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| quixote1 | Used bzcat nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdb (as on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing). When I boot from the microsd it starts, blue Nemo logo comes up, then a few more error messages, then it turns itself off. Bad image download? Just start over? Or some other problem? | 00:33 |
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| quixote1 | Oh, I have a N900 | 00:33 |
| quixote1 | Maybe I should try again when the rest of the world is awake :-D | 00:43 |
| special | don't know about n900, sorry :p | 00:44 |
| quixote1 | hey, thanks. I'll wait to see if anyone else has something for me. | 00:51 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6054 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6054 | 00:54 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:49 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6054 Accepted promotion request | 06:33 |
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| * Sage ponders if n900 oss/proprietary patterns should be merged | 06:42 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i see no reason for them to stay that way | 06:42 |
| Stskeeps | nobody ever relly used the oss ones | 06:42 |
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| Sage | yes | 06:44 |
| * Sage merges and makes Aard happy also probably ;) | 06:45 | |
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| Sage | lbt: ping, can you provide the schema that obs uses atm. for patterns | 06:51 |
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| VDVsx | morning, is there some email client already in the work for nemo ? | 07:12 |
| veskuh | I haven't heard of any | 07:12 |
| Aard | yes, though nothing developed in the open currently. | 07:13 |
| Sage | there is no e-mail client in nemo atm. no and no work is being done towards afaik | 07:13 |
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| VDVsx | Aard: humm, so why not in the open ? do you know which middleware is used then ? :) | 07:14 |
| Aard | VDVsx: qmf | 07:15 |
| rc_ | https://github.com/ruedigergad/qmlmail | 07:16 |
| rc_ | that's my, admittedly very first experiments, on using qmf with qml | 07:16 |
| veskuh | rc_: cool | 07:16 |
| Aard | rc_: nice. you're using the harmattan accounts subsystem? | 07:16 |
| VDVsx | Aard: oh, mer qmf is very old, I submitted new one 2 days ago, still waiting for approval | 07:16 |
| rc_ | as said.. it's the very very first steps... i need to wrap my head around the logic in qmf first | 07:17 |
| Aard | VDVsx: did you take the harmattan branch of qmf, or the upstream qt branch? | 07:17 |
| VDVsx | Aard: upstream ofc | 07:17 |
| rc_ | and yes, currently i am doing most things on harmattan.. but the goal is to focus on nemo in the future | 07:17 |
| Aard | VDVsx: I wonder if there are patches in the harmattan branch that didn't make it upstream, but do make sense | 07:17 |
| rc_ | so far i get at least a list of accounts and can add accounts | 07:18 |
| VDVsx | Aard: no, I personally toke care of that, is there's my mistake :P | 07:18 |
| rc_ | the point i am currently struggling with is how to store passwords | 07:18 |
| rc_ | :/ | 07:18 |
| Aard | VDVsx: good, I never had time to compare those branches, so I never started do look into updating qmf. but good if it's done | 07:19 |
| VDVsx | Aard: qmf has lots of improvements related to memory and performance, this was done for a linux platform that Nokia recently killed, still very nice improvement didn't get in, because a patent was submitted, but let's see | 07:19 |
| rc_ | there seems to be some "magic" happening in qmf that somehow stores and retrieves passwords from an encrypted storage | 07:19 |
| VDVsx | Aard: yup, hope it does not break your stuff, since I don't have any clients to tests, but if there's problems let me know | 07:20 |
| Aard | VDVsx: one thing, where there accounts-related hacks directly in the harmattan branch? I'm currently working on pushing updated packages for the accounts stuff to nemo | 07:20 |
| Aard | rc_: that might be the harmattan accounts framework, which we'll use one nemo as well soon | 07:20 |
| VDVsx | Aard: yes | 07:21 |
| VDVsx | Aard: so those might need to be ported back | 07:21 |
| Aard | VDVsx: yes. interested to look into that? :) | 07:21 |
| VDVsx | Aard: sure | 07:21 |
| VDVsx | Aard: so nemo uses harmattan accounts ? | 07:21 |
| rc_ | Aard, cool.. sounds promising :) | 07:22 |
| rc_ | and yes, i think "account framework" does ring a bell | 07:22 |
| rc_ | btw, there is also http://trojita.flaska.net/ | 07:22 |
| w00t | VDVsx: we will of course have to use something, and that seems a sane option since we try to have compatibility with harmattan (+ it's a proven/working solution)Q | 07:23 |
| w00t | but we don't use it yet | 07:23 |
| rc_ | this one has a very rudimentary qml ui and i managed to manually build and run it on nemo. problem is that it uses its own imap etc. implementation | 07:23 |
| Aard | VDVsx: yes, we'll use the same framework. it's nowadays used by canonical for ubuntu as well | 07:23 |
| rc_ | so we figured trojita unfortunately is a dead end for us | 07:23 |
| w00t | rc_: i'd say that qmf is a bit more battle-proven on mobile at least | 07:24 |
| VDVsx | w00t: Aard: woo it became so popular, not my favourite piece of SW, maybe is much better now :D | 07:24 |
| rc_ | w00t, yeah, that's what we (stskeeps and me) agreed upon too | 07:24 |
| w00t | VDVsx: having lost a week or so of my life chasing a bug in glib <-> qt integration causing a rather unfortunate memory leak (at the least), I can agree with that | 07:24 |
| Aard | VDVsx: the main problem there is the sparse documentation, but it's probably the only piece of code doing everything in the accounts area, _and_ is stable | 07:24 |
| w00t | but what he said | 07:25 |
| VDVsx | Aard: there's very good parts, just some Arch issues, but maybe is better now, and is quite stable yes | 07:25 |
| Aard | VDVsx: the other option would be doing it ourselves. I'm pretty sure that would be a bigger mess than debugging occasional issues with the existing framework :) | 07:26 |
| VDVsx | rc_: so your stuff does not use any particular middleware atm ? | 07:27 |
| * w00t also has QMF battle scars, fwiw | 07:28 | |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6057 Rejected promotion request | 07:28 |
| w00t | so if you guys are working on email, I might be able to help somewhat at some point, as i'd like to see that gap addressed | 07:28 |
| w00t | my plan was going to be to take the models from the MeeGo email tablet client (it used QMF in the past, they switched to evolution before killing it, but the code is still in git history of course) and write a components UI around it | 07:29 |
| VDVsx | w00t: still remember what was the issues in qmf ? :D | 07:29 |
| w00t | but I never had any time to start that work really (apart from patching QMF to build on OS X) | 07:29 |
| w00t | VDVsx: "battle scars" was mostly a joke, though back when I was using it, the biggest problem was having to do threading ourselves | 07:30 |
| w00t | QMailThread or whatever it's called (which I presume does it nowdays) didn't exist then | 07:30 |
| VDVsx | yeah, there was very basic threading implementation before harmattan | 07:31 |
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| w00t | that, and OS X build issues | 07:31 |
| w00t | VDVsx: ironically, you partly broke that :) | 07:32 |
| VDVsx | but I'm quit happy with qmf now, we managed to reduce a lot the memory in "parked" stage, like 8-9mb :D in harmattan sometimes it takes 12-14mb just to be sitting there | 07:32 |
| rc_ | VDVsx, i am building on qmf | 07:32 |
| w00t | good indeed | 07:32 |
| w00t | for messageserver, you mean? | 07:32 |
| VDVsx | w00t: last time I build in OS X no problem | 07:32 |
| VDVsx | yes messageserver | 07:32 |
| VDVsx | I had a good week playing with massif and some other internal tools | 07:33 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6058 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6058 | 07:33 |
| rc_ | but as said.. there is not much functionality yet.. currently all it does is get a list of email accounts and there is the option to add an account.. however, i am right now struggling on how to store passwords | 07:33 |
| w00t | http://qtl.me/0001-check-for-libicu-s-pkgconfig-file.patch | 07:33 |
| rc_ | VDVsx, ^ | 07:33 |
| w00t | http://qtl.me/0002-check-for-zlib-via-pkgconfig-instead-of-relying-on-i.patch | 07:33 |
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| w00t | http://qtl.me/0003-wip-disable-hide_symbols-on-OS-X.patch | 07:34 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6059 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6059 | 07:35 |
| VDVsx | w00t: heh, some of those still apply now :D | 07:35 |
| w00t | they should all apply | 07:35 |
| w00t | they're on top of QMF master | 07:35 |
| VDVsx | testing in OS X was never done :D | 07:35 |
| VDVsx | w00t: did you submit theses patches somewhere ? | 07:36 |
| w00t | I mailed Don about it, but I think he's lost the will to work on QMF | 07:36 |
| w00t | I would submit to gerrit, but it's not in there | 07:36 |
| w00t | besides that, I haven't investigated the last patch as much as I'd like | 07:37 |
| VDVsx | w00t: yeah, Don is looking for new opportunities atm, ok, anyway will talk to Don and maybe Lars about this, otherwise QMF will become orphan ;D | 07:37 |
| w00t | cool :) | 07:37 |
| * abustany wonders if the email client in N9 is using qmf's sync API | 07:54 | |
| abustany | I'd bet a couple of apples on that | 07:54 |
| w00t | VDVsx: ^ | 07:55 |
| VDVsx | abustany: should be everything async for communication with messageserver, there's just a client lib in the middle and things are send to messageserver via qcop(kind of ipc thingy) | 07:57 |
| abustany | ok, interesting | 07:57 |
| abustany | I always wondered why moving a message freezes the UI for 2 to 3 seconds | 07:57 |
| abustany | note that it also happens for calendar | 07:57 |
| abustany | (and it never seemed to bother the people from these teams :) ) | 07:57 |
| VDVsx | ehehe | 07:58 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6060 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6060 | 07:58 |
| VDVsx | abustany: lots of interesting things happening there, I remember those bugs, but you know very well how bug management was done in harmattan, even if the team wants to fix things was not possible | 08:00 |
| abustany | yes, lots of "fun" | 08:00 |
| abustany | "no, you can't fix it, it's not flagged" "oooooh now it got flagged, now you need to fix it in 48h even if the bug was filed for 6 months already!" | 08:01 |
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| VDVsx | lol | 08:02 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6059 Accepted promotion request | 08:02 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6060 Accepted promotion request | 08:05 |
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| Sage | alterego, w00t, special: ok if I nuke libqttracker and libseaside or does someone need those? | 08:39 |
| w00t | nothing that I know of | 08:39 |
| Sage | last call sort of thing :) | 08:39 |
| w00t | destroy with prejudice | 08:39 |
| Sage | faenil: ping | 08:40 |
| special | should be fine as long as nothing depends on libqttracker | 08:40 |
| Sage | special: nothing should as it is alone in one project :) | 08:40 |
| w00t | qttracker is an abomination anyway | 08:40 |
| w00t | abustany: do you have recollections of that? isn't that what spurred cubi? :) | 08:41 |
| * abustany reads the backlog | 08:41 | |
| abustany | wooo, qttracker | 08:41 |
| Sage | is someone working on video support to gallery atm. faenil ? | 08:41 |
| abustany | is that still around? | 08:41 |
| w00t | abustany: it was in OBS, at least | 08:41 |
| * Sage nukes | 08:41 | |
| abustany | seaside is also some old crap no? | 08:41 |
| w00t | nothing we have used it for a long time I think | 08:41 |
| abustany | well I hope :p | 08:42 |
| w00t | seaside was used by meego-handset-people (which I replaced some weeks ago) | 08:42 |
| Sage | both gone now | 08:42 |
| Sage | only thing now is meego-handset-video and if there is some progress implementing that to gallery already. | 08:43 |
| Sage | For me it is enough if we can play simple video file nothing fancy just something and improve it later. | 08:44 |
| Sage | or at least a promise that it will be there in about a week or so ;) | 08:44 |
| phdeswer | Is timed still around? Getting issues with a control panel applet that depends on it... | 08:44 |
| Sage | phdeswer: yes it is | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: i'm thinking to replace it with systemd-timedated | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | which seems to have fairly nice interfaces | 08:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: alarms and timezones as well? | 08:46 |
| Sage | also remember that connman is also touching times ;) | 08:46 |
| Sage | so we have now 3 things there :P | 08:46 |
| phdeswer | Damn then I wonder what changed which causes the applets not to build now. (errors out on a fatal timed/interface include which does not exist) | 08:46 |
| phdeswer | And the biggest surprise is that it is the sound applet... WTF? | 08:48 |
| Sage | :D | 08:48 |
| Sage | bad dependency maybe? | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: sound.. what the fuck? | 08:48 |
| congly85 | Is there any one test libnice on N9 device ? | 08:50 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, Indeed. And when I add the timed dependency it fails somewhere else... I just added one small patch that changes a bit of the USB thing and that goes fine. Why does it not build anymore with totally unrelated stuff... | 08:51 |
| phdeswer | Ah and the timed depencency in the sound applet is for custom alarm sounds it seems. | 08:52 |
| congly85 | Hi nemomobile developer | 09:00 |
| congly85 | lastweek, I made a sip phone with libnice on N9 | 09:01 |
| congly85 | and I got a segmentation | 09:01 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6061 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6061 | 09:02 |
| congly85 | Can anybody made a sip phone on N9 with libnice here ? | 09:02 |
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| sledges | morning Sage, hope you slept out the ache :) | 09:12 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6062 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6062 | 09:14 |
| Sage | sledges: better but it still hurts like hell :/ | 09:14 |
| sledges | what's the most common profession in the world: a doctor -- if someone is under the weather, everyone can advise something :) | 09:15 |
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| sledges | here I go: for me it helps gargling with salt and a iodine-based spray :) | 09:15 |
| Sage | :) | 09:16 |
| sledges | back to Nemo: thanks for explaining the versioning bit yesterday | 09:16 |
| sledges | and therefore accepting the poweroff quickfix :) | 09:16 |
| Sage | :) | 09:16 |
| Sage | np | 09:16 |
| sledges | now is really clear | 09:16 |
| * sledges is thinking about FAQ | 09:17 | |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6061 Accepted promotion request | 09:19 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6062 Accepted promotion request | 09:26 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6063 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6063 | 09:28 |
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| dcthang | Do we have voip client for Nemo? | 10:19 |
| Sage | dcthang: voicecall hopefully supports SIP soon :) | 10:22 |
| dcthang | which package you mean?:) | 10:22 |
| Aard | dcthang: the dialer | 10:23 |
| Sage | voicecall package :) | 10:23 |
| dcthang | Will u use libnice? | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | what is libnice..? | 10:23 |
| Aard | dcthang: the middleware is there, so if you're desperate you might get a call working by doing manual dbus calls :p | 10:23 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: it's used for NAT | 10:23 |
| Sage | dcthang: currently telepathy-gable and telepathy-farsight depends on libnice at least. | 10:24 |
| Sage | the sip stuff (telepathy-rakia) doesn't | 10:24 |
| dcthang | ok, Could you please give me the exact pack for that? | 10:25 |
| dcthang | Does it exist on repo? | 10:25 |
| Sage | dcthang: the package name is "voicecall" :) | 10:26 |
| Sage | dcthang: also not sure if has the sip support yet in but will have soonish | 10:26 |
| dcthang | ok, thanks. I guess this one is correct soonish | 10:27 |
| dcthang | https://gitorious.org/voicecall | 10:27 |
| Sage | no. https://github.com/nemomobile/voicecall | 10:27 |
| dcthang | ah ok, still | 10:27 |
| dcthang | :P | 10:27 |
| Sage | alterego: can you remove that gitorious tree :) | 10:27 |
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| Sage | anyone interested of updating musicshelf app in nemo? | 11:19 |
| Sage | and phonon and phonon-backend-gstreamer :) | 11:20 |
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| * w00t doesn't want to volunteer for that one | 11:35 | |
| rozhkov | is nemo obs loaded with something? package publishing in my home project takes ages | 11:39 |
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| Stskeeps | new mer prerelease | 11:41 |
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| rozhkov | ah.. | 11:42 |
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| VDVsx | w00t: had lunch with Don, he agreed to move qmf to qt-project.org infra, let's see now what is required | 11:44 |
| w00t | VDVsx: ++ :) | 11:46 |
| w00t | i guess meeting f2f with people has its benefits :) | 11:46 |
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| VDVsx | yup, and easy since he's my neighbour :D | 11:50 |
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| w00t | ah | 12:02 |
| w00t | that's cheating ;) | 12:02 |
| w00t | VDVsx: re: OS X builds, I didn't start digging around objtool (like I say, I want to do some more digging), but bisect showed that adding that caused linking to fail - and removing it made linking work again, so.. I suspect that this compiler really barfs on visibility hiding somehow | 12:07 |
| w00t | (gcc version 4.2.1 (Based on Apple Inc. build 5658) (LLVM build 2336.9.00)) | 12:07 |
| VDVsx | humm, I might have different compiler now since I build it, let me check what version | 12:08 |
| VDVsx | but yes that visibility changes are not included in the code that I compiled, they are anyway easy to remove just to try out | 12:09 |
| w00t | (the reason I bring it up is that don mentioned it, he mailed me just now :-p) | 12:09 |
| w00t | if you could give it a shot - assuming you have OS X around - i'd appreciate the additional datapoint | 12:10 |
| VDVsx | are you sure you don't have any qmf old libs around as well ? | 12:10 |
| w00t | nope | 12:10 |
| w00t | I hadn't touched QMF until I tried to build it that day in about.. a year, or so | 12:10 |
| VDVsx | eheh | 12:10 |
| w00t | sledges: I'm just going to import all our existing systemui patches into git, because I need to do some work in there too | 12:11 |
| w00t | Sage: ^ | 12:11 |
| VDVsx | humm, something wrong with my mac, looks like some $paths are not set or gone, might be related to the OS upgrade :) | 12:11 |
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| w00t | 10.8? I haven't been game to touch that yet :-) | 12:12 |
| VDVsx | w00t: I'll let you know later about the result | 12:12 |
| VDVsx | yes latest | 12:12 |
| w00t | cool | 12:12 |
| Sage | w00t: go for it | 12:12 |
| VDVsx | but I've a macbook air not very powerful to compile stuff :P | 12:13 |
| w00t | early 2011 mbp | 12:13 |
| w00t | i feel outdated, but it's a hell of a powerful machine really | 12:13 |
| sledges | w00t, my OBS patch is already (duplicated) as a pull request on github. Ok for another (trivial) patch of mine | 12:14 |
| w00t | sledges: i'm pulling everything from OBS | 12:15 |
| sledges | then we should discard the pull request | 12:15 |
| w00t | yes, that's why I was letting you know | 12:15 |
| sledges | ok | 12:15 |
| w00t | 17 patches | 12:15 |
| w00t | 2804 lines total | 12:16 |
| w00t | not bad... | 12:16 |
| w00t | P | 12:16 |
| sledges | crikey | 12:16 |
| w00t | :P* | 12:16 |
| sledges | :) | 12:16 |
| sledges | I will improve the bits Ionakka told me to, after you've imported | 12:16 |
| w00t | BMC_14873_reset_dad_on_rotation.patch: dropping (as I'm working on removing the lockscreen from sysuid) | 12:18 |
| sledges | poor dad | 12:19 |
| sledges | :) | 12:19 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6067 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6067 | 12:20 |
| w00t | I wonder if BMC_21860_battery_charging_animation.patch could be the cause for high CPU use on charger plugged in | 12:22 |
| w00t | Sage: ^ | 12:22 |
| VDVsx | w00t: found my gcc should be the same, they moved these tools to /Developer/usr... a bit strange since that dir is not in the system path O_o i686-apple-darwin10-gcc-4.2.1 (GCC) 4.2.1 (Apple Inc. build 5664) | 12:32 |
| w00t | Xcode 4.3 changed that I think | 12:32 |
| VDVsx | maybe was that, I installed the latest XCode some weeks ago | 12:32 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6065 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6065 | 12:40 |
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| alterego | Sage: do you mean remove the "voicecall" gitorious tree? | 13:04 |
| sledges | I'm pretty sure Sage does mean that, alterego | 13:11 |
| sledges | alterego, are you in power to remove the orphaned gitorious/meegotouch-systemui as well? it has a new home under github/nemomobile/ | 13:11 |
| veskuh | HWKB + VKB combo having issues or did something go wrong for me when I did zypper up? | 13:12 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6068 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6068 | 13:20 |
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| Sage | alterego: yes I mean that. | 13:32 |
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| rozhkov | Sage: it's recommended to accept SR#6068 together with SR#6069 and SR#6070 :) | 13:42 |
| rozhkov | Sage: btw, do yo have plan to move policy-settings-basic-n9* to adaptation? | 13:43 |
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| Sage | rozhkov: yes those should go to adaptations with the new nemo structure | 13:44 |
| rozhkov | ok | 13:45 |
| Sage | rozhkov: will be building adaptations against nemo:mw then | 13:45 |
| Sage | currently adaptations builds against mer core | 13:45 |
| rozhkov | right... though this bugs me a bit - adaptation depending on mw | 13:46 |
| Sage | rozhkov: you should learn how to do creq :) | 13:46 |
| rozhkov | Sage: what's that? | 13:46 |
| Sage | rozhkov: doing multiple packages in one SR thus not breaking stuff if all not accepted at once | 13:46 |
| Sage | osc creq -a submit prj pkg prj2 -a submit prj pkg2 prj2 ... | 13:47 |
| rozhkov | Sage: thanks, will write it down | 13:47 |
| Sage | rozhkov: well adaptation depending on mw concerns me a bit as well, but how would you solv that? | 13:48 |
| Sage | nemo mw components have hw dependant things and hw adaptaitons should really be separated from everything else | 13:48 |
| Sage | currently policy and usb-moded stuff is in mw and ux ;) | 13:48 |
| Sage | the hw adaptation related configs of thsoe | 13:49 |
| rozhkov | Sage: i think these policy settings are about productization, not adaptation | 13:49 |
| rozhkov | also customization comes to my mind... | 13:51 |
| Sage | well, some of it is maybe customization but I would say some is adaptation or even common stuff that should be shared between all adaptations | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | can we include files in policy? | 13:52 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | rozkov somewhat makes sense - there's adaptation, and then there's device behaviour (ui related) | 13:52 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: well, the only thing we would depend on nemo:mw is that those mw components are not in mer core ;) | 13:53 |
| * w00t watches frankensysuid build | 13:53 | |
| sledges | "is ALIVE"! | 13:54 |
| w00t | not yet, it isn't | 13:56 |
| w00t | I hope it might this time | 13:56 |
| * Sage ponders why pandaboard kernel (3.4.0) booted without the -mno-unaligned-access patch | 13:58 | |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: they fixed it there | 13:59 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: sure about that or just a guess? | 13:59 |
| Sage | what version they fixed it in? | 14:00 |
| Stskeeps | fairly sure | 14:00 |
| alterego | sledges: I think half the problem is that no one has access to the stuff in the meego project ;) That is why we're forking everything to github :) | 14:00 |
| alterego | sledges: but voicecall is my own project so :) | 14:01 |
| alterego | Stskeeps, Sage: When will new ofono be available in nemo? | 14:01 |
| sledges | alterego, I sensed that :)) | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: -next, building | 14:01 |
| sledges | in hope you'd be a github admin :) | 14:02 |
| alterego | lol | 14:03 |
| alterego | telepathy-ring needs to be updated at some point | 14:03 |
| sledges | *gitorious | 14:03 |
| alterego | Doesn't seem to use the proper Call interface sthat new telepathy provides, it's still using this old MediaStream stuff. doesn't really matter, but would make my code a _lot_simpler :) | 14:04 |
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| * w00t loves messages 0.0.2 | 14:17 | |
| w00t | chat history is delightful | 14:17 |
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| Sage | w00t: should google talk work on the qmlmessages/contacts now? | 14:30 |
| w00t | you can send messages over xmpp (gtalk) yes | 14:31 |
| w00t | there is not (yet) any contacts integration for that though | 14:31 |
| alterego | I need to integrate contacts into commhistory declarative I guess. | 14:31 |
| alterego | Or does it need to be lower or higher? | 14:31 |
| w00t | you already have the QML contacts import, you won't need anything additional | 14:32 |
| w00t | I was meaning that there's no button in contacts to send messages et | 14:32 |
| w00t | c | 14:32 |
| * alterego disables ofono voice call provider and enables telepathy provider :) | 14:32 | |
| * alterego prepares for new release. | 14:32 | |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6072 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6072 | 14:35 |
| Sage | hmmp... I tried to send jabber message and got sms error not | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | anybody in here who's interested in camera sensors, open source camera libraries, etc? | 14:38 |
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| Sage | w00t: we are missing one graphical asset when message is sent to user apparently | 14:43 |
| w00t | in statusbar? i noticed that too now | 14:44 |
| Sage | also enter key in messages doesn't sent message | 14:44 |
| w00t | still, how cool is it that it *works*? :P | 14:44 |
| w00t | and chat history.. that's awesome | 14:44 |
| Sage | w00t: very cool | 14:44 |
| Sage | ping me more ;) | 14:44 |
| Sage | and again | 14:45 |
| alterego | Hrm, not sure I like that white bar home screen page indicator at the top .. | 14:46 |
| w00t | alterego: it'll make more sense in the future when there's more pages as venemo is planning | 14:46 |
| w00t | i think i'd like it more in landscape mode (assuming it didn't move to the top of the screen there..) | 14:47 |
| w00t | anyway, at least we have something very easy to hack, now | 14:47 |
| alterego | It just looks out of place and it's too close to the icons | 14:47 |
| alterego | Add a margin and change the color :) | 14:48 |
| w00t | talk to venemo | 14:48 |
| w00t | he's working on the homescreen, i'm just helping enabling it | 14:48 |
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| quixote1 | Trying to get Nemo on microsd on my N900. Used bzcat nemo-handset-armv7hl-n900-0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 | sudo dd bs=4096 of=/dev/sdb (as on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing). When I boot from the microsd it starts, blue Nemo logo comes up, then a few more error messages, then it turns itself off. Anybody else had this happen? Or just a bad image download? | 14:59 |
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| alterego | w00t: how does qmlmessages have history without commhistory? | 16:04 |
| alterego | Home brew? | 16:04 |
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| Sage | quixote1: low batttery maybe? | 16:24 |
| Sage | quixote1: or display blanks, have you tried if pressing powerbutton shortly shows lockscreen? | 16:24 |
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| quixote1 | The battery had plenty of power. Haven't tried the short press of powerbutton. I'll try that. I'll also try to read the gray on black error msgs which zipped by kind of fast. | 16:34 |
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| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6073 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6073 | 17:58 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6070 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6070 | 17:58 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6069 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/6069 | 17:58 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6066 Rejected promotion request | 17:58 |
| faenil | Sage, ping | 18:02 |
| faenil | sorry, I've been out all day, back now ;) | 18:03 |
| faenil | hope it's not too late :P | 18:04 |
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| Sage | faenil: hi | 18:15 |
| Sage | faenil: you have videos working? ;) | 18:15 |
| faenil | hi :) | 18:15 |
| faenil | Sage, yes ;) | 18:16 |
| Sage | \o/ | 18:16 |
| faenil | Sage, just trying to get it in shape... | 18:16 |
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| faenil | QML Video has some annoying flickering which happens when I overlap UI elements to the video playback (like a menu or something) | 18:16 |
| Sage | faenil: minor things | 18:17 |
| faenil | Sage, yeah, but since we're there ;) is there a deadline? :D | 18:17 |
| Sage | faenil: Well, I'm doing snapshot images on monday maybe or sooner depending when mer release is published | 18:18 |
| faenil | oh well, lots of time :) | 18:19 |
| faenil | Sage, I actually got also HW Acc video playback to work :) (on some formats), but that requires packages to be added, we'll look into that later :) | 18:20 |
| Sage | faenil: oh, nice. | 18:21 |
| sledges | \O/ | 18:22 |
| faenil | sledges, hey :) | 18:22 |
| veskuh | faenil: video formats sounds like stuff that should be written to wiki so that others do not need to experiment with what works | 18:22 |
| sledges | ahoj faenil keep up the good work | 18:23 |
| veskuh | faenil: anyway, cool stuff | 18:23 |
| faenil | sledges, :) | 18:23 |
| faenil | veskuh, yeah, need to gather some info about that, once I fix the current problems with the "video player" (i.e. that flickering) | 18:23 |
| faenil | veskuh, do you know anything about that by any chance? Video tries to draw on the UI, and UI tries to draw on video, so I get flickering (this only happens when UI and video overlap) | 18:24 |
| veskuh | faenil: Personally no. | 18:25 |
| faenil | ok np | 18:26 |
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| Sage | faenil: make a pull request to qmlgallery if you want so people can read and comment. Someone might spot something. | 18:28 |
| faenil | Sage, I'll do that once I have run out of ideas :) | 18:29 |
| faenil | still have to try some things | 18:29 |
| Sage | ok :) | 18:29 |
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| Sage | oh, rdelete --resursive --force actually can delete projects that people depend on good :) | 18:35 |
| sledges | 8} | 18:37 |
| Sage | lbt: something wrong with cbos | 18:39 |
| Sage | lbt: lots of stuff is blocked but almost nothing is building | 18:39 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AMW%3AShared <- for example | 18:40 |
| Sage | whyt all the "clocks" | 18:40 |
| Sage | phaeron: ^ just in case you are here as well ;) | 18:40 |
| phaeron | Sage: maybe publisher is ill | 18:42 |
| phaeron | woah load 20 | 18:45 |
| phaeron | lbt: ping | 18:45 |
| Sage | eh :) | 18:45 |
| the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#6072 Rejected promotion request | 18:46 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey | 18:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | any input on the new home screen is greatly appreciated | 18:49 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, read backlog, alterego has some feedback ;) | 18:51 |
| special | alterego: yes, I just hacked it in for the moment, I'll port it to the real declarative solution once that is ready enough. | 18:51 |
| Sage | special: nice work on qmlmessages btw :) | 18:51 |
| special | Sage: thanks :) | 18:51 |
| faenil | special, you know you'll hate me when you'll receive the pull request, don't you :D | 18:52 |
| faenil | when you receive* | 18:52 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, ah ok. I'll read the channel log | 18:52 |
| special | faenil: that big? | 18:54 |
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| faenil | special, nope, but it's one commit :/ I couldn't split it in many parts, didn't make much sense to me :/ | 18:55 |
| faenil | you'll still love me, won't you :D | 18:57 |
| Venemo_N9 | alterego, feel like discussing your ideas? | 18:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: nemo snapshot with mer next will be delayed as there is some problem with cobs atm. | 18:59 |
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| faenil | special, ... :P | 19:05 |
| special | faenil: we can manage | 19:06 |
| phaeron | the kde stuff is really heavy | 19:06 |
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| faenil | special, know anything about what could cause the flickering of overlapping UI elements? video and anything over it | 19:07 |
| special | only while video is playing, or always? | 19:08 |
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| faenil | special, only when playing, but when it's not, the screen stays black...it seems QML doesn't repaint the video element | 19:14 |
| faenil | special, when playing, I open menu and get flicker, when not playing I pause video (the image of the pause video is there), open menu --> no flicker but paused video disappears | 19:15 |
| faenil | as if they're drawing on two different surfaces and one ignores the other | 19:15 |
| phaeron | Sage: kicked the publisher , hope it works now | 19:15 |
| special | faenil: they probably are drawing on a different surface | 19:16 |
| faenil | special, yeah...though it keeps calling QGraphicsVideoItem::paint while the menu is opening...but the screen stays black | 19:17 |
| faenil | so essentially, they're both trying to draw one on top of the other | 19:17 |
| faenil | any idea? | 19:17 |
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| special | I'd have to look at it | 19:18 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 19:19 |
| faenil | special, using a QGLWidget as viewport now though ;) | 19:20 |
| special | why? | 19:20 |
| faenil | because that's the fix for the lag issue ;) | 19:21 |
| special | that's very strange; meegographicssystem handles switching to GL (graphicssystem, though, not widget) automatically. | 19:21 |
| faenil | there was a warning about "flushing a native child widget" | 19:22 |
| faenil | so I force the gl viewport, and that fixed it :) | 19:23 |
| faenil | flushing to * | 19:23 |
| faenil | forced* | 19:23 |
| special | mm | 19:25 |
| special | the question is why | 19:25 |
| faenil | special, I know another guy who had the same problem on harmattan (though not with the qml video) | 19:27 |
| Sage | phaeron: thx. I can still see those clocks around different projects. Maybe it needs more time | 19:28 |
| phaeron | it gets stuck again on Project:KDE:Devel/CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7l | 19:30 |
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| faenil | special, though the first question is, why does the QGraphicsVideoItem exist once the Video item is destroyed? (and keeps painting) | 19:30 |
| special | yes, that's part of what I mean by "why" | 19:32 |
| special | regardless, I think you should submit it sooner, before trying to make everything perfect. | 19:33 |
| special | release early and often, push even earlier and more often | 19:33 |
| Sage | phaeron: :/ | 19:33 |
| faenil | special, k ... | 19:35 |
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| Venemo | alterego, ping | 19:40 |
| phaeron | Sage: yes it needs time | 19:41 |
| Venemo | hey phaeron :) how are you? | 19:44 |
| phaeron | Venemo: hello | 19:45 |
| Venemo | seen the new home screen? | 19:46 |
| * Sage removes more of projects from cobs that are not needed | 19:48 | |
| Sage | now that removing works :P | 19:48 |
| phaeron | Venemo: nope not yet :) | 19:49 |
| faenil | special, could be double buffering issue | 19:49 |
| phaeron | maybe when new nemo comes out | 19:49 |
| Venemo | :) | 19:50 |
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| faenil | does anyone have harmattan booted right now? | 19:57 |
| Sage | faenil: sure | 19:58 |
| faenil | Sage, could you please check if the toolbar to play/pause/whatever is displayed on top of the video | 19:58 |
| faenil | or if the video is resized? | 19:59 |
| faenil | (in gallery in harmattan) | 19:59 |
| faenil | (not the separate video player ^^) | 19:59 |
| Sage | faenil: yes | 20:00 |
| Sage | controls appear on top of the video | 20:00 |
| faenil | Sage, ok thanks ;) | 20:00 |
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| quixote1 | Sage (way back, hours ago) suggested short press of power button for my Nemo install problem. Yes! That works! (Now I find out I don't know how to get back to main screen from Settings. :rollseyes: Swipe! That's it. I'm trainable.) | 20:35 |
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| faenil | special, fwiw, I don't have such problems using qtgstreamer, and what's sad is I don't know if this makes me sad or happy | 20:52 |
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| faenil | QDeclarativeVideo.cpp is from 2009, gh :( | 21:00 |
| special | faenil: my uninformed guess would be that qtgstreamer is using very basic rendering through QGV, and QML Video is doing something a bit more intensive | 21:02 |
| faenil | special, but there are no problems on Symbian, if you see this http://projects.developer.nokia.com/videoplayer | 21:03 |
| special | there's a good chance it's fixable with the right tweak somewhere. | 21:03 |
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| faenil | you know what, I'll just try right now on my gf's N8, same code | 21:04 |
| special | I'm not very interested in what happens on symbian, everything is different on symbian. | 21:05 |
| faenil | fair enough | 21:07 |
| faenil | special, on qtgstreamer's QML player I have to set the surface myself, and it gets it from main.cpp | 21:07 |
| faenil | while QML Video most likely creates a new surface...that's the problem imho | 21:07 |
| faenil | at least that's what I see here, http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/master/src/multimedia/qgraphicsvideoitem.cpp#line206ù | 21:08 |
| faenil | at least that's what I see here, http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/master/src/multimedia/qgraphicsvideoitem.cpp#line206ù | 21:08 |
| faenil | at least that's what I see here, http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/master/src/multimedia/qgraphicsvideoitem.cpp#line206 | 21:08 |
| faenil | argh | 21:08 |
| special | I'm not worried about having bugs in new features. If it can play video and it looks mostly okay, it's good enough to start | 21:08 |
| faenil | yeah I know your thought :( get it out and fix it after.. | 21:09 |
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| special | among other things, I can't offer suggestions or insights until I can see the problem | 21:15 |
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| faenil | special, agree | 21:20 |
| phdeswer | anybody any idea what the exact difference between Requires: pkgconfig(qmsystem2) and Requires: qmsystem is? | 21:25 |
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| w00t | phdeswer: one looks it up using pkgconfig, one doesn't - as for why that's useful, i'm not sure | 21:46 |
| Stskeeps | phdeswer: when there is a foo.pc file, a Provides: pkgconfig(foo) dep is made | 21:47 |
| phdeswer | w00t, problem is that it seems to behave very differently. It seems to pull in different versions, or even none... | 21:47 |
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| Venemo | actually, Requires: pkgconfig(something) is very useful because it works accross different distributions and package naming conventions | 21:49 |
| Venemo | for example, Qt is packaged as a single package on Fedora, but many other distros separate it to different packages by modules. | 21:50 |
| Venemo | but I can just say: Requires: pkgconfig(QtCore) and it will grab the necessary packages everywhere. | 21:51 |
| phdeswer | Well it does seem to do very weird things with qmsystem... | 21:52 |
| Venemo | what does it do exactly? | 21:53 |
| phdeswer | with pkgconfig I don't even know if it is found. If I force it with package version it pulls in the right version, but then things explode in the controlpanel-applets. | 21:53 |
| phdeswer | Of course it does not help that all these meegotouch things have code duplication and stuff to work around a missing qmsystem. | 21:55 |
| Venemo | eh. | 21:56 |
| phdeswer | And it does not help that obs does not leave a buildroot where you can go dig into to find out what might be happening. | 21:56 |
| Venemo | eh. | 21:56 |
| phdeswer | Guess I will have to go local build or so on this. | 21:56 |
| Stskeeps | grab mer platform sdk and it should be a breeze | 21:58 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps +1 | 21:58 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, btw, could you please update "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-latest.tar.bz2" at https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/ ? it seems to be not the latest anymore | 21:59 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, think I grabbed that already sometime. Need to check again what I did with it and how it works. | 22:00 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps, actually I was tricked into thinking that it's the latest, while it's more than a month older than the actual latest one | 22:00 |
| phdeswer | Wtf? With the dependency removed it fails in the same place as with Requires:qmsystem >= 1.4.3.1, however I know in that case qmsystem is there as my changes which rely on qmsystem changes in that version compile. | 22:05 |
| * phdeswer does not like not knowing enough of obs (or its lack of transparency) | 22:05 | |
| Stskeeps | uhh | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | Requires:? don't you mean BuildRequires: \ | 22:06 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 22:06 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, yes sorry | 22:06 |
| phdeswer | Getting a bit confused with deb/rpm terminology | 22:08 |
| phdeswer | I think... | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | so, the problem is you get pulled in the wrong package during build phase? | 22:09 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, checking it atm... Or that somehow something else happens with the build | 22:10 |
| phdeswer | Should have been looking into the logs deeper. | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | check chroot setup phase as a start | 22:13 |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, was already ahead of you there. | 22:17 |
| phdeswer | But I think I will have to check the chroot contents. Running a last test build now to get those logs... | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | k | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | bbl sleep | 22:18 |
| * phdeswer has the feeling something goes wrong with an include. | 22:18 | |
| phdeswer | Stskeeps, goodnight! | 22:18 |
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| phdeswer | How can I find out the difference between qmsystem-1.4.3.1-1.1.Nemo and qmsystem-1.4.3.1-1.2.Nemo? Seems BuildRequires: pkgconfig(...) and ... >= gives different packages | 22:24 |
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| phdeswer | WTF? Yet another version (but looks like the right one this time)... | 22:28 |
| w00t | phdeswer: that's just a rebuild, i'm pretty sure you'll find | 22:30 |
| w00t | => no changes | 22:30 |
| phdeswer | w00t, Weirdly enough different results | 22:36 |
| w00t | different in what way? | 22:36 |
| w00t | the rebuild is most likely caused by the mer upgrade in OBS, so a lot of stuff will rebuild/change while that's going on | 22:36 |
| phdeswer | Now it seems to have grabbed the right one, build with the the HAVE_QMSYSTEM define and it fails still | 22:37 |
| phdeswer | w00t, in one case it builds. In the other not. | 22:37 |
| w00t | mm | 22:38 |
| phdeswer | In one case it has HAVE_QMSYSTEM in the other not, despite qmsystem being there... | 22:38 |
| w00t | which package is this? | 22:38 |
| phdeswer | That is even weirder. | 22:38 |
| phdeswer | meegotouch-controlpanel | 22:38 |
| w00t | and how is HAVE_QMSYSTEM set? | 22:38 |
| phdeswer | I am trying to add the mtp functionality. Without my patch it builds. With it, it fails in some part of the build that is not even remotely touched... | 22:39 |
| w00t | always fun | 22:39 |
| phdeswer | The HAVE_QMSYSTEM is set by some configure script that writes a some .pri file I believe | 22:39 |
| w00t | is this in OBS, or a local build? | 22:39 |
| phdeswer | OBS still | 22:39 |
| phdeswer | It is weird. Branch it builds. Add a patch that touches two files, it fails (and not in the patched files but with something totally unrelated) | 22:41 |
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| phdeswer | Well at first it failed in the patched area since it pulled in what must have been the wrong qmsystem version. | 22:42 |
| phdeswer | Randomness... | 22:42 |
| phdeswer | It does not help that the whole Qt/C++ thing is something I only touched rarely and don't know so well | 22:43 |
| phdeswer | Well I will throw in a local build later today. Time for me to go to sleep. Thanks guys. | 22:46 |
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| niqt | can someone help me with obs? | 23:22 |
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