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| iekku | morning | 05:26 |
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| Sage | morning | 05:43 |
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| timoph | is there a way in the n900 adaptation to tell the screen not to dim/turn off? | 06:07 |
| timoph | I need it to be always on | 06:07 |
| timoph | (and control screen brightness myself) | 06:08 |
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| Sage | timoph: install mce-tool. It has some option to do that | 08:34 |
| Sage | timoph: if it works ;) | 08:34 |
| Sage | haven't tried myself on n900 so hard to say | 08:34 |
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| phaeron | works on n950 at least | 08:50 |
| timoph | Sage: ack. thanks | 08:50 |
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| rabit | I have a question regarding setup of Qt Creator and MerSDK with Nemo mobile. What is the best way to get started as a beginner? I built the Qt version for Mer and and installed the VM image in VirtualBox. Now, when I try to connect from Qt Creator to the running VM (testing the connection), I get the response "VM is not registered". I can connect to the running SKD using ssh -p 2222 root@localhost. | 09:51 |
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| rabit | And connecting by 'ssh -p 2222 mersdk@localhost' works as well. | 09:52 |
| rabit | I'm following the instructions on this wiki page: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Running_the_SDK_VM | 09:52 |
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| sledges | good loaning | 10:07 |
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| rabit | Where do I find the the "SDK Control Center". Following this description: "In the SDK Control Center go to Targets and add a new target." | 10:20 |
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| sledges | rabit, it's on http://localhost:8080 | 10:31 |
| sledges | (on your host for convenience) | 10:31 |
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| sledges | rabit, how is it going with "VM is not registered" ? | 10:44 |
| rabit | sledges: You mean localhost:8080 on the VirtualBox? Do I have to open a port to be able to connect, since I'm using NAT? | 10:46 |
| kontio | you need to configure the port forwarding... see: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Setting_up_and_Networking | 10:47 |
| sledges | rabit, you were to open ports already: ^ | 10:47 |
| rabit | Oh, right, I did that already. So it's running on port 9292. | 10:47 |
| rabit | sledges, the port forwarding is configured, but I don't get anything on http://localhost:8080 | 10:48 |
| sledges | then try on vm | 10:49 |
| sledges | and kontio is right, rabit you should set 8080 forwarding, too | 10:49 |
| rabit | How can I install a console browser or telnet in the sdk on vbox? | 10:54 |
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| sledges | rabit, shell in, `su; zypper in telnet` | 10:59 |
| rabit | sledges, curl -l localhost:8080 within vbox SKD gives me (7) Couldn't connect to host. | 11:00 |
| sledges | ummm | 11:01 |
| sledges | check port | 11:02 |
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| sledges | rabit: curl -l http://localhost:9292 | 11:05 |
| sledges | it's where it runs on vm (from kontio's link above) | 11:06 |
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| rabit | sledges, I've tried that, the same result. | 11:08 |
| sledges | the webserver is in vm under /usr/lib/sdk-webapp-bundle/ | 11:10 |
| * sledges needs to re-login, will check why isn't that launched soon after | 11:11 | |
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| rabit | mersdk | 11:31 |
| rabit | Sorry, wrong terminal. | 11:33 |
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| furikku | hello | 11:34 |
| furikku | I try Mer VM SDK now. | 11:36 |
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| furikku | updated SDK VM from Control Center. cannot connect localhost:8080 after VM rebooted. | 11:40 |
| sledges | same problem here | 11:41 |
| sledges | rabit, furikku: temporary workaround, as root: `cd /usr/lib/sdk-webapp-bundle/; rackup` | 11:42 |
| rabit | sledges, thanks, that works | 11:43 |
| sledges | but qtcreator does not show anything for me under "Mer" tab; how is it for you? | 11:43 |
| sledges | rabit, ^ | 11:45 |
| zhxt | sledges: do you pull the latest version ? | 11:45 |
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| sledges | I presume we all did, didn't we? :) | 11:45 |
| zhxt | aportale had fixed that. | 11:46 |
| sledges | most of us didnt, as they don't know about zypper ref & up (only do it via webapp which hence failed to launch) | 11:46 |
| furikku | sledges: thanks. I saw Control Center. | 11:46 |
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| sledges | rabit, furikku, this will fixer permanently, it is safe to add it: `ln -s /usr/lib/systemd/user/sdk-webapp.service /etc/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/` | 11:52 |
| furikku | sledges: I tried its command and rebooted VM. I saw Control Center from web browser. thanks. | 11:58 |
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| sledges | you're welcome furikku, pleasure to help | 12:02 |
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| rabit1 | sledges, thanks a lot. sorry, i had several phone calls in the past hour. everything is working now, after I used. thanks again! :-) | 12:06 |
| rabit1 | sledges, after I used the quick fix, I meant. :-) | 12:06 |
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| sledges | np, still looking at VM is not registered I am getting | 12:10 |
| sledges | are you? rabit1 | 12:10 |
| sledges | you need to put MerSDK vm as first one in your list of vbox vms | 12:10 |
| sledges | apparently a fix iwill check later | 12:10 |
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| rabit1 | sledges, it's still downloading after i added a new target to the SDK | 12:11 |
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| rabit1 | sledges, you mean MerSDK has to be the first entry in the VM Virtual Box manager window? | 12:14 |
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| rabit1 | sledges, this entry? | 12:22 |
| rabit1 | <MachineRegistry> | 12:22 |
| rabit1 | <MachineEntry uuid="{3a20cdb7-7ef4-43ef-a54f-a3aa3182e70e}" src="/home/user/virtualboxvms/MerSDK/MerSDK.vbox"/> | 12:22 |
| rabit1 | ... (other vbox machine entries) | 12:22 |
| rabit1 | </MachineRegistry> | 12:22 |
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| sledges | rabit1, correct | 12:43 |
| sledges | close all VM's, close vbox manager | 12:43 |
| sledges | move the line to the top, and relaunch | 12:43 |
| sledges | or was it already on the top for you? | 12:44 |
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| rabit1 | sledges, right, i'll do that after the downloads have finished, and report the results here. no, it was the 3rd item. Looks like this is the class for handling the vbox integration, right? ./src/plugins/mer/vboxmanage.cpp | 12:50 |
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| sledges | yes, it is being fixed already, but thanks! | 12:51 |
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| sledges | (it fixed for me) | 12:51 |
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| niqt | are the nemo/harmattan compents in qt5 (nemo) ? | 13:38 |
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| w00t | no | 13:41 |
| w00t | there is a branch that will (with some work) build against qt5 | 13:41 |
| sledges | but possible to have qt5 in nemo (under different prefix) and run qt5 apps this way | 13:41 |
| rabit1 | w00t, do you - by any chance - know why Tizen chose EFL instead of QT/QML for building the ui? I read in a Samsung presentation that efl performance is supposed to be better than Qt, but what would the technical reason be? | 13:42 |
| w00t | rabit1: given my background is as someone who works with (and on) Qt, I don't know the answer to that, but my personal (obviously biased) opinion is that Qt's performance is fine | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | rabit1: i think it's political and NIH syndrome, probably | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | given EFL author works with samsung | 13:46 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 13:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | EFL may have better perf | 13:52 |
| rabit1 | sledges, everything is working now. I added the symbolic link to auto-start the control center, moved the XML entry for the VM in the ~/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml to the first position. Now QTCreate/Mer plugin can connect and launch the VM! Fantastic, thanks so much for your help! | 13:52 |
| rabit1 | sledges, :-) | 13:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but ... does it make it a better toolkit ? | 13:52 |
| sledges | happy to help rabit1 ! code on :) | 13:53 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, thanks, I don't think it's a better toolkit. That's why I was wondering. I haven't done any Qt development in the past, but really liked QML/Qt Quick when I saw first demos of the language and UIs built with it. | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: ncurses beats EFL in performance any time | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:54 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: a console-based mobile touch interface.. hmm.. | 13:54 |
| w00t | :P | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | the real reason is anyway that samsung built UI for LiMo in EFL that became samsung linux platform, now called tizen 1.0 | 13:54 |
| sledges | what was Bada in? | 13:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: well | 13:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | starts to learn QML | 13:55 |
| sledges | lol "Similarly, there is no evidence that bada uses the same or similar graphics stack as the Tizen OS, in particular EFL." | 13:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tuto on qt-project.org (qt doc) is pretty good | 13:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I started QML 2 years ago (after being a hardcore widgets advocate), and now cannot do anyting without it, it is amazing | 13:56 |
| rabit1 | Stskepps, w00t, isn't HTML5 practically a text based UI enriched with some graphics capability? ;-) | 13:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let's say HTML | 13:56 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, right, HTML | 13:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | HTML5 is well ... something that still needs to be defined :D | 13:57 |
| sledges | +1 that's what really angers all html5 evangelists - it is not standartised, and we are facing fragmentation times once again | 13:59 |
| sledges | go Qt ;) | 13:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Qt have strong advantages compared to HTML | 13:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 5 | 13:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just to say ... perf | 14:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Qt is closer to graphics engine (and even closer with Qt5) | 14:00 |
| rabit1 | go Qt? That's what I'm doing right now.:-D | 14:00 |
| sledges | easier to learn (having browser wars in mind for HTML5 downside) | 14:00 |
| sledges | yes, "go Qt" as in "go Qt go" :D | 14:00 |
| rabit1 | and much better than the Android/Java stack, in my eyes. | 14:00 |
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| sledges | well, have to admit, google did everything to attract develoeprs of any level, embracing java as easy-to-learn language, and blobbing it into constrained resource systems (phones) | 14:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, the C++ part of Qt is a bit frightening | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and QML, a new language that is a bit strange sometimes is not really attractive | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's the problem of Qt | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but we can see that it is gaining traction | 14:02 |
| rabit1 | i've been doing a lot of development using openlaszlo since 2004, an open source platform using an xml/javascript based approach (declarative) to UI development | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | XML to declare UI is something wrong | 14:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | XAML, we are talking about you | 14:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 14:03 |
| rabit1 | back in 2004/2005 it was a lot better than just doing javascript, or even worse - actionscript 2! | 14:03 |
| sledges | nobody's perfect, though then we need good design patterns and follow clean code .cpp .qml written by gods | 14:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: the only XML "declarative" interface language I ever watched beside QML was XAML, and it cannot be compared | 14:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QML is faster and offer more possibilities | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: yeah, but C++ you know | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not something that companies likes | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | segmentation fault stuff | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | very unproductive | 14:04 |
| sledges | i like it, unless it starts talking templates and signals - looks ugly | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but Qt makes productivity x100 with C++ code | 14:04 |
| sledges | runtime? yes, segfaults is a pain | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what kind of signals ? | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Qt signals are pretty | 14:04 |
| sledges | Qt | 14:04 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, check this demo: http://www.openlaszlo.org/lps_demos/demos/lzpix/app.lzx can be cross-compiled to Flash and JavaScript - and it's an impressive UI | 14:04 |
| sledges | yes, but readability suffers imho | 14:05 |
| sledges | (if written ugly, too) | 14:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: it is bit bad | 14:05 |
| rabit1 | Sun did a mobile proof-of-concept with Laszlo back in 2005/2006. | 14:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you can reproduce that in QML | 14:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in a matter of ... days ? | 14:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: Qt5 connect helps | 14:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | using the compile time identification | 14:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, I love them | 14:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I never felt that it was ugly in any sort | 14:06 |
| rabit1 | using Rhino to load the generated JS into J2ME/PDP and implementing the UI base elements (view, box) in Java. | 14:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but the rule is, of cause, not to abuse of them | 14:06 |
| sledges | hence again, we need to concentrate on Qt QA to address cpp issues, and purify it. Qt experts are the main hope, and good books maybe | 14:06 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: what kind of C++ issues ? | 14:06 |
| rabit1 | Feels a lot like the approach of Qt/QML, but that was a long time ago. | 14:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 14:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: sadly, I never hread of this toolkit | 14:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sounds promising however | 14:07 |
| sledges | segfaults | 14:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | some years ago, there were many toolkit that were promising actually, but now, natural selection was done, and only a few "survived" | 14:08 |
| sledges | bad coding practices | 14:08 |
| sledges | readability | 14:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Qt helps you to clean bad practices and segfaults | 14:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | look at the implicitely shared Qt objects | 14:08 |
| cos- | few years ago i did some html5 application development at nokia for harmattan, but i'm really glad they decided to use qml instead. it was a pain to develop on. | 14:08 |
| rabit1 | Well, Laszlo lost the RIA platform war. Adobe copied the ideas behind openlaszlo and created Flex, Microsoft XAML. The QML syntax reminds me of the old syntax for F3, which was the basis for JavaFX. | 14:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no more allocation on the stack | 14:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QML was mostly from EFL IIRC | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 14:09 |
| rabit1 | https://blogs.oracle.com/chrisoliver/entry/f3 | 14:09 |
| sledges | so, if coding pure Qt without too much legacy logic, all looks bright and beautiful Sfiet_Konstantin; companies, let's embrace Qt ;) | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 3 years ago there were GTK, Qt, wxWidgets, EFL and stuff | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | today, what's left ? | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GTK and Qt ? and I'm really doubting that GTK will be as supported as Qt | 14:09 |
| sledges | if there was no gimp or gnome anymore - they are holding gtk together | 14:10 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, have you ever tried to load larger JS libraries into a Qt Quick/QML app? | 14:10 |
| sledges | hence the name - the Gimp Tool Kit ;) | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: WOO ? F3 really ressemble to QML | 14:10 |
| niqt | this morning i write this on Qt/qml http://tiny.cc/3l9xow | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: I never use JS in QML, or only very small snippets | 14:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I bridge with C++ code | 14:10 |
| cos- | gtk is also pain to develop on, i don't understand why people still use it | 14:11 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, F3 was very cool, until Sun acquired the technology - and now Oracle dropped the object notation in favor of XML!!!! | 14:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niqt: what kind of benchmark do you want ? | 14:11 |
| niqt | speed | 14:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: that's sad | 14:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niqt: what kind of speed ? | 14:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you are building a FB app (let's say) | 14:11 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | the speed in parsing and displaying will be damped by the DL time | 14:12 |
| sledges | on the other hand - how can you use KDE ? it's too heavy! (sorry to say that KDE:PA is, too) | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: use KDE where ? | 14:12 |
| sledges | if someone likes unity (OMG), the rest majority use gnome.. so someone has to develop gtk | 14:12 |
| sledges | on a desktop | 14:12 |
| sledges | KDE:PA on tablets | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Actually, I'm watching their Platform 11 project | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or KF5 now | 14:13 |
| sledges | interesting! | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they are simply gonna provide a lot of stuff back to Qt | 14:13 |
| sledges | but i think KDE is a bad example of Qt infrastructure | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tech like KIO would be really nice | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | their apps and the stack they developed are rather heavy | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 14:13 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, http://docs.oracle.com/javafx/2/get_started/fxml_tutorial.htm - now we have MXML (Adobe) , XAML, and FXML... - qml has the much better and cleaner syntax. | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niqt: read that http://thndl.com/?12 | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: XML is not bad, but not very easy to read | 14:14 |
| niqt | graphics, execute native api, ecc. I know that Qt is speed (i'm Qt ambassador and fan), but i think that the numbers are good to explain the good of a tecnology (qt, mer, nemo and family) | 14:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the problem is that well ... It is not easy to compare | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe you can write a demo yourself | 14:15 |
| sledges | fps? | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | display some stuff in HTML and the same in QML Quick 2 | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, Quick 2 will kill nearly everything I think ... | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I think the best thing to compare between HTML and Qt is ... time used to write an app | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can write JS in core for both | 14:16 |
| sledges | and gtk for a fight | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and choosing between QML and HTML5 | 14:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GTK3 seems to be neat | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for the small stuff I have seen in it | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but is lacking features. In a world that is going mobile, it is missing mobile friendly stuff | 14:17 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, did you use any books learning Qml/Qt Quick, or just example apps and docs? | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GObject, however, are nice | 14:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: http://qt-project.org/doc/ | 14:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this is rather complete | 14:18 |
| sledges | sure, it will hardly go mobile, so not a player. but if it performs well, might one day popup as an alternative (just like jolla did in the vendor arena) | 14:18 |
| rabit1 | Sfiet_Konstantin, yes, have been using the docs so far, and I'm impressed. | 14:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | If you have a build (or installed) Qt5, this is really neat http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtdoc/gettingstartedqml.html | 14:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I just ran into it yesterday, and Qt5 docs are really pretty | 14:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: alternative for what ? | 14:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for OSS GUI lib ? Sorry but Qt is the major player here | 14:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and what alternative do you want beside a free (0€) + OSS toolkit ? | 14:19 |
| rabit1 | When will Mer start using Qt5? Qt5 requires opengl hardware acceleration, right? | 14:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: or LLVMpipe to provide SW OpenGL | 14:19 |
| w00t | rabit1: you need to understand - mer itself isn't (and doesn't have) a UI | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Qt5 is integrated in Mer | 14:20 |
| sledges | that's what microsoft was for computing devices, then apple came in, then google. | 14:20 |
| w00t | it includes building blocks to create UIs | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: MS was not OSS | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well Google and Apple neither | 14:20 |
| w00t | projects like nemo are where that comes in | 14:20 |
| sledges | i am talking about "is the major player" bit, not oss | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah | 14:20 |
| sledges | and just speculating on whatever comes in a future | 14:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, maybe one day there will be a better toolkit that creates UI and logic code from ... | 14:21 |
| sledges | a crazy coder will port all mobility needs to gtk :D | 14:21 |
| w00t | as for "when will nemo start using qt 5" - well, it's already available, so I guess whenever people start using it | 14:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | from words you say to the computer | 14:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 14:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but not today | 14:21 |
| sledges | project glass ;) | 14:21 |
| w00t | "does qt5 require opengl" - not exactly, but qtquick2 (which is probably one of the main reasons for people in mobile to use qt5) does require opengl es | 14:21 |
| sledges | a vision to see QML in it :) | 14:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: which version of Qt actually ? Did the Mer staff updated to RC1 ? | 14:21 |
| w00t | Sfiet_Konstantin: not yet, a new mer release is happening soon, so it doesn't really fit the schedule | 14:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: when there is glass, I bet that Qt guys will do a port of Qt in it :D | 14:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: I see | 14:22 |
| w00t | sync up with Stskeeps, if you'd like to volunteer, i don't know if anyone else is planning on it | 14:22 |
| sledges | :) | 14:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: I really really want to volunteer, but need to find time :( | 14:23 |
| cos- | it's difficult to find hardware which doesn't have opengl (es) supported today | 14:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cos-: maybe some embedded systems | 14:23 |
| sledges | Bostik @ #mer is packaging qt5(beta) | 14:23 |
| cos- | Sfiet_Konstantin: anything with video output usually has it, even cheapest mobile hw | 14:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dammit | 14:24 |
| w00t | Sfiet_Konstantin: there's no time like the present | 14:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm running into the MerSDK not registered | 14:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: Sadly I first need to think about my future, and I postponed brainstorming on it already several times for the present ... | 14:25 |
| cos- | especially i don't understand why some people whine that unity and other desktop gui's require opengl acceleration. even the most low-end intel gpu's have it. | 14:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: How did you solved "VM not registered !" ? | 14:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | cos-: it is rather badly supported on let's say optimus | 14:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or quite a lot of GPU actually | 14:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even KDE compositing (that seems to be quite good) is very bad on my nvidia card, and is only OK on the intel one | 14:26 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, your ~/.VirtualBox/VirtualBox.xml has to have MerSDK moved to the top of MachinesRegistry nodes | 14:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 14:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, I have the OpenWebOs on top now | 14:27 |
| rabit1 | w00t, thanks for the clarification. I started looking into Mer/Nemo two weeks ago, and read a lot of blog posts and wiki pages to understand the different layers (kernel, os, UI, browser/html integration). i've created some questions on Stackoverflow and added the information I had to the answers, e.g. http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13595559/ or http://stackoverflow.com/questions/13675649/ | 14:28 |
| rabit1 | woot, is there an official diagram describing the software stack, or a wiki page with up-to-date information? if not, i'd volunteer one, update the page with information and maintain it. | 14:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | seriously, server, why are you rejecting my key now, you should'nt :D | 14:29 |
| w00t | rabit1: i'm not aware of one, if you'd like to start one, I'd be happy to help out with questions/whatever | 14:30 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, that fix is done by zhxt , waiting to be put upstream | 14:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks sledges :) | 14:30 |
| sledges | yw | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | annyway | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Mer SDK looks promising | 14:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | better than BB10 one (strangely) | 14:31 |
| sledges | \o/ | 14:32 |
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| rabit1 | thanks for all the answers I got today! Especially sledges for getting the MerSDK up and running! | 14:33 |
| rabit1 | w00t, i'll start by creating a wiki page and an architecture diagram on the weekend, i'll be around here in the irc channel and ask any questions here or in the general mailing mer mailing list. | 14:34 |
| sledges | I thank for henrik_ yunta zhxt from #mer for assisting tackling all those! BTW, if more problems with Mer SDK - ask in #mer fellows ;) | 14:35 |
| rabit1 | sledges, will do, thanks again! :-) | 14:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 14:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | rabit1: for the wiki and stuff, that's cool :) | 14:36 |
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| sledges | +1 | 14:38 |
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| sledges | ok, wiki updated on VM issues | 14:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 14:45 |
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| khertan | Sfiet_Konstantin, bb10 didn't have sdk, it s f***ing eclipse with that javaish things ! | 15:05 |
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| sledges | smells like yocto's bastard children | 15:07 |
| sledges | :D | 15:07 |
| Aard | khertan: seriously? they force eclipse for qt/qml development? | 15:10 |
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| w00t | Aard: yes | 15:16 |
| * Aard is already pissed if someone tries to force me use qtcreator, but eclipse... | 15:17 | |
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| khertan | Aard, yes ... not installable on my desktop | 15:35 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7511 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7511 | 15:57 |
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| cos- | dang, upgrading nemo on exopc causes blinking "Starting Meego" | 17:29 |
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| sledges | kernel broken :{ i486 ? | 17:36 |
| sledges | or i586 | 17:36 |
| sledges | you can interrupt blinking by keep pressing Tab, and then adjust kernel version to load (see under your /boot partition what version is now there) <- cos- | 17:37 |
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| sledges | and hope for the best (not always helped in my experience :)) | 17:37 |
| cos- | sledges: i586. i'll try with different kernel.. | 17:44 |
| sledges | in my case the new kernel was there, but boot loader (extlinux/syslinux) was not updated, and still pointed to a non existing old kernel | 17:45 |
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| cos- | can i access /boot somehow easily without booting a live distro? | 17:47 |
| cos- | or does someone know what is the latest i586 kernel version? | 17:48 |
| sledges | cos-, http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/flailingmonkey:/exopc/MeeGo_Trunk_standard/i586/ ? | 17:49 |
| sledges | I don't know where exopc adaptation is coming from | 17:49 |
| sledges | ah | 17:50 |
| sledges | http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/Adaptation:/x86-generic/Mer_Core_i586/i586/ | 17:50 |
| sledges | kernel-adaptation-pc-3.0.0-4.5.i586.rpm | 17:50 |
| sledges | 2012-Nov-15 05:16:20 so you cos- might have fallen into this time pit :) | 17:51 |
| sledges | cos-, you kernel then would be called vmlinuz-3.0.0-4.5-adaptation-pc | 17:52 |
| cos- | nope, same issue with 4.5 | 17:52 |
| sledges | wonder if its there at all, live distro pending ;) | 17:53 |
| sledges | try | 17:53 |
| sledges | try | 17:53 |
| sledges | vmlinuz-3.0.0-4.4-adaptation-pc | 17:53 |
| sledges | for last resort | 17:53 |
| cos- | 4.4 is the default in the list | 17:54 |
| sledges | :D | 17:54 |
| sledges | gotcha | 17:54 |
| cos- | i'll try with live distro.. | 17:54 |
| cos- | there is vmlinuz 4.5 in /boot | 17:56 |
| sledges | reverting to 4.4 is a good fallback scenario, you can get it from | 17:56 |
| sledges | http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/Adaptation:/x86-generic/Mer_Core-next_i586/i586/kernel-adaptation-pc-3.0.0-4.4.i586.rpm | 17:57 |
| sledges | (Mer Next) | 17:57 |
| sledges | wonder why Mer Core Next has an older kernel than Mer Core ;) | 17:57 |
| sledges | extracting it to /boot and /lib for modules should suffice (always check what you are overwriting) | 17:58 |
| cos- | i think i'll settle for reinstalling and not upgrading | 17:58 |
| sledges | well, it's just one bit more to try ;) | 17:59 |
| sledges | for sakes of all other exopc users (and i586 vm users, and asus eee pc users if any :)) | 17:59 |
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| cos- | it won't help them if i manage to hack my exopc alive | 18:00 |
| sledges | they'll know how to resuscitate theirs if they want to preserve updates | 18:01 |
| sledges | well, the decision is always yours :) | 18:01 |
| sledges | /me is off for a weekend, hope to check back in during it | 18:02 |
| cos- | thanks and have a nice weekend | 18:03 |
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| cos- | nice, my app seems to work fine on nemo | 19:37 |
| special | what app? | 19:37 |
| cos- | siilihai mobile | 19:37 |
| cos- | a web forum reader | 19:37 |
| cos- | packages can be found at http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/vranki/ | 19:38 |
| cos- | i added package repo urls to http://www.siilihai.com/news.html | 19:47 |
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| cos- | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/614366_10151112119736594_1769727782_o.jpg | 19:54 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7503 Rejected promotion request | 20:57 |
| Sage | MSameer: "small fixes" isn't very good .changelog entry you should really add what the changes were about. Accepted the request now though. | 21:03 |
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| RzR | hi faenil | 21:06 |
| faenil | hi RzR :) | 21:06 |
| RzR | had fun w/ sdk ? | 21:06 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7513 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7513 | 21:06 |
| faenil | RzR, which sdk? :D | 21:06 |
| RzR | the one we have to finish :) | 21:06 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7504 Rejected promotion request | 21:07 |
| faenil | eh :) we have to wait, more than finish :D | 21:07 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7509 Accepted promotion request | 21:07 |
| MSameer | Sage: you are correct but i was tired | 21:08 |
| MSameer | Sage: i will take care next time | 21:08 |
| special | Sage: have a moment? I'm really confused about a packaging problem. | 21:08 |
| * RzR waves at Sage _o/ | 21:08 | |
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| Sage | MSameer: thanks. | 21:08 |
| Sage | special: sure | 21:08 |
| special | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=telepathy-accounts-signon&project=home%3Aspecial%3Abranches%3ACE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core_i586 | 21:08 |
| Sage | or well, not actually but I can try to make time ;) | 21:09 |
| RzR | faenil, anyway have u checked that cameraplus app we just built on harmy ? | 21:09 |
| special | libsignon-glib is in the same branch, built fine | 21:09 |
| faenil | nope :O what is it? | 21:09 |
| Sage | special: checking | 21:09 |
| special | it has libsignon-glib.pc, the BuildRequires uses that | 21:09 |
| special | but qmake can't find it. | 21:09 |
| special | I cannot figure out why. | 21:09 |
| Sage | special: missing .pc file maybe? | 21:09 |
| RzR | Sage, just curious is it possible to see how many review are pending ? is https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/7479 in it ? | 21:10 |
| special | Sage: rpm -ql libsignon-glib-devel shows it | 21:10 |
| Sage | RzR: not many clearing the queue atm. mostly | 21:10 |
| Sage | special: pastebin the .pc file | 21:10 |
| special | a local OBS build works, too. | 21:10 |
| * Sage is with quite bad 3G atm. :/ | 21:11 | |
| special | er, not local OBS | 21:11 |
| RzR | faenil, a better camera app , but it depends on aegis ... | 21:11 |
| faenil | RzR, oh, so openmode required? :) | 21:11 |
| MSameer | RzR: cameraplus ? | 21:12 |
| RzR | faenil, the weird thing is that on mine openmode it only starts with sudo ... i'll have to understand this aegis thing | 21:12 |
| MSameer | RzR: where is the build for that ? | 21:12 |
| RzR | MSameer, http://rzr.online.fr/q/cam | 21:12 |
| faenil | RzR, I haven't used harmy recently...so I have not even ever used openmode yet (I know, I'm ridicolous :D) | 21:12 |
| special | Sage: http://pastebin.com/WMDPMF2N | 21:13 |
| faenil | RzR, just spending time on nemo, when I have some | 21:13 |
| RzR | faenil, no your not | 21:13 |
| MSameer | RzR: that is my code BTW :) | 21:13 |
| RzR | faenil, no your not ridiculous ... openmode is for the lazy one | 21:13 |
| faenil | RzR, :) | 21:13 |
| RzR | MSameer, yes been told someone of jalla is guilty of it | 21:13 |
| MSameer | RzR: i was building an alternate n9 camera app (completely open) but my new baby interrupted my progress :| | 21:14 |
| RzR | MSameer, well then i am happy to met you in person | 21:14 |
| RzR | MSameer, because i have some merge request :) | 21:14 |
| MSameer | RzR: that wasn't for Jolla. I started that before joining :) | 21:14 |
| MSameer | RzR: please submit them and i will apply | 21:14 |
| Sage | special: strange | 21:15 |
| RzR | btw if you dont maintain it , maybe you can xfer to this project : https://gitorious.org/harmattan/ | 21:15 |
| MSameer | RzR: currently QML bindings are not really functional and I was planning to redo them | 21:15 |
| MSameer | RzR: i am maintaining it and would love to complete it | 21:15 |
| MSameer | i just got busy | 21:15 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7510 Accepted promotion request | 21:15 |
| MSameer | RzR: and i'd be happy to meet you as well (if you are in helsinki :)) | 21:15 |
| faenil | cool things :) | 21:15 |
| RzR | MSameer, didnt you see my merge requests ? | 21:16 |
| MSameer | RzR: it won't work on nemo unfortunately :( | 21:16 |
| MSameer | RzR: nop | 21:16 |
| MSameer | oh wait | 21:16 |
| MSameer | let me log in | 21:16 |
| MSameer | RzR: oh crap! my mistake | 21:16 |
| Sage | special: I've had similar problem at one point as well but can't recall what was the problem | 21:16 |
| MSameer | RzR: found them | 21:16 |
| RzR | MSameer, https://gitorious.org/cameraplus/cameraplus/merge_requests/4 | 21:17 |
| RzR | MSameer, i plan to rebuild snapshots of it from time to time | 21:17 |
| MSameer | RzR: cool. thanks :) | 21:18 |
| MSameer | RzR: i will check the merge requests and act this weekend | 21:18 |
| RzR | no problem | 21:18 |
| MSameer | RzR: but it's still buggy so be warned ;) | 21:18 |
| RzR | these are raw commits | 21:19 |
| arcean | MSameer, but your app takes awesome photos :) | 21:19 |
| MSameer | arcean: thanks. it's the work that has been put into harmattan (: | 21:20 |
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| RzR | MSameer, you should meet that n9 photographer online | 21:20 |
| MSameer | i tried to get it to work on nemo for n9 but failed miserably :( | 21:20 |
| MSameer | RzR: who is that ? | 21:20 |
| RzR | detkodave | 21:20 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7513 Accepted promotion request | 21:20 |
| RzR | http://500px.com/IIDave/ | 21:20 |
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| RzR | http://500px.com/photo/17510363 | 21:21 |
| MSameer | nice pics | 21:21 |
| Sage | special: everything seems to be in order afaik | 21:21 |
| Sage | special: tried with -j4? | 21:22 |
| Sage | err... without | 21:22 |
| special | internet going down | 21:23 |
| special | -j4 shouldn't matter, it's all qmake | 21:24 |
| Sage | special: add "pkg-config libsignon-glib" and check the output | 21:25 |
| Sage | to .spec that is before the make | 21:26 |
| Sage | eh... pkg-config --debug libsignon-glib | 21:26 |
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| special | Sage: output is correct | 21:29 |
| special | I wonder if it's qmake.. | 21:30 |
| MSameer | RzR: should I ignore the first 3 merge requests and check the 4th only ? | 21:30 |
| Sage | try removing that dependency and if it fails to the next one, and change order? | 21:30 |
| RzR | yes | 21:30 |
| MSameer | ok | 21:31 |
| Sage | special: something strange there or maybe some 0x123 char there? | 21:31 |
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| special | Sage: nope, and same result if I put some other package first | 21:41 |
| MSameer | RzR: what's the problem with using statvfs() to get free space in harmattan ? | 21:44 |
| Sage | time to sleep. good night all | 21:44 |
| special | night | 21:44 |
| MSameer | RzR: and can't we ship both config files and detect the phone model during installation and symlink ? | 21:45 |
| MSameer | I really don't want hw specific workarounds if they can be avoided | 21:45 |
| special | Sage: figured it out; the .pc requires signond, which isn't installed, and that only shows up if you happen to run --exists --print-errors | 21:49 |
| RzR | MSameer, we should talk about it w/ arcean | 21:55 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7511 Accepted promotion request | 21:57 |
| RzR | MSameer, yes lets script detection using lshal and symlink | 21:57 |
| MSameer | RzR: sure but why arcean ? | 21:58 |
| RzR | arcean suggested that packaging and made some testing | 21:59 |
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| MSameer | RzR: if we can drag him into this discussion | 22:00 |
| MSameer | :) | 22:00 |
| MSameer | RzR: I know that native camera uses statvfs() so i know it should work | 22:00 |
| RzR | strace ? | 22:01 |
| MSameer | i worked on n9 camera | 22:02 |
| RzR | great | 22:05 |
| faenil | MSameer, what's the problem in Nemo? | 22:05 |
| faenil | I think we alreayd talked about it, but I don't remember atm :D | 22:05 |
| MSameer | faenil: cameraplus needs camerabin2 and subdevsrc2 | 22:05 |
| MSameer | faenil: and building those need the headers of libomap3camd | 22:06 |
| MSameer | faenil: and those headers are not available | 22:06 |
| faenil | MSameer, which we don't have ... | 22:06 |
| faenil | oh cool | 22:06 |
| RzR | then u should know that I made one pict w/ n950 and it won a small photography competition | 22:06 |
| faenil | just like usual | 22:06 |
| faenil | RzR, oh cool! :) | 22:06 |
| RzR | http://rzr.online.fr/docs/gallery/lazygal/RzR-2012-Fall-n950.html | 22:07 |
| MSameer | faenil: the problem is the camera stuff we have is using subdevsrc1 which was built by Nokia fr us | 22:07 |
| MSameer | faenil: and no more updates :| | 22:07 |
| faenil | I see :( | 22:07 |
| faenil | what about fcam? | 22:07 |
| MSameer | faenil: fcam is different. it doesn't use gstreamer at all | 22:07 |
| faenil | RzR, nice indeed :) | 22:07 |
| faenil | MSameer, I mean, can't you rebase it on that? | 22:07 |
| MSameer | faenil: I tried copying all the camerabin2/subdevsrc2 bits from harmattan but I failed to get it to work | 22:08 |
| faenil | or is it endless effort? | 22:08 |
| MSameer | faenil: but it might be me making some mistakes | 22:08 |
| faenil | MSameer, yeah maybe best idea is to investigate that | 22:08 |
| MSameer | faenil: fcam is a completely different project | 22:08 |
| MSameer | fcam is there to provide precise control over camera | 22:09 |
| RzR | faenil, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=duNgog61a3c | 22:09 |
| MSameer | which is good IMHO | 22:09 |
| MSameer | faenil: if we can get some open camera algorithms library then we can replace omap3camd but I am really not an expert here | 22:09 |
| MSameer | faenil: and of course omap3camd contributed by nokia is a crippled down version | 22:10 |
| MSameer | so no way nemo taken pictures will match the n9 ones :( | 22:10 |
| faenil | RzR, wow | 22:10 |
| faenil | MSameer, mmm :( | 22:11 |
| MSameer | faenil: in theory it should be possible to copy binaries since both harmattan and mer are using the same kernel | 22:11 |
| MSameer | in practice it needs more investigation | 22:12 |
| faenil | MSameer, but it's an update in progress | 22:12 |
| faenil | hopefully soon 3.5.3 will be the kernel | 22:12 |
| MSameer | faenil: what's un update in progress ? | 22:12 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project | 22:12 |
| MSameer | mmm | 22:13 |
| MSameer | i thought we are now using a kernel based on PR 1.3 | 22:13 |
| faenil | yes we are | 22:14 |
| faenil | 3.5.3 isn't ready | 22:14 |
| faenil | it's WIP | 22:14 |
| faenil | we're using PR1.3 kernel atm | 22:14 |
| MSameer | so copying binaries should work | 22:15 |
| faenil | m :/ | 22:15 |
| MSameer | but it didn't | 22:16 |
| MSameer | i am sure i will try again but not now | 22:16 |
| MSameer | i can't trash my nemo every few days | 22:16 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, faenil summons thou | 22:16 |
| faenil | :D | 22:16 |
| MSameer | however, i might be able to do some workarounds | 22:16 |
| MSameer | not sure yet | 22:16 |
| faenil | good :)( | 22:16 |
| MSameer | just waiting to complete cameraplus then i can try to get it to work on nemo | 22:16 |
| faenil | alright :) | 22:18 |
| MSameer | qml bindings are the main broken part now. too bad QCamera cannot be used for what i want to do | 22:19 |
| faenil | ouch | 22:20 |
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