
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| diorahman | does nemo use webkit2? | 09:36 |
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| niqt | ping faenil | 09:46 |
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| faenil | o/ | 11:18 |
| faenil | vgrade, did you get any information about that weird launcher behaviour by any chance? | 11:19 |
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| vgrade | faenil: not there as yet | 11:22 |
| faenil | vgrade, alright | 11:22 |
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| faenil | does anyone have any idea why an app could start when using "invoker bla bla" from terminal, but not when tapping on the icon in the launcher? | 11:37 |
| faenil | there isn't even anything logged to journalctl when you tap on the icon | 11:37 |
| Aard | stuff in desktop file wrong? | 11:38 |
| faenil | Aard, like? if I take the same Exec string, and put it in terminal, the app starts | 11:38 |
| Aard | oh. | 11:39 |
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| faenil | I mean, it doesn't make any sense to me, I'm starting to think there's systemd involved in some way | 11:40 |
| faenil | though in that case I should see something in journalctl | 11:40 |
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| faenil | Aard, even if I replace the Exec string with another one from another working desktop file, nothing happens | 11:42 |
| faenil | so it has to be something from the outside preventing that .desktop file to be executed | 11:42 |
| faenil | or something like that | 11:42 |
| Morpog_PC | permissions? | 11:43 |
| vgrade | faenil: nemo user | 11:43 |
| faenil | vgrade, ? | 11:44 |
| vgrade | who owns .desktop | 11:44 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, yeah, that could be it, wonder how that can be screwed though | 11:44 |
| faenil | let's see | 11:44 |
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| faenil | vgrade, they're all owned by root | 11:45 |
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| faenil | and they all have -rw-r--r-- | 11:48 |
| vgrade | do any of the .desktop files work | 11:48 |
| faenil | yep all of them | 11:49 |
| vgrade | except your new one | 11:49 |
| Morpog_PC | and your own one which doesn't work? | 11:49 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, all same permissions and owner | 11:51 |
| faenil | vgrade, correct | 11:51 |
| Morpog_PC | hmm | 11:51 |
| Morpog_PC | so no permissions problem | 11:51 |
| faenil | vgrade, I hear the fan spinning, so something happens | 11:51 |
| faenil | but I don't know what, because nothing is logged to journalctl | 11:51 |
| Morpog_PC | but it doesn't make sense if you exhange the exec string from another working desktop file | 11:52 |
| Morpog_PC | how a bout copy a working desktop file and exchange there the exec string with your app | 11:52 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe some text editor problem? | 11:53 |
| Morpog_PC | text encoding/codepage? | 11:54 |
| Morpog_PC | just guessing into the blue here :) | 11:55 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, ? | 11:58 |
| faenil | copy a working desktop file and rename? | 11:59 |
| Morpog_PC | sure | 11:59 |
| Morpog_PC | rename while copy would be better ;) | 11:59 |
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| faenil | it's a problem with X-Maemo-Method | 12:21 |
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| faenil | how to debug dbus without x11? | 12:33 |
| faenil | dbus-monitor seems to require x11 | 12:33 |
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| LjL | might there be some obvious reason why, after dd'ing the latest N900 "release" image to a microSD card, U-Boot tries to start it when i do "run sdboot", but after a short while (the Nemo logo screen comes up), there's some kernel panic? | 13:10 |
| LjL | at least i think it's a kernel panic | 13:10 |
| teve | LjL: is the back cover closed? | 13:11 |
| LjL | teve: yes | 13:12 |
| LjL | it's possible it's a problem with the SD card itself, since it was a card that failed to work with flashing another device (a Nook Color) | 13:12 |
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| LjL | it booted now O.o no idea what changed. probably the SD card being random. | 13:59 |
| LjL | is it typically *very* slow on the N900? | 13:59 |
| teve | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#The_First_Boot | 14:02 |
| LjL | well, it booted (not even too slowly), but now it's being slow to respond to my touches. also, i don't understand how to exit apps without hitting the Power button :P | 14:03 |
| dm8tbr | I'd leave it to settle for a while | 14:06 |
| dm8tbr | and then reboot it still one or two more times | 14:06 |
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| faenil | o/ | 14:40 |
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| faenil | any way to debug dbus? | 14:52 |
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| rcg | faenil, dbus-monitor? | 15:01 |
| rcg | at least i think it was -monitor :) | 15:02 |
| faenil | rcg, yeah fixed, DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/%I/dbus/user_bus_socket is needed now to run it (on Wayland) | 15:06 |
| rcg | aye, great :) | 15:07 |
| faenil | writing here so that next one will not waste time on it :) | 15:08 |
| rcg | hehe, nice :) | 15:08 |
| faenil | rcg, do you know how X-Maemo-service and -method stuff works for libcontentaction? | 15:09 |
| faenil | or I'll go study on the web :D | 15:09 |
| rcg | faenil, nope, sorry | 15:09 |
| faenil | ok np ;) | 15:09 |
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| faenil | special, ping | 19:01 |
| ajalkane | I have trouble using a daemon in nemo using systemd. I've tried to use contactsd as an example. If I try to install (I'm ssh'd into the machine) as root I get errors such as "Failed to get D-Bus connection: Unable to autolaunch a dbus-daemon without a $DISPLAY for X11" and my daemon is not started. Here's the full output from zypper in: | 19:06 |
| ajalkane | http://pastebin.com/K1FMgxtU | 19:07 |
| ajalkane | As a test I tried also to run (ssh'd in) as nemo user the binary directory, errors ensue: | 19:07 |
| ajalkane | http://pastebin.com/Y94LsD7f | 19:07 |
| ajalkane | If I run the binary from the device (N950 in FingerTerm) it starts | 19:07 |
| ajalkane | Anyone can help me here? | 19:07 |
| faenil | DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/100000/dbus/user_bus_socket | 19:07 |
| faenil | add that when running from ssh | 19:08 |
| ajalkane | Disclaimer: My installed Nemo image is nemo-armv7hl-n950-0.20130411.1.NEMO.2013-04-26.1.tar.bz2 | 19:08 |
| ajalkane | faenil: Did I understand earlier discussion correctly that this is Wayland related? My Nemo version is still X based I think | 19:08 |
| ajalkane | And indeed same problems if I try ssh'd in device to run "[nemo@n950 ~]$ DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/100000/dbus/user_bus_socket /opt/profilematic/bin/profilematicd" | 19:11 |
| faenil | ajalkane, oh alright sorry then | 19:12 |
| faenil | don't know then | 19:12 |
| ajalkane | ok thanks anyway. If anyone has any idea about this problem or can help me, ping me when I'm around or throw e-mail towards me. I'm giving up on it for now. | 19:14 |
| faenil | ajalkane, np | 19:18 |
| faenil | \o/ voicecall-ui ported to QQ2 | 19:18 |
| faenil | now leaving, cya people! :) | 19:18 |
| sledgeSim | awesum faenil | 19:23 |
| sledgeSim | laters | 19:23 |
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| LjL-Alps | wow, must say Nemo feels quite different from Maemo, for being genetically related to it | 22:49 |
| wmarone | it's indirectly related, at best | 22:50 |
| LjL-Alps | it's very slow here on my N900. i wonder if it's the SD card's fault | 22:52 |
| wmarone | unlikely | 22:52 |
| wmarone | nemo is a little heavy for the N900's 256MB of RAM | 22:53 |
| LjL-Alps | hmm, i see | 22:53 |
| * LjL-Alps goes to check "free" | 22:54 | |
| LjL-Alps | by the way, is there anywhere i can read about the interface and environment basics? it took me a while just to find out how to leave an app (and even then, i don't know whether it gets closed :P) | 22:54 |
| wmarone | dunno, Nemo is mostly the middleware and less the UI that you see | 22:55 |
| LjL-Alps | wmarone: ah i'm sure your diagnosis was accurate, i've got a ridiculously small amount of memory free, or even cached | 22:55 |
| LjL-Alps | wmarone: oh? then i have it all wrong i guess. i thought Mer was the middleware, and Nemo Mobile the interface, roughly speaking | 22:55 |
| wmarone | Mer is the platform that provides everything above the kernel up to Xorg (or soon, Wayland) | 22:56 |
| wmarone | libraries, toolkits, etc. | 22:56 |
| wmarone | Nemo goes on top of that, and then you have your UI and other features. what you see is one example, Sailfish is another | 22:56 |
| wmarone | I can't get too specific, I'm a bit behind on the details as of late | 22:57 |
| LjL-Alps | ah... i thought Sailfish was running directly on Mer. what is the one i'm seeing called, then? | 22:57 |
| wmarone | I'm not sure it really has a name | 22:57 |
| wmarone | other than "nemomobile" | 22:58 |
| wmarone | heh | 22:58 |
| LjL-Alps | wait, do you mean "Nemo" is one thing and "Nemo Mobile" another? | 22:58 |
| wmarone | like I said, I'm behind on the details | 22:58 |
| LjL-Alps | ok | 22:58 |
| wmarone | but Sailfish, for instance, replaces the UI you see entirely | 22:59 |
| LjL-Alps | i think Sailfish can't be used on current phones though, is that right? | 22:59 |
| wmarone | mostly because there are no ARM builds yet, IIRC | 22:59 |
| LjL-Alps | oh | 22:59 |
| wmarone | and it is only available under a proprietary license at this time | 22:59 |
| LjL-Alps | aaah. | 22:59 |
| LjL-Alps | i thought everything under the Mer umbrella was very free | 23:00 |
| wmarone | Mer and Nemomobile could, however | 23:00 |
| LjL-Alps | this one for the N900 is completely free at least, i think | 23:00 |
| wmarone | it is | 23:00 |
| wmarone | it's been ported to many devices, usually a matter of adapting a kernel and configuring some details for the hardware | 23:01 |
| LjL-Alps | well it looks promising. i'm not sure i *like* it, compared to Maemo, as from a first impression, Maemo feels more "linuxy"... but that, while a plus for me, is probably a minus in general :P | 23:01 |
| LjL-Alps | hm i thought it was only available for N900/N950/N9 though | 23:01 |
| wmarone | my only experience with Maemo was maemo 5 | 23:01 |
| wmarone | and while it was linuxy, there is always room for improvements in the UI you present | 23:02 |
| LjL-Alps | yeah, that's the last Maemo (that i know of) | 23:02 |
| wmarone | so long as the linuxy bits can be reached | 23:02 |
| wmarone | the N9/N950 could be described as running Maemo 6 | 23:02 |
| wmarone | "official" builds of Nemomobile are available for the N900 and N950. there are unofficial ports to the N9, Nexus 7, and a few other devices | 23:03 |
| LjL-Alps | wmarone: well, the linuxy bits can be reached in Android too, but... i was talking more from a UI point of view, Android and Nemo Mobile feel modelled after an iPhone, while Maemo feels modelled after a mini version of a Debian desktop, or something like this | 23:03 |
| LjL-Alps | interesting | 23:03 |
| wmarone | I worked on a Nook Color port some years ago, and the Acer W510 | 23:03 |
| LjL-Alps | nook color? | 23:03 |
| LjL-Alps | i have a nook color! | 23:03 |
| wmarone | I gave mine away a while back | 23:03 |
| LjL-Alps | well, someone in my family does, anyway :P | 23:03 |
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| wmarone | I got it pretty far, but found no one else who was willing to participate | 23:04 |
| wmarone | LjL-Alps: I would say that maemo 5 had a geeky clunkiness to it | 23:04 |
| wmarone | nothing anyone who was interested in the platform would complain about | 23:05 |
| wmarone | but unsuitable for anyone else | 23:05 |
| LjL-Alps | wmarone: i suppose i agree. i like it, but i'd have a hard time explainig how it works to others... still, i've only had it for a few days (bought a used N900 a few days ago), so i'm still forming an opinion on everything | 23:06 |
| LjL-Alps | i previously have (and still have as my main phone) an Android phone | 23:06 |
| wmarone | ah | 23:06 |
| wmarone | admittedly I'm biased, I'm not much of an Android fan | 23:06 |
| wmarone | even though I owned a Nook Color (rooted, running CM7) and a Nexus 7 | 23:06 |
| wmarone | but my phones went N900->N9 + Geeksphone Peak | 23:07 |
| wmarone | and now I'm in on the Ubuntu Edge (not gonna happen) and waiting to order a Jolla handset | 23:07 |
| wmarone | and hoping that it's possible for a keyboard "other half" | 23:08 |
| LjL-Alps | wmarone, i really really want a phone with a keyboard, since i hate using the virtual ones. and i'd really really like a 100% free device, which Android is unlikely to ever be (even though i don't mind Android itself, technically). so i bought an N900 just because i could... | 23:17 |
| wmarone | yup | 23:17 |
| wmarone | though even the N900 is not 100% free | 23:17 |
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| LjL-Alps | i shun the Ubuntu Edge on the other hand - i shun most things Ubuntu lately, even though i'm currently typing on Ubuntu, and have been an Ubuntu member for years | 23:18 |
| LjL-Alps | wmarone: the N900 is very nonfree with Maemo :( that's part of why Nemo got me excited | 23:18 |
| wmarone | and even Nemo has to deal with binary GPU drivers, possibly others depending on hardware | 23:18 |
| LjL-Alps | oh, i thought it managed to do without on the N900 | 23:20 |
| wmarone | no, the UI would be too slow | 23:20 |
| LjL-Alps | still, i see it has no camera support by default, nor can it tell me how much battery juice i have left | 23:20 |
| LjL-Alps | so i guess a few binary drivers are missing | 23:20 |
| wmarone | yup | 23:21 |
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| LjL-Alps | seriously though... why does everything seem to *absolutely need* 3D GPU's for displaying? | 23:21 |
| LjL-Alps | i remember a time when GUIs rendered fine using very simple graphics cards ;( | 23:21 |
| wmarone | hardware acceleration | 23:22 |
| wmarone | rather than having slow, low power CPUs handle it | 23:22 |
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| Artox | <LjL-Alps> seriously though... why does everything seem to *absolutely need* 3D GPU's for displaying? | 23:32 |
| Artox | \o | 23:32 |
| Artox | I only jsut noticed this conversation | 23:32 |
| Artox | the QT Phone UI by Trolltech did not need harware acceleration | 23:33 |
| Artox | its fast enough without it | 23:33 |
| Artox | just bare framebuffer | 23:33 |
| Artox | it was ccalled qtopia nad the only leftover I know is qtmoko | 23:33 |
| Hurrian | Artox: ARM CPUs aren't particularly known for having cycles to spare | 23:34 |
| Hurrian | needing/notneeding a GPU is all in the drawing API | 23:35 |
| Artox | or in complexity of the UI? | 23:35 |
| Hurrian | iirc Qt can accomodate to either draw things on the GPU or rasterize them on CPU | 23:35 |
| Artox | I can only say that all teh animations it has (which seems to be just scrolling) is working pretty fine | 23:38 |
| LjL-Alps | Artox: i've used Qtopia, with the Familiar distribution on an iPaq 3630, and then later with a Zaurus SL-C860 | 23:39 |
| LjL-Alps | hmm, apparently my Android hotspot doesn't play nice with the N900's wifi under Nemo... connection keeps coming and going :\ | 23:41 |
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