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| w00t | romaxa: pong | 00:49 |
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| * lpotter screams at ofono-qt | 01:26 | |
| special | somebody should chart lpotter's experience with ofono-qt | 01:27 |
| lpotter | hehehe | 01:27 |
| special | 'grumbles' to 'screams' over 2 hours | 01:27 |
| special | how bad can it get by the end of the day? | 01:27 |
| lpotter | I'll have to meditate | 01:28 |
| lpotter | oooommmmmmmm | 01:28 |
| lpotter | there... all better. see the pretty pink flying elephants? | 01:28 |
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| w00t | lpotter: it's probably better than icd2, at least from what i saw of it :) | 01:35 |
| w00t | lpotter: any opinion on https://github.com/nemomobile/libconnman-qt/pull/13 ? | 01:37 |
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| lpotter | commented. | 01:42 |
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| w00t | merged :) | 01:43 |
| lpotter | might as well have lunch.. | 01:47 |
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| lpotter | I'd hate to be in Sydney today | 01:59 |
| w00t | lpotter: what's the temperature therE? | 02:02 |
| w00t | 40.7 here now :) | 02:02 |
| lpotter | in brissie? | 02:02 |
| w00t | yes | 02:02 |
| lpotter | 32 where I am | 02:02 |
| lpotter | still, I need the a.c. on to get into that 'code groove' | 02:03 |
| lpotter | probably comes from working so many years in that cold trolltech/nokia office | 02:03 |
| special | I have a first world problem | 02:03 |
| lpotter | it's effected my brain | 02:03 |
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| special | I can't bitch about how cold it gets, because the europeans are colder | 02:04 |
| special | and I can't bitch about how hot it gets, because of australia | 02:04 |
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| lpotter | well.. its only hot in the summer.. and spring. and autumn | 02:06 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7608 Rejected promotion request | 07:58 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7609 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7609 | 08:16 |
| jukkaeklund | kulve, hi did you succeed with Nexus 7 image? | 08:17 |
| kulve | jukkaeklund: I haven't build it yet for nemo.. | 08:18 |
| kulve | HA is there though and plasma active is working quite nicely though | 08:18 |
| kulve | -though | 08:18 |
| jukkaeklund | ok, I should try the Plasma build.. | 08:21 |
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| kulve | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Tegra3/Nexus7 | 08:22 |
| kulve | there's something about that | 08:22 |
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| kulve | the long list of issues is a bit misleading as most of the major features are working | 08:23 |
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| kulve | the flashing part is a bit tricky with n7 as can't just flash it with some command but you need to boot moslo-variant, mount the partition to your linux and copy the rootfs over | 08:24 |
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| jukkaeklund | kulve, I think actually moslo way is rather easy :) | 08:47 |
| kulve | jukkaeklund: in the end, it is. And it provides nice flexibility as you can also edit the rootfs later even if it wouldn't boot up with network | 08:49 |
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| kulve | jukkaeklund: http://ruedigergad.com/2013/01/08/new-rootfs-tarball-of-plasma-active-for-nexus-7/ | 09:28 |
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| Aard | sampos: did you get 100% pass rate for the updated mtp-tests? for me now one testcase still fails (meegomtp1dot0::FSStoragePlugin_test::testPlaylistsPersistence) | 09:40 |
| sampos | Aard: I did. Will check again. What is the Loc of fail ? | 09:41 |
| jukkaeklund | kulve, thanks | 09:41 |
| Aard | FAIL! : meegomtp1dot0::FSStoragePlugin_test::testPlaylistsPersistence() Compared values are not the same Actual (resultSetAll.size()): 3 Expected (4): 4 Loc: [fsstorageplugin_test.cpp(1625)] | 09:42 |
| Aard | _might_ be an issue of tracker in sdk, though | 09:42 |
| sampos | might be, did not test on sdk | 09:43 |
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| Aard | sampos: are you bored? ;) | 09:57 |
| sampos | well, not but testing on sdk anyway :) | 09:58 |
| Aard | damn. I'm looking for someone bored enough to track down the mtp disconnects ;) | 09:58 |
| sampos | oh ? | 09:59 |
| sampos | that would interest me | 09:59 |
| sampos | no bug for that yet ? | 09:59 |
| sampos | i tried adding device icon property and got weird write failures | 10:00 |
| Aard | probably not. need to go afk now, but short: if you start seriously using mtp to move stuff around it'll now and then exit (not crash, unfortunately, gdb would be easier ;)) | 10:00 |
| sampos | ok, good to know, thanks | 10:01 |
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| rabit | I'm trying to install Mer/Nemo on my N900, following the instructions in the wiki. In the process I've run into some problems/questions. Maybe someone can help... | 12:19 |
| sampos | maybe :) What is the problem ? | 12:21 |
| rabit | N900 installation: a) how do install uboot with the Nokia Linux kernel (not power user). I cannot find uboot-* package, tried an apt-cache search with no results. | 12:21 |
| rabit | N900 installation: Is MultiBoot compatible? | 12:22 |
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| sampos | rabit: did you enable the extras-devel repo ? | 12:23 |
| rabit | N900 installation: OS version I have is Maemo5 Version 21.2011.38-1. Then I'm on Ubuntu 12.10, and whenever I run flasher, I cannot connect to the device. | 12:23 |
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| rabit | sampos: It was enabled by default (if it's http://repository.maemo.org/extras/). | 12:24 |
| rabit | sampos: Oh, I see, I have to add /extras-dev/, my fault. :-) | 12:25 |
| rabit | sampos: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/, I meant. | 12:25 |
| rabit | N900 installation: Has anyone successfully used Ubuntu 12.10 64 bit with the flasher tool? | 12:28 |
| timoph | not tried but iirc it's a static binary so should work | 12:29 |
| rabit | timoph: thanks, that's good to know. what can i do when the N900 is not detected by the Flasher tool? I've tried with virtualized Windows XP as well, and the flasher never detected the device. synchronizing data with the device using the nokia utilities on Windows works without any problems. | 12:31 |
| timoph | hold down U on the n900 when powering it up | 12:32 |
| timoph | anyway, I can try it on 12.10 when I get home in a couple of hours | 12:32 |
| rabit | timoph: thanks, i'll try again within the next hour, and report my results here. | 12:34 |
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| rabit | sampos: i now see U-Boot with kernel 2.6.28-omap1 2012.10-rc3-1, is that the correct version? | 12:34 |
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| sampos | rabit: dunno. mines older iirc, don't see why it wouldn't. Maybe get the flasher working first ? | 12:54 |
| rabit | N900 installation: cool, i have mer/nemo running on the n900! :-) sweet! | 12:54 |
| sampos | congrats | 12:54 |
| sledges | rabit, \o/ | 12:55 |
| rabit | sampos: thanks, looks like MultiBoot is not compatible, it couldn't load from the sd card. With u-boot everything worked instantly. | 12:55 |
| tadzik | rabit: oh, does rotation work for you? (portrait/landscape?) | 12:55 |
| rabit | N900 installation: i have an n9 as well, bought a new one 3 weeks ago. i was afraid of bricking the device, since i've really fallen in love with it - and got an old n900 for development testing on ebay. i'm very happy that it's running on the n900. | 12:56 |
| rabit | tadzik: rotation works, although i saw that - in the apps view - sometimes the header is not resized correctly when switching from landscape to portrait mode. | 12:57 |
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| sampos | same for me. Or actually i loose the header in landscape. Just see the bg about 40% of screen space. | 12:59 |
| rabit | tadzik: it seems that the touch display is not as responsive as it should. sometimes the stylus works. this the first time i'm booting mer on a device, very exciting! | 12:59 |
| juiceme | rabit, re bricking n9, it's not so easy to break | 13:00 |
| rabit | sampos: when i tab the power button and the standby mode is on, and then re-enter the app view, everything is looking fine again. | 13:00 |
| juiceme | Up no now have'nt found anything I can do to it that a reflash would not cure | 13:01 |
| sampos | rabit: same here | 13:01 |
| rabit | juiceme: oh, that's REALLY good know. bricking that device would probably make me cry. ;-) | 13:01 |
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| tadzik | rabit: I'm using nemo from time to time during the last 6 months or so, and when I installed the latest release few days ago I noticed that the rotation's not working anymore | 13:02 |
| rabit | dev workflow for UI: what does the dev worflow for nemo UI look like? eg, when i want to change one of the apps shipping with the image? | 13:02 |
| tadzik | I should maybe start a bugreporting frenzy again | 13:02 |
| tadzik | rabit: probably look around github.com/nemomobile | 13:02 |
| rabit | tadzik: will do, thanks. | 13:02 |
| juiceme | I would indeed cry, since it's so difficult to get a replacement in case it WAS bricked | 13:02 |
| sampos | as for ui responsiveness i've learned that multiple light taps work best, jamming hard on the icons not so well. | 13:03 |
| rabit | sampos: thanks, will try that. | 13:03 |
| tadzik | then you submit stuff to https://build.pub.meego.com/ somewhere | 13:03 |
| tadzik | or so I think :) | 13:03 |
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| rabit | tadzik: :-) | 13:03 |
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| tadzik | never did that yet, I failed to setup a dev environment | 13:04 |
| juiceme | But then again, I am quite confident it will last fairly well, barring physical wear&tear.And as lonfg as I take frequent backups I need not worry loosing anything experimenting with it | 13:04 |
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| rabit | tadzik: i'll try that on the weekend, have to get back to my work now. plan for today was to get nemo running on the n900, and i'm happy now. | 13:08 |
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| rabit | n900 installation: thanks to all of you for helping me getting nemo up and running on the n900. ;-) | 13:08 |
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| tadzik | rabit: irc-during-work high five! o/ :) | 13:09 |
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| rabit | tadzik: oh, well, i'm freelancing, so i don't have an unhappy boss watching me. :-) | 13:10 |
| rabit | tadzik: once i have the dev setup for ui work up and running, i'll report my results here and put the information somewhere into the wiki, in case it's not all there already. | 13:12 |
| tadzik | rabit: that'd be cool. I once followed somebody's blogpost line by line and it still didn't work for me :/ | 13:13 |
| tadzik | mayhaps someone has a virtualbox image suitable for development, or something | 13:13 |
| rabit | tadzik: o/\o ^5 >_>^ ^<_<, thanks for your help | 13:19 |
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| tadzik | :) | 13:21 |
| tadzik | de nada | 13:21 |
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| jukkaeklund | kulve, btw hint you can ask about Nemo for Nexus 7 from yunta here :) | 13:29 |
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| kulve | yunta: ? | 13:40 |
| jukkaeklund | :) | 13:40 |
| yunta | hm | 13:41 |
| yunta | kulve: aren't you actually one of PA developers? | 13:42 |
| kulve | yes | 13:42 |
| kulve | no | 13:42 |
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| yunta | identity crisis? :) | 13:42 |
| kulve | I've worked with the tegra3 HA (misread the PA first :) | 13:42 |
| kulve | rcg has been working with the PA and I've helped where could | 13:43 |
| yunta | so you worked with tegra3 ha that pa uses? | 13:43 |
| kulve | yes | 13:43 |
| yunta | nice, thanks :) | 13:43 |
| yunta | did you try building nemo on top of that ha? | 13:43 |
| kulve | and I did build the nemo earlier on top of that HA and it worked quite well | 13:43 |
| yunta | ah, ok | 13:44 |
| kulve | so I don't really expect there to be many problems building it | 13:44 |
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| yunta | can you share your ks? | 13:44 |
| kulve | I need to change it to use b.m.o instead of cobs and change the package names. Not a big thing though. I'll do that later today and ping you then | 13:46 |
| yunta | ah, ok, no hurry | 13:46 |
| yunta | it's for jukkaeklund anyways ;) | 13:46 |
| kulve | but are you happy with the .ks? You don't need a tar ball? | 13:47 |
| jukkaeklund | nah its for the world :) | 13:47 |
| jukkaeklund | thx in advance | 13:47 |
| yunta | if it's for public then tarball would be better | 13:48 |
| kulve | well, I'll start with the .ks :) | 13:48 |
| jukkaeklund | yeah ready made snapshot to be put to images.formeego.org for example along with .ks | 13:48 |
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| kulve | Sage: where are the kickstart files for the nemo? I though I had the right ones but they are still pointing to cobs instead of b.m.o? | 14:15 |
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| sledges | kulve, a week ago Sage produced Nemo img on mer-next for testing - even that one was still pointing to COBS | 14:38 |
| sledges | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp | 14:39 |
| kulve | hmmm.. | 14:39 |
| sledges | so the transition is not yet finalised methinks | 14:40 |
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| kulve | ok | 14:41 |
| kulve | I'm creating an image based on the kickstarts I have then | 14:41 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7609 Accepted promotion request | 14:52 |
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| sledges | quiet times in here (=busy) | 15:12 |
| sledges | CES, w00t is in Australia, is there CES, too? :) | 15:12 |
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| cypa | sledges, I am here ;) hello | 15:31 |
| sledges | hi cypa :) | 15:32 |
| cypa | first thing - could I use skype on nemo? | 15:32 |
| sledges | never tested, let me see | 15:33 |
| cypa | I see it is intended for handsets | 15:33 |
| sledges | yes | 15:33 |
| cypa | OK | 15:33 |
| sledges | but a great development toy, running on any hardware Mer can be adapted to ;) | 15:33 |
| sledges | I am now running Nemo on Asus EeePc 1005HA. Image: http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-08.1/images/nemo-handset-i586/ | 15:34 |
| sledges | it is a rolling release, so do not be confused by the date of Novemeber 2011 | 15:34 |
| sledges | *2012 | 15:34 |
| cypa | ok | 15:35 |
| niqt | hi | 15:36 |
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| sledges | hi niqt | 15:37 |
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| cypa | ok, it is rolling | 15:39 |
| niqt | today i'm not entering in ubuntu-phone yet :D | 15:39 |
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| cypa | I see no telepathy-haze, I should build it myself ... | 15:40 |
| cypa | to get ICQ chat support | 15:40 |
| sledges | :)) i stopped going there since no-one really talked any useful stuff anymore (better to track their wiki) | 15:40 |
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| M4rtinK | not much to do until they either release buildable source or images | 15:41 |
| M4rtinK | on the other hand I saw a couple people on the channel learning QML :) | 15:41 |
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| M4rtinK | more QML devs & apps can be handy :) | 15:42 |
| nitqt_ | sledges, yes remember tizen channel | 15:42 |
| sledges | yup, remember helping one out, their HelloWorld QML equivalent is quite neat | 15:43 |
| sledges | (and qt5!) | 15:43 |
| M4rtinK | AKA the idle channel :) | 15:43 |
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| sledges | hey cypa , just launched skype on Nemo :) no sound, but can chat. I think sound could be set up as well | 16:50 |
| cypa | skype-4.1.0.20-fc16 ? | 16:50 |
| cypa | cool | 16:50 |
| sledges | I used a static link for older one (less lib dependencies) | 16:51 |
| cypa | triing to launch it on meego 1.2.0 | 16:51 |
| cypa | indeed | 16:51 |
| sledges | on meego it works fine | 16:51 |
| cypa | ok | 16:51 |
| sledges | on Nemo you'll need to add a repo for skype to work: | 16:51 |
| sledges | `zypper ar http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/sledge:/branches:/home:/rzr:/debian/Mer_Core_i586/ x11-mw` | 16:51 |
| sledges | and perform `zypper in libxss` | 16:52 |
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| sledges | then unpack and launch skype (I used http://download.skype.com/linux/skype_static-2.2.0.35.tar.bz2 feel free to test newer ones) | 16:53 |
| sledges | wow the webcam of Asus EeePc got picked up in skype right away (using /dev/video0 ) well done team ;) | 16:56 |
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| cypa | ok | 17:07 |
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| cypa | OK | 17:07 |
| cypa | I see rather old kernel in nemo image | 17:08 |
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| sledges | cypa, after `zypper ref && zypper dup` (REFresh and Distribution UPgrade) the kernel should reach the later available | 17:11 |
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| sledges | have you installed in on a hardrive yet? | 17:12 |
| cypa | ouh, ok | 17:12 |
| cypa | no, I've got much workload now | 17:12 |
| sledges | sure | 17:12 |
| cypa | think shall do it later, a week or so | 17:13 |
| cypa | ... sad ... | 17:13 |
| sledges | only observing now ;) you can always run live image | 17:13 |
| sledges | and if it's on SD card, you could even risk updating itself :) | 17:13 |
| cypa | OK | 17:13 |
| cypa | no problem | 17:13 |
| cypa | I've free partition for testing | 17:14 |
| cypa | on HDD | 17:14 |
| sledges | sure | 17:14 |
| sledges | just suggesting, as live image doesn't cost that much time if you're busy but impatient now ;), and HDD stays intact | 17:14 |
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| cypa | sure it is, frankly, I have no fast internet connection right now to download image | 17:27 |
| cypa | honestly, it is the reason | 17:28 |
| sledges | I see, one of those things. So it will take a week to download it? :) | 17:29 |
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| cypa | nope, 10-20 hours | 17:31 |
| cypa | maybe put it tonight to download | 17:31 |
| sledges | sounds like a plan | 17:31 |
| cypa | i have 64kbit via UMTS | 17:31 |
| cypa | yes, a plan | 17:32 |
| cypa | cellular plan | 17:32 |
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| sledges | :) | 17:35 |
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| cypa | well, I can take more, but lost job a month ago ... ;( | 17:39 |
| cypa | then on strict economy now | 17:39 |
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| sledges | sorry to hear that .. | 17:40 |
| sledges | now it's time to train Qt/QML ;) new market is coming | 17:41 |
| cypa | OK | 17:42 |
| cypa | things not so bad | 17:42 |
| cypa | there is a lot of offer here, in Yekaterinburg (geographical center of Russia) | 17:43 |
| cypa | and I have some freelance this since 10 jan | 17:43 |
| sledges | /me always tries to aim for most pleasureable positions :) | 17:44 |
| cypa | and I am an admin, no a coder | 17:44 |
| cypa | coding/building just for fun | 17:44 |
| cypa | sometimes | 17:44 |
| sledges | совместить полезное с приятным ;) | 17:45 |
| cypa | ага | 17:45 |
| sledges | yes, one day hobby turns to be a proffesion, great times! | 17:45 |
| cypa | indeed | 17:45 |
| cypa | are you russian speaking? | 17:45 |
| sledges | somewhat, forget it if don't train often | 17:46 |
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| sledges | so what are the goals on your Asus netbook? | 17:47 |
| cypa | win7 always swapping on HDD | 17:48 |
| cypa | 1Gb RAM | 17:48 |
| cypa | meego much better | 17:48 |
| sledges | I use meego there as well, that's how my friendship with meego started in fact from Asus eeePC | 17:49 |
| cypa | and linux is my prefered | 17:49 |
| sledges | and ubuntu netbook remix never worked efficient enough | 17:49 |
| cypa | OK | 17:49 |
| sledges | there is a very nice Russian repo: http://mirror.yandex.ru/mirrors/meego-community/meego1.2 | 17:50 |
| sledges | does wonders! :) | 17:50 |
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| Stskeeps | magic | 18:28 |
| iekku | :D | 18:29 |
| Morpog_PC | awesome | 18:29 |
| iekku | sacrified items | 18:29 |
| lpotter | must be magic to get a double out of an int | 18:31 |
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| timoph | is the last nemo release really from november or has the place to download images changed? | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | nah, we just had some issues | 19:04 |
| timoph | ack | 19:05 |
| timoph | any eta for a new release | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | sage's got a new area for uploading images, at least | 19:07 |
| timoph | git the url in hand? | 19:08 |
| timoph | got | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | he hasnt uploaded anything to it yet i think | 19:08 |
| timoph | ah | 19:08 |
| timoph | so much for being lazy | 19:08 |
| * timoph builds the image | 19:08 | |
| timoph | :p | 19:08 |
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| M4rtinK | well, isn't zypper upgrade equivalent to installing a new image ? :) | 20:15 |
| sampos | yeah, it takes time though. | 20:18 |
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| kulve | yunta: no .ks today. Got the X.Org running but I guess I missed most of the UI stuff or something. I'll recreate it tomorrow | 20:34 |
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| rcg | hey Venemo_N9 :) | 20:41 |
| rcg | how is it going? | 20:41 |
| Venemo_N9 | fine | 20:41 |
| rcg | great | 20:42 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm planning to move soon to a different flat | 20:42 |
| rcg | bigger/better one? | 20:42 |
| Venemo_N9 | also I finally figured out how to use Qt5's scene graph from C++ | 20:42 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg, not necessaruly bigger one, just somewhere closer to my workplace | 20:43 |
| rcg | nice :) | 20:43 |
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| rcg | both actually ;) | 20:43 |
| Venemo_N9 | rcg, I also don't like sharing the room with someone | 20:43 |
| rcg | aye | 20:44 |
| Venemo_N9 | and to be honest, now I can afford not to | 20:45 |
| rcg | :) | 20:47 |
| rcg | sounds good | 20:47 |
| rcg | a flat is always a good thing to spend money on :) | 20:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | nah, I'm just renting | 20:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | can't afford to actually own one yet :) | 20:48 |
| rcg | imho i doesn't matter renting or not, it's just a thing that's definitely worth to spend money on | 20:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | really? | 20:50 |
| rcg | a nice flat can really improve your living quality | 20:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | it kinda feels like as if they were pulling my teeth. | 20:50 |
| rcg | also moved to a new flat in december last year | 20:50 |
| rcg | also only rented | 20:50 |
| rcg | but i love it already :) | 20:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | I mean, I don't like the prices nowadays | 20:50 |
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| rcg | yeah, prices are a big problem here too :/ | 20:51 |
| tadzik | I rented a flat once, but from the other side of the deal :) | 20:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | :P | 20:51 |
| tadzik | and I didn't like it either :P | 20:51 |
| tadzik | but this is Poland, and the montly fee is probably a price of your hamburger or something | 20:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | really? | 20:52 |
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| Venemo_N9 | I doubt it. | 20:52 |
| tadzik | hehe, I'm kidding of course | 20:52 |
| rcg | ;) | 20:52 |
| tadzik | but I know the prices of beer in Oslo, it's easily 10x-20x of the prices here | 20:52 |
| Venemo_N9 | tadzik, I live in Hungary... I wouldn't think it's that much different | 20:52 |
| tadzik | oh, I just assumed everyone here but me is scandinavian :P | 20:53 |
| tadzik | yeah, it might be somewhat similar | 20:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | tadzik, no. in fact, fk_lx is from Poland also :) | 20:53 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps is in Poland as well, eh? | 20:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | yes, although he is not Polish | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | i think tadzik has met fk_lx | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:54 |
| tadzik | yeah, I know | 20:54 |
| tadzik | Stskeeps: did I? | 20:54 |
| tadzik | oh, the old "synchronize IRC handles with faces" challenge... | 20:54 |
| tadzik | one more reason to make a hackathon :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 20:55 |
| dm8tbr | and I'm polish but live in finland :> | 20:56 |
| Venemo_N9 | yeah, dm8tbr also speaks accentless English | 20:57 |
| dm8tbr | thanks for the compliment :) | 20:57 |
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| Venemo_N9 | I remember you made me try to guess where you are from by your accent | 20:58 |
| tadzik | do they also pronounce your name "oh my goodness"? :P | 20:58 |
| dm8tbr | Venemo_N9: people who are not native english speakers are easy targets for that. ;) | 20:58 |
| tadzik | and to bump SNR, where is this prerelease nemo image? | 20:59 |
| Venemo_N9 | dm8tbr, sometimes. but I failed :P | 20:59 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7613 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7613 | 21:05 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7613 Accepted promotion request | 21:17 |
| yunta | kulve: no problem, apparently jukka doesn't need it for himself anyway | 21:28 |
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| sledges | dm8tbr, your name and surname are no around those countries you just named either ;) | 21:46 |
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| Venemo_N9 | anyway, good night guys :) | 22:11 |
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| tzaeru | when I speak English, I typically end up repeating same thing some ten times. | 22:16 |
| tzaeru | eventually I just give up and write it on paper. | 22:16 |
| tzaeru | "can I have a beer, thanks" | 22:17 |
| tzaeru | another good alternative is wildly pointing at things! | 22:17 |
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