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| tarantism | Having trouble booting either of the last two images on my N900. FW Error. Sending firmware failed. Any clues? | 13:50 |
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| special | Sage: thanks | 18:38 |
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| fk_lx | hi Sfiet_Konstantin | 18:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi fk_lx :) | 18:42 |
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| juiceme | hi! | 18:54 |
| juiceme | could anybody share a bit of light on how to compile the nemo kernel to n9... | 18:55 |
| juiceme | what I have tried, is; | 18:55 |
| juiceme | git clone git@github.com:nemomobile/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9.git | 18:55 |
| juiceme | then, in scratchbox: make clean ; make mrproper ; make rm581_defconfig | 18:56 |
| juiceme | and finally make -j5 | 18:56 |
| juiceme | but, it will not compile through... I am getting various errors. | 18:56 |
| juiceme | So what am I doing wrong? The vanila N9 kernel compiles OK in my box... | 18:57 |
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| Venemo_N9 | juiceme, sounds like something worth asking on the mailing list | 19:03 |
| juiceme | ah, ok. | 19:03 |
| juiceme | what's the majordomo stanza to join into it? | 19:04 |
| juiceme | is there any HOWTO etc. on building the mer/nemo kernel on various targets... | 19:05 |
| Venemo_N9 | I don't know, sorry | 19:05 |
| juiceme | I mean, I am just assuming that rm581 is the correct target gor N9, as that is same config to build the vanilla Nokia kernel... | 19:06 |
| juiceme | okay. | 19:06 |
| Venemo_N9 | 581?? | 19:06 |
| Venemo_N9 | news to me | 19:06 |
| juiceme | I am here the first time on #nemomobile, is the talk here mostly user-level or developer-level? | 19:06 |
| Venemo_N9 | both | 19:07 |
| Venemo_N9 | I'm a developer, just not a kernel developer | 19:07 |
| juiceme | okay. | 19:07 |
| juiceme | Im mostly kernel&shell developer myself | 19:08 |
| Venemo_N9 | and there're not many people here when it's holidays, that's why I suggested the mailing list | 19:08 |
| juiceme | RM851 yes, that's true. | 19:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | I would've expected RM-696 (since that was the internal name of the N9 IIRC) | 19:10 |
| juiceme | BTW, about the rm581, I myself am not sure why it is that, as the actual HW version is rm696... who knows :) | 19:10 |
| juiceme | yes | 19:10 |
| juiceme | I would assume that is propably designation of a preceeding demo board or something. | 19:11 |
| Venemo_N9 | yeah. | 19:12 |
| Venemo_N9 | who knows | 19:12 |
| juiceme | RE-holidays... This is exactly the best time to do some kernel hacking | 19:13 |
| Venemo_N9 | :P | 19:13 |
| juiceme | I recall Linus himself got the first publishable demo out on christmas holidays :) | 19:13 |
| juiceme | that was back in.. i am not sure, 90 or 91 | 19:13 |
| juiceme | :) | 19:14 |
| Venemo_N9 | :) | 19:14 |
| Venemo_N9 | what brought you to Nemo? | 19:15 |
| juiceme | Usually I dwell in #harmattan | 19:15 |
| juiceme | I am creating a new multi-OS boot loader for n9 | 19:15 |
| juiceme | One target will be Nemo | 19:16 |
| juiceme | and I need to do some cross-checking between the Nemo kernel and Harmattan/Nitdroid kernel | 19:16 |
| juiceme | .... hmm back in a moment... | 19:17 |
| Venemo_N9 | ok | 19:18 |
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| Theorbo | Are there any active developers on? | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | naturally | 21:06 |
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| yunta | is there something wrong with build.merproject.org ? | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, lbt's trying to figure out what's wrong | 21:09 |
| yunta | ok | 21:09 |
| Venemo | hey guys | 21:10 |
| yunta | hi | 21:10 |
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| juiceme | hi again.. | 21:20 |
| juiceme | a, stskeeps, ya can propably answer my q's..? | 21:20 |
| Stskeeps | you can always try | 21:20 |
| juiceme | if ya have logging, see my questions up about an hour ago.. | 21:21 |
| juiceme | but meanwhile i THINK WHAT i AM BOTCHING HERE.. | 21:21 |
| juiceme | oh sorry caps | 21:21 |
| phaeron | yunta: I'll try to debug it , lbt is away | 21:21 |
| juiceme | Is it so that nemo kernel cannot be compiled on scratchbox? | 21:22 |
| yunta | phaeron: as always, not urgent, leave it till monday.... | 21:22 |
| juiceme | do I need SB2 | 21:22 |
| Theorbo | Anyone know what time faenil is usually on? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | juiceme: i don't think any of us uses scratchbox1 anymore, just compile it with a cross compiler (linaro gcc should be fine) and make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE= | 21:22 |
| phaeron | it's been bugging him for a few days and I was busy | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | CROSS_COMPILE=your-cross-compiler-without-gcc-in-the-end | 21:22 |
| juiceme | hmm I have been using scratchbox for ages, compiling baseline N9 kernel and all my binaries there... | 21:23 |
| juiceme | linaro gcc... need to google tahat | 21:24 |
| juiceme | but, I just found info on page https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 which says I need to install SDK & SB2, is that valid? | 21:25 |
| yunta | juiceme: you aren't using sdk vm from wiki, are you? | 21:25 |
| juiceme | no, see I normally develop for harmattan. | 21:26 |
| juiceme | Just now tried to compile the nemo kernel and ran into problems | 21:26 |
| yunta | ok ok | 21:26 |
| juiceme | I use the basic old scratchbox environment | 21:26 |
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| yunta | cool, I'm asking just in case, because kernel actually can't be compiled on that sdk vm :) | 21:27 |
| juiceme | really? The info is not updated there...? | 21:28 |
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| juiceme | stskeeps, is the corrcect package "gcc-arm-linux-gnueabi" in ubuntu? | 21:29 |
| Stskeeps | for example | 21:29 |
| juiceme | so, basically I do not need a chrooted devenv to compile it, just the cross-compiling toolchain? | 21:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 21:32 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the kernel | 21:32 |
| tarantism | anyone know why I can't boot images on my N900? I had no problem back in February but now everything I try fails with a 'sending firmware error'. I'm using uboot. | 21:33 |
| juiceme | yes, the kernel is what I am intresed for now | 21:33 |
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| juiceme | OK thanks stskeeps, now got the build started | 21:46 |
| juiceme | ahh, no, run into same kind of errors I got when I used scratchbox | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | do you have the right branch? | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | there's 3.4 (?) and 2.6.32 which is product kernel for n950/n9 | 21:48 |
| juiceme | is the correct config rm581_defconfig ? | 21:48 |
| Stskeeps | i don't recall offhand | 21:48 |
| juiceme | I cloned "git@github.com:nemomobile/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9.git" | 21:48 |
| juiceme | that's 3.5.something | 21:49 |
| juiceme | :) | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | you probably want to look at git branch -al | 21:49 |
| Stskeeps | i think | 21:49 |
| Theorbo | Could someone who is a regular developer of Nemo explain to me what some future goals are for the platform? | 21:49 |
| juiceme | 3.5.3 it is | 21:49 |
| juiceme | okay | 21:50 |
| juiceme | is that an older kernel branch? | 21:50 |
| Stskeeps | use the older one | 21:50 |
| Theorbo | Is it simply to offer a more open option, built on Mer, for N9/N900/N950 users? Or is it to branch out to other devices, or have no device interest at all? | 21:50 |
| Theorbo | By "no device interest" I mean - only focusing on developing the UX/OS and let individual developers focus on getting it running on various hardware/devices. | 21:51 |
| Theorbo | I'm just interested in some of the goals of Nemo. I intend to do some development for SailFish by producing apps that are related to security and networking. If I find time, I may be interested in supporting Mer/Nemo if there is any need for a security consultant who can also help in general networking development. | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, security'd probably be on mer/nemo mw level anyhow | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | sailfish = mer core + nemo middleware + sailfish ui, so | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | and mer is ported to a lot of stuff, nemo is a little more picky, but can run elsewhere | 21:54 |
| juiceme | hmm... how do I find the "-a1" branch...? | 21:55 |
| juiceme | there exists something like "mer-n9-2.6.32-20121301", though? | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | that's probably one | 21:57 |
| juiceme | I'll try that... it may be a bit oldish? | 21:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's what the n9 runs generally | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| Theorbo | I was not aware that SailFish was using Nemo middleware. I assumed that was all in house for them | 22:01 |
| Theorbo | Thanks for sharing that. | 22:01 |
| Theorbo | I'm behind | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | nah, that'd be silly wouldn't it :) | 22:01 |
| juiceme | yeah, that's right but as nemo is a fresh start sure it needs the latest and most beautiful kernel :) | 22:01 |
| Stskeeps | juiceme: powr management on non-product kernels is always a bitch | 22:01 |
| juiceme | true, though. | 22:01 |
| Theorbo | I was, of course, aware that they were pulling from Mer. I was not aware of Nemo integration. | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't use the UI, but the middleware is there and toolkits | 22:03 |
| Stskeeps | the homescreens' made with nemo middleware's lipstick | 22:03 |
| tarantism | I've tried the 2012-07-02 image and two different SD cards but no luck. I know I could get earlier images to boot. Is there an archive of older images I can try? | 22:03 |
| Theorbo | Thank you | 22:03 |
| Theorbo | I'm really trying to determine if core developers behind Nemo are interested in producing a distribution in it's own right. | 22:04 |
| Theorbo | Meaning, not simply for the sake of projects like SailFish. I hope this is not a completely daft question - I've been out of the mobile Linux loop for a while. | 22:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, it's an UI but i think many are also waiting to see what licensing will be of sailfish UI | 22:04 |
| Theorbo | I'm still on Maemo | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ , and nemo looks quite nice, too | 22:05 |
| Theorbo | Is anyone hoping to run Nemo on a device (be it N9/N50 or something else ported to) their main OS (Meaning Mer+Nemo)? | 22:07 |
| Theorbo | Is that in any way a goal? | 22:07 |
| Theorbo | "as* their main portable OS"? | 22:10 |
| Stskeeps | that's one of the original goals but hardware adaptation on n950/n9/n900 makes it difficult | 22:15 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 22:16 |
| Stskeeps | also, productization is hard with limited resources | 22:16 |
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| juiceme | Ok, now it'd been compiled. tnx stskeeps :) | 22:35 |
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| Venemo_N9 | :) | 23:43 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7581 Rejected promotion request | 23:51 |
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