| lbt | ok | 00:00 |
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| lbt | yeah - no obvious issues for me | 00:02 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7767 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7767 | 00:11 |
| lbt | (which doesn't mean commit it :) ) | 00:11 |
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| iekku | morning | 05:38 |
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| kulve | sledges: I am | 06:05 |
| kulve | and last time I tried, the nemo complete pattern didn't work with the mic in the SDK | 06:05 |
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| sampos | Aard: http://pastie.org/5955921 just when it hangs | 07:24 |
| sampos | next we get DISABLE event from usb, and then it slowly recovers | 07:24 |
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| sampos | Aard: the bulkreaderthread locks itself x) - tryLock() .. lock() | 08:32 |
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| Aard | sampos: I'm currently staring at that method and don't understand it :) | 08:37 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7768 Rejected promotion request | 08:41 |
| sampos | the way i see it: if it get's the lock from tryLock() it ends up in deadlock. The mutex is non-recursive | 08:42 |
| Aard | ah, there. 'Calling this function multiple times on the same mutex from the same thread is allowed if this mutex is a recursive mutex. If this mutex is a non-recursive mutex, this function will dead-lock when the mutex is locked recursively.' | 08:42 |
| Aard | yep | 08:42 |
| Aard | in InterruptWriterThread::run: if(m_buffers.isEmpty()) { | 08:43 |
| Aard | m_lock.tryLock(); | 08:43 |
| Aard | m_lock.lock(); | 08:43 |
| Aard | } | 08:43 |
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| sampos | oh, same there | 08:44 |
| sampos | don't understand | 08:45 |
| sampos | the m_lock is not the same lock there though | 08:46 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7769 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7769 | 08:46 |
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| Aard | sampos: yes, though I didn't find any locks set to recursive | 09:11 |
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| sampos | yes, me either. i added some debug and yes, the deadlock comes when tryLock() return true | 09:17 |
| sampos | the weird thing is that removing the trylock breaks it completely | 09:18 |
| Aard | what kind of 'completely'? | 09:18 |
| sampos | as in wrong container type immediately | 09:19 |
| sampos | can get even mtp_detect to work | 09:19 |
| Aard | and removing the lock, keeping the trylock? | 09:19 |
| sampos | that i did not try :) | 09:20 |
| sampos | i was going to try: if (trylock) unlock(); | 09:20 |
| sampos | but would be good to understand the logic here | 09:20 |
| Aard | my guess is that he had problems there aquiring the lock, so that two trylocks with checking the return values might work | 09:21 |
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| sledges | good morthing | 10:13 |
| sledges | kulve, Sage, I used complete Nemo pattern but in an old fashioned way (@Nemo Middleware Shared; @Nemo Apps; @MTF Handset UX) - built fine with mic | 10:15 |
| kulve | yeah, I had to use those distinct groups as well | 10:16 |
| kulve | but who knows when the complete pattern changes | 10:16 |
| sledges | but it gave Xorg OOM errors on pandaboard, so I'm using bare necessities (stripped to lipstick+controlpanel) one, achieved by taking qmlviewer as starting point and building up package by package (man how many missing dependencies I found ;)) | 10:16 |
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| sampos | Aard: works now. Next up: trying to understand why :) | 10:56 |
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| Sage | sledges: well, those patterns are not updated and are soon to be removed so using just "@Nemo Complete" brings all in. | 11:01 |
| sledges | sure, I will try that out right away | 11:02 |
| sledges | when will be ready with bare lipstick stability | 11:02 |
| kulve | Sage: last time I tried, that didn't work | 11:02 |
| kulve | but I'll try again at some point | 11:03 |
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| Sage | kulve: you need to use --pkgmgr=zypp also have 0.14 mic | 11:19 |
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| Sage | sdk-version --core latest --sdk next --go | 11:20 |
| Sage | that cmd should get you all the things you need | 11:20 |
| kulve | well, I have whatever mic the SDK provides | 11:21 |
| kulve | I would assume nemo builds are done with the same SDK.. | 11:21 |
| Sage | kulve: well sdk updates quite frequently :) | 11:21 |
| Sage | and bugs are fixed contantly and in the pattern handling there were some bugs that prevented the proper usage untill month ago or so | 11:22 |
| kulve | does it update all the time or is there releasess? Just thinking there could be some sort of annoucement in the mailing list.. | 11:22 |
| kulve | +typofixes | 11:23 |
| Sage | that rolling updates quite often I would think couple of times in a week with new fixes and stuff | 11:24 |
| Sage | I'm updating my sdk weekly | 11:25 |
| kulve | ok. Maybe I need to start doing that too | 11:25 |
| Aard | sampos: do you think you could got a patch together today? | 11:29 |
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| sampos | Aard: https://github.com/samposa/buteo-mtp/commits/stallIssue | 11:38 |
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| sampos | I thin i fixed it | 11:39 |
| sampos | +k | 11:39 |
| sampos | needs some testing still | 11:39 |
| sampos | so the fix for interruptwriter fixes the issue when stuck in reset | 11:44 |
| sampos | and the fix for bulkreader the error we get there in the first place | 11:44 |
| Aard | aren't you still locking twice there? | 11:47 |
| sampos | yes, but unlocking from main thread | 11:47 |
| sampos | it's ok the lock twice if someone unlocks | 11:48 |
| Aard | could you add a comment to the locking logic? | 11:48 |
| sampos | sure | 11:49 |
| sampos | the tryLock was added there as kludge imo, first the reader thread needs to have a lock | 11:50 |
| Aard | just moved 700mb music over | 11:53 |
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| sampos | \o/ | 11:55 |
| sampos | Aard: commented the lock handling. now i reward myself with some gym training :) bbl | 11:57 |
| Aard | have fun | 11:58 |
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| * Sage waits for sr from Aard to fix the stalling ;) | 12:30 | |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7769 Accepted promotion request | 12:31 |
| Aard | Sage: in a few hours, still torturing it | 12:32 |
| Sage | yunta: could you test https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7767 on some vm's etc.? | 12:33 |
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| Sage | yunta: though it shouldn't make any difference there | 12:34 |
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| yunta | Sage: sure, I'll check it, just in case | 12:35 |
| Sage | mainly adding some network adapter modules to get support for hw that was lost in 3.0.x to 3.6.x move | 12:35 |
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| yunta | yes, I see that. I still wonder if I have different eth card or I fcked up when I tested it on my lenovo... | 12:38 |
| Sage | lenovo had working wifi but not nic :) | 12:39 |
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| Sage | the E100 is for lenovo s10-3t, but I enabled also some others | 12:39 |
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| yunta | haha, wifi was done "blind" (I enabled all broadcom wifi drivers I could find....), as it didn't work on my lenovo (before bios reset) | 12:41 |
| Sage | well my lenovo has atheros wifi chip ;) | 12:42 |
| Sage | yunta: bios reset? | 12:42 |
| yunta | Sage: yaml/spec changes ? | 12:43 |
| Sage | yunta: none | 12:44 |
| Sage | only .config changes | 12:44 |
| Sage | yunta: tested on exopc and my ideapad and hp mini (though networking on this didn't work) | 12:44 |
| yunta | Sage: stupid thing that's not supposed to work. I opened my lenovo, disconnected wifi card, reconnected, did other shit too, but no help. Apparently if you do "load defaults" in bios, it does something more than just defaulting your bios settings... it fixes wifi :) | 12:44 |
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| Sage | :D | 12:46 |
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| yunta | Sage: it's going to take some time, I'll have to rebuild virtualbox guest modules against your repo... | 12:49 |
| Sage | sure | 12:49 |
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| sledges | Sage, https://build.merproject.org/request/show/32 should I add you as a reviewer ? | 13:30 |
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| Sage | sledges: please push to build.pub.meego.com instead for now. | 13:52 |
| Sage | we are still using that the one in build.merproject.org is just currently delayed clone of htose | 13:53 |
| sledges | argh :) | 13:54 |
| sledges | then I'll revoke this request | 13:54 |
| Sage | sry about the mess :/ | 13:57 |
| sledges | needs sorting ;) | 13:57 |
| sledges | but I bet you're busy at all levels | 13:57 |
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| sledges | I got encouraged to use BMO by Merbot spitting an SR from there the other day ;) | 13:58 |
| sledges | thinking all dandy | 13:58 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7771 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7771 | 14:02 |
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| sampos | Aard: so far so good ? | 14:06 |
| Aard | yep, didn't manage to break it | 14:06 |
| Aard | pulled from your branch, and will push it later. currently playing in some other area | 14:06 |
| sampos | great | 14:07 |
| Aard | the battery info code does not seem to be called at all | 14:09 |
| sampos | so it seems | 14:12 |
| sampos | couldn't that be queried from qt-mobility anyway ? | 14:13 |
| Aard | no | 14:13 |
| sampos | no backend ? | 14:14 |
| Aard | not that I know of | 14:15 |
| sampos | ok | 14:16 |
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| Aard | sampos: just pushing. only change I did on top of yours was making it list ogg as supported format as well | 14:35 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7772 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7772 | 15:02 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7773 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7773 | 15:04 |
| Aard | Sage: ^^ there's the mtp request | 15:05 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7776 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7776 | 15:21 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7772 Accepted promotion request | 15:23 |
| * Sage is getting feeling that lipstick is starting to be similar monster that libmeegotouch was :P | 15:23 | |
| sledges | is it? :) | 15:23 |
| * w00t glares at Sage | 15:24 | |
| w00t | your baby is ugly too! | 15:24 |
| w00t | :P | 15:24 |
| w00t | (what's wrong?) | 15:24 |
| Sage | w00t: just following the build depedencies to grow | 15:25 |
| Sage | that sr 7776 adds to more | 15:25 |
| Vesuri | Sage: erm, why are you comparing an application and a toolkit? | 15:26 |
| Vesuri | Sage: also, feel free to provide the same functionality without dependencies :) | 15:26 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7773 Accepted promotion request | 15:26 |
| * sledges thinks Sage wanted to say meegotouch-home | 15:26 | |
| Sage | Vesuri: well, I'm not saying not accepting those just saying that installing lipstick depends on quite a punch of things already :) | 15:27 |
| Vesuri | meegotouchhome only depended on libraries it actually needed | 15:27 |
| Vesuri | Sage: sure. we are combining features from system ui to lipstick and those features depend on things | 15:27 |
| w00t | meegotouch-home isn't really the right comparison.. home+systemui is a better one, and well, that's because it's absorbed a lot of the responsibilities of systemui | 15:28 |
| sledges | always a dilemma - should it be lipstick's deps, or lipstick-colorful-home's ;) | 15:28 |
| Vesuri | I just don't get what your point actually is | 15:28 |
| w00t | Vesuri: I kind of get what he's trying to say, I guess | 15:28 |
| Vesuri | "there are a lot of dependencies!" - yeah, there are, because it does a lot of things | 15:28 |
| w00t | originally, I developed lipstick on desktop - not even nemo, doing that now wouldn't really be possible - but on the other hand I accept that as necessary | 15:28 |
| w00t | a part of it growing from being a prototype into something useful | 15:29 |
| Vesuri | that's one of the reasons meegotouchhome did only contain the home screen parts - it was the home screen, nothing more | 15:29 |
| Vesuri | then system ui contained all the diverse crap | 15:29 |
| Vesuri | but then again we had two processes running at the same time | 15:29 |
| Vesuri | both contributing to the essential desktop environment, both needed anyway, so now they're being combined to one | 15:30 |
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| Vesuri | one way to get rid of some of the dependencies would be to have other processes implement the functionality. this was not wanted in harmattan because people wanted strict separation of system sw components and their UIs | 15:30 |
| Vesuri | doing so now would be possible, but would require a lot of effort | 15:31 |
| * Sage thinks that people took his half joke a bit too seriously | 15:32 | |
| Vesuri | well, it's a valid discussion | 15:32 |
| sledges | Vesuri, w00t, Sage; simple use case: let's say I don't need libdeclarative-sensors and qt-components on my own usage of lipstick (or I provide some other alternatives). So I add those dependencies only to lipstick-colorful-home, keeping lipstick lean and mean | 15:32 |
| Vesuri | since even if it's a joke, I do agree that there are a lot of dependencies and I don't see it being optimal either | 15:32 |
| * sledges is coming from the case that bare minimum for lipstick-colorful-home to launch -were- those two packages | 15:33 | |
| Aard | solution: do one big library that does everything. then you'll only have one dependency :) | 15:33 |
| w00t | libnemo.so | 15:33 |
| w00t | Aard: actually | 15:33 |
| Sage | make nemo \o/ :) | 15:33 |
| w00t | let's call it libnemotouch! | 15:33 |
| Sage | :D | 15:33 |
| Vesuri | sledges: only basic functionality absolutely necessary for running a fully functioning desktop are added to lipstick | 15:33 |
| Vesuri | or okay, maybe that's an exaggeration :) | 15:34 |
| sledges | that brings us to a queasion: what is a "fully functioning desktop" | 15:34 |
| Aard | w00t: nemo is underage, that'll get us in trouble with child pornography laws in some countries | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | let's statically link everything together! | 15:34 |
| Vesuri | the other option is most certainly that everyone interested in implementing the same functionality will do so individually in their home screens... | 15:34 |
| Vesuri | if that's what is wanted, I can definitely strip the stuff back out from lipstick :) | 15:34 |
| * Aard puts Vesuri back into harmattan development | 15:35 | |
| Vesuri | I just don't know what point there'd be for everyone to implement things that are most likely going to be needed anyway | 15:35 |
| w00t | Vesuri: no, I don't think that's the right approach | 15:35 |
| sledges | ok, it looks like we devs will be following "more likely than not" principle ;) | 15:36 |
| sledges | I see no problem with that, unless Sage's starts comparing lipstick to something 'heavy' again ;D | 15:37 |
| Vesuri | Aard: suits me :) | 15:37 |
| sledges | s/comparing/calling (this time without joking :))/ | 15:37 |
| Aard | Vesuri: one developer and the same manager count? you'll have lot's of fun :) | 15:38 |
| Vesuri | Aard: I didn't get your joke either :) | 15:38 |
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| Vesuri | but yeah, if you figure out better places for some functionalities that were in system ui and will now be in lipstick, please move them | 15:40 |
| Vesuri | I wouldn't mind at all having the component which actually understands about battery generate battery related notifications instead of sending signals about it and letting someone else do the job | 15:41 |
| Vesuri | or having the component that actually chooses the USB mode to display a USB mode selection dialog instead of asking system ui / lipstick to do so | 15:42 |
| Sage | Vesuri: well, for example qmsystem is something that could be removed eventually | 15:42 |
| Vesuri | Sage: sure, after the same functionality is reimplemented elsewhere :] | 15:42 |
| Sage | yes :) | 15:42 |
| Vesuri | until that happens we are stuck with it | 15:42 |
| Vesuri | and even when that happens lipstick will depend on whereever the functionality was moved? :) | 15:43 |
| sledges | the atmosphere is tense for the need of a "Mobile Phone Operation System" standard, to which Nemo/Lipstick&co. could adhere (e.g., the document could read: "...a device which must have screen, touch interface, battery, accelerometers") | 15:43 |
| sledges | s/Operation/Operating/ | 15:43 |
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| Vesuri | Sage: isn't that true? so I'm not quite sure what the point is | 15:43 |
| sledges | it all can just be driven by common sense (XKCD: let's create another standard to unify them all!...) :) | 15:44 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7777 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7777 | 16:01 |
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| sledges | about to run zypper dup on pandaboard | 17:06 |
| sledges | (those were /me's last words) | 17:06 |
| sledges | all worked! will be less afraid to do such things continuously ;) | 17:19 |
| Sage | sledges: well nothing should break. I've using zypper dup constantly on my devices | 17:23 |
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| * sledges saw xorg-server among updates. One eye twitched :D | 17:29 | |
| Sage | sledges: most of those were just rebuilds because of dependencies | 17:30 |
| sledges | ok :) it's a fun job! :D | 17:31 |
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| Sage | lbt: accepted the kernel as yunta tested it with virtual box stuff and said it works. I tested on exopc and lenovo ideapad myself and worked on both. | 17:36 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7777 Accepted promotion request | 17:36 |
| lbt | ok | 17:37 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7771 Accepted promotion request | 17:42 |
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