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| Kypeli_ | I am planning on writing a bit on how to set up your Ubuntu desktop as a dev environment for the current Nemo Mobile QML apps. | 04:20 |
| Kypeli_ | If you have any input that you'd like to see in that kind of blog post and introduction, please let me know. | 04:20 |
| Kypeli_ | I will probably contribute that to the Nemo wiki page as well, as I somehow felt that for a n00b like me, I couldn't find info on how to actually get started :) | 04:21 |
| dm8tbr | Kypeli_: sounds like good stuff to give people to read before/during hackday | 04:46 |
| Kypeli_ | Sounds good. | 04:49 |
| Kypeli_ | At least the Wiki page could be extended to cover all/more Nemo apps if they have some special considarations. | 04:49 |
| Kypeli_ | (I don't yet have experience in other than QmlContacts - for now...) | 04:50 |
| special | are the instructions for compiling/running on desktop? | 04:51 |
| Kypeli_ | Yeah, that's what I had planned. | 04:52 |
| special | not all of them are friendly to that at the moment | 04:53 |
| Stskeeps | just if possible use alterego's qt-creator-using-platform sdk | 04:53 |
| Kypeli_ | Good to know, and might be good to add all this kind of info to the wiki :) | 04:53 |
| Kypeli_ | Stskeeps: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK ? | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | ish but this one uses harmattan stuff | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | there's a smarter way | 04:55 |
| Kypeli_ | Ok. I must have missed that one. | 04:55 |
| Stskeeps | ask alterego when he wakes up (UK time) | 04:55 |
| Kypeli_ | ok :) | 04:56 |
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| zchydem | Kypeli_: +1 :) | 05:33 |
| iekku | i think we should also consider Nemo QA | 05:44 |
| Kypeli_ | zchydem: Let's see how it goes, I'll write as I learn ;) | 05:44 |
| timoph | iekku: we should | 05:46 |
| timoph | iekku: how about calling a meeting to setup it? (team, purpose, how, why, etc.) | 05:47 |
| iekku | timoph, i think it could be worth to talk in the hackday, i can do actions after that | 05:47 |
| timoph | yeah | 05:47 |
| timoph | I was just thinking that we might attract some new people new to QA so it helps to have a "kickoff" for it | 05:48 |
| timoph | although we need to do a inventory check before it to see what's there and what's not | 05:49 |
| iekku | timoph, hmmm, that's true | 05:49 |
| iekku | +1 | 05:49 |
| iekku | let's have a conversation on sat and i will send mail about QA to set up first meeting | 05:50 |
| iekku | (after that) | 05:50 |
| timoph | sounds like a sane plan | 05:50 |
| iekku | of course it's sain | 05:50 |
| iekku | i proposed it... | 05:50 |
| timoph | x) | 05:50 |
| iekku | sain? saint? sane? | 05:50 |
| timoph | close enough | 05:50 |
| iekku | i think saint is best :P | 05:50 |
| * timoph working on his talk for the hackday | 05:51 | |
| Sage | :P | 05:54 |
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| veskuh | timoph and sage, I talked with iekku yesterday. She suggested that I'd present about "getting started with development" on the hack day. | 06:17 |
| timoph | good | 06:17 |
| timoph | my thing is an introduction to mer project so should collide too much | 06:17 |
| timoph | I'll send you my slides after I get them done | 06:18 |
| iekku | :) | 06:18 |
| Kypeli_ | Will the presentations be made available somewhere afterwards? | 06:18 |
| timoph | hopefully today | 06:18 |
| Kypeli_ | Cool | 06:18 |
| veskuh | timoph: Ok, sounds good. | 06:18 |
| iekku | Kypeli_, i hope so | 06:18 |
| Kypeli_ | I'd love to join the event, but unfortunately I have to eat some crabs and drink vodka that day... :P | 06:18 |
| timoph | s/should/shoudn't/ | 06:18 |
| timoph | :) | 06:19 |
| iekku | veskuh, we were talking about QA for Nemo and get it started, so I think I could have short bz presentation for both and short QA info also. for Mer situation is ok, but Nemo is lacking QA | 06:19 |
| iekku | Kypeli_, that's so sad :P | 06:19 |
| Kypeli_ | I know :) | 06:21 |
| iekku | i need to go to friends house warming party from hackingday | 06:23 |
| iekku | and there's anothers birthday party | 06:23 |
| iekku | and one is having dj evening on one restaurant, where is her last work day in same day... | 06:24 |
| veskuh | iekku: Ok, so do we have a initial agenda somewhere for the hackday somewhere? Or is it just few presentations and then lets start hacking? | 06:25 |
| iekku | later one | 06:26 |
| iekku | i will see carol today, so i will sync that with her | 06:26 |
| iekku | i think there's several people only interested about presentations, so... | 06:27 |
| veskuh | Sage: I have initial packaging for qtest-qml (its qml unit test runner) for Nemo. Which project should I push it? I was thinking CE:MW:Shared since that is where qml-components also are. | 06:29 |
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| Sage | veskuh: what is that used for, does other packages depend on it? | 06:39 |
| veskuh | Sage: Its for writing unit testing qml. So only testing -packages should depend on it. | 06:41 |
| timoph | or applications using it for their tests | 06:41 |
| timoph | not that too many people write unit tests for their applications :) | 06:42 |
| veskuh | right | 06:42 |
| Sage | veskuh: where do you have it atm. I would like to see the package | 06:42 |
| veskuh | this is the bug: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=379 | 06:42 |
| Merbot | Bug 379: normal, Undecided, ---, vesku.h, ASSIGNED, Package qtest-qml unit testing framework to Nemo | 06:42 |
| veskuh | Sage https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qtest-qml&project=home%3Avesku | 06:43 |
| Sage | to me that seems like a package that should be in Mer Core actually | 06:44 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: opinions? | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | let's put it in nemo at first | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | eventually it may go in qa area | 06:44 |
| Sage | well, as tests that are in packages depend on it it needs to be in core as normal packages need to build against that or we split tests to completely separate | 06:45 |
| Sage | veskuh: but sure CE:MW:Shared is ok. | 06:45 |
| veskuh | Sage: Ok | 06:46 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6663 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6663 | 06:49 |
| veskuh | Can I somehow change my email at cobs? I still have my old company address there | 06:51 |
| veskuh | lbt: ^ | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | change it in meego.com | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | (i think) | 06:53 |
| veskuh | thanks, will try that | 06:54 |
| timoph | iirc that did the trick for me | 06:54 |
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| Sage | veskuh: so that version is just out of your head not any git tag? | 06:57 |
| veskuh | Sage: yes, there were no tags at all in the repo. | 06:57 |
| veskuh | veskuh: in qt5 the framework will be part of qt itself | 06:57 |
| * Sage smiles when people talk with themselves ;) | 06:59 | |
| veskuh | :) | 06:59 |
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| Sage | veskuh: please comment about that versioning to the .yaml file that it is version for nemo etc. and not an upstream tag. Otherwise it might raise questions later | 07:00 |
| Sage | also cut th eempty lines from .spec %files ;) | 07:00 |
| special | it'd be nice to have the git sha in the filename instead of just 'master' | 07:00 |
| Sage | special: that is a good point as well | 07:01 |
| Sage | veskuh: ^ | 07:01 |
| veskuh | I hate doing that. | 07:01 |
| veskuh | Much nicer to just put what gitorious gives me | 07:01 |
| veskuh | also duplicate info since it is already in the version | 07:02 |
| veskuh | info of yaml | 07:02 |
| * Sage forgot how much he hates gitorious.org | 07:03 | |
| Sage | I'm ok with the filename, but you should mention the reasons for the version in .yaml to make it undestandable for next one who updates the package | 07:04 |
| veskuh | Sage: In the description field I assume? | 07:04 |
| Sage | # This version is made for Nemo ... more stuff | 07:05 |
| the-boss` | Sage: Error: "This" is not a valid command. | 07:05 |
| Sage | # here | 07:05 |
| the-boss` | Sage: Error: "here" is not a valid command. | 07:05 |
| Sage | Version: 0.0.1~... | 07:05 |
| veskuh | Ah, just as comment | 07:05 |
| veskuh | cool | 07:05 |
| Sage | :P | 07:05 |
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| Sage | just a comment for packaging update | 07:05 |
| Sage | veskuh: btw, you know that you can get sha1 tarballs out of gitorious as well? ;) | 07:06 |
| veskuh | Sage: actually did not know that, the webui is so horribly slow that I haven't explored it too much :) | 07:06 |
| Sage | yes, thus I said I already forgot how much I hate gitorious :) | 07:07 |
| Sage | http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-labs/qtest-qml/archive-tarball/d39a1865 | 07:08 |
| Sage | yey, it works even ;) | 07:10 |
| Sage | just took couple of minutes to get the webpage open | 07:10 |
| veskuh | Ok, that's nice. Since it was pain free in the end, I'll update tar ball too. | 07:10 |
| veskuh | live and learn :) | 07:11 |
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| tadzik | good morning | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | morn mruk, tadzik | 07:12 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6666 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6666 | 08:05 |
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| Stskeeps | SR#6666 ? | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | what did we add, GTK? | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | :: | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | P | 08:13 |
| veskuh | I did it, just cause I like them meaningful numbers | 08:13 |
| Sage | :D | 08:14 |
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| timoph | veskuh: my current version -> http://timoph.fi/mer-introduction.pdf | 08:34 |
| timoph | as you can see it's a pretty light intro | 08:35 |
| timoph | trying to keep it short on purpose | 08:35 |
| timoph | it's a hackday after all and at least I don't want to sit the whole time listening to presentations | 08:35 |
| tadzik | oh | 08:36 |
| yunta | timoph: nice intro | 08:37 |
| veskuh | timoph: Looks cool. Maybe couple of words why split of HW, UI, and core makes sense? | 08:37 |
| timoph | veskuh: I just didn't put to that into the slides | 08:38 |
| timoph | planning to talk about it | 08:38 |
| veskuh | timoph: great, yep does not make sense to put all the stuff in the slides | 08:38 |
| timoph | but yeah. could work that in there if someone looks at them without hearing the talk | 08:38 |
| timoph | need to think a bit | 08:38 |
| veskuh | Well, the guys that only read slides hopefully follow the links. | 08:39 |
| timoph | true | 08:39 |
| Kypeli_ | I am setting up a desktop dev target (for the second time, a bit differently now :)) to compile and run Nemo apps on. I am a bit confused about the requirement that the Nemo QmlComponents has towards MTF. | 08:40 |
| Kypeli_ | I installed the MLite from Nemo GutHub. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | Kypeli_: theming, maybe | 08:41 |
| Kypeli_ | But when compiling QmlComponents (from Nemo GutHub) I get this compile error: http://pastebin.com/9H5uZPhb | 08:41 |
| Kypeli_ | Stskeeps: Doesn't sound related to theeming..:? | 08:41 |
| yunta | would be nice to also have an introduction in "how to build nemo packages for arm?" obs/sb/device/qtsdk/mersdk <- all confusing | 08:41 |
| tadzik | oh, I had compilation problems with nemo repos too | 08:42 |
| tadzik | not sure if related | 08:42 |
| Kypeli_ | Stskeeps: Yesterday I compiled and installed the "full" MTF and I guess because of that it worked for me. But I would not *like* to compile + install full MTF if I don't have to :) | 08:42 |
| Sage | Kypeli_: http://sagestechblog.blogspot.fi/2012/05/setting-up-qt-components-devel.html my experience from some time back | 08:42 |
| sivang | timoph: looks good, you should be ready if people ask question of how can I contribute and mention docs and wiki specifically, possibly providing links ;) | 08:43 |
| Kypeli_ | Sage: Thanks. | 08:43 |
| Kypeli_ | Sage: Looks like you are not installing anything related to MTF there... hmm | 08:43 |
| sivang | I so totally should have been there | 08:43 |
| Kypeli_ | (Other than theme) | 08:43 |
| special | alterego: any progress on putting up your commhistory wrapper code? | 08:44 |
| sivang | timoph: good slides, straight to the point no buzz etc. | 08:44 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t also mentioning that installing MTF would be optional. Don't know then... | 08:45 |
| Kypeli_ | Well, lunch time. | 08:45 |
| w00t | I have a patch locally fixing that someplace | 08:45 |
| w00t | I'll find where it is and push it for you | 08:45 |
| w00t | I guess I forgot it | 08:45 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: \o/ Thanks. I try to get this all into one place today for others' reference | 08:46 |
| timoph | sivang: thanks. as you can see the questions part is a bit special on this thing | 08:50 |
| timoph | interesting to see how it'll work | 08:50 |
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| sivang | timoph: yes, so if I'm on IRC that time, I could direct and answer peopel for the important documentation work. | 08:55 |
| sivang | timoph: I'm thinking of getting a teleporter to attend the hack day | 08:55 |
| timoph | :) | 08:56 |
| faenil | good morning guys! :) | 08:56 |
| sivang | faenil ! | 08:56 |
| tadzik | hello faenil | 08:56 |
| * sivang high gives | 08:56 | |
| faenil | :) | 08:56 |
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| faenil | been away last 2-3 days (and will be away today too)... | 08:56 |
| faenil | what happened in the meanwhile | 08:56 |
| faenil | ? | 08:56 |
| * sivang wants to make an NRJ Finland app for Nemo, as the superb one for Android | 08:56 | |
| faenil | oh :) | 08:57 |
| * timoph is writing a radiorock app for himself :) | 08:57 | |
| tadzik | phones these days ;) | 08:57 |
| sivang | I'd really like to figure deep how HTC's android (with sense 3.0) on the desire HD does multitasking so damn good, and the how the app turned to be so well UX'd | 08:57 |
| sivang | timoph++ | 08:58 |
| timoph | works already but still needs some work | 08:58 |
| timoph | so not putting that out yet | 08:58 |
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| alterego | special: yes, gonna be pushing it in the next few hours. | 09:00 |
| w00t | you know, when your desk gets to the state where you basically need to go on an expedition to find the USB key you're after, you've got problems. | 09:05 |
| special | alterego: k | 09:06 |
| alterego | w00t: FAILED LOADING COMPONENT: ContactEditorSheet.qml - qrc:/qml/ContactEditorSheet.qml:13 Cannot assign to non-existent property "acceptButtonEnabled" | 09:06 |
| w00t | upgrade qt-components | 09:07 |
| alterego | w00t: Can't add new contact :/ | 09:07 |
| alterego | m'kay | 09:07 |
| ars_ | w00t: ha, talking bout a state when you use your laptop as abulldozer to fit it on the desk :) | 09:07 |
| w00t | ars_: laptop is ok, as it doesn't move off the desk often | 09:08 |
| alterego | w00t: says I've got the latest version .. | 09:08 |
| w00t | but the mountains of papers/CDs/misc is another matter | 09:08 |
| special | w00t: CDs? USB keys? Papers? you're in the wrong decade. | 09:08 |
| w00t | alterego: and that version is what? | 09:08 |
| alterego | qt-components-1.3~git20120215-1.4.Nemo.armv7hl | 09:09 |
| w00t | Name : qt-components | 09:09 |
| w00t | Version : 1.4.0 | 09:09 |
| w00t | too old | 09:09 |
| alterego | :/ | 09:10 |
| alterego | So why isn't this new version in my repos? | 09:10 |
| w00t | I don't know | 09:10 |
| Xruxa | w00t: is anyone actually still developing those qtcomponents? | 09:10 |
| w00t | Sage: wasn't this one of the packages that had screwed up status? | 09:10 |
| w00t | Xruxa: we are | 09:10 |
| Xruxa | w00t: upstream? | 09:10 |
| w00t | no, since nobody cares enough about upstream to do anything about them (I've tried, repeatedly) | 09:11 |
| Xruxa | w00t: interesting ... so if theme needs changes "we can do it"(TM) | 09:11 |
| w00t | Sage: CE:MW:Shared version is old, halp, etc | 09:13 |
| w00t | Xruxa: if need be | 09:13 |
| w00t | Sage: request was https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6594 | 09:16 |
| w00t | Sage: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/6595 is still out of date too | 09:16 |
| anYc | If I want to program a little GUI application (nothing fancy), is it better to use C/C++ or is Python also viable? (e.g. regarding startup time) | 09:17 |
| timoph | try qml | 09:17 |
| anYc | hm, I thought qml is just for the GUI part only? | 09:18 |
| Sage | w00t: cleaning | 09:19 |
| Sage | lets see how this goes :) | 09:19 |
| alterego | Sage: your kernel update appears to have broken ofono .. | 09:19 |
| anYc | timoph: okay, I will take a closer look to it, thanks | 09:19 |
| timoph | anYc: depends on what you're doing. you can have javascript in qml and bindings to c++ | 09:20 |
| timoph | or python | 09:20 |
| Sage | alterego: really? | 09:20 |
| Sage | alterego: I have ofono running fine on my device with the kernel update | 09:20 |
| alterego | interesting | 09:20 |
| * alterego tries power cycle | 09:20 | |
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| Sage | yes | 09:21 |
| anYc | timoph: okay, thank you. I always wondered why people use QML/JS in an embedded device, is it really as good (in startup time and performance) as "native" (compiled) applications? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | anYc: it just makes ui app development so much easier | 09:22 |
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| w00t | and performance (especially with QML2) is great | 09:22 |
| anYc | ah, okay. :) thank you | 09:23 |
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| timoph | I tend to write logic in c++ and slap a thin qml layer on top of it | 09:24 |
| sivang | w00t: I was sitting in the KDAB training in Tallinn , building qtquick2 and jaw dropping at the performance | 09:24 |
| * sivang likes | 09:24 | |
| sivang | okay ant, build away | 09:25 |
| w00t | sivang: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V83mChc-hQE <- that's in a VM, using software rendering (llvmpipe) | 09:26 |
| sivang | w00t: nice, this is Mer inside the VM? | 09:27 |
| anYc | timoph: ah okay. For my daily work I program in C. For "non-performance" stuff I usually use Python, as it simplifies stuff even more. | 09:28 |
| w00t | sivang: what gave it away? :) | 09:28 |
| anYc | So I thought I will try it with Python first | 09:28 |
| sivang | w00t: lol | 09:28 |
| sivang | w00t: qml used for the window manager? | 09:28 |
| w00t | sivang: yes | 09:28 |
| sivang | w00t: what are the qml intensive stuff here that sine QML's performanc even at software rendering? | 09:29 |
| sivang | *shine | 09:29 |
| w00t | sivang: hmm? | 09:29 |
| sivang | w00t: sorry, I got confused- the clients are doing qml intensive stuff, right | 09:30 |
| w00t | it's a rotation and scale on a fairly large image | 09:31 |
| sivang | w00t: yep, it just hit me | 09:31 |
| sivang | w00t: for a sec I thought the clients are gl stuff not using Qml's strength | 09:33 |
| sivang | w00t: e.g. without the QML abstraction | 09:33 |
| sivang | (should have I said i.e. instead? ;) | 09:33 |
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| sivang | darn, I have to close IRC. | 09:35 |
| sivang | see you all later | 09:35 |
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| anYc | timoph: small typo in your slides "project's architech Carsten" ? | 09:35 |
| tadzik | architech, like archmage | 09:36 |
| anYc | okay, never heard before :) | 09:36 |
| tadzik | ;) | 09:36 |
| tadzik | yeah, tyop probably | 09:36 |
| w00t | Kypeli_: pull qt-components git | 09:38 |
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| timoph | :) | 09:41 |
| timoph | fixed | 09:43 |
| Sage | w00t: those two SR's disappeared now from your list right? | 09:44 |
| w00t | Sage: let me see | 09:45 |
| w00t | Sage: yes | 09:45 |
| Sage | good | 09:45 |
| w00t | and both in CE:MW:Shared look correct | 09:45 |
| w00t | alterego: zypper ref/up | 09:45 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6524 Rejected promotion request | 09:46 |
| alterego | w00t: thanks :) | 09:49 |
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| Sage | alterego: you should really remove the packages from your CE:Apps repo that are already pushed forward | 09:52 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6670 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6670 | 09:59 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: Excellent! Ty! | 09:59 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: Although, then next issue which also seems to be related to MTF dependency. g++ -c -pipe -O2 -D_REENTRANT -Wall -W -fPIC -DUSE_DEPRECATED_SCREEN_WIDTH_HEIGHT -DTHEME_DIR=\""/usr/share/themes"\" -DHAVE_MLITE -DHAVE_THEMEDAEMON_PROTOCOL_V1 -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_PLUGIN -DQT_DECLARATIVE_LIB -DQT_DBUS_LIB -DQT_OPENGL_LIB -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_NETWORK_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQ_COMPONENTS_MEEGO -DHAVE_MOBILITY -DQT_SHARED -I/home/kypeli/QtSDK/Desktop/Qt/4.8.1/gcc/mkspecs/ | 09:59 |
| Kypeli_ | In file included from mdeclarativeimageprovider.cpp:43:0: | 09:59 |
| Kypeli_ | http://pastebin.com/X3FdikQ9 | 09:59 |
| Kypeli_ | ./themedaemon/mlocalthemedaemonclient.h:51:24: fatal error: mgconfitem.h: No such file or directory | 10:00 |
| Kypeli_ | Sorry! | 10:00 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: ANy guesses? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think we've tried qml components with mlite at least? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | i might be wrong | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | would be good to make it work though | 10:00 |
| w00t | mlite introduction is recent | 10:00 |
| w00t | before, it never picked up what theme it should actually use | 10:00 |
| w00t | however, that should be guarded ok: #ifdef HAVE_MLITE #include <mgconfitem.h> #endif | 10:01 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: Ok, thanks. | 10:01 |
| w00t | I mean, that's already there | 10:01 |
| w00t | src/meego/meego.pro sets HAVE_MLITE correctly | 10:01 |
| Kypeli_ | Oh right. | 10:02 |
| w00t | so I don't know why that would be exploding for you | 10:02 |
| Kypeli_ | Well, then it is correct; I have MLite installed. | 10:02 |
| Kypeli_ | Ah fixed it. | 10:03 |
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| w00t | what's in /usr/include/mlite/? | 10:03 |
| w00t | oh? | 10:03 |
| Kypeli_ | Needed a second qmake to pick the installed MLite. | 10:03 |
| w00t | ah, curious | 10:04 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6670 Accepted promotion request | 10:10 |
| sledges | good late morning! | 10:12 |
| tadzik | the best of good mornings :) | 10:17 |
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| sledges | true :)) | 10:28 |
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| w00t | Sage: when you updated glib recently, did dconf get pulled in as a requirement? | 10:29 |
| Sage | w00t: no | 10:31 |
| w00t | hmm | 10:31 |
| w00t | i'd have expected it to, for gsettings | 10:31 |
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| Sage | gsettings I think got in, but I disabled it for telepathy for now at least as it didn't work properly | 10:31 |
| Sage | the schemas or something for gsettings are missing from us thus it failed iirc | 10:32 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: Coming back to the previous compilation issue; running qmake did finnish the compilation but it didn't work (I shouldn't have done that). | 10:33 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: I can see that /usr/include/mlite does contain the correct headers. | 10:34 |
| w00t | I don't understand | 10:34 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: But when I compile qt-components, it doesn't include the mlite/ as an include path | 10:34 |
| w00t | pkg-config --cflags mlite | 10:34 |
| Kypeli_ | If I "fix" the source by changing include to #include <mlite/mgconfitem.h" it works. | 10:34 |
| Kypeli_ | Hmm | 10:35 |
| Kypeli_ | http://pastebin.com/spfx1kJw | 10:35 |
| Kypeli_ | That could explain it. | 10:35 |
| w00t | that does indeed seem suspicious | 10:37 |
| w00t | you could just uninstall mlite | 10:37 |
| w00t | it will work fine without it | 10:37 |
| Kypeli_ | That sounds like a tempting option | 10:37 |
| tanuk | Sage: There's no active upstream anymore for pulseaudio-modules-n900 (aka. pulseaudio-modules-meego). Do you think it would be a good idea for Nemo to become the new upstream, and create a repository in https://github.com/nemomobile? | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | sounds like a plan | 10:42 |
| tanuk | Stskeeps: I guess you can't add me to the "Nemo Mobile" organization in GitHub, since you don't seem to be a member yourself? | 10:44 |
| Kypeli_ | w00t: Everything is better without MTF. It works now.. | 10:46 |
| Sage | tanuk: sounds good, however we should probably call it something else | 10:47 |
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| tanuk | Sage: pulseaudio-modules-nemo? | 10:51 |
| tanuk | It's a pretty random collection of modules, so it's hard to come up with a descriptive name... | 10:52 |
| * rozhkov wonders why "automated review" takes so long | 10:55 | |
| Xruxa_ | tanuk: are those device/HW specific modules? | 10:57 |
| tanuk | Xruxa_: The cmtspeech module is specific to certain cellular modems, but otherwise it's not hw specific. | 10:59 |
| Sage | tanuk: not sure :) | 11:06 |
| Sage | I've just always felt that the name wasn't really in place for that package :) | 11:07 |
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| kallela | tanuk: how about, pulseaudio-modules-mobile? or does it imply possibly false assumptions? most of the modules are anyway related to cellular calls, but yeah, some misc stuff too.. | 11:19 |
| tanuk | kallela: That sounds like a viable alternative too. | 11:26 |
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| w00t | Sage: so how did you disable gsettings? pathced out of glib, or out of telepathy? | 11:40 |
| Sage | w00t: glib didn't touch, but just disabled from telepathy-mission-control with --disable-conn-setting | 11:42 |
| w00t | ok | 11:42 |
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| alterego | w00t: meeting :PP | 12:04 |
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| Kypeli_ | w00t: http://www.johanpaul.com/blog/2012/09/how-to-set-up-a-desktop-development-target-to-contribute-to-nemo-apps/ -- let me know if there's stupidities that you find :) | 12:09 |
| tadzik | oh, awesome | 12:10 |
| tadzik | Kypeli_++ | 12:10 |
| tadzik | qmlcontacts was exactly what I was unable to build yesterday | 12:10 |
| Kypeli_ | Thanks :) | 12:10 |
| anYc | "I will only go thought installing the QmlContacts" -> "go through"? | 12:12 |
| Kypeli_ | Thanks :) | 12:13 |
| Kypeli_ | (Yes, expect spelling errors and bad english... :-/) | 12:13 |
| anYc | interested in more? :) | 12:14 |
| Kypeli_ | Bring 'em on! | 12:14 |
| anYc | "So let get started" -> let's | 12:14 |
| Kypeli_ | Er.. :) I should probably proof read that one more time ;) | 12:14 |
| ars_ | Kypeli_: niiiice, I did feel exactly that "a bit lost where to start and..." | 12:14 |
| Kypeli_ | ars_: I know that feeling :) | 12:14 |
| anYc | I'm no native speaker, so I might be wrong also | 12:15 |
| anYc | <- too | 12:15 |
| ars_ | Kypeli_: Browsing wiki pages back and forth drowning on the info | 12:15 |
| Kypeli_ | I hope I can update the Wiki too with some of this info. | 12:15 |
| Kypeli_ | Still unsure if this is the "best" way to get started - but it's a start :) | 12:15 |
| anYc | I wonder if it's easier to start with python, as one can directly develop on the device | 12:17 |
| anYc | *bookmark* thanks | 12:20 |
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| kontio | Kypeli_, in 'As described on the Nemo wiki page and also in Vesku's blog post,' the link "Vesku's blog post" points to: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedUsingQtSDK I guess that's wrong? | 12:26 |
| kontio | as the first link the this part... | 12:26 |
| ArtoH | Kypeli_: replace your homedir with $HOME in Qt path setup | 12:27 |
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| Kypeli_ | kontio: Uups, yes. Thanks. | 12:28 |
| Kypeli_ | ArtoH: Good point. | 12:28 |
| Kypeli_ | kontio, ArtoH: Fixed. Thanks. | 12:29 |
| kontio | u'r welcome | 12:30 |
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| anYc | hm, I just booted nemo the first time and I only see "Enter PIN code" with buttons from 1 to 3 :/ | 14:42 |
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| anYc | ah, one of the buttons made it disappear, I see the desktop now | 14:44 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6676 Rejected promotion request | 14:55 |
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| anYc | hm, in the settings, I can activate WLAN and I see some ssids but nothing happens when i click on them. is there a special menu for wlan settings? | 15:04 |
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| rozhkov | anYc: the settings page should open when you tap a ssid. if it doesn't then it might be a bug in connman, try to reboot | 15:08 |
| anYc | hm, or does it only work with unencrypted ssids? | 15:08 |
| rozhkov | should work with any | 15:09 |
| anYc | hm okay. i reboot, thank you | 15:09 |
| anYc | the first improvement i noticed with nemo are the smooth scroll animations 8) | 15:10 |
| anYc | (compared to maemo) | 15:10 |
| anYc | hm, okay, it looks like only "wpa entreprise"/802.1x are not working | 15:13 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6675 Rejected promotion request | 15:14 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6677 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6677 | 15:15 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6674 Rejected promotion request | 15:16 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6672 Rejected promotion request | 15:16 |
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| alterego | Sage: any luck with the packaging? | 15:26 |
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| Sage | alterego: not really need to ask from the zypper mailing list about that | 16:00 |
| Sage | asked in the obs irc chan already but no help from there | 16:00 |
| alterego | Sage: next question, how far did you get getting sip to work? | 16:02 |
| alterego | request online seems to do nothing :/ | 16:03 |
| Sage | alterego: account registered and showing online status | 16:03 |
| alterego | Hrm, mine doesn't seem to want to show online status. | 16:03 |
| alterego | I found this: http://pastie.org/pastes/4359368/text | 16:04 |
| alterego | ;) | 16:04 |
| alterego | But when I set it to online, it doesn't seem to do anything | 16:05 |
| Sage | your account details are ok? | 16:06 |
| Sage | verify the sip account with your desktop pc | 16:06 |
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| Venemo | heya | 16:29 |
| Venemo | what components are required to make the meego graphics system work? | 16:29 |
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| alterego | Venemo: afair: QApplication::setGraphicsSystem("meego"); | 16:34 |
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| Venemo | alterego, shouldn't it be the default? | 16:47 |
| Stskeeps | it is on n950//n9 | 16:48 |
| Stskeeps | well at least the way it should be | 16:48 |
| Venemo | there's this guy who runs a Nemo-based UX on his WeTab, and the meego graphics system doesn't seem to be working there | 16:48 |
| Venemo | I tried to launch the app with --graphicssystem meego | 16:48 |
| Venemo | but that didn't seem to make any difference either | 16:48 |
| yunta | Stskeeps: can I get access to pub.meego obs ? | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | yunta: get a meego.com and give lbt a cookie with your username | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | +account | 16:50 |
| lbt | 2 cookies on a wednesday | 16:50 |
| lbt | (unless it's a peanut butter cookie of course) | 16:51 |
| yunta | lbt: username is "yunta" | 16:51 |
| lbt | done ... have fun :) | 16:51 |
| yunta | thx | 16:51 |
| rozhkov | Venemo: hi! you might want to look at https://github.com/nemomobile/eventfeed | 16:51 |
| Venemo | rozhkov, I _do_ want to look at it :) | 16:52 |
| Venemo | rozhkov, thanks :) | 16:52 |
| rozhkov | Venemo: you're welcome | 16:52 |
| Venemo | rozhkov, awesome stuff. can you tell me how it works? in a nutshell | 16:53 |
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| rozhkov | Venemo: i put a small readme in the repo | 16:53 |
| rozhkov | Venemo: basically it's just a dbus service and a widget listening to signals from the service | 16:54 |
| Venemo | okay | 16:54 |
| Venemo | so, all I need to do is import the QML plugin and I can get started with writing my UI for it, right? | 16:55 |
| rozhkov | Venemo: yep | 16:55 |
| rozhkov | here are the binaries https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=eventfeed&project=home%3Arojkov%3Abranches%3AProject%3AMTF%3AUX | 16:55 |
| Venemo | awesome | 16:55 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ~seen sivang | 16:56 |
| Venemo | rozhkov, okay, I'll probably have some free time for this in the weekend :) | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | #seen sivang | 16:56 |
| the-boss` | ZogG_laptop: Error: "seen" is not a valid command. | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 16:56 |
| Venemo | ZogG_laptop, no infobot on this channel | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, excited about Lumia shit phone? +) | 16:56 |
| ZogG_laptop | Venemo, sup :P | 16:56 |
| rozhkov | Venemo: great! you need to install libmeegotouchevents, libeventfeed, eventfeed and eventfeed-qmlapi packages | 16:56 |
| rozhkov | packaging sucks though | 16:57 |
| rozhkov | Venemo: and you may need to install fakefeeder to add fake event items | 16:58 |
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| simon | hi:) how can i disable the screenlocker in Nemo? | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | kill systemui | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | or send a dbus message to mce i think | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | tklock something | 17:01 |
| simon | no process found | 17:02 |
| simon | when kill systemui | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | sysuid | 17:02 |
| simon | thanks, now lets see how it behaves I installed new nemo desktop | 17:03 |
| simon | and after that after some time screen goes black | 17:03 |
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| Sage | alterego, Venemo: I don't think you should set graphicssystemd from the code | 17:20 |
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| Sage | cat > /etc/profile.d/qt-graphicssystem-opengl.sh << EOF | 17:21 |
| Sage | export QT_GRAPHICSSYSTEM=runtime | 17:21 |
| Sage | export QT_DEFAULT_RUNTIME_SYSTEM=opengl | 17:21 |
| Sage | EOF | 17:21 |
| Sage | alterego, Venemo: you can always do ^ to set the values from environment | 17:21 |
| Venemo | I see | 17:30 |
| Venemo | hm, thank you Sage | 17:30 |
| Venemo | but what about the meego graphics system? | 17:30 |
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| Venemo | nah anyway, I gotta get going | 17:36 |
| Venemo | ttyl | 17:36 |
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| fudi | Hello everyone! | 18:28 |
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| fudi | Can anybody help me with Bugzilla bug 233 | 18:29 |
| Merbot | Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=233 normal, Low, ---, not-taken, NEW, cross-<arch>-gcc packages are missing mpc dependency | 18:29 |
| fudi | How can I access the source code corresponding the bug? | 18:29 |
| fudi | I have got the code from this place https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlgallery | 18:38 |
| fudi | Now i donot know what to do? Should I simulate it with MeeGo SDK? Or should I try it with Mer Platform, Scratch Box2 | 18:39 |
| fudi | I would really appreciate if somebody can help | 18:39 |
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| tadzik | Kypeli_: re blogpost, s/-prefix/--prefix/ mayhaps? | 19:42 |
| tadzik | or maybe not :) | 19:47 |
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| Sage | special: for some reason my qmlmessages doesn't receive gtalk messages anymore and doesn't see the acccounts I created | 20:15 |
| Sage | The account is online I can see from my other device and I can send messages to it so telepathy seems to register online at least properly | 20:17 |
| special | Sage: ps ax | grep commhistory | 20:17 |
| Sage | not running | 20:18 |
| special | is mission-control-5? | 20:18 |
| Sage | yes | 20:18 |
| special | this could be the bug I was chasing last night | 20:18 |
| Sage | :P | 20:18 |
| special | from a shell with the same DBUS session, run commhistoryd -log-console | 20:18 |
| Sage | what is the easiest way to get the dbus session to terminal that doesn't have it atm.? | 20:22 |
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| Sage | please don't answer eat ;) | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | edamnit | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | :p | 20:22 |
| special | I have a script for it, moment | 20:22 |
| special | Sage: http://pastie.org/4670066 | 20:24 |
| Sage | what is the target? | 20:26 |
| Sage | any ux process? | 20:26 |
| special | you can use 'copy-env mission-control-5 commhistoryd -log-console' | 20:26 |
| special | or just run bash with it and go from there | 20:26 |
| special | any UX process will work, yeah. | 20:26 |
| special | I'm expecting commhistoryd to crash a few seconds after startup | 20:27 |
| Sage | no it doesn't crash :) | 20:27 |
| special | try sending messages? | 20:28 |
| Sage | I can't send as qmlmessages doesn't see the telepathy account | 20:28 |
| Sage | Account list is empty eventhough I have account | 20:28 |
| special | okay, good news is that commhistory isn't broken. | 20:29 |
| special | what says that you have an account? | 20:29 |
| Sage | COMMHISTORYD: [01:843] tp-qt 0.9.3 DEBUG: Display Name: "sage.xyz@...com" | 20:30 |
| Sage | COMMHISTORYD: [01:843] tp-qt 0.9.3 DEBUG: Valid: true | 20:30 |
| Sage | COMMHISTORYD: [01:843] tp-qt 0.9.3 DEBUG: Enabled: true | 20:30 |
| Sage | the log of the commhistory as well ;) | 20:30 |
| Sage | COMMHISTORYD: [01:843] tp-qt 0.9.3 DEBUG: Connects Automatically: true | 20:30 |
| special | make sure you have a telepathy-gabble process, and kill qmlmessages to see if that changes it | 20:31 |
| Sage | no telepathy-gabble | 20:32 |
| Sage | maybe I should reboot the device and see what happens | 20:33 |
| Sage | I added the account after playing with the apps etc. | 20:33 |
| special | no gabble means it's not actually connected | 20:33 |
| Sage | hmmp | 20:33 |
| Sage | I can see the account onlin with my other account :) | 20:33 |
| * Sage reboots the device | 20:33 | |
| special | did you use mc-tool from ssh at all? | 20:34 |
| Sage | yes added the account via ssh | 20:34 |
| special | that could be related | 20:34 |
| special | you can sometimes end up launching mission control in a separate dbus session that way | 20:35 |
| Sage | but as nemo user though | 20:35 |
| Sage | ok, after reboot qmlmessages sees the account | 20:36 |
| special | adding and removing accounts seems ok to me | 20:39 |
| special | when done in the same dbus session, at least :) | 20:39 |
| Sage | you are adding the accounts with accounts-ui? | 20:40 |
| special | that was with mc-tool manually | 20:40 |
| special | (but under the copy-env script) | 20:41 |
| special | a new account from accounts-ui also shows up immediately | 20:42 |
| Sage | well, if you remove account from accounts-ui and create new one with qmlmessages running in the background it shows two accounts | 20:42 |
| Sage | but if you restart qmlmessages it shows only the newly added | 20:42 |
| Sage | ok, but online doesn't seem to work anymore | 20:43 |
| special | it isn't removing accounts properly while the UI is open, that one is a bug | 20:44 |
| special | your jabber account is still not online and working? | 20:45 |
| Sage | no | 20:45 |
| Sage | it is not online or working :/ | 20:46 |
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| Sage | Presences: | 20:46 |
| Sage | Automatic: available (2) "" | 20:46 |
| Sage | Current: offline (1) "" | 20:46 |
| Sage | Requested: online (2) "" | 20:46 |
| Sage | Changing: yes | 20:46 |
| special | hmm. | 20:46 |
| special | well, if it won't launch telepathy-gabble, it's not even really trying to connect | 20:47 |
| special | I think that could happen if connman is misbehaving, not sure other than that | 20:47 |
| Sage | well our telepathy doesn't check anything from connman atm. disabled that check | 20:48 |
| Sage | or that feature | 20:48 |
| special | you could kill mission-control-5 and run.. I think it's: MC_DEBUG=1 MC_TP_DEBUG=all G_MESSAGES_DEBUG=all /usr/libexec/mission-control-5 | 20:49 |
| special | make sure to do that under the environment script | 20:49 |
| special | it would be nice if it left useful logs somewhere :| | 20:50 |
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| Sage | (process:771): mcd-DEBUG: mcd_account_would_like_to_connect: gabble/jabber/sage_2emobile_2edevice_40gmail_2ecom0 does not ConnectAutomatically, and its RequestedPresence (1, 'offline', '') doesn't indicate the user wants to be online | 20:53 |
| special | mc-tool auto-connect gabble/jabber/sage_2e... on | 20:54 |
| special | (leave mission control running, ideally) | 20:54 |
| Sage | uh | 20:55 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6679 Rejected promotion request | 21:12 |
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| Sicelo | qucik question -- where do i find kernel sources/headers? i've been looking for a while already :-/ | 21:47 |
| Stskeeps | CE:Adaptation:* | 21:49 |
| Sicelo | hmm, no way for me to get it 'directly', without using OBS? eg, url | 21:53 |
| Stskeeps | src rpm, but obs is really best way | 21:54 |
| Stskeeps | repo.pub.meego.com | 21:54 |
| Sicelo | ok. thanks. well, i don't even know wtf OBS is, lol. i would like to see if i can successfully build that radio module. if successful, it would be my first contribution here. | 21:55 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | you really need a obs account to do that sanely, but ok | 21:56 |
| Sicelo | yeah, i can see from the wiki. that's one more thing to learn :) | 21:57 |
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| yunta | Sicelo: http://kernel.org/ ;) | 22:06 |
| yunta | Sicelo: but you want to cross compile..... so go for obs :D and... it's a *big* thing to learn | 22:07 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html | 22:08 |
| Sicelo | thanks. i had in mind compiling on N900, even if it takes hours :P | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | don't be that stupid :P | 22:09 |
| yunta | well, it could be really the most convenient way :) | 22:10 |
| Sicelo | why Stskeeps, besides the time? ;) | 22:11 |
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| Sicelo | unless one of you has the time to build the radio-bcm2048 module for me and other interested people :P | 22:23 |
| Sicelo | that said, i need to learn, heh | 22:23 |
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