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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7509 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7509 | 02:18 |
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| romaxa | w00t: I'm working on it.. got normal gecko compiled with native chroot.. now working on refactoring of embedding with threaded rendering | 06:33 |
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| niqt | morning all | 07:47 |
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| faenil | o/ | 09:47 |
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| w00t | so.. n9 gps is apparently bcm4751 | 10:57 |
| w00t | kernel driver (quality unknown) apparently located at http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-kernel/2010-October/000740.html | 10:58 |
| w00t | first step would be trying that out | 10:58 |
| w00t | next problem is that the protocol it uses (MEIF) isn't documented in the open | 10:58 |
| sledges | and harmattans gps components are surely closed(?) | 10:59 |
| w00t | i did a bit of hunting around, and found that some people have already done a bit of research there: http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/Broadcom4751GPS | 10:59 |
| w00t | whether or not that applies to the bcm4751 in the n9, who knows - but we might get lucky there | 10:59 |
| w00t | after that... there'll need to be tie-in to qt mobility somehow, presumably through one of the existing gps frameworks | 11:00 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: might be more useful there, i don't know what was used on the n900 for instance | 11:00 |
| sledges | hmm with root `ps ax | grep -i gps` doesn't return anything whilst gps is in use | 11:03 |
| sledges | and email to mer ml talks about n900 which might or might not be it | 11:03 |
| sledges | wonder as well how the "N9 kernel update project news" guys are doing | 11:04 |
| * sledges loves reverse engineering btw, doing this at work atm :) | 11:04 | |
| sledges | thanks w00t for the info, hope to receive Stskeeps ACK that no-one from his team is on the case in Jolla already | 11:05 |
| w00t | sledges: as far as I know, nobody is working on this right now | 11:05 |
| Stskeeps | on gps? no | 11:05 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, what's the gps low-level framework on N9 (as I see it's definitely not gpsd) | 11:07 |
| sledges | ? | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | dont bother investigating that, the stuff harmattan had isn't public | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | go for low level bcm4751 stuff instead | 11:07 |
| sledges | but it's the only working realm. you'll want me to hook immediately to the /dev/ node | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | probably, yeah | 11:08 |
| sledges | though i'll need to validate against the userspace endpoint | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | and then into stuff like gpsd or gypst | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | gypsy | 11:08 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: which of those has a mobility backend? | 11:09 |
| w00t | (I guess you knew, since you had one of them working on N900 right) | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | n900 was tied into nokia stuff | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | liblocation | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | closed source, etc | 11:09 |
| sledges | `ps ax | grep -i gyp` returns nothing | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, nothing's running atm | 11:09 |
| w00t | aha: qgeosatelliteinfosource_gypsy.cpp | 11:09 |
| sledges | on N9, gpsmeefor running, tries to get a fix, so i was wondering what deamon is in effect | 11:10 |
| sledges | gpsmeefo | 11:10 |
| w00t | so, tie it into gypsy, and we'll also then be able to get existing Qt applications using it easily | 11:10 |
| faenil | \o/ | 11:10 |
| w00t | faenil: there's a whole lot of "maybes" and "what ifs" before it gets to that point ;) | 11:11 |
| w00t | so don't get your hopes up just yet | 11:11 |
| faenil | w00t, yeah I can imagine... :) | 11:11 |
| faenil | but at least we have hopes | 11:12 |
| faenil | last info I had is it was almost impossible :) | 11:12 |
| jonwil | so it sounds like there is no N9 version of " | 11:13 |
| jonwil | so it sounds like there is no N9 version of "location-adaptation-rx-51" | 11:13 |
| w00t | faenil: well, the impossible part was MEIF | 11:13 |
| jonwil | available | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 11:13 |
| w00t | jonwil: correct | 11:13 |
| faenil | w00t, oh ok :D | 11:14 |
| jonwil | thats a pitty, its about the only part of the N9(50) that isn' | 11:14 |
| jonwil | isn't otherwise supported by MeeGo/Mer/Nemo | 11:14 |
| w00t | jonwil: well - see above discussion | 11:14 |
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| w00t | i have some hopes that if someone put some time into trying to hack the pieces together, we could get it working with reasonable amount of ease | 11:15 |
| w00t | jonwil: do you have an n9 out of interest? :) | 11:15 |
| jonwil | nope | 11:15 |
| jonwil | I dont | 11:15 |
| jonwil | :) | 11:15 |
| jonwil | Just the N900 | 11:15 |
| w00t | *nod* | 11:16 |
| w00t | i still have my (sadly deceased) one in a box | 11:16 |
| jonwil | btw, I have been messing with ti-omap3-sgx and I dont think reverse engineering it (the 2d parts at least) is anywhere near as complex as some people have made it out to be... | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | 2d parts are easy, probably | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | 3d not so much | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | nobody uses the 2d parts though | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:16 |
| jonwil | Is 3D essential for a working Mer/Nemo environment? | 11:17 |
| w00t | yes | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | practically, yes | 11:17 |
| faenil | what's wrong with ti-omap3? | 11:17 |
| w00t | faenil: it's closed source :) | 11:17 |
| jonwil | so you cant run Mer/Nemo without working GL? | 11:17 |
| faenil | w00t, mmm xD but aren't we already using 3d hw acc in Nemo? | 11:17 |
| w00t | jonwil: yep, no support for no composition | 11:17 |
| faenil | on n950 for example | 11:18 |
| w00t | faenil: yes, through the binary blob you just named there - but binary blobs are a pain, so not having to rely on them if possible is better | 11:18 |
| faenil | sure :) | 11:19 |
| faenil | the world isn't ready for a successful fully opensource phone | 11:21 |
| jonwil | what I do wonder though is why given all the work being done by people on reverse engineering so many other things in the mobile space (including other ARM GPUs) no-one is interested in reverse engineering PowerVR... | 11:22 |
| w00t | jonwil: i've wondered that sometimes | 11:22 |
| * w00t shrugs | 11:22 | |
| w00t | i know i don't have the time or the talent for it | 11:23 |
| jonwil | if I had IDA ARM HexRays I would probably have a go at that (and any number of other things :) | 11:23 |
| jonwil | pitty I dont have a spare 3k to buy it :P | 11:24 |
| w00t | hehe | 11:24 |
| w00t | i try stick to things that happen once a display is up :) | 11:26 |
| faenil | :D | 11:26 |
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| sledges | jonwil, there are always attempts (fuelled by GTA04 project): http://powervr.gnu.org.ve/doku.php | 11:32 |
| faenil | Status | 11:37 |
| faenil | The USSE opcodes have been reverse-engineered, as well as the assembly language decoded. This is an important step forward because this information cannot easily be decoded from simple observation of the data passing through the Linux Kernel Driver. | 11:37 |
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| cheriff | it the .ko open? | 11:38 |
| cheriff | (insofar as it's pretty useless without a corresponding userspace libGL.so, at least) | 11:38 |
| sledges | btw that status is as of October 2011 faenil | 11:40 |
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| faenil | sledges, true that...but it has never been changed...so... | 11:41 |
| * w00t adds GPS notes to https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950 | 11:42 | |
| w00t | jonwil: perhaps you could add your notes to an N900 page there at some point | 11:42 |
| sledges | the link I provided has been updated September 2012, at least some tractions through mailing list. the FSF wiki is just for reference, rarely updated (I just fixed broken link to ml there) | 11:43 |
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| faenil | ok ;) | 11:46 |
| w00t | faenil: btw, did you see https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493 ? | 11:50 |
| Merbot` | Nemo bug 493 in N950-N9 "General phantom device slowness" [Normal,Assigned] | 11:50 |
| w00t | (comment #14) | 11:50 |
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| * faenil reads | 11:51 | |
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| faenil | w00t, wow | 12:00 |
| faenil | nice find indeed | 12:01 |
| faenil | canteen time, bbl | 12:02 |
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| sledges | \o/ for depheating the phantom! | 12:21 |
| sledges | assimilates to one of those one-character-fix problems :) | 12:25 |
| rcg-work | huzza to solving problems :) | 12:26 |
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| phaeron | sledges: gps fixed already ? :D | 12:37 |
| sledges | :D | 12:37 |
| sledges | could you test it please? :D | 12:37 |
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| phaeron | huh. really ? | 12:38 |
| sledges | being sarcastic about me being sarcastic about you being sarcastic? :))) | 12:39 |
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| phaeron | infinite loop | 12:39 |
| jonwil | decided to join the mailing list for the powervr stuff :) | 12:40 |
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| sledges | OpenMoko resurrectors have some things brewing under the bonnet, but they've never mentioned Mer/Nemo/Jolla in their main gta04 ml :) | 12:42 |
| phaeron | sledges: so what do you want me to test (no sarcasm :D) | 12:42 |
| sledges | hope their povervr offspring picks up! | 12:42 |
| sledges | the inexistant fix of gps (no sarcasm :)) | 12:42 |
| phaeron | :o | 12:43 |
| sledges | i was cheering to the N9 phantom sloweness fix as one-character-fix | 12:44 |
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| sledges | RE would need more than one character fixes to arrive there.. :) | 12:44 |
| phaeron | oh , yeah | 12:45 |
| phaeron | one character in assembly means a lot :D | 12:45 |
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| sledges | :) yes, just soothes watching pros at work at jolla | 12:46 |
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| w00t | Venemo: good news, seems there's a fix for bug 493 | 13:16 |
| Merbot` | Nemo bug 493 in N950-N9 "General phantom device slowness" [Normal,Assigned] https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=493 | 13:16 |
| Venemo | w00t: awesome! what was the solution? | 13:16 |
| w00t | see comments on there | 13:16 |
| w00t | #14 in particular :) | 13:17 |
| the-boss | w00t: Error: "14" is not a valid command. | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | bizarre-est issue ever | 13:17 |
| Stskeeps | next after the tearing issue | 13:17 |
| w00t | with those solved, n950/n9 is actually in pretty good shape | 13:18 |
| w00t | i guess the next most annoying items are ofono and connman | 13:18 |
| w00t | so, do i open bugs saying "wifi sucks" and "cell reception keeps going awol" and wait for someone to fix those too? :-p | 13:18 |
| Venemo | hehe | 13:21 |
| phaeron | I looked at "wifi sucks" and it seems we have no power management settings , which might go back to no bearer management | 13:21 |
| Venemo | w00t: are you familiar with the QML components in Qt WebKit? | 13:21 |
| Venemo | w00t: I can't find any sane documentation about the Qt5 version of QtWebKit | 13:22 |
| w00t | phaeron: mm | 13:23 |
| w00t | phaeron: well, it can't just be a qt problem though, e.g. zypper will need to function too | 13:24 |
| w00t | Venemo: not really | 13:24 |
| w00t | Venemo: what's the problem | 13:24 |
| phaeron | w00t: i meant system bearer : iwconfig wlan0 power | 13:24 |
| Venemo | w00t: the API is incompatible with that of the Qt 4.x documentation | 13:24 |
| w00t | phaeron: ok.. how do we fix it? :D | 13:25 |
| phaeron | we need to figure out what should set those power settings , depending on if internet is in use , how much is it in use , battery state | 13:25 |
| phaeron | which could be in connman already for all I know , that's as far as I went | 13:26 |
| phaeron | when I did iwconfig wlan0 power off like Stskeeps said , the wireless was super fast , but the device heated up quickly | 13:26 |
| w00t | phaeron: can you add some notes on https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=590 ? | 13:27 |
| Merbot` | Nemo bug 590 in N950-N9 "Wireless on N950/N9 is slow and unreliable" [Normal,New] | 13:27 |
| phaeron | I can | 13:28 |
| faenil | back | 13:28 |
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| faenil | hey Venemo o/ | 13:49 |
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| faenil | hey, how you doing? | 14:24 |
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| ftonello | guys, anyone interested in a position in CA for embedded linux with qt, contact me in pvt. | 21:32 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#7510 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/7510 | 22:34 |
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| rabit | I have a question regarding setup of Qt Creator and MerSDK with Nemo mobile. What is the best way to get started as a beginner? I built the Qt version for Mer and and installed the VM image in VirtualBox. Now, when I try to connect from Qt Creator to the running VM (testing the connection), I get the response "VM is not registered". I can connect to the running SKD using ssh -p 2222 root@localhost. | 23:02 |
| rabit | And is this the right place to ask such beginner questions? | 23:03 |
| faenil | rabit, yes this is the right place ;) | 23:05 |
| rabit | I'm following the instructions on this wiki page: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Running_the_SDK_VM | 23:05 |
| faenil | though I test on device, so I can't help you :/ | 23:05 |
| faenil | rabit, my advice is to try again tomorrow, which timezone are you in? :) | 23:06 |
| rabit | faenil: thanks, :-) I'm in GMT +1 h (Munich, Germany) | 23:06 |
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| faenil | alright so same as me (I'm in Italy) | 23:07 |
| faenil | iirc xD | 23:07 |
| faenil | most people are active 09:00 - 22:00 | 23:07 |
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| faenil | so you'd better try tomorrow morning, and I'm sure you'll fix your issues ;) | 23:08 |
| rabit | faenil: thanks, I'll try again tomorrow, then. Thanks for your help! | 23:08 |
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| faenil | unless Venemo already has QtCreator working with MerSDK | 23:08 |
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| faenil | Venemo, ^ | 23:08 |
| faenil | rabit, are you using mer-qt-creator with mer branch? | 23:08 |
| rabit | faenil, yes, that's what I did. Followed the steps here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_on_VirtualBox#Getting_QtCreator | 23:09 |
| faenil | mer integration is quite fresh as you can see from the commmits | 23:10 |
| faenil | so I haven't tried it yet | 23:10 |
| faenil | but I'm sure someone will be able to help tomorrow ;) | 23:10 |
| faenil | or maybe special knows something? | 23:11 |
| rabit | faenil, I'll try again tomorrow. thanks, and have a good night! :-) | 23:11 |
| faenil | alright, I'm off to bed too, good night ;) | 23:11 |
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