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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6314 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6314 | 00:59 |
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| iekku | morning | 03:21 |
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| Kypeli_ | Morning | 04:12 |
| Sage | faenil: nice submit | 05:01 |
| lpotter-home | w00t: pong | 05:03 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6314 Accepted promotion request | 05:05 |
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| neochapay | how to install nemo on nand !? | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | you don't, it's too big | 05:30 |
| Sage | well... ;) | 05:31 |
| Sage | but yes :) | 05:31 |
| neochapay | :( | 05:32 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20120816.0.4.NEMO.2012-08-29.1/images/ go nuts. :) | 06:11 |
| Sage | I can test the exopc this time | 06:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:12 |
| special | Sage: what is the osc command for "discard changes to this package on my branch and update to the latest from the upstream project"? | 06:17 |
| special | osc up seems to have worked | 06:19 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, any chance you have few free minutes? | 07:01 |
| Stskeeps | not atm | 07:01 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ok | 07:03 |
| niqt | morning | 07:06 |
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| deztructor | w00t: hi, can you explain why do you want to reimplement libbmeipc while it is already available in the nemomobile? | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: we don't actually have libbmeipc | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | the headers aren't public | 07:27 |
| deztructor | it is a part of harmattan sdk | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | deztructor: it's in a part that's not OSS | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | we can't take it into nemo | 07:28 |
| deztructor | bme is also closed | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | bme we have as redistributable license (legal OK'ed), but not the libbmeipc headers | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | something blah blah exploding batteries | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | what we got was: | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_libbme/ | 07:29 |
| deztructor | this is for n900, for n9/950 bmeipc is different | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:29 |
| Stskeeps | and i think w00t got it mostly working for n9/n950 | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | hence the libopenbme thing | 07:30 |
| Stskeeps | as there was some functionality missing | 07:30 |
| deztructor | in this case there should be 2 versions of ipc "api": for n900 and for harmattan | 07:31 |
| deztructor | so, it is prohibited to use libbmeipc headers | 07:31 |
| deztructor | in nemo | 07:31 |
| Stskeeps | right, it's simply because those parts weren't OSS'ed so we can't legally import it | 07:32 |
| deztructor | for me this is some kind of issue: I know bmeipc and has access to all bme source code. So, I am "infected" with this knowledge. It looks obvious to use this knowledge to implement it but in this case maybe it is better to enchance power supply with theproper module | 07:34 |
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| deztructor | I am pretty sure Nokia will not start to hunt for ones who is "infected" with knowledge. But it is better to implement different functionality | 07:35 |
| deztructor | power_supply subsystem is the best place to expose such information | 07:35 |
| deztructor | and after it battery monitoring can be moved there too | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | it really belongs in kernel but i think the kernel modules aren't so featureful when it comes to measurements | 07:36 |
| deztructor | just as non-disclosed info: my colleague implemented charging functionality in a very good specialized framework in Linux kernel for Meltemi but now you know what happened to Meltemi :( | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, latest dead platform | 07:39 |
| deztructor | so, we used this framework doing battery management for it. But no devices was released so now this framework can't be released to public :( | 07:39 |
| Stskeeps | good thing we have something like mer still, so we don't start from scratch | 07:39 |
| deztructor | and Nokia do not want to care about opensourcing this dead but otherwise very useful stuff | 07:40 |
| deztructor | ok, thank you for explanation! I will try to find the shortest path to implement required functionality for mer. At this time the main issue for me is that I do not fully understand what harmattan inheritance is available for mer :) | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | in Mer, we split up in core and hardware adaptation and UI, so we have mostly reused harmattan bits and pieces in the hardware adaptation for n950/n9 | 07:42 |
| deztructor | Maybe power_supply subsystem, maybe bmeipc, will see. There will be lot of stuff to implement for Jolla devices too :) | 07:43 |
| deztructor | hmm | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, will be interesting to see how jolla will do it | 07:43 |
| deztructor | I see there is a platform sdk, application sdk, targets containing everything | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | for Mer there's platform SDK that is the most essential | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | and that is also used for nemo development | 07:44 |
| deztructor | under this platform sdk I am using n950 target. Is it correct? | 07:44 |
| deztructor | I mean n950 nemomobile target, of course | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes, though we will probably make it a generic one | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | as the gles headers aren't correct there | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | the development story needs improvement | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | mer platform sdk gives you all the needed tools for daily work | 07:46 |
| deztructor | at least baseline cross-compilation toolchain :) | 07:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 07:47 |
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| Stskeeps | generally, mer platform sdk and that includes image creators, osc/obs clients, cross compilers, sb2, etc | 07:47 |
| w00t | deztructor: sorry, but i'm mostly on holiday hence out of the loop (leaving again now after being here a few seconds) - I'll be home tonight, but it looks like Stskeeps already filled you in on what I really meant in that comment? | 07:47 |
| deztructor | w00t: yeap :) | 07:48 |
| w00t | cool | 07:48 |
| * w00t has no wish at all to reimplement bme, for sure | 07:48 | |
| w00t | there's better things I can be doing with my time :) | 07:48 |
| deztructor | so, under chroot to sdk I have all the required stuff | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:49 |
| deztructor | w00t: it is really not so easy | 07:49 |
| deztructor | w00t: there are a lot of very tiny details inside :( | 07:49 |
| * w00t heads out | 07:50 | |
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| w00t | see you all in 11-12 hours | 07:50 |
| deztructor | the funny part is that there is a HW safety control of charging additionally to software so it is not so easy to explode battery | 07:50 |
| deztructor | so, bme was closed primary because initialy it was not clear what parts of s40 code remained there :) | 07:51 |
| deztructor | w00t: see you, have a nice holyday | 07:51 |
| deztructor | otherwise there is no reason to "close" bme | 07:52 |
| deztructor | all i2c registers are open to user-space so anyway it is still not safe | 07:52 |
| deztructor | Stskeeps: thanks again for explanation. I will digest it and decide what to do | 07:53 |
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| ZogG_laptop | ok, Stskeeps when you'll have time... can you help me understand why why omap-update tool from nemo adaptation ofr n950 from obs works with do update and manual but on auto i get OMAPFB_SET_UPDATE_MODE ioctl failed | 08:03 |
| Venemo_N9 | good morning | 08:04 |
| ZogG_laptop | good morning | 08:05 |
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| niqt | when is accepted the pull request (in upstream) a bug can to be closed? | 08:08 |
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| niqt | special: i need some explanation about your comment (pull request) | 08:15 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: exopc seems ok now | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:58 |
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| niqt | Sage: i'm closing #NEMO268, but qmlclaendar in obs is too old | 09:13 |
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| Sage | niqt: NEMO#268 | 09:16 |
| Sage | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=268 | 09:16 |
| Merbot | Bug 268: task, High, ---, nicola, NEW, [FEA] Search contacts | 09:16 |
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| sivang | hey jukkaeklund :) | 09:25 |
| jukkaeklund | hi | 09:28 |
| jukkaeklund | sorry I'm away.. | 09:28 |
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| faenil | Sage, yo :) thanks ;) special was kind enough to guide me through the last steps, and I got it done at 3am :) | 09:33 |
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| faenil | niqt, read your comment, so you're italian? :) | 09:35 |
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| niqt | faenil: yes | 09:49 |
| faenil | niqt, nice :) me too ;) | 09:49 |
| niqt | yes i know (from twitter) | 09:49 |
| faenil | niqt, oh ok, nothing then :D | 09:51 |
| niqt | :D | 09:51 |
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| niqt | there are 2-3 italians (i think) | 09:54 |
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| sledges | ed anche gli amanti della lingua italiana :D | 10:01 |
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| faenil | bbl | 10:12 |
| faenil | sledges, hey _) | 10:12 |
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| sledges | hello ! :) | 10:24 |
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| sledges | sivang, you will need these for the fb/g+ fan page (can't find marketing collateral for Nemo though): http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Artwork | 10:35 |
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| sledges | so might need to prop up something to look like http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ew4RmIMef4g/T4dI5C9SLJI/AAAAAAAAAlw/xAaM-UYBlws/s1600/nemo-splash-on-i9250.jpg (Nemo needs a whole image/logo redesign anyway) | 10:36 |
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| sivang | sledges: yes, I can prop up the marketing collateral but we should do it together in a consensus. | 10:48 |
| sledges | well I think you can freely blob "Nemo" writing on a Mer background logo to replicate the splash screen without anyone objecting | 10:51 |
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| sledges | sivang, ^ | 10:51 |
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| sivang | sledges: right noted, added to my toddeldo | 10:51 |
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| sivang | sledges: I'll send a write up for review to mer-general ? | 10:57 |
| sivang | (e.g. introductory text) | 10:57 |
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| sledges | sivang, good idea. And if we want a complete redesign, you should talk to Nemo architects (w00t, Sage), and for graphics resources - the themists (xruxa and wazd) - some guys are not around at the moment (w00t, xruxa), and some guys left long time ago (wazd) | 11:00 |
| sledges | some more pokes from wiki on ^: Weekly contributor meetings chaired by Stskeeps, Nemo representative in Mer Advisory Board: jukkaeklund :) | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | current one is phaeron in ab | 11:02 |
| sivang | sledges: this addessed to me? | 11:02 |
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| faenil | just noticed I wasn't following iekku yet :O | 11:04 |
| * faenil runs, reaches iekku, and follows her.... | 11:04 | |
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| lbt | sledges: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:Nemo-boot-portrait.png | 11:05 |
| lbt | sivang: ^ | 11:05 |
| sledges | sivang, yes, all related if you want to talk to someone in charge about advertising Nemo and in need of any resources/templates/graphics | 11:05 |
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| sledges | nice lbt | 11:05 |
| iekku | faenil, :o | 11:05 |
| faenil | iekku, watch your back! lol | 11:06 |
| iekku | omg | 11:06 |
| sledges | stalking is a crime since recently (in UK :)) | 11:07 |
| faenil | I'm in Italy, she's in Finland, so I don't care xD | 11:07 |
| sledges | :) | 11:08 |
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| * faenil blin blin: for those who weren't following, I was talking about twitter...blin blon | 11:09 | |
| iekku | hahahahaaha | 11:09 |
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| qwazix | sivang, sledges, I can help creating marketing material too | 11:21 |
| qwazix | I've also done some brainstorming about a logo http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=46 | 11:23 |
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| sivang | qwazix: I'll send an email to mer-general to get this going, as I want to have names and emails of people involved, if that's okay with you :) | 11:25 |
| qwazix | yes, ok. I'm going to have to subscribe to that list though. How is that done? | 11:25 |
| qwazix | ok found it | 11:26 |
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| sledges | ideally we could have a logo/theme contest and vote for (advertising a poll on mer-general and first rudimentary fb/g+ fan pages which would still use old theme) | 11:27 |
| sledges | does anybody know a good submit-your-own-logo/theme voting portal? | 11:27 |
| sivang | sledges: so when is this meeting held, today? :) | 11:29 |
| sledges | qwazix, nice logos ;) as the first phase I'd choose not to deviate from the current theme too much (as devices still use the old theme https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:Nemo-boot-portrait.png), but introduce revolutionaryy and all-selling theming ideas through voting, what do you think sivang ? | 11:29 |
| sledges | sivang, meeting ? | 11:30 |
| sivang | sledges: sorry I misunderstood you on 'some more pokes from wiki' | 11:30 |
| sivang | sledges: what did you mean? | 11:30 |
| sledges | ah, pokes is just to mention their names here on irc so they'd have their two cents on redesign idea | 11:30 |
| sivang | sledges: voting should be used, yes, but we should take care to stop voting and discussion in some point and decide on a get go. | 11:31 |
| sivang | sledges: oh, I recall those as 'pings' :-p | 11:31 |
| sledges | ;) | 11:31 |
| sivang | I'm on and off throughout the day, as I'm in office. | 11:31 |
| sivang | might not be ble to follow the discussion now at real time. | 11:31 |
| qwazix | sledges, thanks. I like the 'old' theme, and the mer logo is very nice. I don't like that nemo appears in different places with different fonts. | 11:32 |
| sledges | so I'd see initial/rudimentary fan pages on fb/g+ look like https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/File:Nemo-boot-portrait.png, but it would be good to re-rasterise it as landscape. That's why I pinged ;) others on this channel to give any sort of vector/layer graphics which already exist to make our lives easier. So far thanking very much for lbt for at least a .png | 11:32 |
| sivang | yes, noted, I think I'll get started with a ML discussion as I prefer those for tracking and history- sledges what do you think? | 11:33 |
| lbt | I have the gimp xcf for that | 11:33 |
| lbt | I use a 1920x1200 image for the bg | 11:33 |
| lbt | all the rest is svg | 11:33 |
| sivang | It will be hard for me to track IRC during the day but only quick glimpses | 11:33 |
| sledges | lbt, you are the answer :) sivang ^ | 11:34 |
| * sivang will also create a bug report for that. | 11:34 | |
| sivang | (even better than ML) | 11:34 |
| lbt | I'll post the xcf | 11:34 |
| lbt | maybe a github account? | 11:34 |
| lbt | repo I mean | 11:35 |
| lbt | I merproject/artwork? | 11:36 |
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| qwazix | lbt, github is cool, and very helpful since it can provide diffs on svg files | 11:36 |
| sledges | what about nemo-related stuff? nemomobile/artwork ? | 11:36 |
| sledges | lbt, ^ | 11:37 |
| lbt | https://github.com/Merproject/artwork | 11:37 |
| lbt | it's a hack/share space | 11:37 |
| lbt | who wants to admin it? | 11:37 |
| * sledges is horrible at creating nice directory structure for graphics files :) qwazix, sivang ? ;) | 11:38 | |
| sivang | sledges: I'm away, but will respond to email, sorry | 11:39 |
| sivang | ++ for github | 11:39 |
| * qwazix is of the idea "dump everything in one place with descriptive names and use search" | 11:40 | |
| sivang | sledges: I can think something up, depending on where we use that dir struct | 11:40 |
| sledges | sivang, on github | 11:40 |
| sledges | sivang, would you like to admin it? | 11:40 |
| sivang | sledges: + | 11:40 |
| sivang | sledges: yes, will do | 11:40 |
| sledges | great, lbt we have a volunteer :) | 11:40 |
| sivang | sledges: I'm sivang on github as well | 11:40 |
| sledges | thank you sivang | 11:41 |
| sivang | sledges: my pleasure. | 11:41 |
| sivang | sledges: I'm still dying to find some spare time to fix some tasty bugs I took as well ;) | 11:41 |
| sivang | but I must run away now. | 11:42 |
| lbt | sivang you're the team | 11:42 |
| sivang | if you set up anything, please mail to mer-general? | 11:42 |
| sledges | ok, i assume lbt will give tou commit grants there, and he'll place nemo-logo-portrait.xcf for you to play with or ask qwazix to help | 11:42 |
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| sivang | that would be splendid . /me has to get developing with PhoneGap now at the office | 11:43 |
| sivang | lbt: thanks | 11:43 |
| sledges | ok, I will create an thread on mer-general, as soon as lbt puts the xcf ;) so we have somethign to hook on | 11:43 |
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| sledges | ttyl sivang | 11:43 |
| sivang | laters! | 11:43 |
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| lbt | one problem will be that merge requests will be impossible for this kind of file | 11:44 |
| sledges | ahh | 11:44 |
| lbt | so you'll need a locking process | 11:44 |
| * sledges just had PRs going through his head | 11:44 | |
| sledges | why can't there be a binary merge request? | 11:47 |
| sledges | lbt, ^ | 11:47 |
| lbt | merge == overwrite | 11:47 |
| sledges | yes, in case of conflict a file locking is needed | 11:47 |
| sledges | but github works based on PRs. so if there is only one granted commit rights | 11:48 |
| sledges | and no two PRs are accepted at the same time, should be ok | 11:48 |
| sledges | how are these things dealt on github normally? | 11:49 |
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| faenil | where is Sage today? | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | busy in telcos | 12:03 |
| tadzik | poor Sage | 12:04 |
| faenil | yeah :) | 12:04 |
| tadzik | telcos made me realize there's something I hate more than phonecalls | 12:04 |
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| sledges | qwazix, just skimming through Nemo's UI plan on your play.qwazix.com/grog: an awesome lot of effort! great :) | 12:14 |
| lbt | qwazix: sledges : pushed to https://github.com/Merproject/artwork | 12:19 |
| lbt | I cheated and redid the portrait one | 12:19 |
| lbt | so it won't match the png pixel perfectly | 12:20 |
| sledges | oh wow lbt, that's just simply extatic seeing all those SVGs :D | 12:22 |
| sledges | I'll prop up an email to ML | 12:25 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: testing the n950 image now | 13:02 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: n900 tested? | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | no, but i can't imagine any case where it'd be different from last.. | 13:03 |
| Sage | :) | 13:05 |
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| Sage | pushed libX11 update to review | 13:05 |
| * Sage ponders if XF86BigFont was not enable by reason. | 13:06 | |
| Sage | well enabled back now anyway | 13:07 |
| Sage | hmmp... n950 doesn't actually seem to boot anymore | 13:08 |
| faenil | oops | 13:08 |
| Sage | even usb doesn't come up | 13:08 |
| Sage | maybe the image went bad. I have the prelink issue still at least | 13:08 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: try without prelink? | 13:14 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: so our n950 images doesn't boot? | 13:29 |
| Sage | rm -rf sdk and retry :) | 13:29 |
| Sage | the systemd shouldn't be the problem really | 13:29 |
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| Sage | I installed it manually and it worked fine so something else is wrong | 13:30 |
| Sage | maybe image build wend bad | 13:30 |
| Sage | pah, still prelink errors. | 13:36 |
| Sage | will do without prelink | 13:36 |
| Sage | f17, mer sdk and prelink are not happy with each other apparently | 13:37 |
| Sage | zypper ref; zypper up; sdk-upgrade --next; zypper ref; zypper up | 13:37 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I guess you have done that ^ with your sdk? | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes, probably | 13:38 |
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| Sage | :P | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: does splash come up? | 13:41 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: yes | 13:42 |
| Sage | with the image uploaded that is | 13:42 |
| Sage | usb networking doesnt | 13:42 |
| Sage | checking the one without prelink now | 13:43 |
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| Sage | hmmp... my battery might be almost empty on my n950 | 13:45 |
| Sage | ok, splash shown with this image as well | 13:45 |
| Sage | but it doesn't seem to boot either | 13:45 |
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| Sage | wth | 13:45 |
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| * Sage creates image with previous prerelease | 13:49 | |
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| Sage | ls: cannot access mnt/usr/bin/Xorg: No such file or directory | 13:51 |
| Sage | ... | 13:51 |
| Sage | what | 13:51 |
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| Sage | http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo-tmp/0.20120816.0.4.NEMO.2012-08-29.1/images/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950/nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120816.0.4.NEMO.2012-08-29.1.packages | 13:51 |
| Sage | Xorg is missing... :D | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | what | 13:52 |
| * Sage ponders what did he do now | 13:52 | |
| Sage | oh, ffs... | 13:52 |
| * Sage pokes BOSS hard | 13:53 | |
| Sage | lbt: ping | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | did you find the cause yet? | 13:55 |
| Sage | yes, boss screwed up the patterns for some reason | 13:56 |
| * lbt is here | 13:56 | |
| Sage | lbt: can you check if boss should handle patterns properly in CE:Adaptation:N900 and CE:Adaptatino:N950-N9 projects? | 13:56 |
| Sage | I triggered rebuild for n950 already | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: but doesn't xorg come from mer patterns? | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | or | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 13:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: no, it is dependency for the Drivers (setuid) | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | ah.. | 13:57 |
| Sage | fbdev-sgx | 13:57 |
| Sage | and in that image nothing related to proprietary stuff didn't go in | 13:57 |
| Sage | as boss didn't update the patterns properly | 13:57 |
| lbt | http://autodoc.meego.com/boss/processes/CE/Adaptation/N900/ | 13:58 |
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| Sage | # Wait for the repository to get published so we get correct binaries repeat :timeout => '2h', :on_timeout => 'error' do | 13:59 |
| the-boss` | Sage: Error: "Wait" is not a valid command. | 13:59 |
| Sage | I guess we hit to the timeout on that with the boss mess | 13:59 |
| * Sage ponders when obs publishes those projects | 14:00 | |
| Stskeeps | when all builsd have finished, usually | 14:00 |
| Sage | I see the clock there again. | 14:01 |
| lbt | I don't know why it's being run on BUILD_SUCCESS | 14:01 |
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| lbt | don't want to change it though | 14:02 |
| lbt | grr - really need to get some BOSS time | 14:02 |
| Sage | I really want to know why publishing repos on cobs is nowadays so slow | 14:03 |
| Sage | there is something that keeps scheduler or publisher very busy? | 14:04 |
| Sage | oh, come on. didn't work now either. | 14:04 |
| * Sage updates patterns manually | 14:04 | |
| lbt | I've noticed load warnings | 14:05 |
| lbt | tbh I don't have time to just watch it | 14:06 |
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| * Sage builds yet another image | 14:09 | |
| Sage | lbt: the performance of cobs has been decreasing lately a lot | 14:10 |
| lbt | boss appears not to be logging | 14:10 |
| lbt | and skynet doesn't seem to work | 14:13 |
| VDVsx_ | speaking of infra, was wondering if there's already some plans to move mer/nemo infra to a new place, afaik meego infra will be gone soon isn't ? | 14:15 |
| lbt | grrr and skynet logs have no timestamp anymore... | 14:16 |
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| lbt | that's stupid | 14:17 |
| lbt | Sage: all I can tell you is that the last time update_patterns ran was at 4am | 14:17 |
| Sage | lbt: well didn't seems to do anything :/ | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx_: mer infra is seperate, nemo is a bit different, but yes | 14:19 |
| lbt | islam rewrote it all and I don't know how it works | 14:19 |
| lbt | I have to go read the code | 14:19 |
| lbt | the logs are useless since they have no timestamps | 14:19 |
| lbt | so I don't know what happened in relation to anything else | 14:20 |
| VDVsx_ | Stskeeps: humm, almost everything that I used so far still has meego urls, maybe overlooked some of them :) | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | VDVsx_: yeah, community obs is one :) | 14:22 |
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| VDVsx_ | LF could continue sponsoring that, since everything in mer is FOSS, maybe it worths asking :) | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | LF doesn't sponsor | 14:25 |
| Sage | phdeswer: the settings panel for usb-mode doesn't seem to work anymore | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | they receive money from bigger companies, make it look like it's oh so open, and then host in their site(s) | 14:25 |
| lbt | *cough* ... afaiui they take a slice off the money they pass to OSU to host them | 14:28 |
| phdeswer | Sage, possible. Have been trying to update it, but I am stuck on some C++ weirdness | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | that to | 14:28 |
| phdeswer | Sage, but normally it should be working ok still (unless I somehow disabled ovi-suite mode) | 14:29 |
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| Sage | phdeswer: it says sync and connect in use when I attach it and usb-moded.ini has ovi_suite mode | 14:31 |
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| VDVsx_ | looks like good business to me :D, really thought they were sponsoring OSS projects with the huge amount of money they get, so do they actually contribute with something ? :) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | lawyers.. :P | 14:31 |
| lbt | and toothpastey white smiles ! | 14:31 |
| VDVsx_ | ... | 14:32 |
| lbt | Sage: boss is complaining HTTPError: 404 https://api.pub.meego.com/build/CE:Apps/CE_MW_Shared_i586/i586/qmlgallery/qmlgallery-debuginfo-0.0.8-4.1.Nemo.Apps.i586.rpm/?view=fileinfo | 14:32 |
| Sage | phdeswer: still not able to connect with usb though | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: does the new image boot? | 14:32 |
| Sage | phdeswer: ah, my host distro went nuts. moment | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | with current prereease | 14:32 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes | 14:32 |
| lbt | Sage: that's not in any logs that I can see though | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: with or without prelink | 14:33 |
| VDVsx_ | seriously, at least from one company that I know :D was a truck load of money, IIRC was not even platinum member or whatever the highest sponsorship is | 14:33 |
| lbt | VDVsx_: LF is probably a bit OT here ... I don't think they have many fans. OTOH they're better than nothing and prove that there is at least one business model for OSS :) | 14:35 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: without but I'm guessing with works fine as well though that prints errors on my host | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ok | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: so we can say full release? | 14:35 |
| lbt | ... | 14:37 |
| VDVsx_ | lbt: yeah right, had just a bit wrong impression, thats for clarifications anyway :) | 14:37 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mm? | 14:38 |
| Sage | oh, ffs. did this n950 release with old mer release :P | 14:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: argh | 14:38 |
| Sage | tested that and forgot the .ks mod | 14:39 |
| Sage | give me 20mins :) | 14:39 |
| * Sage can see smoke coming somewhere from poland ;) | 14:42 | |
| faenil | ahahahh | 14:42 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: i prefer tested, stable and delayed, than untested, unstable and precise | 14:42 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: Sage, BOSS currently has 1494 active or error'ed processes ... typically it should have ~30 | 14:45 |
| faenil | wow | 14:46 |
| lbt | 1219 errored processes | 14:46 |
| sledges | smoke's from Finland too now :) | 14:46 |
| Sage | lbt: uh... | 14:47 |
| lbt | Sage: Stskeeps: it's practically impossible to find any given issue in that lot - together with un-stamped logs and what look like non logrotated ones too | 14:47 |
| lbt | just telling you what I'm seeing | 14:47 |
| lbt | and explaining that "just kick it" isn't likely to work | 14:48 |
| * lbt -> coffee and then will dig around a bit :/ | 14:49 | |
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| faenil | is there any plan for ffmpeg integration in mer/nemo? | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | codecs problem, etc | 14:55 |
| faenil | we could need that to make thumbnails of videos.. | 14:57 |
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| Xruxa | faenil: one could use gstreamer for that as well, no? | 14:58 |
| faenil | Xruxa, yeah I've been searching a bit, but gstreamer alternatives seem less used | 14:59 |
| faenil | for that purpose | 14:59 |
| Xruxa | faenil: just IIRC Harmattan did that. Does not mean this was good idea ;) | 15:00 |
| faenil | ;) | 15:00 |
| faenil | there is already ffmpeg-thumnail-creator, while I couldn't find anything with gstreamer | 15:01 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: booted fine after fighting enough | 15:01 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: define fighting.. | 15:02 |
| Sage | fourth boot or so booted to UX | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | did you have a low battery or?? | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | -? | 15:02 |
| Sage | no idea but the device just turned itself off so maybe lowbattery | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | and x86 booted fine? | 15:03 |
| Sage | yes | 15:03 |
| Sage | on exopc at least | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:03 |
| Sage | something else? I'm planning to turn my brain off soon | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | i think we're okay then | 15:03 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: OK for full release | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: does wifi connect? ;) | 15:04 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, can you tell more about "codecs problem, etc" ? | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items | 15:05 |
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| faenil | oh legal issues | 15:05 |
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| faenil | can't we include ffmpeg with only permitted codecs? | 15:06 |
| faenil | that page doesn't report anything about ffmpeg | 15:06 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: confirm - same as .0.4 ? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | confirm | 15:15 |
| sledges | Fedora? So MP3 also not allowed on Mer/Nemo ? | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: patent issues/royalty | 15:15 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, so no ffmpeg at all? | 15:15 |
| ZogG_laptop | royalty? | 15:16 |
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| Stskeeps | man, don't they teach copyright and patent laws in schools anymore.. | 15:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:16 |
| faenil | hahahah no they don't :) | 15:16 |
| sledges | never did in my one (or slept through :)) | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | mp3 should be patent free by now | 15:16 |
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| faenil | I need ffmpeg, I don't need mpeg2 codecs :P | 15:16 |
| ZogG_laptop | just make extra repo and add those things there? | 15:17 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, my question was if there was any plan to include it in mer/repo...but I can't get a proper answer :D there are royalty issues with some codecs, that's known | 15:18 |
| ZogG_laptop | it's easier to make community extra repo with stuff that is on gray area i think | 15:19 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, reread my sentence :D | 15:19 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think you got answer that it wouldn't be included in mer/nemo. i t might be included in jolla and other companies that would figure out the license things | 15:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | if i got it right | 15:21 |
| pvuorela | ZogG_laptop: not according to this - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MP3#Licensing_and_patent_issues | 15:21 |
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| faenil | ZogG_laptop, I was trying to know more about the current issues :) if it was with ffmpeg itself, or only some plugins or something | 15:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | not even checking link as afaik mp3 should be free license by now. but still it doesn't help. as codecs is not only mp3 | 15:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't know, but as i understand as if any package can include codecs in gray area it's easier not to include it and include it in extra repo. other wise what's the point to have both., one with codecs and other without | 15:23 |
| faenil | because one is safe to be included the other one isn't :D | 15:26 |
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| sledges | have a good evening everyone! | 16:24 |
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| faenil | mmm I got openvideoplayer working on nemomobile \o/ (for those who don't know it, it's an enhanced opensource version of the harmattan videoplayer | 16:39 |
| faenil | problem is...there is the same issue as in qmlgallery :) | 16:39 |
| faenil | so: 1) we have problems with gstreamer | 16:39 |
| faenil | 2) we have problems with qtmobility | 16:39 |
| faenil | Sage, Stskeeps, are we using harmattan's qtmobility? or do we have a custom implementation? | 16:40 |
| faenil | 3) we have problems with opengl... | 16:40 |
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| Stskeeps | opengl, like which? | 16:46 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, this is the bug I filed https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414 | 16:48 |
| Merbot | Bug 414: major, Undecided, ---, need-triage, NEW, Flickering in video player / Unable to draw anything over the video player | 16:48 |
| faenil | the same app doesn't have anything like that in harmattan (I haven't tried it, but it's a known app) | 16:48 |
| faenil | (otherwise it would be unusable, just like our current video player in qmlgallery is) | 16:48 |
| faenil | so the problem isn't in the app | 16:48 |
| faenil | it must be in one of the remaining levels: qtmobility implementation we're using, or gstreamer, or something about opengl | 16:49 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, basically, it seems like qml UI and video player element are using two separate surfaces, and each of them is painting independently of what is already drawn on the other | 16:51 |
| faenil | any input from your side, Stskeeps? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | yes, does anybody have any martinini? | 16:56 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:56 |
| faenil | ahaha :D | 16:56 |
| faenil | your silence always keeps me waiting for an answer, which ofter never comes :D | 16:56 |
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| ZogG_laptop | martininininini? | 16:58 |
| faenil | I'll probably have one this evening, I'll think about you then, lol | 16:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, so any ideas on my problem? | 16:58 |
| faenil | stop bothering Stskeeps ! lol | 16:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | faenil, i would bother you than :P | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | ZogG_laptop: omap display doesn't support auto mode | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | on n950 | 16:59 |
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| ZogG_laptop | coz of driver or coz of hardware itself? | 16:59 |
| faenil | ZogG_laptop, hey, there you go ^ | 16:59 |
| faenil | :D | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | cos of driver and way it's attached | 17:00 |
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| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, so there is way to patch it and fix it right? | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | read up on omapdss manual updates | 17:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | Stskeeps, btw i get rpi this week so ill finally would get mer on something :P | 17:01 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw do we have nemo on rpi or only mer+xmbc? | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | mer atm | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | zephyr eventually | 17:04 |
| Sage | hmmp... I should probably check my xbmc repo again at some point | 17:05 |
| faenil | it also has an ARM11 cpu...700mhz...not that powerful :/ | 17:05 |
| faenil | the GPU should be more than powerful enough to run Nemo though, imho | 17:06 |
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| faenil | bye guys :) out with gf ;) bbl! | 17:11 |
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| qwazix | Is there an UI part that has priority in prototyping? | 17:36 |
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| Stskeeps | settings? | 17:37 |
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| qwazix | hm... ok. Are settings going to be reimplemented from scratch in qml? | 17:38 |
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| qwazix | And is there anything that is going to be incorporated in settings which is (not included && not obvious)? | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | it'd be nice if it could | 17:39 |
| qwazix | ok, and a totally unrelated question: After zypper up last week I no longer have cellular network on my N950. Any ideas? | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | fixed in next mer release | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | coming tonight | 17:43 |
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| quixote | about the artwork, nemo-boot.xcf looks great. I assume the outline "Nemo" at the top isn't supposed to be there? In any case, it shouldn't be. Distracts from the beautiful effect. | 18:27 |
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| lbt | that's just a path on a layer which isn't present on the image | 18:28 |
| lbt | in gimp click on the paths tab and hide it | 18:28 |
| quixote | nemo-boot-portrait.xcf : the "mer" part needs to be grayer or (better?) semi-transparent. The letters are too white compared to "Nemo." The bubbles, though, I think, could be white, like they are. Forms counterpoint to the white rays at the top. Position of "mer should be the same in portrait and landscape: either both centered or both with "mer" at lower right. Centered may be better, because then the bubbles work. | 18:31 |
| quixote | Oh, about the paths. Duh. I should have realized that. | 18:31 |
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| quixote | Also not sure about having two different fonts for "mer" & "Nemo." Why not use the mer font for the Nemo logo? | 18:33 |
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| lbt | mer font is hand made in inkscape and has the letters "m e r" and "o b s" plus Nemo is supposed to be "not mer" | 18:39 |
| lbt | I had the mer in a lower transparency (set the layer to about 70 iirc) but must have reset it | 18:40 |
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| lbt_away | back tomorrow -> tango | 18:41 |
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| quixote | Yes, the "not mer" makes sense conceptually. It doesn't work that well, for me anyway, visually. How about a similar font, but "mer" looks like a reflection (i.e. upside down and backward)? Although people who didn't know the history would probably just wonder what the hell that was all about. :P | 18:46 |
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| qwazix | New logo and boot image proposal http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=103 | 19:37 |
| Sage | qwazix: nice, but the fish doesn't look inviting but scary imo. not sure if that is good or bad thing ;) | 19:43 |
| special | can you connect a fish with the word nemo and not violate trademarks? :p | 19:44 |
| qwazix | Sage, I made another one, with a happier fish, but I found this one sleeker. I can post the other too. | 19:44 |
| qwazix | special, my fish has rounder corners | 19:44 |
| Sage | :P | 19:45 |
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| beford | the virtualbox image has some glitches right? | 19:51 |
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| special | Stskeeps: are you the designated sgx expert? | 21:18 |
| Stskeeps | depends on how many therapy sessions you want to pay for | 21:18 |
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| Stskeeps | what's up? | 21:18 |
| special | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jmapA14s | 21:20 |
| special | I noticed that the gallery's video was playing really slowly one day, it was fine yesterday, today it's slow (~1fps) again | 21:20 |
| special | I saved xorg/xsession/dmesg logs from both, that part from dmesg is the only relevant difference I've seen so far. | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have to view that tomorrow. mail me that at carsten.munk@gmail.com | 21:21 |
| Stskeeps | crashing sgx is impressive though | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | does camera work? | 21:22 |
| Stskeeps | at proper fps | 21:22 |
| special | yes | 21:22 |
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| faenil | hey special :) | 22:27 |
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| special | hi. | 22:31 |
| faenil | special, strange I've never had that 1fps issue though...never ever... :/ we could be using different packages at sgx level ... | 22:32 |
| special | have you noticed pinch-to-zoom sometimes being choppy, and other times perfectly fine? | 22:33 |
| faenil | special, by choppy you mean 1-2fps? | 22:34 |
| special | around there | 22:34 |
| faenil | that's the problem I've always told you about, with the sourceSize :P | 22:34 |
| special | no, it isn't | 22:34 |
| faenil | ...100% sure? | 22:35 |
| faenil | never had it then | 22:35 |
| special | with the same, landscape-oriented images, zooming was smooth yesterday and choppy today | 22:35 |
| special | I noticed that even before video support existed. | 22:35 |
| faenil | oh ok then it must the same problem you're having | 22:35 |
| faenil | I've never noticed anything like that | 22:35 |
| faenil | we must be using different drivers for sgx or don't know what :/ | 22:36 |
| special | do you reboot the device daily? | 22:39 |
| faenil | nope, haven't rebooted it in the last week, always plugged to usb | 22:39 |
| special | that's probably why; this happens in <50% of the times I boot | 22:40 |
| faenil | ok | 22:40 |
| faenil | so this is another really weird issue :D | 22:40 |
| faenil | special, on top of that | 22:40 |
| faenil | I've ported openvideoplayer to nemo today (well, built for Nemo) | 22:41 |
| faenil | it's an opensource version of the harmattan videoplayer (done by a guy) | 22:41 |
| faenil | and guess what, same filtering problem | 22:41 |
| special | filtering? | 22:41 |
| faenil | sorry flickering | 22:41 |
| special | do you know what it uses for video output? | 22:42 |
| faenil | QML Video | 22:42 |
| special | then I'm not at all surprised it's the same | 22:42 |
| faenil | special, but it is supposed to work on harmattan | 22:42 |
| special | nemo isn't harmattan :) | 22:43 |
| faenil | yeah,but at least we know that it isn't some official bug in qtmobility | 22:43 |
| faenil | it must be a bug in the implementation we're using... | 22:43 |
| faenil | do you know which qtmobility implementation we're using? | 22:43 |
| special | "implementation"? as in, rendering method? | 22:44 |
| special | offhand, I think it's using the basic opengl path, but I haven't looked at it yet. | 22:44 |
| faenil | as in, qtmobility source files, OS specific | 22:44 |
| faenil | just like symbian has its OS specific files in Qt | 22:45 |
| special | well, you can find exactly what it built from in obs. | 22:46 |
| special | libqtmultimediakit1 is the relevant package, and libdeclarative-multimedia the declarative plugin | 22:47 |
| faenil | yeah | 22:47 |
| faenil | another thing | 22:47 |
| faenil | I thought QML Video could only output video to landscape (because portrait doesn't work in qmlgallery) | 22:48 |
| faenil | but from openvideoplayer I saw it should also work in portrait | 22:48 |
| faenil | so that's another issue, most likely related | 22:48 |
| special | I will look into the flickering properly, probably on the weekend | 22:51 |
| faenil | ;) I have to start studying, so I will be less active in the next days | 22:52 |
| faenil | good night John ;) | 22:56 |
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