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| vakkov | i have some problems with the latest release of nemo ... it just does not start, after the nemo logo the screen remains black | 04:09 |
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| vakkov | and i have to pull the battery out | 04:11 |
| vakkov | and on the next attempt it shows kernel panic | 04:11 |
| araujo | vakkov, n900? | 04:18 |
| vakkov | yep | 05:10 |
| vakkov | never happened with previous releases | 05:11 |
| araujo | vakkov, did you check for file corruption? (MANIFEST values) | 05:12 |
| araujo | and by the way, I used to have a similar problem like that in some previous images... after several tries, it booted up fine ... | 05:13 |
| araujo | the last image works fine for me | 05:13 |
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| xruxa | hmmm, zypper ref would not work while USB cable plugged in, trying to use usb0 over wlan0 | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | route -n ? | 08:54 |
| xruxa | Actually I ran "zypper update" which triggered the refresh first time. Works on second try | 08:57 |
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| lardman | morning chaps | 10:02 |
| lardman | a slightly belated Merry Christmas to all | 10:02 |
| lardman | anyone know anything about the GPS? | 10:02 |
| lardman | I'm thinking of the one in the N950 (Broadcom BCM4751) and wondering if it requires CPU-side processing, and wondering how the communication protocol is specified, whether that's built into some firmware that it presumably loads? | 10:08 |
| lardman | Noting this: https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/8/26/99 | 10:09 |
| lardman | and I see a patch was submitted to Meego for the device | 10:09 |
| xruxa | Stskeeps: happened again with the usb0 and not working zypper update: http://pastie.org/3095149 | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | lardman: it's done by a daemon :/ | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | and i don't have any details on it | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | xruxa: seems like default gateway is being set to the usb yes | 10:27 |
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| lardman | Stskeeps: ah ok, some reverse engineering then :) | 11:15 |
| lardman | nice to have a working Linux device with the same chipset as the Tab :) | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:18 |
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| ukl | hello. Just a small issue, it could be added that ctrl+t gets dd to spit out status information to the install process description | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | ah, nice | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | i usually use cat and pv | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | feel free to edit wiki | 11:22 |
| ukl | I would but i can't. logged in users only? | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:23 |
| ukl | ok | 11:23 |
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| ukl | ugh, these captchas are quite hard | 11:23 |
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| faenil | hey peopleee | 11:27 |
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| ukl | hmm booting the recent nemo image on n900 somehow failed... | 11:34 |
| ukl | I end up with "Welcome to emergency mode. Use 'systemctl default' or ^D to activate default mode." but it doesn't react on keyboard input | 11:35 |
| ukl | what to do? | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | that sounds like a bad write to me | 11:35 |
| ukl | ok | 11:35 |
| ukl | it's preceded by systemd-fsck lines, indeed. | 11:36 |
| ukl | but how can I turn it off? | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | battery pull? | 11:36 |
| ukl | ok | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | make sure your sd card isn't automatically mounted by your pc when you write | 11:36 |
| ukl | I'm sure about this, but there were some "autosense failed" lines in dmesg... | 11:37 |
| ukl | I'll try again later. | 11:39 |
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| veskuh_ | Just wrote Hello World article to Nemo wiki about getting started with QtSDK, please fix and improve: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK | 14:54 |
| w00t | :) | 14:54 |
| faenil | :) | 14:55 |
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| Anssi138 | :) | 15:21 |
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| alien_ | veskuh_: nice, but can't qtcreator work with the Nemo device through MAD? | 15:27 |
| alien_ | so you don't need to copy stuff by hand and so on | 15:28 |
| alien_ | and then you might get debugging work out of the box | 15:28 |
| veskuh_ | alien_: if you figure it out how that would work, then great. So far I haven't succeeded. | 15:28 |
| alien_ | I will try to reproduce your stuff then give it a try | 15:29 |
| veskuh_ | Nice. I do not know how MAD works, so it really might be possible with it. | 15:30 |
| alien_ | just install it inside the Nemo image and try to connect qtcreator to it | 15:33 |
| alien_ | it might work out of the box | 15:33 |
| alien_ | I would also like to be able to have the qtcreator integrate with my local i586 Mer toolchain and use my Nemo i586 virtual machine running in Virtualbox | 15:34 |
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| alien_ | because it's much faster than running an ARM VM inside qemu | 15:34 |
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| beford | MAD is included with Nemo | 15:41 |
| beford | not sure if it works :P | 15:41 |
| faenil | how difficult would it be to get Nemo working on an Android tablet? :) | 15:54 |
| faenil | Omap 4430 | 15:54 |
| vakkov | xase and wmarone are trying to get mer on nook-book | 15:56 |
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| wmarone | #nook-boot | 16:04 |
| the-boss | wmarone: Error: "nook-boot" is not a valid command. | 16:04 |
| wmarone | faenil: omap and tegra 2 based designs seem to be the most viable right now | 16:05 |
| wmarone | simply due to available GPU drivers | 16:06 |
| faenil | ok thanks :) | 16:08 |
| faenil | I was told it should be easy | 16:08 |
| wmarone | should, no guarantees | 16:08 |
| faenil | but I have never worked on this type of porting... | 16:08 |
| wmarone | the nook color should have been easy, but it's been a minor painin my ass | 16:08 |
| wmarone | same | 16:08 |
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| faenil | I see... | 16:08 |
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| faenil | I have just bought the Archos G9 101 to work on my thesis, and I thought I could have been trying to get Nemo on it starting from February... | 16:10 |
| macmaN | yo yo | 16:10 |
| macmaN | did you already get Mer to boot on it? where did you buy it | 16:10 |
| faenil | no I did not :) | 16:10 |
| faenil | I bought it used, but it's selling for 250€ new in a supermarket here | 16:11 |
| faenil | but I can test if anyone has time to work on the Mer port :) | 16:12 |
| faenil | I don't atm, working on my thesis + studying for an exam | 16:12 |
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| macmaN | faenil: i thought basyskom already did the work | 16:30 |
| macmaN | http://share.basyskom.com/contour/Deployment/mer_arm_install_archive/archos-generation-9/ | 16:30 |
| faenil | that's great! :D | 16:30 |
| faenil | I didn't know about that :D | 16:34 |
| faenil | I'm a lucky guy then xD | 16:34 |
| faenil | macmaN: you made my day :D | 16:36 |
| macmaN | heh | 16:36 |
| macmaN | i thought that was the reason you bought it in the first place | 16:36 |
| macmaN | but /hilight archos ftw either way :> | 16:36 |
| macmaN | ive been swamped with other stuffs, havent been able to even find a good place to buy one myself | 16:37 |
| macmaN | or look into details of how far this port is | 16:37 |
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| alien_ | MRmi::invoke(): "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Connection refused" "/home/meego/.mabstractdecorator" | 16:55 |
| alien_ | any ideas what program should listen on this pipe? | 16:56 |
| macmaN | never seen. googlz? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: compositor | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: / mdecorator | 16:56 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: I'm still trying to debug that mcompositor issue on my virtual machine | 16:59 |
| alien_ | and I saw that in the xsession-errors | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: if you want my bet, get eglinfo.c, and look at the extensions listed, and the extensions that compositor will look for | 17:00 |
| alien_ | thanks | 17:00 |
| alien_ | will take a look there | 17:00 |
| alien_ | I am running eglinfo and I get this output: http://fpaste.org/JbGX/ | 17:06 |
| alien_ | well, that's the top of the output | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes, now look at mcompositor source | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: btw, since i just connected who you are and the linkedin request i just got :) visited cluj twice, in 1999 and in 2004, quite nice city | 17:08 |
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| alien_ | thanks | 17:10 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: I moved to Berlin 3 months ago | 17:26 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: i've yet to visit berlin | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | even though there's a direct train here from warsaw (i used to live in denmark) | 17:28 |
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| faenil | macmaN: I would have bought the Archos if I had known about the port :D | 17:36 |
| faenil | but I bought it because I need it for my uni thesis :) and now the news about the port, this is just great :D | 17:36 |
| chouchoune | faenil: did you look at the "unofficial" SDE trick for Archos G9 ? | 17:45 |
| chouchoune | (I bought one too, actually a G9 80 Turbo) | 17:45 |
| faenil | yes | 17:45 |
| faenil | not rooted yet though :) | 17:46 |
| chouchoune | ok ;) | 17:46 |
| faenil | wiped and installed latest fw last night | 17:46 |
| faenil | chouchoune: my 101 has a bit of screen defect, the one 80 is famous for | 17:46 |
| chouchoune | I'm thinking of waiting for the official SDE or using the unofficial method right now | 17:46 |
| faenil | chouchoune: I'm wondering why there's no official SDE yet... | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | because it's kinda going to be mer+plasma active.. | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:47 |
| chouchoune | a friend of mine working at Archos told me "it's coming" | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | (at least, that's what i've heard) | 17:47 |
| chouchoune | Stskeeps: they will replace Angstorm with Mer+Plasma Active ? | 17:48 |
| chouchoune | Angstrom | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | well, one direction i guess | 17:48 |
| Stskeeps | PA is more of a tablet thing isn't it | 17:48 |
| chouchoune | yes, of course | 17:48 |
| chouchoune | my friend from Archos didn't tell me that !!! | 17:49 |
| chouchoune | that would be great ! | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if it's really official, but at least that's the kind of work i've seen | 17:49 |
| chouchoune | ok, good to know | 17:49 |
| faenil | mmm :D | 17:51 |
| faenil | chouchoune: ask ask ask, try to get more info about how soon it is :D | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | the kernels are already out AFAIK but there's difficulties with GLES | 17:52 |
| faenil | Oh.. | 17:53 |
| faenil | well we should be able to test those mer images.. | 17:53 |
| chouchoune | faenil: already asked ;) Waiting for his reply when he will connect to IRC ;) | 17:56 |
| faenil | chouchoune: yey :D | 17:57 |
| chouchoune | he's quite nez to Archos, so he may not know exactly all the plans and how it works | 17:58 |
| faenil | I see.. | 17:58 |
| faenil | well, better than nothing :D | 17:58 |
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| alien_ | Stskeeps: it seems mesa gallium egl lacks EGL_KHR_image_pixmap and EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2D_image | 20:07 |
| w00t | alien_: what about it? | 20:09 |
| w00t | well, EGL_KHR_image_pixmap might be a problem | 20:10 |
| alien_ | w00t: their absence breaks nemo mcompositor when running inside a VM with gallium 3D drivers | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: what does eglplatform say with export EGL_PLATFORM=x11 | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | er, eglinfo | 20:11 |
| w00t | alien_: EGL_KHR_gl_texture_2D_image won't, if you're running nemo's mcompositor | 20:11 |
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| w00t | though, it shouldn't *break* anyway | 20:12 |
| w00t | there is a fallback | 20:12 |
| alien_ | w00t: no idea, I just checked the latest mcompositor code from git | 20:12 |
| w00t | alien_: we patch it | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | https://www.libreoffice.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=32678 | 20:12 |
| alien_ | will check the patches | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | urgh | 20:12 |
| w00t | (texture_2D_image isn't actually needed) | 20:12 |
| alien_ | but gallium lacks them both | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32678 | 20:12 |
| alien_ | thanks Stskeeps | 20:13 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: http://cgit.freedesktop.org/mesa/mesa/commit/?id=9373447a614e7b401919328b589b5f2607e456fd | 20:13 |
| w00t | (relevant? dunno, just found in search) | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: yes, for native buffers | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | which isn't available for llvmpipe it seems | 20:14 |
| alien_ | I'll talk to the mesa guys about this | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | so close to something sane.. | 20:15 |
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| alien_ | the funny thing is that the full OpenGL has GLX_EXT_texture_from_pixmap | 20:26 |
| alien_ | on the same llvmpipe gallium3d | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's a bit odd yes | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's all wired up already but just that check is broken | 20:28 |
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| norayr | am I right that Harmattan kernel is open, drivers are available, and theoretically it is possible to recompile the kernul and get rid of aegis? | 20:33 |
| alien_ | norayr: you can | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | harmattan may break, but we're in #nemomobile here, so we don't care ;) | 20:36 |
| norayr | fine. I am still seciding whether it worth to get n9 as a hacker device. | 20:37 |
| Stskeeps | hw's quite nice | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | though on kernel version upstreaming it's a bit behind | 20:38 |
| norayr | if drivers are available, the it's possible to have n9 hardware adaptation | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | GPS and NFC are sadly off limits, at least | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | we already have nemo running on n9, it's not that | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | just some parts are not likely to get published ever | 20:41 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: maybe we just need to insist more | 20:43 |
| faenil | ever? :o | 20:43 |
| alien_ | from http://www.khronos.org/registry/egl/extensions/KHR/EGL_KHR_image.txt :Rewritten in terms of split functionality in KHR_image_base and KHR_image_pixmap | 20:44 |
| norayr | but on n950 and n900 you have full hardware support? | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | n900 is pretty well | 20:44 |
| alien_ | norayr: N950 is the same as N9 | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | n950 is same situation as n9 generally | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | alien_: i kinda doubt we'll see NPE public and redistributable | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | theoretically you can code something against the BCM chip in there using specificatins, but that's not on my table.. | 20:45 |
| alien_ | Stskeeps: shouldn't the drivers be public for that too? | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | kernel driver is but protocol you have to sign an online NDA for | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | from earlier: https://lkml.org/lkml/2010/8/26/99 | 20:46 |
| alien_ | but does that DNA forbid you to create open source software for it? | 20:47 |
| alien_ | I happen to work for Nokia, so I already have a NDA signed | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | that's a good question, it's a bit hazy | 20:48 |
| alien_ | but no idea if that is enough for getting that information | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | seems like it might be okay for write a impl using that specification | 20:50 |
| alien_ | ok, I'll see what I can do | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be curious to see if people can get NPE working on nemo, due to the gentleman agreement that we can move around binaries for hacking purpose | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | s | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | we had some initial work done before most of our team was let go, so | 20:51 |
| phaeron | alien_: you work for Nokia ? | 20:56 |
| alien_ | phaeron: yes, but not as developer | 20:57 |
| phaeron | just that you were interested in that OBS stuff . | 20:57 |
| alien_ | I am a syseng/devops in the Location branch | 20:57 |
| alien_ | I maintain Public transit backend and Mobile HTML5 Maps frontend | 20:58 |
| phaeron | oh secret stuff :D | 20:59 |
| alien_ | not really | 21:00 |
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| faenil | guys can you explain one thing to me? | 21:49 |
| faenil | how can a debugger help if it doesn't even have time to start, that the application has already crashed? | 21:50 |
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| faenil | should breakpoints stop it before crashing? | 21:50 |
| faenil | shouldn't * | 21:50 |
| w00t | debuggers can generally also start applications as well as attach at runtime | 21:51 |
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| faenil | yes.. | 21:53 |
| faenil | I'd like it to start before the app...otherwise I can't see why it crashes... | 21:53 |
| faenil | Qt Creator is still in "Launching..." | 21:56 |
| faenil | and my app has already crashed...-.- | 21:56 |
| norayr | which addressbook used in nemo: meego one or harmattan one? | 22:12 |
| norayr | does it have contacts integration like in fremantle? | 22:13 |
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