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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6854 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6854 | 06:15 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6855 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6855 | 07:12 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6854 Rejected promotion request | 07:16 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6856 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6856 | 07:53 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AAdaptation%3Ax86-generic%3ATrial%3ASR6856 " | 08:20 |
| Sage_ | This project currently has no build targets defined. | 08:20 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: when you have time what is the reason for the SR6856 failing above? | 08:34 |
| phaeron | trying to find out | 08:34 |
| Sage_ | ah, thx | 08:34 |
| phaeron | probably timeout while copying | 08:34 |
| * Sage_ hates those | 08:34 | |
| phaeron | but I wasn't in the log channel | 08:34 |
| phaeron | so I have to dig what the process id was | 08:35 |
| phaeron | lbt: can you help there ? | 08:35 |
| phaeron | scratch that | 08:36 |
| lbt | sure | 08:36 |
| lbt | err. OK | 08:36 |
| * Sage_ gets a shield and waits what he did wrong now ;) | 08:36 | |
| phaeron | no it's my wrong this time | 08:38 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6857 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6857 | 08:41 |
| phaeron | not very smart to exclude i586 build trial from a target that only has i586 | 08:44 |
| Sage_ | :P | 08:45 |
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| phaeron | and now https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=CE:Adaptation:x86-generic is blocking it with a broken repo | 08:50 |
| phaeron | kicking that | 08:50 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6857 Accepted promotion request | 08:51 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... what is that broken repo | 08:52 |
| Sage_ | ah, now it seems ok | 08:54 |
| phaeron | repository broken , build not possible | 08:54 |
| phaeron | kicked it | 08:54 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6856 Accepted promotion request | 08:55 |
| Sage_ | phaeron: about the kickstarts etc. maybe repo name :image-configs, or :release-configs ? | 08:58 |
| Sage_ | sry. project name | 08:58 |
| phaeron | product-definitions ? | 08:59 |
| Sage_ | works as well | 08:59 |
| phaeron | lbt: is better at naming | 08:59 |
| Sage_ | I'm mainly pondering if there will be eventually something else as well than kickstart rpm's | 08:59 |
| lbt | :) | 09:00 |
| * lbt needs to add module support to the x86-generic kernel | 09:01 | |
| lbt | then add an out-of-tree module | 09:01 |
| lbt | fun | 09:01 |
| phako | Sage_: w00t: did you guys ever run the qtcontacts-tracker testsuite on nemo? | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: vbox, or what? | 09:01 |
| Sage_ | phako: I haven't at least | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | phako: is it in tests.xml format? | 09:01 |
| lbt | vboxsf for shared folders | 09:01 |
| phako | Stskeeps: yes | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron might know | 09:02 |
| * phako is basically looking for a baseline on current nemo | 09:02 | |
| * phako has some disturbing fails with new tracker | 09:02 | |
| lbt | phaeron, Sage_: have you done anything like that ^^^ ? (whilst it is fun it's not worth duplicating effort) | 09:02 |
| phaeron | lbt: gnereic x86 already has module support enabled last time I checked | 09:03 |
| Sage_ | lbt: I haven't touched the x86 kernel stuff in a long time. phaeron was talking about that | 09:03 |
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| lbt | OK , phaeron good stuff | 09:03 |
| phaeron | lbt: out of tree, not sure you need headers | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: didn't simon bolek work on that | 09:03 |
| phaeron | and the packaging there is still the old insane stuff | 09:03 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I didn't notice - did he? nick? | 09:04 |
| lbt | (and which 'that'? vbox or modules?) | 09:04 |
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| phaeron | phako: I ran all the qtcontacts tests I could find and all of them fail | 09:07 |
| phaeron | phako: I can send you results xml if you want | 09:08 |
| phako | phaeron: qtcontacts or qtcontacts-tracker? | 09:08 |
| phako | but yes | 09:08 |
| phako | mail+mer@jensge.org | 09:09 |
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| phaeron | phako: they're mostly 'su: user user does not exist' | 09:10 |
| phako | phaeron: argh, hardcoded harmattan | 09:11 |
| phaeron | yep | 09:11 |
| phaeron | didn't have time to fix them | 09:11 |
| phako | ok, no need for logs then | 09:11 |
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| phako | phaeron: btw, couldn't find testrunner(-lite), is there anything comparable in mer/nemo? | 09:16 |
| phaeron | phako: in Mer:Tools | 09:17 |
| phako | phaeron: ah, thanks | 09:17 |
| * phako only searched in zypper, should have searched on OBS as well | 09:18 | |
| phako | er | 09:23 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6858 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6858 | 09:23 |
| phako | why is connman dying regularly when I do zypper install? | 09:23 |
| w00t | dying how? | 09:24 |
| w00t | your wireless connection drops, or the process actually dies? | 09:24 |
| phako | process dies | 09:24 |
| w00t | uh. :P | 09:24 |
| w00t | anything useful in journalctl? | 09:24 |
| phako | sec, fighting with its options | 09:25 |
| phaeron | phako: if there are connman or dbus updates then it might die | 09:25 |
| phako | phaeron: nope | 09:25 |
| phako | Oct 02 12:21:18 localhost connmand[249]: Aborting (signal 11) [/usr/sbin/connmand] | 09:25 |
| phako | Oct 02 12:21:18 localhost connmand[249]: ++++++++ backtrace ++++++++ | 09:25 |
| phako | Oct 02 12:21:18 localhost connmand[249]: +++++++++++++++++++++++++++ | 09:25 |
| phako | helpful | 09:25 |
| phaeron | Sage_: please check 6858 | 09:27 |
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| faenil | goooooood morning! :) | 09:33 |
| dm8tbr | vietnaaaaaaaam... | 09:34 |
| faenil | aaaaaaaaa | 09:36 |
| faenil | mmm log server atomic bomb message :D | 09:37 |
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| w00t | kjokinie: can you please see https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=483 | 09:47 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 483 in mce "mce wakes up a lot when interacting with touchscreen" [Normal,New] | 09:47 |
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| phaeron | w00t: does mce also control screen timeout ? that is turns down brightness after some time ? | 09:49 |
| sivang | hey phaeron :) how was vacation? | 09:50 |
| w00t | phaeron: yes | 09:50 |
| phaeron | back from long time o_O | 09:50 |
| w00t | afaik | 09:50 |
| phaeron | w00t: then there is also the issue that it turns it off too fast | 09:50 |
| phaeron | maybe it's running at hyper speed and time goes fast .. :D | 09:51 |
| phaeron | although relativity says that time should go slower | 09:51 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: ok'd | 09:57 |
| phaeron | thx | 09:57 |
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| mruk | hi, I substituted apps' icons in theme (darko) but only some of them changed after reboot | 10:01 |
| mruk | where should I look for the ones that didn't change? | 10:01 |
| mruk | I substituted those in darko with names defined in .desktop files | 10:02 |
| w00t | mruk: icons on the lockscreen? | 10:05 |
| w00t | er | 10:05 |
| w00t | homescreen* | 10:05 |
| mruk | yes | 10:05 |
| w00t | you could be seeing https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=487, then | 10:05 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 487 in Home "Launcher icon search doesn't use current theme" [Normal,New] | 10:05 |
| w00t | or if you mean that some apps don't have an icon in darko.. that's true too | 10:06 |
| faenil | he meant the first one I guess.. | 10:06 |
| faenil | hi w00t :9 | 10:06 |
| faenil | :) | 10:06 |
| mruk | ok, I'll try substitute also in other themes | 10:08 |
| mruk | thanks | 10:08 |
| mruk | faenil: she :) | 10:08 |
| faenil | oops :D | 10:08 |
| w00t | mruk: no.. as in, some applications provide their own icon | 10:09 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6855 Accepted promotion request | 10:09 |
| w00t | the base theme doesn't provide everything since well, we can't anticipate what icons third party apps will require | 10:10 |
| w00t | we should provide them for anything "common" that we maintain though (like contacts, dialer, etc) | 10:10 |
| mruk | even if in .desktop file the icon is defined? | 10:10 |
| w00t | mruk: mmm, can you give me an example please? | 10:11 |
| mruk | heliumreborn.desktop, icon: icons-Applications-browser | 10:12 |
| mruk | I'll first check if I'm not hiting 487 | 10:13 |
| mruk | meaning I'll substitute in other themes | 10:13 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6858 Accepted promotion request | 10:14 |
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| w00t | I have it in darko, blanco, and ce | 10:15 |
| w00t | let's see what installs it | 10:15 |
| w00t | http://qtl.me/Az7.txt | 10:15 |
| w00t | oh, hmm | 10:15 |
| Sage_ | well tehre if fix by special for that | 10:16 |
| Sage_ | w00t: see https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6855 | 10:17 |
| w00t | Sage_: yes, i know (we were talking a lot yesterday) | 10:18 |
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| faenil | w00t, long time no talk, how's life over there? | 10:22 |
| w00t | not terrible | 10:22 |
| w00t | :P | 10:22 |
| w00t | there? | 10:22 |
| faenil | eh, busy with lessons :P but it's ok ;) | 10:23 |
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| faenil | what about you Sage_ ? read on twitter you're having fun there :P | 10:27 |
| Sage_ | fun fun fun. Is there something else in life? ;) | 10:27 |
| kjokinie | w00t: it's the user activity detection (according to spiiroin) | 10:27 |
| faenil | Sage_, :) | 10:27 |
| Sage_ | faenil: yes, having fun and everything goes well. | 10:28 |
| w00t | kjokinie: i'm going to try build with that patch disabled for fun and see what happens | 10:28 |
| faenil | great :) | 10:28 |
| kjokinie | w00t: ok | 10:29 |
| faenil | wow 24 days since last update to gallery...really need to find some time for that | 10:29 |
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| Sage_ | phaeron: http://pastie.org/4896109 eh.. | 10:32 |
| phaeron | that's normal | 10:32 |
| Sage_ | I don't like to see that kind of flood during image build if it is normal :P | 10:33 |
| phaeron | fix multi_c_rehash then :) | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | let's file a bug and fix next reelase | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | and add a -v mode | 10:34 |
| Stskeeps | for verbose | 10:34 |
| * Sage_ files | 10:34 | |
| faenil | oh here's Stskeeps too :) moo Carsten | 10:35 |
| * phaeron mutters "we have bigger issues" | 10:35 | |
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| Sage_ | that wastes time when checking if something broke in image build phase. but sure we have bigger issues | 10:39 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: found the mce problem ;) | 10:40 |
| w00t | kjokinie: I think you might want to evaluate if that patch is strictly necessary | 10:41 |
| Sage_ | w00t: fyi https://github.com/nemomobile/mce :) | 10:42 |
| w00t | Sage_: that's where I found the cause from | 10:42 |
| Sage_ | not sure who will take maintainership of that | 10:42 |
| w00t | kjokinie filed a pull request, I saw a patch that looked suspicious, and reverted it locally | 10:42 |
| w00t | high CPU use gone | 10:42 |
| Sage_ | hehe | 10:43 |
| kjokinie | w00t: those patches are from the OBS package | 10:43 |
| w00t | kjokinie: yes, i'm not blaming you for the breakage | 10:43 |
| w00t | you helped me find the cause, is all I'm saying | 10:43 |
| kjokinie | w00t: glad I could help :) | 10:43 |
| w00t | I hadn't had a chance to look at the package, you made the patches pop up in my inbox ;) | 10:44 |
| faenil | :) teamwork eh? :D | 10:44 |
| phaeron | w00t: does it also fix the fast screen off ? | 10:45 |
| w00t | phaeron: fast screen off? | 10:45 |
| phaeron | was I talking to myself up there | 10:46 |
| phaeron | :D | 10:46 |
| w00t | no | 10:46 |
| w00t | I just didn't quite understand your meaning | 10:46 |
| w00t | but now I have to, so I'm asking for clarification | 10:46 |
| w00t | you were talking about dimming, but I haven't seen any dimming issues | 10:46 |
| phaeron | hmm ok maybe some other issue then | 10:47 |
| w00t | ... dammit, now my device is back to being fast | 10:49 |
| w00t | special: ^ | 10:49 |
| w00t | that's the first time I've been upset about it not being slow, I think | 10:49 |
| faenil | what's this speed issue about? | 10:50 |
| w00t | no clue | 10:50 |
| faenil | I mean, what's the problem :) | 10:50 |
| w00t | it makes things slow with no discernable reason | 10:51 |
| w00t | both low FPS and slow application launching | 10:51 |
| faenil | oh :/ | 10:51 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: started to upload the new images | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | k | 11:04 |
| w00t | faenil: otoh, we're finding some good places to look for speedup | 11:05 |
| faenil | w00t, I see | 11:05 |
| w00t | see recent commits on https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/commits/master for instance | 11:05 |
| faenil | is that a new issue? or something that has always been there? I have never noticed it | 11:05 |
| w00t | don't know | 11:06 |
| faenil | ok | 11:06 |
| w00t | it happened to special, it happened to me yesterday when I rebooted my device, and spontaneously vanished overnight | 11:06 |
| w00t | (it's fast again now) | 11:06 |
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| faenil | :/ | 11:06 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: solar flare! | 11:07 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i'm starting to wonder.. | 11:07 |
| w00t | :P | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: neutrionos pushing the frames -back- in the buffer | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:08 |
| faenil | lol | 11:08 |
| Sage_ | https://github.com/nemomobile/qt-components/commit/4632135d88f0fa87592d2925a01fdfa7260fb0aa | 11:09 |
| Sage_ | I started to ponder if we should put those to tmpfs instead of home dir | 11:10 |
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| w00t | Sage_: didn't fedora introduce a /run? | 11:12 |
| Sage_ | yes they use run. The problem at the time libmeegotouch was moved to home was that /run wasn't writable by user at the time. | 11:13 |
| Sage_ | now there should be /run/$user/ or something iirc | 11:13 |
| Sage_ | anyway we should try to avoid writing anything to the "disk" if possible during boots etc. | 11:14 |
| w00t | aha, so we do | 11:14 |
| w00t | we should do that migration sooner rather than later | 11:16 |
| w00t | as it will make SSU a bit of a nightmare | 11:16 |
| Sage_ | yes | 11:16 |
| w00t | can you please open a bug? | 11:17 |
| Sage_ | yes | 11:17 |
| faenil | gf is calling, see you later guys :) have fun here :P | 11:20 |
| faenil | don't debug too much :) | 11:20 |
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| Sage_ | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=489 w00t | 11:20 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 489 in .Other "[META] Move all the sockets and temporary files to /run/user/<userid>" [Normal,New] | 11:20 |
| w00t | thanks | 11:21 |
| Sage_ | when the socket is moved we need to introduce version dependencies to packages that are using that new location if the location is hardcoded | 11:22 |
| w00t | well ideally we do it all in one creq | 11:22 |
| w00t | change mthemedaemon/components submit both.. etc | 11:22 |
| Sage_ | true, but still so that updates go well we should do version dependencies | 11:23 |
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| Sage_ | i.e., someone updates ux component that has the socket move but the actual mw creates the socket still to old place and breaks stuff | 11:23 |
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| w00t | yes, I know what you mean | 11:23 |
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| Sage_ | so .mabstractdecorator, .m.mthemedaemon, applauncherd.lock ? | 11:26 |
| Vesuri | are such version dependencies possible that prevent a mismatching configuration to exist? | 11:26 |
| Vesuri | I mean "in order to install package B >= 2.0 package A must be >= 2.0 but also if package B < 2.0 package A must be < 2.0" | 11:27 |
| w00t | Sage_: .single-instance-locks, which I think belongs to applauncherd | 11:27 |
| Vesuri | if you can be absolutely sure that A and B get upgraded simultaneously, that's great - in H it wasn't really possible so deprecation just had to be done or things would have breaked | 11:28 |
| Sage_ | Vesuri: Yes, but I'm not sure if we want to do it reverse. | 11:29 |
| w00t | Vesuri: you set dependencies both ways | 11:29 |
| Sage_ | i.e., in that case we would need to do "Conflicts: xyz < 2.0" in qt-components | 11:29 |
| Vesuri | but that's kind of wrong, isn't it | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | and we don't really now which all things break there | 11:30 |
| Vesuri | yeah | 11:30 |
| Vesuri | qt-components should know nothing about which components use qt-components | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | thus I said only the one direction ;) | 11:30 |
| Vesuri | yep, and as said, that doesn't ensure that things don't get broken at some point... | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | in practise qt-components should provide a variable or api that gives other components a way to query the socket location | 11:31 |
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| Sage_ | even a plain define or so | 11:31 |
| Sage_ | hardcoding paths is bad anyway and leads to this kind of issues | 11:31 |
| Sage_ | also in the Mer core maybe also dbus, pulse etc. should write those files under /run/user/ (cc: Stskeeps, tanuk) | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | dbus will do that in user sessions | 11:33 |
| Sage_ | ah, good | 11:33 |
| w00t | there's probably some others in mer core too | 11:33 |
| w00t | qmf writes to /var/tmp | 11:34 |
| w00t | (messageserver-instance.lock) | 11:34 |
| Sage_ | that is wrong as well | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | we should hunt those out ideally. | 11:34 |
| Vesuri | the dependency/breakage issue isn't just about paths though but API/ABI breaks in general | 11:34 |
| tanuk | Sage_: I'm missing some context - is it a problem if pulse doesn't use /run/user? | 11:35 |
| Vesuri | (the path probably could be considered to be part of an api) | 11:35 |
| Sage_ | tanuk: all temporary files like, locks and sockets etc. should be written to tmpfs like /run for system and /run/user/<userid> for user | 11:36 |
| tanuk | Sage_: Pulseaudio puts them under /tmp. Is that good enough? | 11:36 |
| Sage_ | tanuk: what is .pulse-cookie in users home? | 11:37 |
| tanuk | It's an authentication cookie. It's supposed to be persistent. | 11:38 |
| tanuk | (So that you can copy it elsewhere to allow connections from elsewhere) | 11:38 |
| Sage_ | it is created only once? | 11:38 |
| tanuk | Yes. | 11:38 |
| tanuk | It's created whenever it doesn't exist. | 11:39 |
| Sage_ | tanuk: http://pastie.org/4896373 | 11:40 |
| tanuk | Sage_: The runtime directory is a symlink to /tmp/ | 11:40 |
| Sage_ | so it rewrites the link on every boot? | 11:43 |
| tanuk | Yes. | 11:43 |
| tanuk | If it gets broken on reboots. | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | .. | 11:43 |
| Sage_ | I probably regret soon this conversation, but continue still out of interest. | 11:44 |
| Sage_ | :) | 11:44 |
| Sage_ | tanuk: why is that needed there? | 11:44 |
| tanuk | The runtime dir should be in /tmp for the same reason that you want it to be in /var/user instead of the home directory. | 11:45 |
| tanuk | The tmp directory needs to be random. | 11:45 |
| tanuk | In order to find the tmp directory, a non-random symlink is created in ~/.pulse | 11:46 |
| Sage_ | The point here was that we should not write anything that is written during every boot anyway under /home/<user> | 11:46 |
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| Sage_ | to me that non random symlink should be created to /run/user/<userid>/ | 11:47 |
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| Sage_ | to my opinion* | 11:47 |
| Sage_ | as it is rewritten on every boot anyway as the tmp is randomly selected for every boot. | 11:47 |
| tanuk | Yes, it should be there. Pulseaudio should use $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR, but patches don't exist yet. | 11:47 |
| tanuk | This system is the best that was available before /var/user | 11:48 |
| Sage_ | oh... that... We should not hardcode even the /run/user/ but use that var ;) | 11:48 |
| tanuk | */run/user | 11:48 |
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| Sage_ | tanuk: thanks for the reminder ;) | 11:51 |
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| tanuk | You're welcome :) | 11:51 |
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| tanuk | Sage_: So, it's not clear to me whether there's some real practical problem with the symlink rewriting. Does the logic need to be changed *now*? | 11:52 |
| Sage_ | tanuk: no hurry. Just noted runtime data written to home dir and started discussion | 11:53 |
| tanuk | Ok. | 11:53 |
| Sage_ | we should fix that eventually but no rush atm. | 11:53 |
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| Sage_ | go sonera go... network broke 30mins :/ | 12:52 |
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| Sage_ | ok, time to go to run some errands now as the network is so unstable. Lets see in hour or two how it goes. | 13:04 |
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| deztructor | Sage_: is 'nemo-cp-power' a good name for nemo control panel plugin to provide info about power? | 14:41 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: we should decide that naming yes. nemo-cp-X sounds quite good to me | 14:46 |
| Sage_ | our "naming guru" w00t might have ideas ;) | 14:47 |
| w00t | i'm a naming guru? :D | 14:47 |
| w00t | sounds good to me, though | 14:48 |
| deztructor | Sage_: w00t it is short and understandable, also somehow 'compatible' /w previous naming | 14:48 |
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| deztructor | ok, thx | 14:48 |
| deztructor | Sage_: i'll submit 2 packages soon: one - to support ContextKit props access in QML (contextkit-qml) and 2nd - nemo-cp-power - pure QML cp applet :) | 14:50 |
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| deztructor | Sage_: also, 3rd - removing battery applet from meegotouch-controlpanelapplets | 14:50 |
| w00t | deztructor: the first one might be a candidate for nemo-qml-plugins.. idea is to offer C++ => QML plugins for a bunch of different things | 14:51 |
| w00t | (contextkit I mean) | 14:51 |
| deztructor | w00t: u mean there are package /w such name? | 14:51 |
| Sage_ | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugins | 14:52 |
| w00t | deztructor: that's the git repo, it's split into many subpackages | 14:52 |
| Sage_ | that sounds like a good place for it | 14:52 |
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| deztructor | Sage_: w00t is it ok to add contextkit-devel dependency to this repo? | 14:52 |
| w00t | deztructor: yes, i'm fine with it | 14:53 |
| Sage_ | contextkit is in mer core so yes | 14:53 |
| Sage_ | hmmp... we are couple of versions behind in contextkit btw | 14:54 |
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| Sage_ | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/contextkit/blobs/0.5.41/debian/changelog <- we are 0.5.39 atm. | 14:54 |
| deztructor | ohh, qmake again :( i hate it (sorry for emotions :) | 14:54 |
| deztructor | Sage_: i can update it | 14:55 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: sounds good as you have touched it the most recently anyway :) | 14:55 |
| w00t | deztructor: if you need help with it, just ask - it's quite easy to do things with when you know how | 14:56 |
| Sage_ | ok, anyone willing to test new mer-next base nemo snapshot here it is: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20120920.0.2.NEMO.2012-10-02.1/images/ | 14:58 |
| deztructor | w00t: u mean qmake? | 14:59 |
| w00t | deztructor: yes | 14:59 |
| Sage_ | we need to test this today if there are any problems with any of the images so we know if the Mer next is good to go | 14:59 |
| * Sage_ is checking the n950 atm. | 14:59 | |
| deztructor | w00t: i remember it was total bs regarding generated sources and its deps | 15:00 |
| deztructor | w00t: is it handling it gracefully now? | 15:00 |
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| deztructor | w00t: e.g. if my sources are generated in some way and smth. depends on 'em it was a pain to describe it in qmake proj | 15:12 |
| w00t | not sure, i've not run into many of those cases | 15:13 |
| w00t | i'd guess it would work by defining an extra target doing the generation and using foo.depends to depend on that target | 15:13 |
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| mruk | how can I make a screenshot in nemo (on n9)? | 15:41 |
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| Sage_ | mruk: currently easiest way probably is to start widgets gallery -> tools -> screenshot and then use that | 16:23 |
| Sage_ | I would like to see e.g. powerbutton + volumekey combo or something that would do that as well | 16:23 |
| deztructor | w00t: sometimes ago i migrated qtrapids from qmake to cmake because of issues with generated sources, and smth. else (do not remember). I got an impression qmake is very limited: outside c++/moc-generated code compilation it does not work well. Maybe this impression is wrong but 3yrs ago according to my inet searching it was hard to implement correctly handling of anything produced by external tools w/o workarounds | 16:25 |
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| w00t | Sage_: so... want some good news? ;) | 16:38 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: also on exopc touch is broken with libXi 1.6.1 | 16:39 |
| Sage_ | w00t: depends if there is sarcastic touch in or not ;) | 16:39 |
| w00t | no, it is most definitely good news | 16:39 |
| mruk | Sage_: thanks | 16:39 |
| w00t | i did a bit of an experiment.. ripped libmeegotouch out of mthemedaemon (and vice versa, got it in a standalone repo).. file size dropped by around 100kb on the executable, ram use is down by about 5mb | 16:40 |
| Sage_ | .. | 16:40 |
| w00t | the most hilarious bit is that the executable was smaller *before* stripping | 16:41 |
| w00t | :P | 16:41 |
| anYc | o.O | 16:41 |
| deztructor | w00t: pills reducing weight :) | 16:41 |
| w00t | so does that count as good news? ;) | 16:41 |
| Sage_ | w00t: yes :) | 16:41 |
| Sage_ | w00t: what in the mthemedaemon required libmeegotouch? | 16:41 |
| w00t | well, it was rather entwined | 16:41 |
| Sage_ | replaced those bits in mlite or just dropped? Is there lost functoinality or something? | 16:42 |
| w00t | no functionality lost | 16:42 |
| * Sage_ is trying to dig the bad thing on this ;) | 16:42 | |
| w00t | I just ripped the parts it needed out of libmeegotouch into a standalone binary | 16:42 |
| w00t | and since it was basically all theming related, there wasn't much | 16:42 |
| w00t | I think I found a bug in the process too, though | 16:42 |
| Sage_ | it is part of mtf so maybe a feature? ;) | 16:43 |
| w00t | hmm.. | 16:43 |
| w00t | why isn't it broken now | 16:43 |
| w00t | :P | 16:43 |
| w00t | it was polling for CPU informatino very frequently | 16:44 |
| w00t | ah.. it was busy at the time | 16:44 |
| w00t | so never mind that | 16:44 |
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| Sage_ | w00t: yes good news btw :) | 16:50 |
| w00t | hehe | 16:50 |
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| w00t | Venemo: evening | 16:55 |
| Venemo | evening w00t :) | 16:55 |
| w00t | how's life? | 16:55 |
| w00t | special: I think we made the right call on this work :P | 16:58 |
| w00t | stuff seems a good bit faster | 16:59 |
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| Sage_ | what was the story with bluetooth btw. There was a fix sent to n950 but is someone working with cp applet? | 17:15 |
| deztructor | Sage_: rozhkov is working on it | 17:21 |
| phaeron | Sage_: after the firmware loading fix I could enable hci0 and scan | 17:23 |
| phaeron | and device was visible from other side | 17:23 |
| phaeron | that's about far as I tried | 17:23 |
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| Sage_ | hmmp... I can't get bluetooth working on my n950 | 17:31 |
| Sage_ | so /usr/lib/connman/test/test-connman enable bluetooth and then hcitool dev | 17:32 |
| deztructor | Sage_: ru powering it on using connman? it controls rfkill | 17:32 |
| deztructor | Sage_: $ hcitool hci0 up? | 17:32 |
| deztructor | Sage_: sorry $ hciconfig hci0 up? | 17:33 |
| Sage_ | ah | 17:33 |
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| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4898012 so like this :) | 17:37 |
| phaeron | yeah I had to fiddle with connman first and then hciconfig | 17:40 |
| Sage_ | but yes it works which is nice | 17:42 |
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| rozhkov | Sage_: i've made a SR for the plugin https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6863 | 18:22 |
| rozhkov | Sage_: with the update bluetooth should work witjout fiddling with connman-test and hciconfig | 18:23 |
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| Sage_ | rozhkov: should? You didn't test it? ;) | 18:38 |
| rozhkov | Sage_: i did :) it works on my n9 at least | 18:40 |
| rozhkov | though i'm thinking of rewriting the plugin in qml | 18:41 |
| Sage_ | looks ok. I recall I made that hack quite quickly just to fix the builds long timeago | 18:43 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6868 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6868 | 18:48 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6868 Accepted promotion request | 18:59 |
| Venemo | w00t: okay, but there's a lot of crapwork to do these days... makes me quite enervated | 19:03 |
| w00t | :-/ | 19:06 |
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| Venemo | w00t: so what's up with Nemo? | 19:10 |
| Venemo | w00t: I see some contributions to the home screen every now and then | 19:11 |
| Venemo | sometimes I even comment on the code | 19:11 |
| w00t | well.. plenty happening | 19:11 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 19:11 |
| w00t | not even sure i can sum it all up in one sentence | 19:11 |
| w00t | :P | 19:11 |
| w00t | i'm tonight working on removing meegotouch dependencies from mthemedaemon | 19:12 |
| Venemo | use multiple sentences then | 19:12 |
| w00t | haha | 19:13 |
| w00t | well, special and I have been looking at app startup time the past few days | 19:13 |
| Venemo | what have you found? | 19:13 |
| w00t | part of that is enabling use of themedaemon to speed up image loading, which shaves around 400ms off | 19:13 |
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| w00t | and as a nice bonus, also shares images between processes, saving some memory | 19:13 |
| Venemo | nice, nice | 19:14 |
| Venemo | what we really need is to boost QML startup times (especially for qt-components apps) | 19:14 |
| w00t | that 400ms is off of qt-components applications | 19:15 |
| Venemo | 400ms is awesome, but we'd need seconds | 19:15 |
| mruk | I made this with my phone: http://agata.micoton.com/nemoscreen_by_mruk.jpg | 19:15 |
| w00t | we actually don't, when devices are acting properly | 19:15 |
| mruk | how can I make a theme out of that? | 19:15 |
| mruk | is there any documentation? | 19:15 |
| w00t | which is another fun point | 19:15 |
| w00t | performance seems to suck, sometimes | 19:15 |
| w00t | and finding out why is difficult | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: n950/n9? | 19:16 |
| w00t | mruk: looks cool.. talk to Venemo :) | 19:16 |
| w00t | he did the design on the homescreen atm | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | mruk: have you checked the source trees for darko and meegotouch-theme ? | 19:16 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: yes | 19:16 |
| Venemo | w00t: mruk: I wouldn't really call it a design... as I never got the opportunity to finish it | 19:16 |
| Venemo | I'm thinking of taking a week off work sometime to finish it, but I don't have much holidays left. | 19:17 |
| mruk | Stskeeps: no, but I;ll ask yunta to do that :) | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | mruk: also, it might be that there is a theming community on talk.maemo.org | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | as there was a theme switcher | 19:18 |
| w00t | Venemo: well what do you think of mruk's design? | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | and it's similar-ish | 19:18 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: theme switching in the homescreen doesn't work that way | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:18 |
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| yunta | uh | 19:19 |
| Venemo | w00t: mruk: background is nice, the icons are nice, but this bezel and gloss doesn't really fit my idea. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: but icons and such are there? | 19:19 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: noooot all of it really | 19:19 |
| Venemo | w00t: mruk: we also should ask qwazix, he's a designer | 19:19 |
| w00t | that's one reason i'm hacking on theming at the moment | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | mruk, minor comment, i can't see what sheet is open | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | no color or arrow indication | 19:20 |
| yunta | uh, that's my fault | 19:20 |
| * Sage_ is preparing to install new xorg to n950 | 19:20 | |
| yunta | I modded lipstick-colorful-home a bit too much I guess | 19:20 |
| Sage_ | after the sgx fbdev recompiles | 19:20 |
| w00t | Sage_: ooooh | 19:21 |
| w00t | i think i love you | 19:21 |
| w00t | :P | 19:21 |
| * Stskeeps waits for sage_ to start swearing | 19:21 | |
| Venemo | w00t: have you managed to fix that icon loading algorythm in lipstick yet? | 19:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I'm trying to hold back. I promise I try ;) | 19:22 |
| w00t | Venemo: hopefully tonight | 19:22 |
| Venemo | w00t: there's a new bug report on that too | 19:22 |
| w00t | I'm going to get mthemedaemon to do my dirty work for me | 19:22 |
| Sage_ | thumbs up | 19:22 |
| Sage_ | i bet there is api break and it fails ;) | 19:23 |
| Sage_ | .......................................................................................................................... | 19:23 |
| w00t | that didn't sound good | 19:24 |
| * Sage_ checks the code out | 19:24 | |
| Sage_ | fbdev.c:1166:2: error: too many arguments to function 'pScreen->CloseScreen' | 19:24 |
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| w00t | Sage_: what type is pScreen | 19:30 |
| Sage_ | w00t: ScreenPtr | 19:31 |
| w00t | how many arguments is it passing | 19:32 |
| Sage_ | two, and it seems to need only one anymore | 19:32 |
| w00t | yep, checking | 19:32 |
| Sage_ | - return (*pScreen->CloseScreen) (scrnIndex, pScreen); | 19:33 |
| Sage_ | + return (*pScreen->CloseScreen) (pScreen); | 19:33 |
| Sage_ | based on quick search something like that | 19:33 |
| * Sage_ really has hard time finding xorg docs for all of this | 19:34 | |
| w00t | 1f0e8bd5eb1a5539689cfc4f5a6b86b530907ec5 in xserver | 19:34 |
| * Sage_ cheks | 19:34 | |
| w00t | http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:dWvQFWOW9OkJ:cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/%3Fid%3D1f0e8bd5eb1a5539689cfc4f5a6b86b530907ec5+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=no | 19:34 |
| w00t | (fdo seems deadish) | 19:34 |
| Sage_ | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=a0c8716cdca139059e7aec8a3cb75726dd37a4a1 | 19:35 |
| Sage_ | that works for me at least :) | 19:35 |
| w00t | strange | 19:35 |
| Sage_ | pah, http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=1f0e8bd5eb1a5539689cfc4f5a6b86b530907ec5 | 19:35 |
| Sage_ | fbdev.c:1166:2: error: too few arguments to function 'pScreen->CloseScreen' | 19:37 |
| Sage_ | :D | 19:37 |
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| Sage_ | sure... | 19:37 |
| Sage_ | 2 is too much and 1 is not enough :D | 19:37 |
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| w00t | did you also change the close screen function in your thing? | 19:39 |
| w00t | (+ header) | 19:39 |
| w00t | if any | 19:39 |
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| Sage_ | this will take time from me to figure out | 19:42 |
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| w00t | Sage_: i'm happy to help if I can | 19:46 |
| Sage_ | ah | 19:47 |
| Sage_ | I want to try first ;) | 19:47 |
| Sage_ | had to find how to convert screen to screeninfoptr without the index ;) | 19:48 |
| w00t | I wasn't volunteering to do it :-) | 19:52 |
| w00t | I'm happy to *help* | 19:52 |
| w00t | :D | 19:52 |
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| * w00t is busy going crazy over qt-components bugs | 19:53 | |
| Sage_ | I know just saying I want to use my brains for a change ;) | 19:53 |
| w00t | Sage_: btw, if I make an API change in mlite, is there a way we can check what'll break? :) | 19:53 |
| Sage_ | w00t: install to device and see? ;) | 19:55 |
| mruk | Venemo: here is another take: http://agata.mikoton.com/nemoscreen2_by_mruk.jpg | 19:55 |
| mruk | navigationbar looks a little better imho, but still could be better | 19:56 |
| w00t | Sage_: I was hoping you'd say "sure, we can build all dependencies and see what blows up" | 19:56 |
| w00t | Venemo: ^^^ | 19:56 |
| Venemo | mruk: you should talk to qwazix about this | 19:56 |
| Venemo | mruk: question: why do the icons have those weird borders? | 19:56 |
| Venemo | also, why don't we stick to squircles? | 19:57 |
| w00t | we have our own identity | 19:57 |
| mruk | it makes them pop-up from background | 19:57 |
| w00t | (plus we don't want nokia getting too annoyed :p) | 19:57 |
| special | particularly since they took the squircle over to symbian | 19:58 |
| mruk | lol # squircle | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: btw, i'm starting to think i'll probably have to set up a mailing list service for nemo, would design@ be a good one? | 19:58 |
| Venemo | well, I don't like those odd borders. | 20:00 |
| Venemo | sorry :( | 20:00 |
| Venemo | but the home screen will be themeable | 20:00 |
| Venemo | :) | 20:00 |
| mruk | no problem :) | 20:00 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps: I'd rather thing that a forum/blog would be nicer for these kind of things. and there's already qwazix's place for that | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:01 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: but maybe it'd be also good to have a mailing list. I don't see why not | 20:01 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: we definitely do need a nemo mailing list though. | 20:01 |
| Sage_ | w00t: http://pastie.org/4898669 ok, something I missed? | 20:01 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: it's not right that all nemo things go to mer-general | 20:02 |
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| w00t | I think the icons are a definite improvement on what we have now, even if I'm also not sure about the border | 20:02 |
| Venemo | and the rounded rectangle makes them look like a cheap ios/android copy | 20:02 |
| Sage_ | more I read the fbdev-sgx and xorg more I think there is place for code cleanup ;) | 20:03 |
| w00t | Sage_: where can I find the source? | 20:03 |
| special | Sage_: we have a cleanup project called wayland. | 20:03 |
| Sage_ | special: I know ;) | 20:03 |
| Sage_ | thus I just want to fix this error nothing more :) | 20:04 |
| Venemo | oh | 20:04 |
| Venemo | one thing I may have missed to say yet: | 20:04 |
| Sage_ | w00t: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore-next%3Ai586 | 20:04 |
| Venemo | the tab bar is going to move to the bottom of the screen | 20:04 |
| w00t | Sage_: ok, downloading | 20:04 |
| Venemo | that weird triangle (the active indicator) will be relaced with a highlight | 20:04 |
| Venemo | there are many good usability reasons to do these | 20:05 |
| Venemo | and the tab bar will be transculent | 20:05 |
| Venemo | those are the plans for the next iteration | 20:05 |
| Venemo | and of course, we want to make it completely themeable eventually | 20:05 |
| Venemo | anyway, I need to go now | 20:08 |
| Venemo | nice evening guys | 20:08 |
| w00t | Venemo: being a cheap android copy is better than just looking like crap, though (re: icons) | 20:08 |
| w00t | what we have now is inconsistent, all over the place.. | 20:08 |
| Venemo | if I had to vote on style, I'd vote for fremantle-like icons. colorful, and without a specific shape in their background. | 20:09 |
| special | Sage_: pScreen->CloseScreen is a pointer to a function, and the type of that needs to be changed. | 20:10 |
| special | that pointer is still expecting the two argument (int,ScreenPtr) variant | 20:10 |
| w00t | special: but when he didn't change it, it was complaining he had too many arguments | 20:10 |
| w00t | and I think that comes from xserver | 20:10 |
| mruk | Venemo: wouldn't that be difficult to scan and recognize the icon you are looking for? | 20:10 |
| Venemo | it was never difficult on my N900 | 20:10 |
| Venemo | anyway. | 20:11 |
| Venemo | the other option (and yes, you will hate me for saying this) the other option is to go with some minimalistic icons, elegant but without color, like metro style | 20:11 |
| Venemo | without any visual clutter | 20:11 |
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| Venemo | but anyway | 20:11 |
| Venemo | they need to be subtle and consistent | 20:12 |
| mruk | imho colour is important recognition clue | 20:12 |
| special | w00t: "didn't change" what? | 20:12 |
| w00t | special: as in without that patch | 20:12 |
| Venemo | mruk: metro style icons work quite well in monochrome | 20:12 |
| mruk | seriously? | 20:12 |
| Venemo | yes | 20:12 |
| Venemo | those guys are not stupid, they know what they're doing | 20:13 |
| mruk | ok... | 20:13 |
| Venemo | but anyway, as I said: 1) it's going to be themable so anyone can make any theme 2) we should talk to qwazix | 20:13 |
| Sage_ | special: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore-next%3Ai586&repository=next_armv7hl without th epatch | 20:13 |
| Venemo | mruk: but! I greatly appreciate your effort | 20:14 |
| mruk | thx | 20:14 |
| Venemo | and I really like your background | 20:14 |
| Venemo | and the idea to separate the tab bar with a straight line instead of a separate background | 20:14 |
| Venemo | that is a good thought | 20:15 |
| Venemo | mruk: if you are interested, you should also take a look at this: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/ | 20:15 |
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| Venemo | mruk: that's where qwazix and myself post some thoughts about this, and other design related things | 20:16 |
| mruk | yea, I know this, thanks | 20:16 |
| Venemo | oh, sorry | 20:16 |
| mruk | why sorry? :) | 20:16 |
| Venemo | then not sorry! | 20:17 |
| Venemo | :P | 20:17 |
| Venemo | :) | 20:17 |
| mruk | :) | 20:17 |
| Venemo | I really liked fremantle's app menu though: http://caravanuutiset.com/wpe/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/n900_menu.jpg | 20:18 |
| Venemo | sometimes I really wonder, maybe it'd be a better idea to follow the fremantle principles instead of trying to copy harmattan | 20:18 |
| Venemo | who knows. both worked well for me, but I always found harmattan to be less cluttered | 20:20 |
| special | Sage_: ..are you absolutely sure you're building against the same X headers for both of those? | 20:20 |
| Sage_ | special: let me recheck :) | 20:20 |
| Sage_ | that would explain it :) | 20:20 |
| special | in the first one pScreen->CloseScreen is a pointer to a function taking (ScreenPtr) | 20:20 |
| special | in the second, it's a pointer to a function taking (int, ScreenPtr) | 20:21 |
| special | *just* based on the error messages | 20:21 |
| Venemo | so, anyway, I need to go now | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | cya Venemo | 20:21 |
| * Sage_ jumps to a well | 20:21 | |
| Sage_ | special: w00t: let me rebuild it against the proper target and lets see again ;) | 20:22 |
| Venemo | mruk: let's talk about this later :) | 20:22 |
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| special | :p | 20:23 |
| Sage_ | special, w00t: well that is fixed now the next one ;) | 20:29 |
| w00t | Sage_: facepalm :D | 20:29 |
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| Sage_ | \o/ WIN \o/ | 20:38 |
| Sage_ | :D | 20:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: did it link? | 20:40 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: no need to sound so shocked.. | 20:42 |
| w00t | :P | 20:42 |
| * Sage_ throws badger towards Stskeeps | 20:42 | |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:43 |
| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?linkrev=base&package=xorg-x11-drv-fbdev-sgx&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore-next%3Ai586&rev=2 | 20:43 |
| special | yay | 20:43 |
| Sage_ | ok, time to try this all in n950 | 20:44 |
| Sage_ | haven't added any patches to the xorg from old yet but I want to test before those | 20:44 |
| Sage_ | [ 18794.954] Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting | 20:47 |
| Sage_ | \o/ | 20:47 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4898916 | 20:48 |
| special | "at address 0x9" implies a null pointer sort of issue | 20:50 |
| special | under AddScreen | 20:50 |
| special | so somewhere under FBDevScreenInit? | 20:52 |
| Sage_ | #0 FBDevScreenInit (scrnIndex=2020208, pScreen=0x1, argc=<optimized out>, argv=<optimized out>) at fbdev.c:955 | 20:56 |
| the-boss | Sage_: Error: "0" is not a valid command. | 20:56 |
| special | called it :p | 20:57 |
| Sage_ | LOL I had my editor on that line :D | 20:57 |
| special | why is it passing you 0x1 as the pScreen | 20:57 |
| Sage_ | one of the things I was saying that wouldneed cleanup :) | 20:57 |
| Sage_ | ScrnInfoPtr pScrn = xf86Screens[pScreen->myNum]; | 20:57 |
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| Sage_ | that should be: ScrnInfoPtr pScrn = xf86ScreenToScrn(pScreen); now | 20:58 |
| Sage_ | there is a lot more those in the code | 20:58 |
| special | ..they're passing indexes inside pointers? | 20:58 |
| Sage_ | that is part of the huge refactoring needed :) | 20:58 |
| * special shakes head | 20:59 | |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4898980 | 20:59 |
| special | perl -pie? :p | 21:00 |
| special | what could possibly go wrong | 21:00 |
| Sage_ | ok, time to continue this tomorrow :) | 21:01 |
| Sage_ | err.. today ;) | 21:02 |
| w00t | it's still 23:02 in countries that matter | 21:02 |
| w00t | :P | 21:02 |
| lbt | piff .. a mere 22:03 at the meridian | 21:03 |
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| special | it's not even dinner time yet. | 21:07 |
| * special waves a lonely little american flag | 21:08 | |
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| w00t | haha | 21:25 |
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