| [ol] | Dam: Most likely back cover not closed properly or back cover sensor malfunction. | 00:01 |
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| faenil | early morning today :D | 05:55 |
| faenil | o/ | 05:55 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 06:00 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, o/ | 06:00 |
| dm8tbr | \o | 06:00 |
| faenil | today is my chance to join nemomobile bug triaging! :D | 06:00 |
| dm8tbr | :) | 06:01 |
| faenil | I usually don't get up this early, if it's not for attending uni lessons :D | 06:01 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 06:04 |
| faenil | back to my wayland stuff :P | 06:05 |
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| faenil | crap :( changing ISP didn't help my connection problems :( | 06:23 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, am I wrong thinking you're the right guy for electrical issues? :D | 06:24 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: well, depends, but ask and you'll find out | 06:25 |
| faenil | well, I've been having disconnection problems for months since I moved to this apartment | 06:26 |
| faenil | and now | 06:26 |
| faenil | I'm not that yesterday evening SNR was 15/14db (which is good) | 06:26 |
| faenil | now it is 5/4...and it keeps disconnecting | 06:27 |
| faenil | now...what am I to do? :( | 06:27 |
| dm8tbr | so, tell me more about this as I'm missing some important details and I don't like guessing. | 06:27 |
| dm8tbr | - ADSL? ADSL2? ADSL2+? | 06:27 |
| dm8tbr | at which level does the disconnect happen? | 06:28 |
| faenil | it should be ADSL+, though it's currently using 8mb profile, so it could be ADSL (maybe because they're still finishing activating processes) | 06:29 |
| faenil | anyway, before switching ISP it was ADSL | 06:29 |
| faenil | with the new ISP it should be ADSL2+ | 06:29 |
| faenil | I'll try to answer the level question: adsl connection drops | 06:30 |
| faenil | adsl led blinking | 06:30 |
| faenil | router loses IP and any connection to the ISP | 06:30 |
| dm8tbr | ok, what modem do you have and what type of technical information does it get you? | 06:31 |
| faenil | I've got 3 wifi router, Netgear/Dlink/blabla | 06:31 |
| faenil | using the blabla one atm | 06:32 |
| dm8tbr | (you're lucky, while I'm not a great expert at many aspects of ADSL, it sounds like this is more of a signal problem and I do understand something about that part) | 06:32 |
| faenil | o/ | 06:32 |
| dm8tbr | the problem occurs with all of them? | 06:32 |
| faenil | yes | 06:32 |
| faenil | and it only occurs at times | 06:32 |
| dm8tbr | this is on phone wiring? | 06:32 |
| faenil | like it is unusable from 15:30 on | 06:33 |
| dm8tbr | is there a statistical significance in when it occurs? | 06:33 |
| faenil | mostly afternoon | 06:33 |
| faenil | late afternoon it's unusable, keeps disconnecting every few seconds | 06:33 |
| faenil | last night I was logged here from 22 to 00 it never disconnected | 06:34 |
| faenil | then all at once it disconnected 3-4times from 00 to 1 | 06:34 |
| dm8tbr | how old is the building you live in? is it purely residential or are there offices shops, workshops? | 06:35 |
| chriadam | raining? is there a junction or line join which could be impacted by moisture? | 06:35 |
| faenil | and when I checked at 22 something, SNR was 14/15 (dl/ul) | 06:35 |
| faenil | chriadam, it rained yesterday, but it hasn't rained in last few weeks, so I guess that's not it | 06:35 |
| dm8tbr | oh it can be | 06:35 |
| dm8tbr | moisture doesn't travel instantly | 06:36 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, pretty old, offices at the base floor (like 2 of them) | 06:36 |
| chriadam | if there was a cellular link involved in the equation, I'd say it'd be when the cellular operator gets overloaded with SMS data. but pure adsl over pots, that's highly unlikely. | 06:36 |
| faenil | sorry shops, not offices | 06:36 |
| dm8tbr | what's pretty old? 20? 40? 60? 100 years? | 06:36 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, it should be from '60s | 06:37 |
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| faenil | don't know if they ever remade the cabling | 06:37 |
| faenil | but my housemates say the problems started few months ago | 06:37 |
| faenil | they didn't have this issue last year | 06:37 |
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| dm8tbr | ok, then please try to think of what has happened in this building and the surrounding area around this time | 06:38 |
| chriadam | did the building have its air conditioning system replaced in teh meantime? | 06:38 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, I wasn't here, so I wouldn't know :/ and they couldn't tell me anything | 06:38 |
| faenil | chriadam, no air conditioning here | 06:38 |
| chriadam | hrm :-/ | 06:38 |
| chriadam | then I have no idea, sorry | 06:38 |
| dm8tbr | ok, what's the exact address? do you know where the BX/DSLAM is housed? | 06:39 |
| faenil | I know there are problems with the elevator being too old, don't know if that can mean something | 06:39 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, yeah wait | 06:39 |
| dm8tbr | does this happen only on this copper pair or are there other users in the building that see the same behaviour/problems? | 06:40 |
| chriadam | faenil: if the power for the elevator motor runs next to the junction box, it might. really dirty power = lots of emf. but only from 15:30 onwards? seems strange, unless the elevator gets a lot of use around that time. | 06:40 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, about 1.7Km from here (via road) | 06:40 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, don't know about other users, I've tried a wifi which is open and accessible from my terrace, and there are no problems with that connection | 06:41 |
| faenil | though I'm not sure that signal is coming from the same building | 06:41 |
| dm8tbr | can you pastebin a traceroute from both to e.g. 8.8.4.4? | 06:41 |
| faenil | even if it's quite likely | 06:41 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, I can confirm modulation is ADSL2+ | 06:42 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, does that help? we're using different isps | 06:42 |
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| dm8tbr | are both ISPs ADSL? | 06:43 |
| chriadam | and you're certain noone is hooking into your loop to make phone calls? ie, hooking up a handset to your copper without an appropriate filter, will cause all sorts of crazy noise in the frequencies used by adsl | 06:43 |
| faenil | yeah, his is probably ADSL, mine is ADSL2+ | 06:44 |
| dm8tbr | or is one using different technology? like cable-tv or WLL or WIMAX or ... | 06:44 |
| faenil | chriadam, how could i know about that :D but it doesn't usually happen | 06:44 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, no cable-tv connection in Italy afaik, and it's not WIMAX | 06:44 |
| dm8tbr | what's connected to the copper in your apartment? how long is the wire in your apartment? where is it routed? are there any CFLs near the path where it is routed? | 06:45 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, I tried detaching all plugs from the main one | 06:45 |
| faenil | and only left the router plugged to it, still same problem | 06:45 |
| dm8tbr | what else was plugged in? | 06:45 |
| faenil | at the moment there's a wireless phone | 06:46 |
| faenil | on another plug | 06:46 |
| faenil | router is on the main one, the one closest to the exit door | 06:46 |
| dm8tbr | where is the ADSL filter installed? | 06:46 |
| faenil | both plugs | 06:47 |
| faenil | mmm my SNR for download is 3.2 atm | 06:48 |
| faenil | it might drop soon :D | 06:48 |
| faenil | wow 0.9 now!! | 06:48 |
| faenil | wth is going on?? | 06:48 |
| faenil | back to 4-5now | 06:48 |
| faenil | now dl is 1.7, up is 11 | 06:49 |
| faenil | lol | 06:49 |
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| faenil | well, it fluctuates quite a lot :) | 06:49 |
| dm8tbr | are you able to log this over time? | 06:49 |
| faenil | keeps going from 0.5 to 5 | 06:49 |
| faenil | mmm router doesn't let me, how could I take the SNR info if not from the web ui? | 06:50 |
| dm8tbr | also does any of the modems provide you with a spectrum read out of the ADSL signals? | 06:50 |
| faenil | Rx Drops Count | 06:51 |
| faenil | 397239 | 06:51 |
| dm8tbr | while true do curl $url >>adsl.log | 06:51 |
| dm8tbr | that's the dropped packet count | 06:51 |
| faenil | yeah | 06:51 |
| faenil | it's what it says in the "statistics" page | 06:51 |
| dm8tbr | are there any CFLs near the path where it is routed? | 06:52 |
| faenil | mm maybe one at the entrance | 06:52 |
| faenil | but it's always off | 06:52 |
| faenil | no it's not cfl | 06:53 |
| dm8tbr | how about the stair case? | 06:53 |
| dm8tbr | any idea how the copper pair is routed in the building? | 06:53 |
| faenil | nope | 06:54 |
| faenil | each floor has 3-4 apartments | 06:54 |
| faenil | on 2 of the 4 sides | 06:54 |
| faenil | 3 of the 4 sides actually | 06:54 |
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| dm8tbr | who owns the copper? telecom italia? | 06:55 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: you might want to try to see what happens if you only use one splitter fwiw, and try both of them | 06:56 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, I'd even go further and detach the branched off wire that goes to the other room | 06:57 |
| dm8tbr | also your router tries to do FUD-security and filters ICMP... meh | 06:58 |
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| iekku_ | nemo bug triage starting | 07:02 |
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| faenil | ... | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> every door has the copper box at its top right | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> (it has the main italian ISP mark on it, so it's phone/adsl box) | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> but I don't know how cables are routed to each door | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> it keeps fluctuating even while the elevator is not being used, fwiw | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> dm8tbr, ul SNR has been stable since the last half an hour...at 11-12, which is not bad | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> while dl keeps going from 1 to 5, for no apparent reason, none is using the elevator | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> -2.0 SNR? wow :D | 07:06 |
| faenil | <faenil> am I still connected? guys? XD | 07:07 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, good morning :) read your message from web's log | 07:07 |
| iekku | hmm, what? | 07:07 |
| faenil | iekku, mm? :) | 07:08 |
| iekku | nothing | 07:08 |
| iekku | just trying to understand your paste :P | 07:08 |
| iekku | no success so far | 07:08 |
| faenil | iekku, :D it's what I wrote while I thought I was online :) | 07:08 |
| faenil | it's an ongoing discussion between me and dm8tbr and chriadam | 07:09 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, I already tried detaching the rest of the copper stuff | 07:09 |
| faenil | and leaving only the main plug connected in the apartment | 07:10 |
| chriadam | only thing I can suggest is: log the activity, over a period of time (say 3 days) then send to isp :-/ | 07:10 |
| faenil | but that didn't help the problem | 07:10 |
| dm8tbr | yeah | 07:10 |
| faenil | chriadam, the previous ISP told me it's all good for them, they can't help | 07:10 |
| faenil | this is what they kept repeating all the times I called them | 07:11 |
| chriadam | at worst they'll say "hire an electrician to diagnose the problem, since our logs show it's not network-side, so it must be on the apartment side" | 07:11 |
| chriadam | oh | 07:11 |
| dm8tbr | I'm reasonably sure there is a high level of intereference | 07:11 |
| chriadam | dang | 07:11 |
| faenil | chriadam, yeah that's what they said | 07:11 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: your best chances would be if you'd be with the ISP who belongs to the company that also owns the wires | 07:11 |
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| dm8tbr | everyone else is trying to cut their cost to a bare minimum | 07:12 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, yeah I know, unfortunately it's not the one giving the best service :D | 07:12 |
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| dm8tbr | and dispatching a technician to diagnose the line means hiring this as a service from the line owning company. And that means being ass-raped for gobs of money. | 07:12 |
| dm8tbr | so they will generally try to weasel out of it | 07:12 |
| faenil | yeah, I know :( | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | if you have phone service you could try to see if there is degraded phone service at the same time as the ADSL problems | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | like line noise, crackle, transients, etc | 07:13 |
| dm8tbr | then you could report a fault to the telco, which is hopefully the line owner and HEAVILY suggest to be put on different copper pairs all the way to the BX | 07:14 |
| chriadam | yeah. especially if it's that old... people could have ripped up the 50 twist to your block with a skidsteer, then repaired it with dodgy joins and stuff. it's pushing 50 years old from what you're saying, so new copper sounds like the trick | 07:16 |
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| faenil | <faenil> my house owner has a building business I think, he has men who do everything, so I guess I should call him (again) and force him into sending an electrician | 07:19 |
| faenil | <faenil> dm8tbr, don't know if it's at the same time, but you can hear clicks and noises on the phone | 07:19 |
| faenil | <faenil> dm8tbr, the phone line is clearly not clean | 07:19 |
| faenil | <faenil> you can hear sudden clicks and noises | 07:19 |
| faenil | and the telco is not the one owning the wires | 07:20 |
| faenil | as they usually offer worse service, at higher price | 07:20 |
| dm8tbr | that sucks | 07:20 |
| dm8tbr | essentially your best chance is to get a different copper pair | 07:20 |
| faenil | which will never happen, great | 07:20 |
| dm8tbr | one brute force way to get it is to get a second line | 07:21 |
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| faenil | dm8tbr, and there's no way they can reuse old copper in that case? :D | 07:21 |
| dm8tbr | the problem is, that the issue is likely with the current line | 07:22 |
| dm8tbr | so switching to one of the other spare (aka 'new') lines is the way to go | 07:22 |
| faenil | ok | 07:22 |
| dm8tbr | one way to force getting one of them is by ordering a new line without cancelling the existing line | 07:22 |
| faenil | don't think the other guys would accept (the cost is quite high iirc) but thanks for the option :) | 07:23 |
| dm8tbr | an intermediate step could be to ask the building owner to transfer you to different line on the in house bundle | 07:23 |
| faenil | mm building owner...ok | 07:23 |
| dm8tbr | as we don't know the source of the line interference it's hard to give you better advice | 07:24 |
| faenil | yeah I understand | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | do you have access to a spectrum analyzer or some sort of SDR? | 07:24 |
| dm8tbr | something that can sample the spectrum from 0-2MHz? | 07:24 |
| faenil | do you think the house owner's electrician minion could help? or does it have to be telco specialist electrician? | 07:24 |
| faenil | I have no tools like that | 07:25 |
| dm8tbr | this is a task an ordinary minion should be able to do. The question is though if any of the junction boxes are sealed | 07:25 |
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| faenil | dm8tbr, you meant junction boxes from the ISP? | 07:32 |
| faenil | (the one top right of each door?) | 07:33 |
| dm8tbr | telephone line | 07:33 |
| dm8tbr | yes | 07:33 |
| faenil | no they're not sealed afaik | 07:33 |
| faenil | just common plastic stuff with screws | 07:33 |
| dm8tbr | then all it needs is someone to switch you to a different pair | 07:34 |
| faenil | are there spare pairs in the boxes like that? | 07:34 |
| dm8tbr | unless the building was wired by utter morons, yes | 07:34 |
| faenil | ehehe don't know what happened since it was built :D | 07:35 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, I'm on the last floor (fwiw), last apartment | 07:35 |
| faenil | I hope they left something for me as well lol | 07:35 |
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| faenil | do you want me to open my telephone box out of the door and get a picture for you? :D | 07:35 |
| dm8tbr | if that's possible, that might help | 07:36 |
| faenil | great, let's see | 07:36 |
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| dm8tbr | try to get a good shot of all the wiring | 07:37 |
| dm8tbr | possibly from several angles | 07:37 |
| faenil | it's a tiny box, like 10x15cm | 07:37 |
| faenil | I'll see what I can do :) | 07:37 |
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| faenil | dm8tbr, mmm 1cm thick cable :( | 07:43 |
| faenil | only 1 cable, thicker than copper (maybe it has more copper lines inside?) | 07:43 |
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| dm8tbr | faenil: btw, triage ongoing ;) | 07:43 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, yeah reading :) can't contribute to bugs as I'm pretty outdated in those regards :D | 07:44 |
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| iekku | guys, netweaver can participate to triage even while driving, you can read description and say your opinion | 07:47 |
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| iekku | and that wasn't ment as a offend | 07:49 |
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| faenil | iekku, oh if that is enough I can then ;) | 07:55 |
| faenil | (sorry connection issues) | 07:55 |
| iekku | :D | 07:55 |
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| fk_lx | iekku: no problem :-) got it | 08:01 |
| iekku | fk_lx, it's easy for you, you are there also :P | 08:01 |
| iekku | but it wasn't ment to offend those who aren't | 08:01 |
| iekku | i would like to see more people participating, but we all have our responsibilities | 08:02 |
| fk_lx | iekku: I understand what you mean, but I'm first time, so for now mostly taking part passively ;-) | 08:02 |
| iekku | :) | 08:03 |
| fk_lx | I'll try to be active next week :-) | 08:04 |
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| faenil | argh, I'm hating this | 08:10 |
| faenil | iekku, is the bug triaging still ongoing? | 08:10 |
| dm8tbr | no | 08:10 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, got some sad pictures | 08:10 |
| dm8tbr | over | 08:10 |
| dm8tbr | k | 08:10 |
| faenil | mmm ok :( | 08:10 |
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| faenil | uploading | 08:15 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, ping | 08:16 |
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| faenil | dm8tbr, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/lmtw3q0pr0rpufs/ho5ag_B_vZ | 08:21 |
| faenil | 230 is the box outside the door | 08:21 |
| faenil | 231 is one box inside my house, close to the door (I guess it's the end of 230's cable) | 08:22 |
| faenil | 234/7/8/9 and 244 is the real copper phone box, inside my home | 08:22 |
| faenil | 240/1/3/5 is another electricity box, which is like 3-4mt left of the phone box (I wanted to check if the phone cable was put together with the rest in that box, but I couldn't see it, and didn't want to move wires :D) | 08:23 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I need fbset for the 32bit right? | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's done in VBoxManager | 08:33 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's done in VBoxManage | 08:33 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, oh it's enough to use that command | 08:41 |
| faenil | win o/ running at 32bit | 08:41 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, is there any way to automate the VBoxManage command? or should I write it on the wiki? | 08:41 |
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| Stskeeps | you need that anyway to set up the VM | 08:42 |
| faenil | yeah well, I was referring to that as well :) | 08:42 |
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| dm8tbr | faenil: btw, that 'outside box' looks like coax, so it's not the phone cable. 231 shows it being terminated, which reinforces that guess. | 08:46 |
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| dm8tbr | so the phone cable comes from somewhere else | 08:46 |
| dm8tbr | also it's only two wires | 08:46 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, yep | 08:46 |
| faenil | the only thing which is at its left is that electric cables box... | 08:47 |
| faenil | which is a mess | 08:47 |
| faenil | I'll try to see in other rooms, if there's anything interesting | 08:47 |
| dm8tbr | if they really ran phone as an uninsulated pare next to power, then all bets are off | 08:47 |
| faenil | ehehe | 08:48 |
| faenil | are many timed-qt5 errors expected in journalctl in the VM? | 08:49 |
| faenil | I haven't changed the MW yet :P | 08:50 |
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| faenil | back :) | 11:28 |
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| faenil | Sage, whenever you have few secs to hit the Merge button :D https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-configs-x86/pull/1 | 11:48 |
| faenil | w00t__, special, Sage, small PR for Wayland update, hope someone can review it, it's small stuff ;) https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/pull/22 | 11:53 |
| faenil | Sage, also, let me know if you want a PR to get rid of the xorg Requires in nemo-mobile-session...I think it'd be easier it yourself from the web UI, but I can do the PR if you believe that's better ;) | 11:55 |
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| faenil | w00t__, thanks man <3 | 11:56 |
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| w00t__ | faenil: :) | 12:06 |
| faenil | w00t__, :) got to wait for Sage now...you guys are damn busy these days :D | 12:07 |
| w00t__ | faenil: I just wasn't around much friday. I'm normally here if you ping me :) | 12:07 |
| faenil | alright ;) it's like you, special, Sage disappeared all at once :D | 12:07 |
| faenil | feels like* | 12:08 |
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| faenil | w00t__, 1) do we still need mthemedaemon for lipstick qt5? there are plenty or errors with the icons | 12:23 |
| faenil | w00t__, 2) can I git tag so that it goes to repo? (I'll do that later though) | 12:24 |
| w00t__ | it's not yet ported/used, so not really -- the problem it addresses is for the time being left unsolved | 12:24 |
| w00t__ | as for 2, yes, go ahead | 12:24 |
| faenil | w00t__, ok so I can get rid of it | 12:25 |
| w00t__ | push a PR and i'll take a look, anyway | 12:25 |
| faenil | a PR for what :) | 12:25 |
| w00t__ | whatever changes you make :-) | 12:26 |
| faenil | no I meant the package itself, mthemedaemon, I wanted to know if I could get rid of it, as I'm building the Qt5/Wayland Nemo VM image | 12:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: well, I'm here | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but busy :( | 12:30 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, np ;) I'm sure you're having fun as well (bastard ehehhe :D) | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 12:31 |
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| piggz | faenil: so, what is it youve fixed? i though qml-compositor worked already? what is the relationship between qml-compositor and lipstik-qt5? | 12:36 |
| faenil | piggz, I'm just trying to make an image which already starts with wayland and qt5 middleware | 12:37 |
| faenil | so that we can build QtQuickControls and Apps on top | 12:37 |
| faenil | piggz, that requires knowing how the boot process works and package management, so that you can replace x11 with wayland compositors, and add the rest on top without incurrint into unhealthy effects :D | 12:38 |
| piggz | ah, ok | 12:39 |
| faenil | that includes researching which packages depend on Qt4 | 12:39 |
| faenil | looking for Qt5 ports of the same middleware | 12:40 |
| faenil | and modifying stuff so that when you have wayland and Qt5 middleware, Nemo still boots :D | 12:40 |
| faenil | and making it easy for people to start developing on Wayland+Qt5 on Nemo, that's what I'm currently doing is about :) | 12:41 |
| faenil | piggz, no luck with n950 wayland yet? | 12:42 |
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| piggz | faenil: no, i havent tried any more....had to make some mods to be my bb10 own-cloud-news client | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: that's a nice job | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | really good :) | 12:44 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, thanks :) I'm learning a looot of stuff :) | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the systemd stuff is nice | 12:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as usual, when I was hacking my iconia tab images, it was the same :) | 12:45 |
| faenil | try pinging w00t__ maybe? he wrote the wiki guide | 12:45 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, :) | 12:45 |
| w00t__ | i didn't do it | 12:45 |
| piggz | faenil: cool, id like it to be easier to develop on, id have a few apps ready in no time .... then, i could potentially preogress onto more core-type apps | 12:45 |
| w00t__ | (sup?) | 12:45 |
| faenil | w00t__, ahah :D piggz can't get wayland to work on n950 | 12:45 |
| faenil | not wayland, his Qt5 app maybe? I don't remember, piggz explain again please :) | 12:46 |
| piggz | i can run the qml-compositor on wayland, and get the blue background, but cant get any apps to show up | 12:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | piggz: what happened when you run one of them ? | 12:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like qmlscene -platform wayland ? | 12:47 |
| piggz | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes, i tried running that, and i get loads of debug output, but nothing on screen .... the output from the compositor says QQMLCompoennet Not ready ; cant assign undefined to targetWidth | 12:48 |
| piggz | or, something alng those line | 12:48 |
| piggz | but, that text is in the wiki, so maybe thats expected | 12:49 |
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| piggz | argh, X crashed right after what i last said | 12:51 |
| w00t__ | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland <- follow those instructions (I removed the other rather incorrect ones) -- if they don't work then I don't offhand know what the problem is | 12:51 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | piggz: display servers don't like you | 12:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | neither X nor wayland | 12:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | piggz: mind pasting the debug trace | 12:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe it contains interesting stuff | 12:54 |
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| piggz | Sfiet_Konstantin: i dont have it to hand, but i think i posted something yesterday, i wonder if its in the logs | 12:55 |
| piggz | Sfiet_Konstantin: damn, i found the paste, but its been removed from paste.kde.org ... i'll get something later | 12:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 13:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 13:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if i'm still online | 13:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because i'm not always here | 13:00 |
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| Aard | do we have somebody here bored enough to look into doing a qml2-port of fingerterm? | 13:20 |
| faenil_ | so, sensorfw-qt5 requires sensorfw, which requires Qt4??? | 13:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil_: it is a non gui application | 13:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I guess it is ok to leave sensorfw | 13:22 |
| faenil_ | yea but I mean, wtf | 13:22 |
| Aard | faenil_: if it's built in nemo:mw -> should be dropped from there | 13:22 |
| faenil_ | qt5 requires something which requires qt5 :D | 13:22 |
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| faenil | qt5 requires something which requires qt4 :D | 13:22 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah both sensorfw and sensorfw-qt5 are in nemo:mw, why? | 13:23 |
| Aard | they should come from mer:qt | 13:23 |
| faenil | oh ok you mean while doing mic, I'll check that | 13:24 |
| faenil | I added mer:qt:devel | 13:24 |
| faenil | so I guess it will take them from there | 13:24 |
| faenil | Aard, but...the one in qt devel has version 0.7.3.2-1.3.2, the one on nemo:mw has 0.7.3.2-6.3 | 13:26 |
| faenil | so it's choosing nemo's one... | 13:27 |
| w00t__ | faenil: https://github.com/mer-packages/sensorfw/commit/0fd2356062d1472106241bd60abc4b078b5deca0 | 13:27 |
| Aard | faenil: the one in nemo:mw should be deleted there by someone with permissions to do so | 13:28 |
| faenil | w00t__, ^ :D | 13:28 |
| faenil | Aard, ok so I'm screwed until someone deletes that :D it's only 1 days older though :P | 13:29 |
| w00t__ | i'll take a look | 13:29 |
| faenil | in any case, I should leave sensorfw in, ok ;) | 13:29 |
| faenil | (and relative qt4 libraries) | 13:29 |
| w00t__ | i'm not quite sure what you're doing with this 'leaving in' stuff | 13:30 |
| w00t__ | packages are pulled in according to what depends on them | 13:30 |
| w00t__ | if nothing depends on a package, it won't be pulled in | 13:30 |
| faenil | w00t__, the thing is I don't which packages HAVE to be there | 13:31 |
| w00t__ | so use rpm -e and see what depends on it | 13:31 |
| faenil | (even if they're not requested) | 13:31 |
| faenil | no you misunderstood | 13:31 |
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| faenil | I mean, I'm building the wayland/qt5 image, I guess there are some packages which have to be there, but are not dependency of any package | 13:32 |
| faenil | to avoid that, I'm taking out all qt4 packages and middleware (using "-" in the ks), and adding qt5 mw | 13:32 |
| w00t__ | those are in patterns, and there should not be many of those at all | 13:32 |
| faenil | w00t__, patterns are still using qt4 stuff | 13:32 |
| faenil | like libcommhistory-tools | 13:32 |
| faenil | while there's a qt5 version | 13:33 |
| faenil | or even lipstick-tools | 13:33 |
| faenil | I don't remember what else | 13:33 |
| faenil | or like meegotouch stuff, we want to get rid of that | 13:34 |
| w00t__ | outside of patterns-apps and patterns-ux, you should not really _need_ to do anything to get a sane image | 13:34 |
| w00t__ | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-ux/nemo-ux.yaml https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-apps/nemo-apps.yaml | 13:34 |
| w00t__ | but anyway, I'll leave you to it I guess | 13:35 |
| faenil | w00t__, well I got rid of apps, as they're all Qt4 | 13:35 |
| w00t__ | exactly | 13:35 |
| w00t__ | remove the apps pattern, chop out most of the ux pattern, and you should have an image that hopefully will get you to (or close to) a UI | 13:35 |
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| faenil | but for example if I only modify the ux pattern, who's going to get rid of Qt4 mw and use Qt5 one? | 13:36 |
| faenil | w00t__, I already have the Wayland compositor booting :) | 13:36 |
| w00t__ | do it when you need to do it, don't do it for the sake of removing it | 13:36 |
| faenil | this was the plan with Stskeeps : get rid of as much of Qt4 as possible, and replace Qt4 mw with Qt5 MW | 13:37 |
| faenil | and that's what I'm doing :) | 13:37 |
| faenil | I already have a working image, which boots to wayland compositor | 13:37 |
| w00t__ | well okay, i'm just having a hard time imagining any real benefit of that work, but it's your time to spend, so if you're happy doing it, great :p | 13:41 |
| w00t__ | as for meegotouch, despite what the ux pattern says, most of it is already gone | 13:42 |
| faenil | w00t__, no wait, if it's not worth it I'm stopping here...I did that as I talked to Stskeeps and it seemed the right thing to do | 13:42 |
| faenil | passing to Wayland and Qt5 middleware | 13:43 |
| w00t__ | the only remaining dependency (which you won't need) is systemui | 13:43 |
| faenil | so that we could happily build QtQuickControls for Glacier and Qt5 apps on top | 13:43 |
| w00t__ | if you've got something that boots to a UI, you already have it | 13:43 |
| faenil | but I don't have Qt5 middleware, do I | 13:44 |
| w00t__ | and that's my whole point: you'll get that when it's required by stuff using it | 13:44 |
| w00t__ | write something which has dependencies on the qt5 packages, and it'll get pulled in | 13:45 |
| faenil | yeah I get that | 13:45 |
| w00t__ | but with applications and UX gone, most of the dependencies to qt4 stuff you have now are either things that are trivial to fix in the future (and thus don't really matter for your work, like the commhistory tools), or things that you can't really fix right now (like sensorfw) | 13:47 |
| faenil | w00t__, alright thanks for opening my eyes, I wasted one day doing this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 13:47 |
| w00t__ | like, on that page you list libqmfmessageserver1 - why was that even on that minimal image? | 13:47 |
| faenil | no idea, I started from the official VM image | 13:48 |
| faenil | those are packages from the full build, not the minimal wayland one | 13:48 |
| w00t__ | same for nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings -- that gets pulled in by qmlsettings, which you won't have if you don't have the apps pattern | 13:49 |
| w00t__ | (along with most of the rest of nemo-qml-plugin-*) | 13:49 |
| faenil | yeah, complete waste of time :( | 13:50 |
| w00t__ | i hope i'm making sense here btw, please tell me if i'm not or if i'm misunderstanding what you're doing | 13:50 |
| aknight | faenil: btw, is there any code for glacier yet? | 13:50 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: nah, you learnt a lot - but i also said to start from working VM image and add on middleware afterwards, it'd make your life easier | 13:50 |
| faenil | w00t__, no you are...I just thought that there was a layer of stuff which had to be there, not just pulled in by other packages | 13:50 |
| w00t__ | there is some, but not much | 13:51 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, and that's what I did, I did compositor VM, and now I'm adding middlware | 13:51 |
| w00t__ | stuff which is pulled in without requirements is in the patterns | 13:51 |
| faenil | aknight, nope | 13:51 |
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| faenil | ( aknight hi btw, how you doing :) ) | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: right, though by that i meant only to include the packages needed to get compositor up :) | 13:51 |
| aknight | faenil: hi :) no major complaints here | 13:51 |
| faenil | w00t__, yeah but how do I know if patterns needs to be edited for Qt5.. | 13:51 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, oh ok :/ | 13:52 |
| w00t__ | faenil: if you have something that boots to your minimal UX, without applications, then you've more or less got a working setup | 13:52 |
| faenil | w00t__, yes I do (with packages built locally) | 13:53 |
| faenil | and I made the PRs to get that working with my .ks, i.e. the PR you accepted, the one for Sage on nemo-configs-x86, and the editing needed on nemo-mobile-session packaging | 13:54 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, well, it's all experience, I'll just get keep the compositor only ks and get rid of the rest :D | 13:54 |
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| faenil | w00t__, then I'll just hope what's in the "qt4" patterns is enough for the Qt5 world | 13:57 |
| w00t__ | faenil: if it isn't you can always change it later :) | 13:57 |
| faenil | oh well yeah | 13:57 |
| aknight | faenil: so is your minimal compositor lipstick based? | 13:57 |
| w00t__ | it's easier to change what you know is broken than trying to anticipate what is going to break before you start | 13:57 |
| faenil | aknight, yeah the lipstick qml compositor by special, it's already in lipstick-colorful-home | 13:58 |
| aknight | faenil: ok, just checking since lipstick pulls in a lot of stuff that isn't required for a barebones compositor | 13:58 |
| faenil | w00t__, oh for sure, but I'm the type of guy who wants things to be as good as possible from the start, instead of going trial and error :) as long as it's sanely possible, of course | 13:58 |
| faenil | aknight, nah we need lipstick-qt5, so there was no point in getting rid of it :D | 13:59 |
| aknight | faenil: i agree (for nemomobile) | 13:59 |
| faenil | aknight, ahahah damn you :P | 13:59 |
| faenil | wasn't Sailfish's HS lipstick-based? | 14:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: it is (slides of vesku at Akademy) | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | damn | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 14:04 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, lol sorry, my connection is a bit upset :D | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: it is (slides of vesku at Akademy) | 14:09 |
| faenil | yeah read it from weblog ;) | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (zbout Jolla HS being lipstick based) | 14:10 |
| faenil | yeah | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah :) | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cool | 14:10 |
| faenil | weblog is my best friend since I moved to this room with this crappy connection :D | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | héhé | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indeed it is useful | 14:10 |
| Dam | hi | 14:24 |
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| Dam | i need some help guys | 14:24 |
| faenil | Dam, shoot | 14:24 |
| Dam | im trying to run nemo on n900 but i got a kernel panic :"not syncing: no init found" when i start it with uboot ... any idea ? | 14:24 |
| faenil | mm never had a n900 myself :/ | 14:25 |
| faenil | w00t__, shouldn't lipstick-qt5 require qt5-plugin-platform-eglfs ? | 14:25 |
| Dam | Mmm... ok but this error isn't usual ? | 14:26 |
| teve | back cover closed? | 14:26 |
| Dam | Mmm nop | 14:27 |
| Dam | trying with cover | 14:28 |
| teve | then close it and retry. | 14:28 |
| Dam | fuck me | 14:29 |
| Dam | i love you | 14:29 |
| faenil | :) | 14:29 |
| Dam | thank you mister teve | 14:29 |
| teve | np | 14:29 |
| Dam | nice loading screen :P | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wtf :O | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why closing backcover solve the issue teve ? | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: it can't access the SD card otherwise | 14:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: :O | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a magnet in there that's used to protect data on the microsd | 14:32 |
| Dam | So why kernel error message isnt more explicit ... | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | so when back cover comes off, it unmounts the sd card very fast, in maemo | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Dam: well it says exactly what is the problem | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | init can't be found :) | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | no such thing as "back cover is off" friendly messages in a kernel | 14:33 |
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| Dam | yep... but i have cry a lot before this tips. | 14:34 |
| Netweaver | all: how to verify if the "sessiond user session" is properly running? I have imported 492 contacts using vcf file in Nemo People app but they don't show up? What needs to be done to update tracker (or other db used at the frontend) to show the new contacts? | 14:34 |
| w00t__ | faenil: the way we've done it inside jolla is to have platform plugin part of the hardware adaptation pattern | 14:36 |
| w00t__ | afair | 14:36 |
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| faenil | ok, so in my case I have to add it ;) (I already added it but after your words I expected lipstick to pull it in :D) | 14:37 |
| faenil | w00t__, what could be pulling lipstick-colorful-home in? tip: it's not in MW :D | 14:37 |
| w00t__ | well, that's one of the cases where patterns are needed | 14:37 |
| w00t__ | since you may want a different platform plugin for different hardware (e.g.) | 14:38 |
| w00t__ | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-ux/nemo-ux.yaml | 14:38 |
| faenil | w00t__, sorry I meant not in UX | 14:38 |
| w00t__ | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-ux/nemo-ux.yaml#L5 rather | 14:38 |
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| w00t__ | hum? | 14:38 |
| faenil | I deleted it from that pattern, and it still comes in :) (it's the only one, so there must be something else requesting the package) | 14:39 |
| w00t__ | is the meegotouch-systemui stuff gone too? | 14:40 |
| faenil | yep | 14:40 |
| faenil | w00t__, https://pastee.org/7mzfq | 14:41 |
| faenil | unless panel-power requires lipstick qt4 | 14:41 |
| w00t__ | meegotouch-systemui is in ux, not mw | 14:41 |
| w00t__ | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-ux/nemo-ux.yaml#L12 those two | 14:41 |
| faenil | yeah I know | 14:42 |
| faenil | don't bother | 14:42 |
| faenil | I deleted stuff from UX pattern | 14:42 |
| faenil | but then commented the mw one in the ks | 14:42 |
| faenil | and name the comment accordingly to my mistake :) | 14:42 |
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| w00t__ | show me your full package list | 14:43 |
| faenil | w00t__, it was what I just said, I got rid of stuff in UX, but then commented the MW pattern in the ks instead of the UX ;) | 14:44 |
| w00t__ | ok | 14:44 |
| Dam | all: how many time take the first NEMO's load to the N900 ? | 14:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Dam: a lot | 14:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wait and see | 14:45 |
| Dam | ok | 14:45 |
| Dam | i will open a beer | 14:46 |
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| Dam | meanwhile do you have some web site or tuto which i can read ? | 14:48 |
| faenil | there's nemomobile wiki | 14:48 |
| faenil | don't know what you need though :) | 14:49 |
| Dam | is a good start point ;-) | 14:53 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, ping | 14:58 |
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| Dam | nemomobile wiki is a nemo section in mer wiki ? | 14:59 |
| faenil | yeah I think so | 15:00 |
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| Dam | UX mean User eXperience ? | 15:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Dam: yes | 15:03 |
| Dam | ok | 15:03 |
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| faenil | testing latest wayland image... | 15:22 |
| * faenil drumrolls | 15:22 | |
| faenil | come on baby come on | 15:22 |
| faenil | yay :) | 15:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 15:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | coool | 15:25 |
| faenil | got to clear some more stuff | 15:25 |
| faenil | w00t__, you said it's okay to get rid of mthemedaemon right? | 15:25 |
| faenil | (it's getting pulled in) | 15:25 |
| w00t__ | faenil: what by? | 15:26 |
| faenil | qt-components and qmlsettings | 15:26 |
| faenil | (qtcomponents only I guess, which is pulled in by qmlsettings, which is not in apps pattern) | 15:27 |
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| w00t__ | just comment the dep out from qtcomponents packaging | 15:27 |
| faenil | or just add -qmlsettings in the ks? | 15:28 |
| w00t__ | qmlsettings will be coming in from meegotouch settings, somewhere, almost certainly | 15:28 |
| w00t__ | as it replaces all of their packages | 15:28 |
| faenil | I deleted all meegotouch* from UX pattern | 15:29 |
| w00t__ | but you'll still need to fix qt-components if you're using lipstick-colorful-home atm | 15:29 |
| w00t__ | https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlsettings/blob/master/rpm/qmlsettings.spec#L28 | 15:29 |
| faenil | w00t__, I'm using lipstick-colorful-home-qt5 | 15:30 |
| faenil | which doesn't require qt4 qt-components I guess | 15:30 |
| faenil | w00t__, you think account-ui is pulling it in? | 15:34 |
| w00t__ | if your pattern includes accounts-ui, then yes, it will | 15:35 |
| w00t__ | qmlsettings replaced accounts-ui | 15:35 |
| faenil | yeah but I can't find accounts-ui in patterns | 15:35 |
| faenil | looking again | 15:35 |
| faenil | w00t__, it's in Apps, which I removed | 15:36 |
| faenil | also meegotouch-contropanel is not installed the current image I made | 15:37 |
| faenil | (which is correct | 15:37 |
| w00t__ | I was showing you the full list of packages it replaces | 15:37 |
| w00t__ | the point being that you can check your list of packages in your ks against that one | 15:37 |
| faenil | yes I got that xD | 15:37 |
| faenil | w00t__, ohhh look, nemo-control-applet-power :P | 15:38 |
| faenil | let's delete that | 15:38 |
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| Dam | i dont know if the nemo' installation is done but i have the message "welcome to emergency mode please presse ^D to entern in normal mode" and i cant press nothing.. maybe i must reboot now ? | 15:43 |
| faenil | w00t__, is nemo-control-panel a dummy (or old?) package? | 15:45 |
| w00t__ | I don't remember off the top of my head | 15:45 |
| faenil | ok, as I can't find it and nemo-control-panel-applets Requires that | 15:46 |
| faenil | but maybe applets were old stuff which was used before qmlsettings? | 15:46 |
| faenil | I've written here some errors I have in the current image...I'm sure most of them are normal/expected, but I'd need your confirmation please...https://pastee.org/uqnra ( w00t__ , special , Stskeeps, who else..) | 15:52 |
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| faenil | most, if not all the errors, are expected stuff I guess, but I'd like to avoid spending time on researching stuff when it's useless :D | 15:54 |
| w00t__ | is this on x86 VM? | 15:55 |
| faenil | yep | 15:55 |
| w00t__ | ignore dsme, and probably pulse for now | 15:55 |
| w00t__ | jusa_: should ohmd be used on non-nokia hardware? | 15:55 |
| faenil | especially timed-qt5 keeps producing errors because it's respawned by systemd | 15:59 |
| faenil | and keeps crashing | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | w00t__: yes | 16:00 |
| Stskeeps | policy daemon, etc | 16:01 |
| w00t__ | mm | 16:01 |
| w00t__ | i seem to remember that it was shoved in hardware adaptation, ok | 16:02 |
| w00t__ | faenil: crashing why | 16:02 |
| faenil | w00t__, read paste :P | 16:02 |
| faenil | aborting, more than crashing | 16:02 |
| w00t__ | hmm | 16:03 |
| w00t__ | not seen that before | 16:04 |
| faenil | it was already on the full image I believe | 16:04 |
| faenil | also many sensord and mce errors | 16:05 |
| faenil | like Jul 22 15:22:51 localhost mce[244]: modules/display.c: backlight_ioctl_default(): ioctl() FBIOBLANK (0) failed on `/dev/fb0'; Invalid argument | 16:05 |
| faenil | Jul 22 15:22:51 localhost mce[244]: tklock.c: tklock_reply_dbus_cb(): D-Bus call to org.nemomobile.lipstick.screenlock.tklock_open failed: The name | 16:05 |
| faenil | org.nemomobile.lipstick was not provided by any .service files | 16:05 |
| faenil | I believe the second one is due to the fact that lipstick wasn't launched yet at that point, though I'm no sure | 16:06 |
| w00t__ | that's saying that you don't have any homescreen running when it tried to talk to it, for some reason | 16:07 |
| faenil | yes, well lipstick is launched afterwards I think | 16:08 |
| Dam | Should i restart the device when nemo installation write : "Welcome to emergency mode, press ^D to enter in normal mode" ? | 16:08 |
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| faenil | Dam, seems like there's no n900 nemo user around :/ | 16:16 |
| Dam | yes indeed... bad for me | 16:19 |
| Netweaver_ | N900 user here :) | 16:20 |
| faenil | Dam, from Dec 2011 -> http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2011-12-30.log.html#t2011-12-30T11:34:35 | 16:21 |
| Netweaver_ | long time ago I booted Nemo first time. But I remember seeing that message before, indeed it turned out to be a bad write | 16:22 |
| Netweaver_ | sometimes had to reformat using the Panasonic SD card formatter to get the card back usable again | 16:23 |
| Dam | erf | 16:23 |
| Dam | bad news | 16:23 |
| Dam | thank you i will formatter again | 16:23 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, do you think we need this? http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob_plain;f=patterns/mer-minimal-xorg.yaml;hb=master | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | no | 16:37 |
| faenil | ok | 16:37 |
| faenil | but we need the many libX, right? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | it'll get included if it's needed | 16:38 |
| faenil | there are many installed atm, I'll see what pulls them in ;) all the xorg-drv as well | 16:38 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, are the xorg-drv-mouse/keyboard needed for example? | 16:44 |
| faenil | I checked the libX stuff, they're needed for the (remaining) Qt4 libs | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | no | 16:45 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, ok, so I can strip xorg stuff from here? https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-x86-common/x86-vm-support.yaml | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:47 |
| faenil | great | 16:47 |
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| faenil | yesss | 17:09 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, done :) I think ks is ready | 17:10 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, though I think there's no sense in publishing it until the PRs needed to make it build are not accepted | 17:14 |
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| Stskeeps | can i see .ks? | 17:19 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, sure ;) https://pastee.org/v7gw2 | 17:22 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, feedback? | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | looks surprisingily good | 17:27 |
| faenil | great :) | 17:27 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, want to have a look at the list of packages? | 17:27 |
| faenil | (the one generated by mic) | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 17:28 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, https://pastee.org/zwvd8 | 17:29 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: what pulls in qtcore4? | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -e libqtcore4 on the image | 17:31 |
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| faenil | I have written it down ;) | 17:31 |
| faenil | contextkit and tracker | 17:31 |
| faenil | few more | 17:31 |
| faenil | sensorfw, libdbus | 17:32 |
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| faenil | and mlite, which is needed by contextkit-plugin-upower | 17:32 |
| faenil | libqtdbus I meant sorry* (and few other libqt*s which are pulled in by the usual contextkit, tracker...) | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:33 |
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| faenil | how can I check if maliit is working properly? | 18:03 |
| special | in what sense | 18:03 |
| faenil | special, hey :) | 18:03 |
| special | hi | 18:03 |
| faenil | special, well, journalctl reports FATAL: Failed to load platform plugin "xcb". Available platforms are: | 18:04 |
| faenil | so I guess it didn't start | 18:04 |
| faenil | then I run EGL_PLATFORM=fbdev QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEPTH=32 /usr/bin/maliit-server -platform eglfs | 18:04 |
| faenil | and I get | 18:04 |
| faenil | maliit-server: already running | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, no, you'll want =wayland and -platform wayland | 18:04 |
| special | you want wayland | 18:04 |
| special | only the compositor (lipstick) runs eglfs | 18:05 |
| faenil | yeah but in any case, journalctl says it couldn't start | 18:05 |
| faenil | then I try something else, and it's already running | 18:06 |
| faenil | the .service file for it doesn't have any platform parameter passing | 18:06 |
| special | it can be dbus-launched as well | 18:06 |
| faenil | checked from here | 18:06 |
| faenil | https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=maliit-framework-wayland&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw | 18:06 |
| special | check /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ | 18:07 |
| faenil | special, it's there, but still no platform parameter | 18:07 |
| faenil | Exec=/usr/bin/maliit-server | 18:08 |
| Stskeeps | platform comes from the conf files | 18:08 |
| special | QT_QPA_PLATFORM=wayland should be set from somewhere, yeah. | 18:09 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, doesn't that require having EnvFile in the .service? | 18:10 |
| special | as part of the session environment, under /var/lib/environment | 18:11 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: you'll have that in the user-session@ file | 18:11 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, you mean the maliit-server.service in user-session.target.wants directory | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | no | 18:15 |
| Stskeeps | EnvironmentFile in /lib/systemd/system/user-session@.service | 18:16 |
| faenil | yea found it | 18:16 |
| Stskeeps | will transfer to everything running in user session | 18:16 |
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| faenil | didn't know I could do that | 18:16 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 18:16 |
| faenil | then why is it giving error at startup? :D | 18:16 |
| jusa_ | w00t__: yes, like Stskeeps already said | 18:18 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#382 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/382 | 18:29 |
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| piggz | Sfiet_Konstantin: output from QML Compositor https://pastee.org/h56tv .......... output from QMLScene https://pastee.org/v6r5k | 18:48 |
| piggz | w00t__: ^ | 18:48 |
| vgrade | piggz: do you get same result from running command from /home/nemo/minimer | 18:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sounds strange | 18:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | vgrade: what about just launching qmlscene | 18:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | without anything ? | 18:58 |
| piggz | ha, there is no /home/nemo/minimer | 18:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | piggz: :P | 18:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but what happens if you just launch qmlscene, should be ok | 19:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | something should be displayed | 19:00 |
| piggz | nope, ive tried with nothing, and an existing qml file that i found, neither display anything | 19:00 |
| w00t__ | "file:///usr/lib/qt5/examples/qtwayland/qml-compositor/main.qml:90: TypeError: Cannot set property 'targetWidth' of null | 19:01 |
| w00t__ | " | 19:01 |
| w00t__ | debug and fix that | 19:01 |
| piggz | w00t__: i presume that occurs becuase of the line above | 19:01 |
| piggz | the component isnt ready | 19:01 |
| w00t__ | perhaps, i don't know | 19:01 |
| w00t__ | but that's almost certainly why it's not working | 19:01 |
| vgrade | piggz: after launching qml-compositor do you have the a pale blue background with white pattern | 19:05 |
| piggz | vgrade: yes, with a little mouse pointer in the corner | 19:05 |
| piggz | i will try editing the compositor so that it creates the compoenent when ready like in http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtqml/qqmlcomponent.html | 19:07 |
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| Dam | try to disable the "flight mode" but i cant ?! knew bug ? | 19:18 |
| piggz | \o/ | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | piggz: oh? | 19:19 |
| piggz | Stskeeps: https://twitter.com/adampigg/status/359392808907464704/photo/1 | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | piggz: congrats :) | 19:22 |
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| Dam | Some user on N900 ? | 19:24 |
| piggz | Stskeeps: i didnt fix it very well, but it is related to the component not being ready ... i actually added some logging just before the object creation, but it had a syntax error ... displaying the error gave the component time to load! | 19:24 |
| vgrade | piggz: just the ticket, keyboard control | 19:28 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#383 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/383 | 21:05 |
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