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| phaeron | true | 00:00 |
| special | ..ah. | 00:00 |
| phaeron | :9 | 00:00 |
| phaeron | :) | 00:00 |
| special | thanks :p | 00:00 |
| phaeron | dbus is so redundant | 00:01 |
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| blam_ | sledges: I wasn't there (asleep at that hour), let me see | 01:00 |
| blam_ | w00t: lipstick-example-home/qml/Launcher.qml uses a GridView, not a PathView. Or am I looking at the wrong file? | 01:02 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:07 |
| faenil | iekku, morning | 04:14 |
| faenil | I still have to go to bed :/ | 04:14 |
| iekku | i would love to | 04:15 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7535 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7535 | 06:28 |
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| PMG | w00t, Sage, spiiroin: some packaging-related changes to timed: https://github.com/nemomobile/timed/pull/2 | 07:10 |
| PMG | Sage: did not put systemd configuration behind config flags, do you still think that would be the way to go? | 07:11 |
| PMG | In addition, did not come up with a way to do this symbolic link in pro file, kept it in spec: ln -s ../%{name}.service %{buildroot}/lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/%{name}.service | 07:14 |
| PMG | My problem with the symlink in (server.)pro file is that the $$(DESTDIR) variable is empty at the time when the ln command is defined, causing the link to be created outside rpmbuild buildroot (which fails) | 07:16 |
| PMG | special: ^ | 07:16 |
| special | not worried about config flag personally | 07:16 |
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| special | Aard asked a similar question the other day.. I'm not aware of a way to add specific commands at 'make install' time with qmake :| | 07:19 |
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| chriadam | special: http://doc.qt.digia.com/qt/qmake-environment-reference.html#installs see the bit about "execute a series of commands" | 07:21 |
| special | ah | 07:22 |
| PMG | special: I experimented with different things with the pro file, and came to the same conclusion | 07:22 |
| special | PMG: see chriadam's link, seems like that may work? | 07:23 |
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| PMG | special, chriadam: will try! | 07:23 |
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| PMG | special, chriadam: adding extra or commands to the target does not fix my problem. I have a installs like this: systemd.path = $$(DESTDIR)/lib/systemd/system | 07:36 |
| PMG | And I would like to do a symlink that uses the path from $$(DESTDIR) | 07:36 |
| special | you should be able to use $$(DESTDIR) in a .extras command, though? | 07:37 |
| PMG | unix:systemd.extra = echo $$(DESTDIR) or systemd.commands = echo $$(DESTDIR) will appear in Makefile as plain "echo" | 07:37 |
| PMG | Tried the same with the actual ln command, with same results | 07:38 |
| PMG | ^ similar results :) | 07:38 |
| special | ah, did you want $(DESTDIR)? | 07:40 |
| special | $$(x) is from the environment at qmake time; $(x) is from the environment during make | 07:41 |
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| PMG | special: I could create the symlink by using $(INSTALL_ROOT), which is by magic (from pro-file POV) available at make install time. Not sure if that is the correct way to go, though. | 09:13 |
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| Sage | oh, there is still build ongoing in cobs | 09:29 |
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| phaeron | yeah somehow it has become slower .. | 09:33 |
| phaeron | or I think next_ got triggered first | 09:33 |
| phaeron | and blocked all latest _ | 09:33 |
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| sledges | good -Friday- morning! | 10:09 |
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| sledges | Sage, it was aggelos_ who experienced vm problems. Haven't checked myself recently | 10:17 |
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| faenil | o/ morning! | 10:22 |
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| sledges | who's unnamed on etherpad atm? ;) http://openetherpad.org/urfxx467L6 | 12:01 |
| * sledges off to lunch | 12:01 | |
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| sledges | sorted and commented on etherpad | 12:52 |
| sledges | thanks to whoever put brilliant "enjoy the freedom" and changed "mold" to "get" - very nice! | 12:53 |
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| aggelos_ | moin | 12:56 |
| sledges | moin aggelos_ :) are you from North Germany? ;) | 12:57 |
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| aggelos_ | isn't moin international by now? on irc at least :) | 12:58 |
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| sledges | :)) it probably has become | 13:01 |
| aggelos_ | sledges: btw, I ordered the n9, but I couldn't get the nemo image to play well w/ my debian unstable virtualbox | 13:01 |
| aggelos_ | the i586-vm image | 13:01 |
| sledges | strange aggelos_ we haven't had problems on VMs lately | 13:03 |
| sledges | which vm version are you downloading? | 13:03 |
| aggelos_ | and yah, when booting to do the installation, it seems the X server kept getting restarted (as the VT would switch every half a minute or so) | 13:03 |
| aggelos_ | I tried these two: nemo-handset-i586-vm-0.20120920.1.NEMO.2012-10-07.1.iso nemo-handset-i586-vm-0.20121101.1.NEMO.2012-11-08.1.iso | 13:03 |
| sledges | were you doing zypper up && zypper ref ? | 13:03 |
| aggelos_ | nope | 13:03 |
| aggelos_ | just followed the installation instructions | 13:04 |
| aggelos_ | i.e., just ran installer-shell | 13:04 |
| aggelos_ | but I didn't have a single clean boot | 13:04 |
| aggelos_ | always some process would SIGILL or SIGSEGV | 13:04 |
| aggelos_ | usually dozens | 13:04 |
| aggelos_ | I had one boot where it was just 1 | 13:04 |
| aggelos_ | using virtualbox 4.1.18-dfsg-1.1 btw | 13:05 |
| sledges | virtual box? | 13:06 |
| sledges | and you followed all instructions: System->Processor->Extended Features: Check 'Enable PAE/NX' | 13:06 |
| sledges | etc | 13:07 |
| sledges | and does your host CPU support SSSE3 extensions ? | 13:08 |
| phaeron | I thought there were i486 nemo vms now | 13:09 |
| phaeron | Sage: ? | 13:09 |
| sledges | there are both flavours, but I remember my i586 not working | 13:11 |
| sledges | hmmmmmm then that's the problem ;) | 13:11 |
| sledges | aggelos_, try i486 | 13:12 |
| * sledges just launched my virtualbox - all nemo testing images are i486 ! :D | 13:12 | |
| Sage | phaeron: yes i486 is witohut SSE3 | 13:13 |
| phaeron | yep | 13:13 |
| phaeron | we ain't no meego | 13:13 |
| phaeron | :D | 13:13 |
| sledges | means we are meego :D | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | oh my | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | my apologies | 13:14 |
| sledges | I have ssse3, but i586 wouldn't have worked I remember | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | I had my cpus mixed up | 13:14 |
| sledges | for some other reasons back in a day | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | this desktop doesn't do sse3 :( | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | shit | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | well | 13:14 |
| aggelos_ | that explains pretty much everything :P | 13:15 |
| sledges | great, job done aggelos_, now onto some good work to do ;) | 13:15 |
| phaeron | unlike meego | 13:15 |
| phaeron | :D | 13:15 |
| Sage | ;) | 13:17 |
| sledges | :)) | 13:18 |
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| aggelos_ | hmm | 13:25 |
| aggelos_ | should I be getting an X server after booting the image? | 13:25 |
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| sledges | can't remember now, but you'll surely get one when installed | 13:30 |
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| aggelos_ | awesome | 13:35 |
| aggelos_ | yah, you don't get X when booting from the image | 13:36 |
| aggelos_ | but it's here now :) | 13:36 |
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| sledges | \o/ | 13:41 |
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| sledges | good looks (FF OS, as seen in a simulator): https://hacks.mozilla.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Simulator-with-sample-apps-3.png | 14:55 |
| sledges | how I came across: https://hacks.mozilla.org/2012/12/firefox-os-simulator-1-0-is-here/ | 14:56 |
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| sledges | Aard, all swipes in harmattan work fine when phone is on the table, in the car, or any other way not well earthed/capacitised | 17:15 |
| Aard | interesting | 17:17 |
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| phaeron | sledges: yes it might have to do with different calibration on lpm mode | 17:21 |
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| sledges | mm, indepth low-level technical bubbles :) what's lpm ? | 18:21 |
| phaeron | low power mode | 18:24 |
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| Sage | phaeron: 7535 seems stuck to me | 19:28 |
| phaeron | will look | 19:28 |
| Sage | also 7507 | 19:28 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7535 Accepted promotion request | 19:33 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7507 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7507 | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: want to discuss technical merits of n7? | 19:46 |
| qwazix | meaning? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | well, as in, a maemo like stack on n7 | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i've been there before in my life, so :) | 19:47 |
| qwazix | I've been trying to see if there's interest for that, brought it up in #maemo | 19:48 |
| qwazix | got mixed responses | 19:48 |
| qwazix | Also asked smoku if he's interested but he isn't | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | i think he got a bit burnt with the whole cordia tablet thing and that there wasn't many contributors | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | so, could you start from the beginning on the proposal, just so we're on same page? | 19:49 |
| qwazix | understandable | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | and i'll pitch in what i know | 19:49 |
| qwazix | I've got a nicely formatted mail | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | sure, that works too | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | i don't follow maemo-* lists anymore, so :P | 19:50 |
| qwazix | with my thoughts in order, give me an address to send it to | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | carsten@merproject.org | 19:50 |
| qwazix | kk | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | i think my carsten@maemo.org still works but i dont use it anymore :P | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | or just carsten.munk@gmail :P | 19:55 |
| qwazix | mail sent (@merproject) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | so, rcg has worked on n7 and gotten moslo ported to it and plasma active up | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | nvidia has a damn good x11 adaptation, with full working dri2 and opengl es2 | 19:57 |
| Stskeeps | there's no reason why cordia wouldn't work on it | 19:57 |
| qwazix | That's why I got excited in the beginning, I hadn't seen rcg's work, but ubuntu runs ok and with hwa so I thought why wouldn't something maemoish | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | nemo supposedly runs too | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:59 |
| qwazix | The guys over at #maemo showed concern that there will be no apps, but every new maemo was like that | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever see w00t's wayland-mantle demo, too? | 19:59 |
| qwazix | hopefully this is going to be the last time we need to start over, having a solid base | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can do any sort of ui on top of mer as you know | 20:00 |
| qwazix | (that was the fremantle-like lipstick homescreen?) | 20:00 |
| qwazix | that would need more effort in porting | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTOXaJiHTY | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | that was one, yeah | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | this is x11 though, that video | 20:01 |
| qwazix | In fact what I love about maemo is that it has both gtk and qt so it makes porting easy | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | i like maemo too, to some extent, but there's too many closed source frameworks tied into the dependency graph :/ | 20:02 |
| qwazix | you can run virtually anything on it pygtk, pyqt, pyside, qtwidget, qml, html/js, gtk c, | 20:02 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: portability too.. | 20:02 |
| lpotter | maemo ony got qt after a few years | 20:02 |
| qwazix | I know | 20:03 |
| qwazix | about the closed bits, they're doing a good job replacing them one by one? takes time though | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | not even hildon input framework was sane - we really tried hard in mer times | 20:04 |
| qwazix | freemangordon suggested we buy hex-ray and decompile the remaining bits so that we can get real maemo on the N7 | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | and at some point you realize your stack is ~4-5 years old | 20:04 |
| qwazix | now even more | 20:04 |
| qwazix | debian etch isn't it? | 20:05 |
| Stskeeps | a weird mismatch | 20:05 |
| qwazix | Now with all the things going on and the money we need for infra I think this project has to go on ice. Except if I manage to do it myself :) | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind if somebody did a re-invention of the usability and workhorse that the maemo ui was | 20:06 |
| aggelos_ | qwazix: decompilation isn't magic | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | did you know jolla's chief designer is the guy behind maemo5 ui? | 20:07 |
| qwazix | Or if I find anybody else with a N7 willing to join | 20:07 |
| w00t | qwazix: what infra? | 20:07 |
| qwazix | really? My expectations grew tenfold just now! | 20:07 |
| qwazix | maemo.org | 20:07 |
| qwazix | with talk being the first to have to be moved | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, in that respect | 20:08 |
| qwazix | in fact we still got 17 days | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: re jolla, martin schuele (chief designer) was principal designer of maemo5 ui, just to fill in the gaps :) | 20:09 |
| w00t | (he's a downright swell guy, too) | 20:09 |
| * Stskeeps still remembers being in copenhagen and getting shown maemo5 ui on a real device | 20:09 | |
| Stskeeps | stripped down homescreen, heh | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | they took community in and showed it on devices, no leaks was done | 20:10 |
| qwazix | I hadn't seen even a video of the N900 when I impulse-bought it. I couldn't be more impressed when I first saw the UI | 20:10 |
| qwazix | I was like, WOW! | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | i kinda miss that community feeling, a mutual trust and real appreciation of community efforts | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | some of the people i met back then, i now work side by side with | 20:12 |
| qwazix | Comparing with 2009 android, iphone and symbian? miles ahead. | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. and then there was a hiccup as things scaled horridly | 20:13 |
| qwazix | Imagine having a N920, N940, N960 out in the market during 2010 | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | maemo summit with harmattan design discussions that sounded like it was just around the corner | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | .. delayed several years | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:14 |
| w00t | ha ha ha. | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | and ari jaaksi badmouthing tracker on stage.. | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | good times | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:15 |
| qwazix | hahaha | 20:15 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: is there a video of that? | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | not sure | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | oh, right | 20:16 |
| qwazix | Is there an image or tut or something for mer on the N7 floating around? Google doesn't give me anything. | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | no video, they forgot to plug in the @%@% audio | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | qwazix: ask rcg | 20:16 |
| qwazix | ok | 20:17 |
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| Stskeeps | this is just a good hint of advice from somebody who's been there: develop not towards a certain hardware, join efforts of multiple hardware efforts | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | and differ only on hw adaptations | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:20 |
| qwazix | Yes that's sane | 20:20 |
| Stskeeps | you could develop this entire thing in a VM | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:21 |
| qwazix | Yes I was thinking about that, it'll sure be easier | 20:22 |
| qwazix | I'm not so much a low-level guy though, and I'm not sure I can do much more than adapt different processes already done by other people to my cause | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | yea, hardware adaptation is a different science | 20:23 |
| Stskeeps | ui is usually where it's at | 20:24 |
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| Stskeeps | i wish we had qml and lipstick when we were doing old mer :P | 20:25 |
| qwazix | So my idea is, get a core that already works, find way to get hildon on core, package the thing, port one app from maemo and document process. Publish everything. | 20:25 |
| qwazix | the "find way to get hildon" part is the scary one | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | if things go right you could probably just do mer core + n7 adaptation +_ take what's in cordia, go from there | 20:26 |
| qwazix | I tried hard to make it work on harmattan but got nowhere | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | it's really not rocket science :) | 20:26 |
| qwazix | No, it's just dependency spaghetti | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | did you ever see how mer looks internally? :P | 20:26 |
| qwazix | and braindamaged hildon/gtk maemo_changes | 20:27 |
| qwazix | internally? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/merbase-noglibclibgcc-nobashdeps.png | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | that's without everything linking to glibc/libgcc and bash for shell script execution | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | for the base itself, no qt involved | 20:28 |
| qwazix | Interesting. I was talking about hildon deps, however. | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know :P | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | hildon's simple compared to this ;) | 20:29 |
| qwazix | and obsolete things like gnome-vfs etcf | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:29 |
| qwazix | etc. | 20:29 |
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| qwazix | It's amazing how everything works so stably in linuxes with so many links. And it's obvious why apple went with "everything bundled together" thing. This would never work on a closed source system, IMO. | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | and it's not really stable, i call my kind of work as distribution jenga for a reaosn | 20:33 |
| qwazix | hahaha | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | i thought about it (hildon) for a while as a hobby project but realized that i've always been playing catch-up with those things and it was time to be ahead :P | 20:34 |
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| Stskeeps | and create the next step instead of always trying to take the breadcrumbs from others and make it work | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:35 |
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| qwazix | True. That's the reason I like nemo. But on the other hand I find the possibility to switch sessions and have a hildon-desktop with working desktop grade apps awesome :) | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | you could really still do that though | 20:36 |
| qwazix | I'll be afk, got to eat something. Later. | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | cya | 20:38 |
| Figure | I tought hildon was dead | 20:43 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7536 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7536 | 21:40 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7537 Rejected promotion request | 21:42 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7540 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7540 | 21:57 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7543 Accepted promotion request | 22:11 |
| * Sage is flooding a bit sry :) | 22:12 | |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7545 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7545 | 22:13 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7540 Accepted promotion request | 22:13 |
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| sledges | yowzer! | 22:16 |
| sledges | :) | 22:16 |
| Sage | :P | 22:17 |
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| Sage | hmmp... phaeron ping :/ | 22:22 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7545 Accepted promotion request | 22:22 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7545 | 22:22 |
| Sage | pah :D | 22:22 |
| Sage | ok nm :P | 22:22 |
| phaeron | patience ! | 22:22 |
| Sage | well, the url for trial build gave me 404 | 22:23 |
| Sage | thus was going to ask | 22:23 |
| * Sage mumbles something about yum mic backend being bad | 22:26 | |
| phaeron | you know where to get the zypper patch :) | 22:28 |
| Sage | still not in mer-tools? | 22:31 |
| Sage | phaeron: you have rpm package of mic and stuff somewhere I could install? | 22:32 |
| phaeron | yea | 22:35 |
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