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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6757 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6757 | 02:26 |
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| Sage_ | morning | 04:02 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6757 Accepted promotion request | 04:50 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: so what was the device mapper issue? | 05:00 |
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| zchydem | Morning | 05:06 |
| Stskeeps | morn zchydem | 05:06 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: someone did nasty things with defines | 05:07 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: okay | 05:08 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: so new gerrit submission fixes the issue in general? | 05:08 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: the line lbt removed that defined the variable also changed the behaviour how %{_sbindir} macro worked | 05:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 05:09 |
| Sage_ | so instead of referring to /usr/sbin/ the %{_sbindir} macro used to point to //sbin/ within that package | 05:09 |
| Stskeeps | that's really nasty | 05:09 |
| Sage_ | so lbt accidently moved the binries without noticing ;) | 05:09 |
| Sage_ | as the macro also "fixed" the %files while fixing the %configure :P | 05:10 |
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| deztructor | lbt: does osc checks runtime package deps | 08:18 |
| lbt | 'check', no | 08:19 |
| lbt | we do an image build as part of our process | 08:19 |
| lbt | that validates installability | 08:20 |
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| lbt | then we ideally run tests on the image | 08:20 |
| deztructor | lbt: hasher has :P | 08:20 |
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| lbt | deztructor: it creates an image after each build - neat | 08:20 |
| lbt | does it run QA regression? | 08:20 |
| lbt | (on the image) | 08:20 |
| deztructor | lbt: it should | 08:21 |
| lbt | 'should' ? | 08:21 |
| deztructor | lbt: i do not know how it handles arm builds | 08:21 |
| deztructor | lbt: it was x86 times when i used it | 08:21 |
| lbt | I think the problem is that it's a bit like saying "does gcc do X" ... the answer is more "gcc is part of a larger suite and that job is handled by another component" | 08:22 |
| lbt | so no, that's not osc's job | 08:22 |
| deztructor | lbt: is there a mock or smth similar? | 08:23 |
| lbt | yes - iirc mock == obs worker/osc build | 08:23 |
| lbt | yep - mock == osc build | 08:24 |
| lbt | except I think osc build is more intelligent for team working | 08:24 |
| deztructor | lbt: e.g. qemu ldd can be one of tests for runtimes deps etc. | 08:25 |
| lbt | ie you can say "use my team rpms which are not in Trunk" | 08:25 |
| lbt | well, what do you mean by "check runtime pkg deps" ? | 08:25 |
| lbt | rpm does autodep | 08:25 |
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| deztructor | lbt: something like: some package uses e.g. qtdbus library, package maintainer has not pointed it in Requires | 08:44 |
| lbt | ah, that's autoreqprov or similar | 08:44 |
| lbt | I think that's part of rpmbuild .. not 100% sure | 08:45 |
| lbt | http://www.rpm.org/max-rpm-snapshot/s1-rpm-depend-auto-depend.html | 08:45 |
| deztructor | lbt: thx! it looks like it is not part of rpmbuild (i am not sure) | 08:46 |
| deztructor | i remember there was some tool for it but do not remember which | 08:48 |
| lbt | erm - that page describes it | 08:50 |
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| deztructor | rpmlint-mini (rpmlint-MeeGo depends on it) download speed is icreadibly slow :o | 08:56 |
| deztructor | it looks strange, it goes from mer-core repo | 08:57 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6753 Rejected promotion request | 10:32 |
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| deztructor | Sage_: lbt if i am trying to access repository corresponding to package in my home branch i get http err 404 0 - not found (i am talking about meego.com obs). Can you help me to understand what is wrong? | 10:53 |
| lbt | did you enable publish ? | 10:54 |
| lbt | by default home dirs are not published | 10:54 |
| deztructor | lbt: aha, by default it is disabled | 10:55 |
| deztructor | lbt: thx | 10:55 |
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| coyo | Stskeeps: so, how stable is nemo? is nemo ready for primetime as a major competitor to android, say? | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, it's a community project | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | but you're welcome to contribute to it to make it so :) | 13:29 |
| * timoph likes the direction where nemo is going atm | 13:30 | |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, it looks quite nice | 13:30 |
| coyo | timoph: what's the direction it's going? | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | coyo: sec | 13:30 |
| timoph | hmmh. how to put this shortly | 13:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRgCzqoEizY&list=UUt3jrWgutwPvS79NfGs9MQQ&index=1&feature=plcp | 13:31 |
| timoph | getting rid of the old meego reference ui bits and trimming other fat as well | 13:31 |
| coyo | timoph: what's wrong with meego? did they screw up the whole "open" part? | 13:31 |
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| Stskeeps | meego's dead | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:31 |
| coyo | oh. | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | meego.com, that is, and harmattan | 13:32 |
| timoph | yep. harmattan != meego | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | meego as a dream isn't | 13:32 |
| coyo | so mer/nemo is what meego is SUPPOSED to be. | 13:32 |
| w00t | timoph: did I show you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJJNmEQiBcg btw? | 13:32 |
| coyo | so, what is the original vision of meego/nemo? | 13:32 |
| Stskeeps | coyo: "hmm. we could do this better" | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:33 |
| coyo | is it as simple as "linux on my mobile phone" or "freedom for the mobile handset"? | 13:33 |
| timoph | w00t: no. looks great | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | coyo: for mer: share effort and realization of what people really used meego for | 13:33 |
| coyo | Stskeeps: i would love to see a pure free software solution for smartphones. | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | for nemo.. open mobile headset | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | but there will always be hardware adaptations that may be closed | 13:34 |
| coyo | well, i hate the idea of using a phone i paid over 600 usd for and not have any real power or control over that device, especially when the data plan is costing 120 usd a month | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's still up to vendors | 13:35 |
| * timoph ponders about building an nemo image for his archos g9 | 13:35 | |
| coyo | that's just as a user. as a developer, i want to be able to easily deploy a ruby network overlay and services that depend on that overlay simply and effectively. | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | coyo: good thing mer is built for insane experiments like that | 13:36 |
| w00t | timoph: :) waiting for Stskeeps to figure out the QMF upgrade in mer, and then I'll look at dropping it in soon after | 13:36 |
| coyo | Stskeeps: becoming a mobile phone vendor is extremely expensive, and has HUGE barriers to entry. how bad is it? would it be worth going into becoming a vendor for mobile phones? | 13:36 |
| Stskeeps | coyo: well, some of us are in that business | 13:36 |
| coyo | really? | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | many from mer and nemo work in Jolla | 13:37 |
| coyo | Jolla? *quickly opens a tab and ducks* | 13:37 |
| timoph | :) | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303567704577516610162579358.html | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla | 13:37 |
| coyo | ffff, that's a finnish company, which means i probably cant get a handset. | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | ever heard of importing? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:38 |
| iekku | coyo, where you from? | 13:38 |
| timoph | so they decided to keep the wiki article? or is that still being discussed? | 13:38 |
| coyo | i live in texas, united states. | 13:38 |
| iekku | coyo, btw, nokia is also from finland :P | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: seems so | 13:38 |
| coyo | yes, but i actually see nokia phones every now and then. | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: don't wander into the talk page unless you want a headache | 13:38 |
| coyo | not often, but i do see them. | 13:38 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: ack :) | 13:39 |
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| coyo | iekku: that said, if it is actually possible to purchase jolly handsets and resell them, i might consider that. | 13:39 |
| coyo | jolla | 13:39 |
| coyo | * | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | #jollamobile also exists | 13:40 |
| the-boss | Stskeeps: Error: "jollamobile" is not a valid command. | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | for unofficial discussion | 13:40 |
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| w00t | Vesuri: :) | 14:27 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6758 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6758 | 14:41 |
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| deztructor | Sage_: 3 requests starting from 6758: contextkit-plugins separeted to packages as we discussed, goes now into n9_50 adaptation, 2 other requests (checked by bot now?): dependencies on proper plugins for maliit-plugins and meegotouch-systemui | 15:18 |
| deztructor | i tested upgrade from repo, it works fine :) | 15:19 |
| deztructor | w00t: sources of contextkit-plugins are just built with PLATFORM configuration var and different set of plugins/packages are created depending on it, so each adaptation just can use the same repo containig platform-dependent and independent plugins. So, in this way all sides should be satisfied :) | 15:21 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6760 Rejected promotion request | 15:21 |
| w00t | deztructor: sounds interesting.. hopefully i'll get some mental room to check it out sometime soon | 15:21 |
| deztructor | next step i am going to do is to move contextkit-meego inside this repo | 15:22 |
| deztructor | and package | 15:22 |
| deztructor | w00t: so, central git for contextkit plugins and just different builds for contextkit-plugins corresponding to different adaptations :) | 15:23 |
| w00t | cool | 15:23 |
| w00t | no more contextkit-maemo either I guess? | 15:24 |
| deztructor | ops, submitted SR#6760 too early, ck-plugins should appear first | 15:24 |
| deztructor | w00t: i will kill it on the next step | 15:24 |
| w00t | ok | 15:24 |
| deztructor | after integration of contextkit-plugins | 15:24 |
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| deztructor | now 'zypper up' to it was flawless | 15:25 |
| w00t | :) | 15:26 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: osc help creq ;) | 15:27 |
| Sage_ | lbt: how to do creq with gitpkg? :) | 15:27 |
| deztructor | Sage_: does creq handles dependencies between projects? so, here 2 packages are from 3 projects | 15:29 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: haven't tried. Just wanted to point that creq can do submit and delete at the same time :) | 15:32 |
| special | alterego: still waiting on review for libcommhistory | 15:34 |
| deztructor | Sage_: btw, how to handle correctly all this changes: contextkit-plugins-nemo-bluez "provides" contextkit-maemo, so it goes instead of it and maliit-plugins are orphans until they are modified to depend on kbslider plugin package (now they can't? there is no package with this name yet) | 15:34 |
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| Sage_ | deztructor: well just submit them at the same time you can build all of those in same home project | 15:36 |
| deztructor | Sage_: but they are in different obs project | 15:37 |
| Sage_ | so? :) | 15:39 |
| deztructor | Sage_: i need to copy 'em into single project? | 15:39 |
| Sage_ | e.g. branch CE:UX:MTF what ever, then branch CE:MW:MTF xuy home:user:branches:CE:UX:MTF | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | didn't he do that already? | 15:40 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: if he did he would not be asking it? :) | 15:40 |
| deztructor | i have branched 'em | 15:40 |
| deztructor | there are 3 branched projects | 15:41 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: you can give destination project to branch as well :) | 15:41 |
| Sage_ | osc branch CE:UX:MTF sysuid; osc branch CE:MW:Shared maliit home:deztructor:branches:CE:UX:MTF | 15:41 |
| deztructor | ic | 15:42 |
| Sage_ | and then you can SR from single project to multiple different destinations | 15:42 |
| deztructor | Sage_: and how this destinations deps will be finally resolved? | 15:43 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: can you fix the changelog for the contextkit-plugins.changes not to mention the 1.x.x versions. You don't need more than one changelog entry as it never made to "nemo repos yet" | 15:43 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: ? | 15:43 |
| Sage_ | destination deps? | 15:43 |
| deztructor | packages after sr are going back to different projects, isn't it? | 15:44 |
| Sage_ | I give you premission to break the stuff with single SR's if I can see all the fixes and I just accept them in a row. Yes there will be broekn repo for a moment but fix is coming soon. | 15:44 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: yes | 15:44 |
| Sage_ | you just merge the projects to one single branch for you patch developmet and then push them to separate repos back when you are done | 15:44 |
| deztructor | Sage_: and if i am making single sr from the project packages are going to source projects? | 15:45 |
| deztructor | Sage_: so, i'll just remove 1.x.x parts from it? | 15:46 |
| deztructor | i mean .changes | 15:46 |
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| Sage_ | deztructor: osc sr home:sage:branches:CE:UX:MTF:WTF foo CE:MW:Shared ;) | 15:47 |
| Sage_ | sec giving example of the .changes | 15:48 |
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| deztructor | Sage_: so, there will be 3 SRs anyway? | 15:48 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/4761112 | 15:49 |
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| Sage_ | deztructor: about the changelog, not need to make it complex if not needed. And we don't want to fill up changelog entries if not really required i.e., if it didn't make to nemo yet you can merge the entries | 15:50 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: there can be 3 SRs sure | 15:51 |
| * Sage_ is having trouble figuring out the complexity :P | 15:51 | |
| Sage_ | deztructor: also I'm not entiresly sure about the naming of packages atm. | 15:52 |
| deztructor | Sage_: and if all 3 packages now are successfully built in their branches i can submit reqs (after fixing .changes where needed) | 15:52 |
| deztructor | Sage_: naming of contextkit* packages? | 15:52 |
| Sage_ | yes, I have some other fixes as well just wait. Looks much better though :) | 15:52 |
| Sage_ | contextkit-plugins-kbslider-n950-n9, provides: contextkit-plugin-kbslider <- plugin_s_ vs plugin | 15:53 |
| Sage_ | maybe %package -n contextkit-plugin-kbslider-n950-n9 etc. ? | 15:53 |
| Sage_ | it provides only one plugin, so should we use it witout the s? | 15:54 |
| deztructor | Sage_: yeah, i also noticed. plugins inherit names from parent src pkg but e.g. there already was contextkit-plugin-battery | 15:54 |
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| Sage_ | you can use -n for %macros to forget the parent name | 15:55 |
| Sage_ | %package -n xyz, %description -n xyz, %files -n xyz | 15:55 |
| deztructor | a bit bulky but more consistent in naming :) | 15:56 |
| Sage_ | yes :) | 15:56 |
| Sage_ | also I wonder if it should be contextkit-plugin-keyboard-* ? | 15:57 |
| Sage_ | instead of kbslider | 15:57 |
| Sage_ | pondering what it would be e.g., on x86 pc with usb keyboard attached and removed at times (exopc) | 15:57 |
| * Sage_ ponders when deztructor is going to start chaging him with axe ;) | 15:58 | |
| deztructor | Sage_: in first step i almost haven't touched plugin names :) | 15:59 |
| deztructor | Sage_: you are doing very good review, i'll better to present you a beer ;) | 15:59 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: well the point is that if we do this properly the first time we don't need to do provides/obsoletes mess later when renaming | 16:00 |
| deztructor | Sage_: i just scared (not so much imo but some people can try to call it big changes :) on amount of changes need to be done | 16:00 |
| deztructor | Sage_: ur right :) | 16:01 |
| Sage_ | ie., I would like to get all the rename mess done at once so we don't need to mess it aound another time | 16:01 |
| deztructor | good names - no explanation in future :) | 16:01 |
| Sage_ | same goes with contextkit-nemo. next we need another Obsoletes: Provies when we split it up and then we need to carry two of them next X months in spec | 16:01 |
| Sage_ | as we don't want to break the updates between releases | 16:02 |
| deztructor | Sage_: the same about battery: i have nothing against battery :) but it is not correct to call plugin '*battery', '*power' is much more suitable name | 16:02 |
| deztructor | Sage_: we do not have contextkit-nemo already ;) | 16:02 |
| Sage_ | yes, power if fine for me :) | 16:02 |
| deztructor | i killed kenny | 16:02 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6752 <- after this we have | 16:02 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6752 Rejected promotion request | 16:03 |
| deztructor | Sage_: just revoked :) | 16:03 |
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| Sage_ | then we need to have http://pastie.org/4761224 and not just the first two lines when we split it to pieces :) | 16:04 |
| deztructor | as contextkit-plugins produces all stuff for selected platform, including adaptation-independent plugins | 16:04 |
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| deztructor | there no adapation-indep. plugins atm | 16:05 |
| Sage_ | deztructor: I would recommend just merging all the ****ing plugins to one git tree we are going to have and start from there :) | 16:06 |
| Sage_ | then do tarball and spec where each plugin is a separate package and obsolete all the old crap contextkit-maemo, contextkit-meego etc. | 16:06 |
| deztructor | Sage_: yeah, i already merged it @ single git repo. ck-meego will be merged there too | 16:07 |
| deztructor | Sage_: you mean, in one step everything? | 16:07 |
| deztructor | Sage_: i am ready to make this risky step :) lets people kill me :D | 16:07 |
| Sage_ | multiple steaps will just maek our .spec files have tens of lines obsolete/provide mess | 16:08 |
| deztructor | so, to merge ck-meego, i need to understand what meego plugins (except battery) are not for n9.50 | 16:09 |
| deztructor | and what plugins are generic | 16:09 |
| deztructor | i'll check 'em | 16:09 |
| deztructor | what platforms are now supported by nemo mobile? | 16:09 |
| deztructor | atm both ck-maemo and ck-meego are installed | 16:10 |
| Sage_ | n900,n950,x86(exopc,ideapad etc) | 16:10 |
| Sage_ | you can pretty much just check http://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/0.20120816.1.NEMO.2012-08-31.1/images/ | 16:10 |
| Sage_ | and see what contextkit packages are listed in each of the images .packages files | 16:10 |
| Sage_ | cellular, internet, mce, battery (n900, n950, upower) | 16:11 |
| Sage_ | everything else is not used atm. :P | 16:11 |
| deztructor | Sage_: ok, so i'll continue :) | 16:12 |
| Sage_ | we can probably just kill the rest for now and add them if someone needs them. no idea if any of the others even work. | 16:12 |
| deztructor | tmrw or @weekend i'll be back ;) | 16:12 |
| deztructor | yes, they will be under some conditional var | 16:12 |
| deztructor | i'll try to check deps | 16:13 |
| deztructor | Sage_: btw, stupid q: does zypper has something similar to 'apt-cache rdepends'? | 16:13 |
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| * deztructor thinks he'll be sent to tfm :) but he did it and has not found | 16:14 | |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: you can sometimes use obs for that | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | go into repository for the package, click the rpm | 16:15 |
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| Sage_ | deztructor: I'm personally using "rpm -e packagename" as normal user. It tells what depeds on it or says unable to remove as no permission to do it :) | 16:17 |
| timoph | hmmh. doesn't rpm --whatrequires <package> do that? | 16:17 |
| Sage_ | but there is rdepends thing in rpm can't recall it | 16:17 |
| Sage_ | ah, that it was :) thx timoph | 16:18 |
| timoph | np :) | 16:18 |
| deztructor | Sage_: if it is already installed on device | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | rpm --test -e ? ;) | 16:20 |
| deztructor | Stskeeps: yeah, obs has it, thx | 16:20 |
| deztructor | timoph: Sage_ it works only /w installed packages :o | 16:20 |
| Sage_ | pah :) | 16:22 |
| Sage_ | install it first ;) | 16:22 |
| deztructor | altlinux made a wise to choice to use rpm and apt :) | 16:22 |
| Sage_ | obs doesn't work on cross project things ;) | 16:22 |
| deztructor | s/to// | 16:22 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6761 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6761 | 23:52 |
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