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| Sage | [1;5DVesuri: lipstick-colorful-home should obsolete version 1.5.1 of meegotouch-systemui-volume-fullscreen and also it creq of removing that component from system ui should be added. | 00:12 |
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| Sage | Vesuri: ^ currently installing of the lipstick-colorful-home doesn't remove the meegotouch-systemui-volume-fullscreen as it is newer than the one it obsoletes. Also we should remove te old volume thing at the same time as it should not be used after that. | 00:13 |
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| Sage | Vesuri: otherwise the submit seems okish (orientation change is not working for volume control similar to the notifications) | 00:14 |
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| Hurrian | Jolla just demoed Sailfish to Engadget. It looks pretty slick, but could Sailfish apps run on Nemo? | 12:56 |
| Hurrian | Does Mer specify the versions of Qt and other middleware to be used for each Mer Core version? | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | jolla uses stock mer, which includes qt | 12:56 |
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| Stskeeps | remember, sailfish = sailfish ui + nemo middleware + mer core | 12:56 |
| kulve | Hurrian: sailfish and nemo will be compatible in both ways | 12:57 |
| kulve | i.e. the applications on top of those | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 12:57 |
| Hurrian | On a side note, I can't help but feel the Sailfish UI could use some heavy darkening and blurring for the backgrounds. | 12:58 |
| Hurrian | Helvetica Light on plain images seems like a nightmare to read in daylight, unlike the Black/White contrast scheme used in Blanco/Darko. | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's always a lot of shader stuff that can be done | 13:00 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, overlay rgba(0,0,0,0.85) on top of the background, and that's good. | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not the right person to tell this, but i'm inclined to think you might be right | 13:03 |
| Hurrian | I mean, from the video, even the text doesn't look solid white | 13:05 |
| Hurrian | it looks set by the ambiance, and is actually slightly translucent | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | if you do me a favour to ask this again on the 2nd, i'll bring it up | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | everybody's on holiday atm, so | 13:06 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, will do. | 13:06 |
| Hurrian | Lemme add a sticky to my desktop. | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | you have to love qml and shaders though - fine tuning is so easy | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:07 |
| Hurrian | oh, and they're testing it on the N950, which has a LCD screen, and produces nice colors. should be tested on the N9 too, for dithering (and all the issues with PenTile LED screens) if it still looks good. | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | one of the developer targets is n9 as it's simply easier to have around, but n950 is used as it's an actual hacker device | 13:08 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, hacker device as in falling back to tty if sysuid bombs out? | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | as in you can actually have moslo on there fairly sanely | 13:09 |
| Hurrian | I'll bring them up on the 2nd, probably here or via PM. | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | because of the stupid f***king licensing in the n950/n9 adaptation, it's difficult to do anything with those devices.. | 13:09 |
| Hurrian | Doesn't the N9 have a MOSLO partition too though? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 13:10 |
| Hurrian | mtd5: 02000000 00040000 "moslo" | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but the bootloader doesn't support it in same way | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:11 |
| Hurrian | isn't moslo just some sort of ramdisk? | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | on n950 it's able to dual boot in the field, on n9 not so much | 13:11 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, IIRC juiceme's been working on using the 480MB empty NAND partition as a large rootfs to kexec kernels off of. | 13:12 |
| Hurrian | I mean, it's free space, might as well use it. | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | don't assume it's free, might be mtdswap | 13:14 |
| Hurrian | On devices < 1GB RAM, according to enable-swap.conf. | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | As the final versions of the N9 and N950 both have 1GB RAM, they don't need to swap on the mtd. | 13:15 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, what's the licensing for the N9/50 adaptation? | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 13:16 |
| Stskeeps | Distribution for commercial | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | [22:27] <Stskeeps> purposes not allowed without prior written approval from Nokia. | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | that makes it very difficult for anything to be done on sailfish side | 13:17 |
| M4rtinK | couldn't they just pay them to allow * and be done with it ? :) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | like that'll happen | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:18 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 13:18 |
| M4rtinK | it's not like they are selling them anymore or anything | 13:18 |
| Hurrian | by "commercial purposes", does that mean selling the s/w as a paid upgrade, or supporting it in any official manner? | 13:18 |
| M4rtinK | well, yeah :) | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, sailfish is inherently commercial purpose | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | (imho) | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, distribute it without the Jolla App Store (or whatever it's called) and the bits required to run it? | 13:19 |
| Hurrian | Then it'd be 100% detached from $$$, just like Mer/Nemo. | 13:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, ok, theoretically nemo project could distribute a loader of sorts | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | that contains the bits | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | and installs it into the image afterwards | 13:20 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps: Make the said closed bits like the Google Apps package for unsupported devices: "Installation is the user's decision" | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | .. i can't believe we're back at this after all the discussions we had in deblet times.. | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, bbl | 13:21 |
| Hurrian | Stskeeps, by a "loader" you mean a way of automating the addition of repository and packages from Jolla into Mer to build Sailfish? | 13:22 |
| Hurrian | That could work too, I guess. | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | take existing image, chroot /target rpm -i | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:22 |
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| Hurrian | Stskeeps: back to the issue of Nokia gimping NOLO, again | 13:28 |
| jonwil | whats the problem with nolo? | 13:29 |
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| Hurrian | jonwil, apparently on the N9, it can't be configured to append the MOSLO ramdisk to cmdline | 13:30 |
| jonwil | that sucks :( | 13:30 |
| Hurrian | Since in the case of dual-booting, MOSLO simply kexec's the Harmattan kernel, why not build the MOSLO zImage to point to /dev/mtd4, and put the MOSLO contents into that? | 13:31 |
| Hurrian | heck, with 480MB of space, uncompressed, you can probably throw in an entire recovery system, with a virtual keyboard. | 13:32 |
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| mric | hello everyone, just wondering what is happening with nemo ? no release is nearly 3 months ;( | 14:49 |
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| mric | oooh I can't change the wiki page , but it is outaded aswell. In the Nemo/Status page the last release is not writing even if the last image is in the folder. | 14:51 |
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| khertan | hi | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | evening khertan | 20:52 |
| khertan | what happen to the repository ? | 20:52 |
| khertan | http://repo.merproject.org/nemo:/devel:/hw:/n9xx-common/latest_armv7hl/ | 20:52 |
| khertan | does they migrate elsewhere ? | 20:52 |
| khertan | didn't see anything about it in wiki | 20:53 |
| khertan | hi Stskeeps | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps /obs/ instead? | 20:53 |
| khertan | yep indeed ... just see that .. why my repo list is wrong on device is a good question :) | 20:54 |
| khertan | thx | 20:54 |
| khertan | baseurl=plugin:ssu?rnd&repo=nemo-mw <<< strange base url | 20:55 |
| khertan | :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: so there's no chance of wallet being on own device? | 20:55 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, i'm working on it ... not difficult | 20:56 |
| khertan | just founding a way to store it securely | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | bitcoin needs like 4GB of storage currently | 20:56 |
| khertan | M4rtinK, you don't need to store blockchain | 20:57 |
| khertan | not even download it | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | oh, thats nice | 20:57 |
| khertan | if you trust some third party services | 20:57 |
| khertan | like the light client electrum | 20:57 |
| khertan | (you can also run your own server :) ) | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | and it doesn't compress nicely? | 20:58 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, the things i like about blockchain is that they store an crypted wallet | 20:58 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, anyway p2p will be block by many phone isp | 20:58 |
| khertan | that an huge restriction | 20:59 |
| khertan | :) | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | how about adding bitcoin into contacts? | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | or sharing plugin | 20:59 |
| khertan | i've never works with it | 20:59 |
| khertan | (i ve made some unsuccessfull try in fact) | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 21:00 |
| * Stskeeps likes disruptive technologies, so | 21:00 | |
| khertan | but i ll probably add in near future a way to scan bitcoin qrcode address | 21:00 |
| khertan | and something to share address easily | 21:01 |
| khertan | but before i need to works on storing wallet locally : | 21:01 |
| khertan | :) | 21:01 |
| khertan | aegis is the easy way but exclude nemo/sailfish | 21:01 |
| khertan | :) | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | for the record | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | both modRana and Mieru contain a Bitcoin donation link :) | 21:02 |
| khertan | but not a nice qrcode like this one : http://khertan.net/bitcoin_qrcode.png | 21:02 |
| khertan | :) | 21:02 |
| khertan | yep it s a working qrcode :) | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | it shows a qrcode of the address & you can copy the address to clipboard | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | mine is plan black & white :) | 21:03 |
| khertan | hihi | 21:03 |
| khertan | :) | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | *plain | 21:03 |
| khertan | http://khertan.net/khertan_qrcode.png <<< and the khertan contact qr | 21:04 |
| khertan | it s funny to include logo | 21:04 |
| khertan | :) | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | I plan to include more qrcodes in the future | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | for POI, Mangas (once onlines repos are implemented in Mieru), etc. :) | 21:05 |
| khertan | i plan to use the camera to scan qrcode | 21:05 |
| khertan | but i need to find a lib to do that | 21:05 |
| khertan | doing it in pure python will be slow | 21:06 |
| khertan | or see if i can interact with meeScan | 21:06 |
| khertan | or something else | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | well a QML element for this would be really nice | 21:06 |
| khertan | yep | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | or at least an external app & DBUS interface | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | so if two people have your app | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | one displays the qrcode for something (say a POI, route from A a to B, etc.) | 21:08 |
| M4rtinK | and the other scans it from inside the application | 21:08 |
| khertan | yep | 21:08 |
| khertan | time to go to bed | 21:11 |
| khertan | good night everybody ! | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | good nite ! | 21:12 |
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| Theorbo | Is Mark Dillon (Jolla CEO) from the U.S. originally? | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | he is, marc, not mark, though | 22:36 |
| Theorbo | ah, thank you. I haven't reviewed his "LinkedIn" page. Was he one that came over form the Nokia teams? | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | i think a lot of jolla guys used to work in nokia :P | 22:38 |
| * faenil fingerpoints at Stskeeps | 22:38 | |
| Theorbo | For certain. I was just interested in his background. | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: i never worked in nokia :P | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | subsubcontractor, worst scum | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:39 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, ahaha | 22:39 |
| faenil | good night, for real :D | 22:42 |
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| Venemo_N9 | just tried Nemo on an N900. it's unusable and it sucks. | 23:54 |
| lpotter | heh. you mean 'barely usable' | 23:56 |
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