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| Ken-Young | Is there anyone around who is familiar with using Nemo on an N950? | 04:17 |
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| Sage | morning | 06:59 |
| Sage | Ken-Young: what do you need? | 07:00 |
| juiceme | morinig | 07:00 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:40 |
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| w00t | Vesuri: any objections to a lipstick tag+release? | 09:11 |
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| Vesuri | w00t: no | 09:13 |
| w00t | alright, I'll do that now | 09:13 |
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| Theorbo | anyone selling an N950? The one offered to me has vanished. | 09:43 |
| Theorbo | I spent hours updating myself on Mer. I was ready to contribute a couple of hours a day in the evening. | 09:50 |
| Theorbo | I know there is the N9 (and emulator) but I am loathe to not having a physical device with a keyboard | 09:51 |
| PMG | Updated timed changes for review: https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/pull/4 | 09:54 |
| PMG | Sage: ^ | 09:54 |
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| lbt | Sage: where's the latest nemo emulator ks? | 10:27 |
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| Sage | lbt: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/0.20121224.1.NEMO.2013-01-12.1/images/nemo-handset-i486-vm/nemo-handset-i486-vm.ks or use https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-kickstarter-configs/ | 10:35 |
| lbt | ty :) | 10:35 |
| Vesuri | w00t: did you create a tag? | 10:43 |
| w00t | ..forgot to push it | 10:43 |
| Vesuri | :) | 10:43 |
| w00t | done | 10:44 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7703 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7703 | 10:45 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7704 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7704 | 10:48 |
| Sage | w00t: so qdesktopservices returns xdg dirs? | 10:48 |
| w00t | Sage: yes | 10:49 |
| Sage | so why did MSameer then submit the razorqt with libqtxdg in mw shared? | 10:49 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=razorqt&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared | 10:49 |
| w00t | I don't know, where is it used? | 10:49 |
| Sage | I have no idea but I got impression that qt doesn't support xdg dirs thus that was submitted there | 10:50 |
| Sage | can you talk to him about that and query what was the reasoning etc. | 10:50 |
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| MSameer | Sage: i don't know either. Was a mistake :| | 12:58 |
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| sledges | hey fellows, do you want the new nemo splash screen to be portrait (favouring N9 users) or landscape (favouring N9x0 users) :) most votes wins :) | 13:24 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:New-splash-nemo-800x480.png | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | make both, read /etc/boardname ? | 13:26 |
| sledges | sounds awesome (I though that'd take to do two more separate HA branches -> N9 and N9x0) hurrah | 13:27 |
| phako | why fuelled? | 13:29 |
| sledges | powered is overused everywhere | 13:29 |
| sledges | let's stand out | 13:29 |
| phako | unlike? ;) | 13:29 |
| sledges | BTW it's all about ships still ;) | 13:29 |
| sledges | well, leave that for Jolla :)) | 13:29 |
| phako | yeah, bit that kindof sounds like mer is burned in the process ;) | 13:30 |
| phako | but | 13:30 |
| sledges | :D true | 13:30 |
| sledges | but think it's the cpu cycles that are being burned :)) | 13:30 |
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| sledges | I liked that Nemo social presence text (see description) does not mention Jolla/Sailfish anywhere, quite indepenedent. but at the same time Nemo would introduce more confusions for newbies, so a clear separation explanation is required still.. | 13:31 |
| sledges | s/description/mailing list/ | 13:31 |
| phako | I gave up reading that, sorry | 13:31 |
| sledges | lol, well final version is never tl;dr; http://openetherpad.org/urfxx467L6 | 13:32 |
| sledges | and from desc one infers: Mer fuels Nemo, Nemo powers devices | 13:34 |
| PMG | spiiroin, special & anybody: any objections to the merge of https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/pull/5 ? | 13:38 |
| sledges | Jonni: #pandaboard: 16:51 < prpplague> masta: basically there is no one supporting panda, so dtb and sgx(graphics) stuff are not being worked on. <...> the the layoffs and such, panda is basically for all practical purposes dead | 13:41 |
| niqt | Stskeeps, do you know when mer sdk will be ready for all platform (mac and win)? | 13:41 |
| sledges | do you think libxcb/libX11 issues will be addressed? Hope you're doing well there | 13:41 |
| spiiroin | PMG: ok by me | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: TI OMAP is dead, no surprise from me | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: shame though, they were good devices | 13:42 |
| sledges | it's the time they withdrew from the mobile scene to concentrate on embedded platforms | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but this isn't how.. | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:43 |
| sledges | then why would pandaboard not be an embedded development board, and should still be supported (with beagleboard) | 13:43 |
| sledges | s/it's/it was/ | 13:43 |
| sledges | what else it there left to prototype on? Freescale?.. (cheap, I mean ;P) | 13:45 |
| sledges | RPi - well not -that- cheap :D | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, beaglebone amybe | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | not sure how dead that is | 13:46 |
| sledges | keyword Sitare sounds less dead at least.. | 13:46 |
| sledges | *Sitara | 13:49 |
| PMG | Sage, anybody: any objections to the merge of https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/pull/4 (timed automatic time update from cellular network time)? | 13:55 |
| PMG | spiiroin: ^ | 13:58 |
| spiiroin | PMG: no objections from me | 13:59 |
| Sage | PMG: no objections | 13:59 |
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| Jonni | sledges: most likely panda is dead, atleast I dont have access to that hardware. | 14:00 |
| PMG | Sage, spiiroin: Great, thanks for the help & review comments! | 14:01 |
| sledges | ah, so you are working on OMAP4-based other hw, Jonni | 14:01 |
| Jonni | sledges: sorry cannot comment what based hardware Im working on :) | 14:02 |
| sledges | wasn't a question, I'm just standing by for libxcb workaround ;) | 14:02 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: our hw is based on silicon and that's about as much as you need to know ;) | 14:02 |
| sledges | ;P ^ | 14:02 |
| Sage | :P | 14:03 |
| faenil | lol | 14:03 |
| Sage | sledges: how far did you get the pandaboard btw? I haven't booted mine in a long while. | 14:03 |
| sledges | I think that bug is what prevents me from demoing Nemo on pandaboard | 14:03 |
| sledges | Sage, ^ | 14:03 |
| sledges | OpenGLES accel works, mouse cursor visible, Settings app works, but launching qmlcalc 2 times or more crashes (flickr-qml works though) | 14:04 |
| sledges | lipstick works, too, but after installing gestures, seems to crash at startup for ~5 times before settling down | 14:05 |
| sledges | same symptom of libxcb/X11 XFilterEvents bug | 14:05 |
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| sledges | https://bugs.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+bug/1034178 | 14:07 |
| Merbot | Ubuntu bug 1034178 in Linaro-Ubuntu "Qt4 OpenGL ES2 examples segfault" [High,Confirmed] | 14:07 |
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| Sage | sledges: ok | 14:12 |
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| sledges | Jonni, apparently XFilterEvent bug has been fixed in pvr-omap4 1.9.0.7 | 14:17 |
| sledges | zeroing in on the exact version now | 14:17 |
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| sledges | Jonni, 1.9.0.7.1.5-2 from TI PPA (https://launchpad.net/~tiomap-dev/+archive/release/+files/pvr-omap4_1.9.0.7.1.5.orig.tar.gz) | 14:28 |
| sledges | but it was a failure to integrate it with OBS (missing .ko) | 14:28 |
| sledges | and weston/wayland dep pulled in | 14:28 |
| * sledges wonders if you have pulled that nicely into OBS.. | 14:29 | |
| sledges | otherwise I'll try to investigate the problems seriously this time | 14:29 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, Wandboard and Cubieboard are the future :) and cheap! | 14:32 |
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| Stskeeps | aren't they allwinner? | 14:32 |
| sledges | Wandboard = i.MX6 | 14:33 |
| sledges | Cubieboard - might be an allwinner :)) nice read btw | 14:33 |
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| sledges | Allwinner A1X (Redirected from Cubieboard) lol From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 14:34 |
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| sledges | phako, sending texts fron N9 also works after today's zypper ref & up ! | 15:22 |
| phako | sledges: yay | 15:23 |
| sledges | didn't work for you yesterday? ;) | 15:23 |
| phako | didn't try | 15:24 |
| sledges | ah ok :) | 15:24 |
| sledges | maybe it was fixed earlier | 15:24 |
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| phako | receiving internet settings didn't work, though | 15:25 |
| sledges | whoops, that's a demanding one ;) | 15:25 |
| * sledges never tried configure Cellular neither manually :) | 15:25 | |
| phako | that's just what I got SMS from | 15:26 |
| sledges | :)) | 15:26 |
| sledges | sure | 15:26 |
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| sledges | Jonni, fixed the libX11 (XFilterEvents bug) by upgrading to latest pvr-omap4. Note that you'll need ti-omap4-sgx.service to load pvrsrvinit (I backported it from N9, but not put into .ks yet): https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=pvr-omap4&project=home%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Ahome%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AAdaptation%3APandaBoard | 15:45 |
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| sledges | kernel upgrade to latest 3.4.0.1489 is also in my TODO list (will solve HWCursor issue), but don't know when I'll get to that | 15:48 |
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| Mric_ | Where could I find the release note for NEMO.2013-01-12.1 or a changelog ? | 19:23 |
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| anYc | maybe it's on the mer-general mailing list | 19:25 |
| anYc | the list is linked in the wiki | 19:25 |
| Mric_ | anYc ok thx | 19:27 |
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| Mric_ | hello everyone, I'm having a small problem with my N9. I'm trying to install nemo, I have moslo and the Alt_OS working fine. I'm under linux and I can see Alt_Os and but when I want to extract nemo nothing happens. Any idea ? | 22:46 |
| Mric_ | when I type enter, the consol seems to work for 20s and than return nothing (seems good) but if I look at the Alt_OS nothing is extracted on it .... | 22:51 |
| faenil | weird... | 22:53 |
| faenil | Mric_, I suggest you come back tomorrow during daylight and ask again ;) | 22:53 |
| Mric_ | faenil also I can't unmount it using: sudo umount /media/Alt_OS | 22:54 |
| faenil | what does it say? | 22:54 |
| Mric_ | faenil: sudo umount /media/Alt_OS umount: /media/Alt_OS: not mounted | 22:55 |
| faenil | oh well, then there's a problem :D | 22:55 |
| faenil | Mric_, which distro are you using? doesn't it have automount? | 22:55 |
| faenil | also check that the path is correct | 22:56 |
| faenil | maybe you have /media/your_username/Alt_OS | 22:56 |
| Mric_ | faenil: I'm using Ubuntu, yeah my problem is definitively with mounting | 22:57 |
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| faenil | Mric_, is the phone saying "rootfs is exported to usb" ? | 22:57 |
| faenil | or something like that | 22:57 |
| Mric_ | faenil: yes | 22:57 |
| faenil | and Alt_OS folder didn't pop up automatically when you connected the phone? | 22:58 |
| faenil | asking to open or eject the new device | 22:58 |
| Mric_ | but I can see under linux a USB key called "Alt_OS" doesn't it means it is mounted ? | 22:58 |
| faenil | something like that | 22:58 |
| faenil | oh ok | 22:58 |
| faenil | so in the file manager you can access it? | 22:58 |
| Mric_ | yes | 22:58 |
| faenil | is it empty? | 22:58 |
| Mric_ | I guess it is mount then no ? | 22:58 |
| faenil | check that the path tar is extracting to is correct | 22:59 |
| Mric_ | no, I have too folders: foot+lost and boot-orig | 22:59 |
| Mric_ | but I don't have nemo | 22:59 |
| Mric_ | ok ... I going to try /media/your_username/Alt_OS | 23:00 |
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| faenil | just check from the file manager | 23:01 |
| faenil | go to / | 23:01 |
| Mric_ | faenil: thanks a lot it is working now .... I can see the files in the file manager | 23:01 |
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| faenil | cool :) | 23:02 |
| Mric_ | time to boot :) | 23:02 |
| faenil | it will be slow at first | 23:02 |
| faenil | give it some time for the tracker to finish indexing stuff | 23:02 |
| faenil | until you see the scrolling is smooth :) | 23:02 |
| faenil | also remember to umount | 23:03 |
| faenil | before disconnecting the phone | 23:03 |
| Mric_ | faenil: oups | 23:03 |
| faenil | lol | 23:03 |
| Mric_ | is it bad ? | 23:03 |
| faenil | nah :) | 23:03 |
| faenil | just try booting and see if it boots :) | 23:03 |
| faenil | if it doesn't connect it via usb again, and let it mount and then umount it | 23:04 |
| Mric_ | hum, it booted fine aksing me if I wanted ALt_OS or original kernel, I choose Alt_OS pressing volume down but nothing happens ... the device switched off | 23:05 |
| faenil | oh... | 23:05 |
| Mric_ | will try to mount it and unmount like you suggest | 23:05 |
| faenil | no | 23:06 |
| faenil | if it switched off | 23:06 |
| faenil | then it's a nasty thing | 23:06 |
| faenil | that happens | 23:06 |
| sledges | reboot one more time ;) | 23:06 |
| faenil | Mric_, it could be that it's thinking it's in charging state | 23:06 |
| faenil | let me think about what was the solution | 23:06 |
| faenil | I think you should switch it off | 23:06 |
| faenil | then connect it to the charger | 23:06 |
| Mric_ | fenil: hahah | 23:06 |
| sledges | happened to me, one more reboot into moslo->alternate os helped | 23:07 |
| faenil | sledges, alright | 23:07 |
| faenil | Mric_, then just try rebooting | 23:07 |
| sledges | after first extraction of nemo | 23:07 |
| Mric_ | sledges: will try sleges solution than your faenil | 23:07 |
| Mric_ | one more boot did nothing, the device just switch off again but thank you anyway | 23:09 |
| Mric_ | trying to boot it again ... | 23:09 |
| faenil | Mric_, in any case don't panic ;) | 23:11 |
| bef0rd | you can always get a new n9 to try again | 23:12 |
| Mric_ | faenil sledges just tried booting again and it did not work ... tried the charger method without result aswell | 23:12 |
| faenil | Mric_, you didn't hear about the charging method :) | 23:12 |
| Mric_ | befOrd haha I would be happy if you provide me the device ;) | 23:13 |
| bef0rd | :p | 23:13 |
| faenil | you have to switch it off, the connect to charger, don't switch it on yourself, it will switch by itself, it will say "exported to usb"---> at that moment, disconnect and reconnect usb and select harmattan | 23:14 |
| faenil | and check that it goes into charging mode | 23:14 |
| Mric_ | would re-extracting nemo help ? | 23:14 |
| faenil | i.e. it doesn't boot but it shows the big charging battery | 23:14 |
| faenil | Mric_, do that ;) | 23:14 |
| Mric_ | ok will try that faenil :) | 23:14 |
| faenil | it's the device thinking that it's in charging mode | 23:15 |
| sledges | (don't forget to have flasher with MOSLO ready as you plug in charger) | 23:15 |
| sledges | aw, sorry ^ it's only when using Single Boot, ignore me :) | 23:15 |
| * sledges is still using Single Boot &) | 23:15 | |
| faenil | I'm fighting with octave instead...argh | 23:16 |
| Mric_ | sledges knows what he is doing not like me ;) | 23:16 |
| sledges | Mric_, I was exactly like you 6 months ago :P | 23:17 |
| Mric_ | "disconnect and reconnect usb and select harmattan" to the charger or computer ? | 23:17 |
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| Mric_ | charger I guess but I want to be sure | 23:17 |
| Mric_ | sledges: haha I hope I'll understand nemo like you do in 6 months :) | 23:18 |
| sledges | stick around, and you will, even faster ;) | 23:18 |
| * sledges did not stick around as much sadly | 23:18 | |
| sledges | we're here to help | 23:18 |
| Mric_ | haha but I quite busy with uni ... | 23:18 |
| faenil | Mric_, same | 23:19 |
| sledges | same, work | 23:19 |
| Mric_ | I will one my free time :) | 23:19 |
| sledges | but we'll work/uni it out ;) | 23:19 |
| sledges | yup | 23:19 |
| faenil | we just need to make the big harmattan battery appear | 23:19 |
| faenil | the one which shows when the phone is charging but is switched off | 23:19 |
| sledges | yay, octave reminds me of Maple, faenil .. | 23:19 |
| faenil | haven't used it :) | 23:19 |
| faenil | first time octave user, and I'll only use it for this exam | 23:20 |
| faenil | thank god :P | 23:20 |
| sledges | yup, Mric_, switch the phone off completely, and then plug the charger in | 23:20 |
| sledges | :)) | 23:20 |
| Mric_ | hum ... it is going back to the moslo menu and not the battery | 23:21 |
| faenil | yes | 23:22 |
| faenil | now it says exported | 23:22 |
| faenil | you disconnect, select harmattan, and reconnect usb | 23:22 |
| faenil | so that it goes on | 23:22 |
| Mric_ | the device also switch off .... | 23:23 |
| faenil | are you sure you selected harmattan and reconnected the cable? | 23:24 |
| Mric_ | I'm doing it again to be sure i didn't messed up ... | 23:24 |
| faenil | after you select harmattan you should see the disclaimer with the yellow warning symbol again, if I remember correctly | 23:26 |
| faenil | sledges, have you got some experience with octave? | 23:26 |
| Mric_ | I choose harmattan the phone switch off but now it doesn't boot up even connected to the charger ... | 23:27 |
| faenil | must be because it's still on | 23:27 |
| faenil | just keep the hw button pressed for 8-10 seconds | 23:28 |
| faenil | until it vibrates | 23:28 |
| Mric_ | I did not see any disclaimer .... | 23:28 |
| faenil | the one with the warning... | 23:28 |
| faenil | "you don't have warranty anymore " bla bla bla | 23:28 |
| Mric_ | I know what you mean but I haven't seen that | 23:29 |
| faenil | alright | 23:30 |
| Mric_ | it booted up and it is telling me: "Rootfs of AlternaticeOS now exported via USB" | 23:30 |
| faenil | ok, try booting into Nemo again | 23:30 |
| Mric_ | "You can telnet into ..." | 23:30 |
| faenil | umount first | 23:30 |
| faenil | of course | 23:30 |
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| sledges | a good way to check if your N9 is switched off completely: briefly press power button, and if front bottom-left white LED lights up immediately, means the phone is completely swithed off (keeping it longer will surely fire it up, releasing earlier - bring back to switched off mode) | 23:31 |
| Mric_ | sledges: thanks for the tip :) But actually I had myself alreay noticed that ;) | 23:31 |
| Mric_ | nemo doesn't boot, my device is completely switch off | 23:32 |
| sledges | ok, time for last resort, what you said yourself | 23:33 |
| sledges | 23:14 < Mric_> would re-extracting nemo help ? | 23:33 |
| sledges | :) | 23:33 |
| sledges | and do `sync` and correcy umount after re-extracting | 23:33 |
| sledges | (sync should suffice in most cases though) | 23:34 |
| Mric_ | sorry but what is sync ? | 23:34 |
| sledges | command | 23:35 |
| sledges | just like umoutn | 23:35 |
| sledges | umount | 23:35 |
| Mric_ | okay will try | 23:35 |
| sledges | it flushes all data caches pending to be physically written to media (HDD, USB stick, Alt_OS ;)) | 23:35 |
| Mric_ | sledges: ok thanks for the explanation | 23:36 |
| sledges | yw, enjoy the journey :) | 23:36 |
| Mric_ | haha, currently extracting nemo and it is taking way more time than the first time: don't know if it good or bad :) | 23:38 |
| sledges | ;) | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK | I've also skipped sync the first time & it didn't work :) | 23:38 |
| M4rtinK | worked with sync :) | 23:39 |
| Mric_ | M4rtinK: okay thanks this is good news :) | 23:39 |
| sledges | umount should sync.... | 23:40 |
| sledges | if you do umount ;) | 23:40 |
| sledges | otherwise weird | 23:40 |
| faenil | ehehe yeah most people forget umount :) | 23:40 |
| Mric_ | haha I like everyone apparently ;) alright I have sync and umount now time to pray :) | 23:41 |
| sledges | :) gnome should have started spitting warning about sporadic non-umounts by now ;) | 23:42 |
| sledges | should not be hard to implement such functionality in gnome-shell and (maybe) unity | 23:42 |
| sledges | Mric_, fingers cross(compile)d ;) | 23:42 |
| Mric_ | I can see a nice wallpaper with written Nemo on it :) | 23:42 |
| sledges | \o/ | 23:42 |
| Mric_ | thank you very much to all | 23:42 |
| * sledges (fanfares and trumpets) | 23:43 | |
| Mric_ | hahah I guess umount is important :) | 23:43 |
| sledges | now you learned something :) enjoy Nemo! | 23:43 |
| sledges | it's nicely meturing (ringtones, send/receive calls/SMSs ;)) | 23:43 |
| Mric_ | true that ... I have learned something, I had already installed old version of nemo I hope to see it meturing like you said :) | 23:45 |
| Mric_ | hum ... I have a yellow screen for now 30s is it normal because it is first boot ? | 23:46 |
| sledges | can be normal | 23:46 |
| sledges | but if it takes longer, just reboot ;)) | 23:46 |
| sledges | (that's where the reboot bit comes in from my experience) | 23:46 |
| sledges | and then for me it worked | 23:46 |
| sledges | give it 1.5 minutes | 23:47 |
| faenil | Mric_, yes it's just the 8bits version of the wallpaper :) | 23:48 |
| faenil | (or 4bits? lol) | 23:48 |
| Mric_ | hahah 4 bits lol I'm going to wait for now .... anyway I couldn't find on wiki a changelog but did nemo change a lot from the the 08/2011 | 23:48 |
| Mric_ | *2012 | 23:49 |
| Mric_ | haha | 23:49 |
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| Mric_ | yeaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh I'm under Nemo :) | 23:51 |
| faenil | cool | 23:51 |
| Mric_ | thanks sledges and faenil | 23:51 |
| faenil | np :) | 23:51 |
| Mric_ | I have network (which I never had before) nice touch :) | 23:52 |
| Mric_ | waaow it is beautiful and fluid ! | 23:53 |
| sledges | yup, they fixed a but in kernel L2 cache management | 23:54 |
| sledges | so is nice and -usable- ! | 23:54 |
| sledges | lot's of cosmetic work to be still implemented, exciting times ahead :) | 23:54 |
| sledges | you're welcome, and welcome back to Nemo :) | 23:54 |
| Mric_ | quick question is 3g supported ? :) | 23:54 |
| Mric_ | yes I can't wait for further realeses | 23:55 |
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| sledges | haven't tried yet, but simply go to settings->connectivity->gprs and add your access point name and credentials | 23:55 |
| sledges | (you'll have to go back to harmattan to look those up or simply your operator's manual) | 23:56 |
| Mric_ | great will try :) I'm curious but do you have any idea when is going to be the next release with the cosmetic works ? Btw could I only update the device or will I have to extract nemo again woth the release ? | 23:58 |
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| sledges | it's in progress | 23:59 |
| faenil | Mric_, there won't be any cosmetic work if there are no contributors, it's that easy :) | 23:59 |
| sledges | cosmetics (in urgent order) i meant: notifications about missed call and text | 23:59 |
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