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| iekku | morning | 04:50 |
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| tsiirone | good morning | 05:12 |
| Stskeeps | good morning | 05:13 |
| special | it's not morning for another 45 minutes | 05:13 |
| dm8tbr | someone's not on UGT yet | 05:15 |
| special | hah, hadn't seen that before | 05:22 |
| special | but still - before 9am isn't morning, sane people are still asleep. | 05:23 |
| timoph | nah. some people have been 2h at work already | 05:24 |
| timoph | (not claiming being sane) | 05:25 |
| iekku | timoph, haha | 05:48 |
| iekku | i usually start working between 7-8 | 05:48 |
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| timoph | nice and quiet at the office during early hours | 05:50 |
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| timoph | do we want to change the default background image at some point? | 06:07 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 06:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's fall now? | 06:08 |
| w00t | feels like summer here .. | 06:08 |
| timoph | niina was in switzerland last week climbing and has some pretty cool photos that we might be able to use | 06:09 |
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| timoph | i just need the requirements for the photo and double check with niina that it's ok to use her photos | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, cc sa 3.0 etc | 06:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:12 |
| timoph | yep | 06:13 |
| timoph | I'll show the photo I'm thinking about after she wakes up. don't have here with me | 06:16 |
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| curiosity_ | Hello! | 06:20 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: btw, if cc sa 3.0 requires crediting the photographer where those credits go in nemo? | 06:40 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: /Contributors? | 06:40 |
| timoph | ah | 06:41 |
| Stskeeps | theres a text file i guess | 06:41 |
| timoph | about product has a list of people at least | 06:42 |
| timoph | although it's still missing scandic letters from people's names | 06:42 |
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| * timoph is Timo Hrknen there :p | 06:43 | |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | there's a bug fix for that | 06:43 |
| timoph | the contributors link points to meego wiki | 06:44 |
| timoph | in the about product page | 06:44 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: is that our version of "there's an app for that"? | 06:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 06:45 |
| timoph | :) | 06:45 |
| special | is "cmt_speech: Unable to initialize HSI" a known problem? | 06:46 |
| special | I noticed earlier that it's flooding dmesg with about 4 messages / second. | 06:47 |
| special | (on n950) | 06:47 |
| timoph | just updating nemo on n950. I can check after the update finishes | 06:48 |
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| xbarmar | special: I'm facing the same on n900 recently | 06:50 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5854 Accepted promotion request | 06:54 |
| timoph | some systemd warning during update: http://pastie.org/4531095 | 06:55 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: Sage ^ | 06:55 |
| timoph | also ofono failed | 06:56 |
| timoph | warning: %post(ofono-1.8-1.1.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 07:00 |
| Sage | hmmp | 07:06 |
| Sage | I really can't see how the ofono thing can happen | 07:07 |
| Sage | timoph: did it complain anything else? | 07:07 |
| Sage | line before or so? | 07:07 |
| Sage | it uses systemctl and it has requires systemd which provides systemctl cmd | 07:07 |
| Sage | Requres(post): systemd that is | 07:07 |
| Sage | timoph: you should file a but to mer about that systemd issue | 07:09 |
| timoph | no just "job failed. see system journal and 'systemctl status' for details' | 07:14 |
| timoph | can't check though | 07:14 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5851 Accepted promotion request | 07:16 |
| Sage | ah, ok. So startup of that failed for some reason. Some dependency maybe not available or something | 07:19 |
| timoph | Sage: the systemd thing filed as #540 | 07:20 |
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| timoph | lets see if this thing still boots :) | 07:21 |
| Sage | timoph: as it is arm it should :) | 07:22 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5857 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5857 | 07:22 |
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| timoph | yep. it does | 07:24 |
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| timoph | hmmh. connman unavailable | 07:25 |
| special | run it as root and it'll work fine, Sage already promised that one will be fixed | 07:25 |
| timoph | yeah. dmesg getting flooded with cmt_speech errors | 07:26 |
| Sage | fixed in next mer release that connman issue | 07:27 |
| timoph | ack | 07:27 |
| Sage | timoph: ln -s ../network.target /lib/systemd/system/multi-user.target.wants/network.target | 07:27 |
| Sage | for the connman not available thingy | 07:27 |
| timoph | thanks | 07:34 |
| Sage | lbt: boss is behaving very slowly again not sure if it stalled to some request | 07:40 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5857 Accepted promotion request | 07:42 |
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| timoph | seems that the names in the about product page are now fixed | 08:00 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5858 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5858 | 08:02 |
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| sledges | goood morning! | 08:03 |
| Sage | morning | 08:04 |
| rcg-work | morning | 08:04 |
| sledges | FRIDAY! 8) | 08:05 |
| Juhi24 | \o/ | 08:05 |
| iekku | \o/ | 08:06 |
| iekku | it's been hard week | 08:06 |
| iekku | waiting to get over for work day and then go fishing or pickin mushrooms | 08:07 |
| sledges | good rain for mushrooms? :) | 08:09 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5858 Accepted promotion request | 08:35 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5859 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5859 | 08:35 |
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| t-lo1 | Hello there. | 09:09 |
| Figure | hi | 09:09 |
| t-lo1 | I'm new to mer/nemo and about to do some work on a few bug tracker issues to get used to the project. | 09:10 |
| lbt | t-lo1: welome | 09:10 |
| t-lo1 | @lbt kthx! :) | 09:10 |
| t-lo1 | Since I'm interested in firmware development I got started w/ the Platform SDK and am currently building mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120517.1.ks. | 09:13 |
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| t-lo1 | On the Mer SDK wiki page I noticed that some examples use "nemo.ks" (like the second box in sub-chapter "Building an image": <https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Building_an_image>). | 09:15 |
| t-lo1 | I'd like to know if I'm doing the right thing when building from the latest Mer kickstart file, or if I should start with nemo.ks right away. | 09:16 |
| t-lo1 | First step would be to actually *find* the relevant nemo.ks build configuration. | 09:17 |
| t-lo1 | Any hints/pointers? | 09:17 |
| Figure | t-lo1: the .ks you are using is the bare minimum as far as I know. | 09:21 |
| t-lo1 | @Figure OK | 09:22 |
| Figure | t-lo1: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out <-- first .ks fo nemo I found | 09:24 |
| t-lo1 | @Figure: Cool! | 09:24 |
| t-lo1 | The actual reason why I'm building is to be able to reproduce erroneous behavior of a bug report in e.g. qemu. | 09:27 |
| sledges | t-lo1, if you need just to reproduce, you can start with prebuilt i586-vm images instead | 09:28 |
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| sledges | i.e. cut down to the chase | 09:28 |
| t-lo1 | @sledges: Ahm, well, I'm planning to actually fix something :) , then rebuild and test. Do you think this is possible w/ i586-vm? | 09:30 |
| Figure | t-lo1: for building you only need the minimum.. it dl's the needed packages.. | 09:30 |
| Figure | testing can be done with the -vm by transfering the .rpm | 09:30 |
| sledges | yes, rebuilding only the erroneous packages on OBS | 09:30 |
| sledges | or SDK, if you prefer | 09:31 |
| t-lo1 | @sledges: I'd prefer rebuilding locally first, before committing anything to OBS. | 09:31 |
| sledges | on OBS you branch a package and play as much as you want before committing anything back to the origin | 09:32 |
| sledges | but as I say, it's just one way of doing things | 09:32 |
| sledges | of you are on a train with only your powerless-to-heavily-crosscompile netbook for example ;) | 09:33 |
| t-lo1 | @sledges: i7@2.8GHz, 8GByte RAM, w/ SSD :D | 09:33 |
| sledges | on a train? ;D | 09:34 |
| t-lo1 | Not quite, at home in sunny Berlin, but yes, it's a laptop. | 09:34 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5859 Accepted promotion request | 09:52 |
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| sledges | thank you for accepting my SRs the other day Sage; so now we have a patch for meegotouch-community-l10n which wants to be forked to github/nemomobile as well ;) | 09:56 |
| sledges | s/which/which in turn/ | 09:56 |
| timoph | hmmh. is there some time after wlan interface disconnects when the screen is locked? | 09:59 |
| timoph | doesn't seem to bring back the connection every time | 10:00 |
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| t-lo1 | Do I understand this correctly: building "mer-sb2sdk-i486-chroot-0.20120517.1.ks" w/ the platform SDK builds the SDK itself? | 10:04 |
| sledges | t-lo1 yes | 10:05 |
| sledges | PS: building != compiling | 10:05 |
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| sledges | .ks just fetches already prebuilt [binary] .RPMs and makes an [installation] image according to its rules | 10:05 |
| sledges | that's called "building" in this case | 10:06 |
| t-lo1 | @sledges: cool! I already noticed it's mainly wrapping up and packaging stuff, then wrapping it up . | 10:06 |
| sledges | yes | 10:06 |
| sledges | but it is good you want to understand how .ks becomes .iso , before you start fixing bugs ;) | 10:07 |
| sledges | s/becomes/produces/ | 10:07 |
| t-lo1 | @sledges: yupp, it's exactly the kind of thing I'm looking to do right now, to get in touch with everything. Let's proceed w/ mer-core-i586.ks, then. | 10:08 |
| sledges | will get you a notion of "repositories", which is a very powerful yet flexible feature of OpenSUSE Build Server (and hence MeeGo and Mer and Nemo ...) | 10:08 |
| sledges | which will be your next task ;) | 10:08 |
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| Ionakka | sledges: hi | 10:09 |
| Ionakka | Sage, w00t: did either one of you "adopt" meegotouch-systemui yesterday? | 10:10 |
| sledges | hey Ionakka you disappeared yesterday :) | 10:10 |
| sledges | it just got cloned to github/nemomobile | 10:10 |
| Ionakka | yeah, i had to run | 10:10 |
| Ionakka | good | 10:10 |
| sledges | but I found other project needing to be forked: meegotouch-community-l10n | 10:10 |
| sledges | as there's a patch pending | 10:10 |
| sledges | but no movement since, Sage's been busy I guess, same w00t | 10:10 |
| Ionakka | ok | 10:11 |
| w00t | I have no plans to adopt it or touch it unless I need to, for whatever reason | 10:11 |
| sledges | w00t, I thought similar: there are loads of packages on OBS which are caked-up with .patches, and noone's cloning anything :) | 10:11 |
| w00t | sledges: we don't need to do it for every single package | 10:12 |
| w00t | just ones that we have plans to actively do a lot with | 10:12 |
| w00t | having some patches is ok, basically, but when there's too many, or they're too complex, then it's time to move to a repository | 10:12 |
| sledges | but probably Sage just wanted to start making things look elegant, by slashing dead meego on gitorious; although not avoiding redundancy and inflicting confusion one a mere Joe from the internet dose not know here to clone from or where to submit patches anymore (two same projects, hosted under different umbrella projects) | 10:12 |
| w00t | pulseaudio in mer is a good example - Stskeeps: how many patches did it have again? :) | 10:13 |
| sledges | s/one/once | 10:13 |
| sledges | I see, so maybe systemui is one of the active-in-future ones, and I basically just shaken a tombstone by fixing an old bug #74 :) | 10:14 |
| Sage | Ionakka: I've not done anything with that. | 10:16 |
| sledges | w00t did following his "go nuts" phrase here :)) | 10:16 |
| Ionakka | Sage, w00t: i was asking you guys mainly as you were discussing something related yesterday | 10:17 |
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| Ionakka | hmm... i was wondering what kind of packaging files adopted repos should have (.spec & .yaml, something else?) | 10:26 |
| sledges | Ionakka, isn't that all stays the same (just like in any other github/nemomobile/*) ? and yaml and spec are on OBS ? | 10:27 |
| Ionakka | that makes sense | 10:28 |
| sledges | yup, just checked that myself :) | 10:28 |
| sledges | my next task: revert changes to meegotouch-theme-graphics where I put the "nice" poweroff SVG :) and patch meegotouch-theme-darko instead (already on github/nemomobile). End goal is to detach -systemui from -theme-graphics and use -theme-darko instead | 10:29 |
| sledges | ..for all those in favour?.. ;) | 10:30 |
| w00t | Xruxa: ^ | 10:33 |
| w00t | as you have a vested interest in theming | 10:33 |
| Xruxa | hi guys | 10:33 |
| * Xruxa does not really understand | 10:34 | |
| sledges | I think -systemui depends only on two -theme-graphics icons: icon-m-framework-close and icon-m-status-menu-settings should not be a problem | 10:36 |
| * Xruxa reboots | 10:37 | |
| Ionakka | <sledges> ..for all those in favour?.. ;) <--- thumbs up for theme package replacement | 10:37 |
| Ionakka | though it's not too good idea to depend on something coming from particular theme | 10:37 |
| t-lo1 | @sledges: Now generating a root fs from mer-core-i586.ks | 10:37 |
| t-lo1 | The repository information is a bit outdated. | 10:37 |
| sledges | t-lo1, keep up the good work :) | 10:37 |
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| sledges | there we are, "repositorying" :D | 10:38 |
| t-lo1 | Yay :) | 10:38 |
| sledges | Ionakka, Nemo uses darko theme by default | 10:38 |
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| t-lo1 | So will I be able to run the generated root in a VM or something? | 10:38 |
| sledges | so I believe it is most exhaustive | 10:38 |
| sledges | what does not exist in -darko, is taken from the -graphics (meego's theme) | 10:38 |
| sledges | but we should not patch -graphics (as I erroneously did), as is it not even under github/nemomobile nor being planned to be (as I gather from w00t and Sage strategy which I do like) | 10:39 |
| Xruxa | sledges: do you then need some extra graphics in the darko theme? | 10:40 |
| sledges | so all graphics bits should go to -darko, and all projects forked to github/nemomobile/ should switch to -darko | 10:40 |
| Xruxa | sledges: I'm bit rusty with it right now, but for meegotouch apps we should put basics to base theme, not to darko | 10:41 |
| sledges | which is where I agree with you Ionakka , a diverging is inevitable :{ | 10:41 |
| Ionakka | sledges: imo you're doing the right thing | 10:41 |
| sledges | ok, thanks for coming a bit from the past, Xruxa | 10:41 |
| Ionakka | <Ionakka> though it's not too good idea to depend on something coming from particular theme <--- and you aren't doing exactly that | 10:42 |
| sledges | but here is an inconsistency for you: | 10:42 |
| sledges | if you swipe Nemo to the second screen | 10:42 |
| Ionakka | i was just giving extra warning ;p | 10:42 |
| sledges | you have the Settings icon from the darko theme | 10:42 |
| Ionakka | <Xruxa> sledges: I'm bit rusty with it right now, but for meegotouch apps we should put basics to base theme, not to darko <--- but this is relevant | 10:43 |
| sledges | but if you click on the status bar above | 10:43 |
| Ionakka | when new icon is introduced, it's good to put an alternative for it into base theme | 10:43 |
| sledges | you get same settings button, but different icon (from meegotouch-graphics) | 10:43 |
| Ionakka | to provide fallback graphics | 10:43 |
| Ionakka | sledges: smells like a new bug report ;) | 10:43 |
| Xruxa | guys, there is icon theming proposal somewhere on the wiki IIRC | 10:43 |
| sledges | so you get mixed styles for same functionality, and that should not be a face of a unified system | 10:43 |
| Xruxa | when you install your app, you install the icon to BASE THEME, not anywhere else. | 10:44 |
| Ionakka | <Ionakka> to provide fallback graphics <--- which will look bit different than most graphics from the theme being used if it doen't have the icon but that's a good reminder of using noncomplete theme | 10:44 |
| sledges | Xruxa, an installed apo is not part of a theme, can be coming from anywhere | 10:46 |
| Ionakka | <Xruxa> guys, there is icon theming proposal somewhere on the wiki IIRC <--- couldn't find it | 10:46 |
| Ionakka | Xruxa: what you think about the fallback icons? | 10:46 |
| Xruxa | Ionakka: not sure what fallback icon is :( | 10:47 |
| sledges | if you write a package specifically for Nemo, then it contradicts Sage's saying, that Nemo is using darko theme by default | 10:47 |
| sledges | s/it/installing to base theme/ | 10:47 |
| Xruxa | I mean, decision to change theme can be made any moment. Hence the base theme - there will always be an icon for your app. | 10:48 |
| Ionakka | Xruxa: meaning that base theme provides some version of the icons | 10:48 |
| Ionakka | but used themes include own version of the icons | 10:49 |
| sledges | ok, a base theme *must* be a superset for any other theme | 10:49 |
| Xruxa | I mean if you have app, you are responsible for providing base icon for it. E.g. Skype or such. Then if that icon looks bad, theme guys can choose to change that icon by provifing own version in their theme | 10:49 |
| Xruxa | and those two shall be independent | 10:49 |
| sledges | understood | 10:49 |
| Ionakka | ah, the app-provided icons | 10:49 |
| * Xruxa hopes he is answering the right questions in first place | 10:50 | |
| sledges | that is ok, but now we are not talking about the apps | 10:50 |
| Ionakka | i was talking about about generic ui icons and introducing new icons | 10:50 |
| Ionakka | (such as the poweroff icon in this case) | 10:50 |
| sledges | nevertheless it poses the question to Sage: why is -darko the default theme, and why does it have icons that base (-graphics) theme does not have? | 10:50 |
| Xruxa | for the same reason I just wrote | 10:51 |
| sledges | ok, so a new icon needs to go into both themes | 10:51 |
| Ionakka | Xruxa: the extra icons in -darko override application icons instead of theme icons? | 10:51 |
| Xruxa | Darko has icons for other (e.g. 3rd party) apps like Skype, that do not have icon in base theme, as such icon is provided by the app itself | 10:51 |
| sledges | means forking meegotouch-theme-graphics to github/nemomobile is as well inevitable :{ | 10:52 |
| Xruxa | Ionakka: yes | 10:52 |
| Xruxa | sledges: no? | 10:52 |
| Xruxa | If your app needs new poweroff graphics, then make your app install that during app installation to base theme directory | 10:52 |
| Ionakka | hmm... pity i can't recall what happened to old base theme | 10:52 |
| Ionakka | nor whether it actually contained the icons | 10:53 |
| sledges | Xruxa, understood | 10:53 |
| Ionakka | (old base theme != meegotouch-theme-graphics) | 10:53 |
| Xruxa | Ionakka: actually, I do not know how it is packaged anymore | 10:53 |
| Xruxa | I just haxored Darko to kinda work for both meegotouch and QML apps | 10:54 |
| sledges | Xruxa, I explain why we ended up in this convo: I added poweroff button next to settings button in systemui, and settings icon was a part of meego-theme-graphics, so I thought following the same notion I will patch the meego-theme-graphics, as poweroff is as internal/essential as settings | 10:54 |
| Xruxa | I see | 10:55 |
| sledges | and then started asking myself, why is meegotouch-systemui taking the settings icon from the base theme? actually your proposed mechanism should have shoveled darko theme there instead | 10:56 |
| sledges | as now we are having an inconsistency | 10:56 |
| Ionakka | should be investigated | 10:56 |
| Ionakka | i might have time to look at it at some point | 10:56 |
| sledges | <Ionakka> sledges: smells like a new bug report ;) | 10:56 |
| Xruxa | Themes cascade, if icon is not in current theme, we check base theme. That is lovely for theme development. | 10:57 |
| sledges | but the thing is that icon does exist | 10:57 |
| sledges | although I am not sure about it's name, it might be icon-l-menu-settings in darko | 10:57 |
| Xruxa | at least for meegotouch and launcher icons, QML is different animal | 10:57 |
| sledges | and icon-m-menu-settings in base | 10:57 |
| Ionakka | hmm... do we have inheritance of current themes explained somewhere? | 10:57 |
| Ionakka | if not, perhaps a wikipage could be made for that | 10:58 |
| Sage | sledges: Point to Xruxa about the theming. He has done mainly that. | 10:58 |
| sledges | these -l- -m- -s- should be clarified. I like the notion that a status bar drop down (or a menu black list) contains only the monochrome simplified icons not to overwhelming user, and desktop shortcuts are all colorful and fancy | 10:58 |
| * Xruxa is bit senile at this age too | 10:58 | |
| sledges | but still the infix -l- -m- -s- does not denominate that, just its size by the looks of it | 10:59 |
| sledges | vaguely, i -could- infer of what it is trying to say :) | 10:59 |
| Xruxa | yes, that is size and level of detail | 10:59 |
| sledges | there we are! :D | 10:59 |
| * sledges off for a bit | 10:59 | |
| Xruxa | I even had a table of sizes for the l,n,s icons | 11:00 |
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| t-lo1 | @sledges: osc now works for me, but I'm still looking for the right .ks file to build a Nemo image. | 11:16 |
| t-lo1 | More specifically I'm trying to reproduce the missing softlink for https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172. | 11:17 |
| Ionakka | t-lo1: http://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/trees/master/kickstarts/Nemo | 11:17 |
| t-lo1 | @lonakka: khtx! | 11:18 |
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| t-lo1 | @lonakka: Is there any place in the wiki where I could have read that up? | 11:18 |
| Ionakka | t-lo1: not sure | 11:22 |
| Ionakka | i got that from daily-image-builder builder.conf | 11:22 |
| t-lo1 | Okay. | 11:22 |
| Ionakka | though there was something related mentioned in wikipages describing sdk setup | 11:22 |
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| Ionakka | Xruxa: now that you're officially a theme afficionado i'll dare to ask you this: what you think about LMT MVC pattern? ;) | 11:24 |
| t-lo1 | @lonakka: okay, there's a reference to gitorious (https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900) on the Nemo wiki page (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Infrastructure). If you know what to look for I guess you could actually find it :) | 11:29 |
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| t-lo1 | I would like to add a specific link to the kickstart configs to this section of the nemo page. You guys think this is OK? | 11:30 |
| Stskeeps | go for it, help improve the docs? | 11:31 |
| t-lo1 | Done that. | 11:35 |
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| t-lo1 | Another documentation issue: I found it necessary to patch ~/.oscrc to point to api.pub.meego.com in the Mer SDK. | 11:51 |
| t-lo1 | I think https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS is a nice place to add this. Objections? | 11:51 |
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| Sage | t-lo1, Ionakka: http://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/trees/master/kickstarts/Nemo is obsolete, will give more info later :) | 12:07 |
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| t-lo1 | @sage: too obsolete to reproduce https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=172 ? | 12:09 |
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| Sage | t-lo1: for that should be ok. | 12:11 |
| Sage | just a general note that we have new repo for those. Haven't obsoleted the old one yet though | 12:12 |
| t-lo1 | @Sage: OK - could you please update https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo#Source_repositories with the new location? I added this today since I had a hard time finding the Nemo .ks files. | 12:13 |
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| Sage | t-lo1: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-kickstarter-configs is the new place | 12:16 |
| Sage | t-lo1: is missing instructions though | 12:16 |
| t-lo1 | @Sage: compared to the old repo at http://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations it also seems to lack pre-generated .ks files. | 12:18 |
| Sage | t-lo1: as said instructions are missing :) | 12:19 |
| Sage | it works a bit differently than the old ones thus I haven't promoted it yet too much | 12:20 |
| t-lo1 | @Sage: 'k :) | 12:20 |
| Sage | also have more changes on my laptop waiting for tesitng | 12:20 |
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| t-lo1 | Could someone with a clue about OBS and osc please review the new introductory section at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS#Getting_started_with_the_build_system? | 12:37 |
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| Sage | t-lo1: please space before ? so that one could click the link ;) | 12:39 |
| t-lo1 | @Sage: Whoops, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS#Getting_started_with_the_build_system :) | 12:39 |
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| Sage | t-lo1: well, just meant that in the future ;) | 12:40 |
| t-lo1 | Ah, right. Link was still in the clipboard, no harm in pasting it again, though :) | 12:41 |
| t-lo1 | brb, lunch. | 12:46 |
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| sledges | Xruxa, thank you, after examining /usr/share/themes/* all clear now. | 13:08 |
| Xruxa | np | 13:08 |
| sledges | so I did the right thing. for now that thing manifests itself only as a .patch in OBS to meegotouch-theme-graphics | 13:09 |
| sledges | oh, Xruxa, you are the jakub :D I knew I came across the two nick/names lately :) | 13:10 |
| sledges | nice to meet you :D | 13:11 |
| Xruxa | says so in the nick :) | 13:11 |
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| sledges | yes, that's what struck me after /whois Xruxa :) | 13:11 |
| sledges | Xruxa, we have just forked gitorious/meegotouch-systemui to github/nemomobile/, because it is inactive and we {as Sage said} are disconnected from those responsible upstream (they are inactive too like most MeeGo projects :( ) | 13:13 |
| sledges | but together with systemui, I patched meegotouch-community-l10n and (as mentioned) meeogtouch-theme-graphics , which are currently on OBS | 13:13 |
| sledges | could you approve+pass them upstream to gitorious instead? | 13:14 |
| sledges | so it's all elegant and keeps everyone happy :) | 13:14 |
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| sledges | is there a solid guide to N9 Nemo dual booting? (https://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt ? ) | 13:20 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5861 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5861 | 13:24 |
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| t-lo1 | re | 13:25 |
| t-lo1 | Any opinions about the new paragraph at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS#Getting_started_with_the_build_system ? | 13:26 |
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| Xruxa | sledges: I can't approve much - forgot all about OBS while on holidays, including passwords :) Better got with Sage. Anyway - nice to meet you too, whoever you are ;) | 13:40 |
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| sledges | Xruxa, don't need OBS knowledge, I will just submit a pull request to gitorious to those project (as you are managing them as I am happy to see that :)) | 13:46 |
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| t-lo1 | OK guys I'll call it a day. Thanks for all your help! Will be back tomorrow; the Mer platform being actually quite fun to poke around with. | 14:07 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5861 Rejected promotion request | 14:24 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5862 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5862 | 15:15 |
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| sledges | krans: I am also installing Nemo to N9 as we speak, but I am very careful, and today probably will manage only to load a volatile bootloader. I am following https://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt because wiki looked a bit disorganised and misleading | 16:01 |
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| krans | sledges, ok I will give a try to this instructions | 16:03 |
| talk2sledges | but all things are fragile (instructions as well as going as far as using the latest nemo/its bootloaders as opposed to those outdated in instructions), so do take care | 16:04 |
| talk2sledges | krans, ^ | 16:05 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5862 Accepted promotion request | 16:06 |
| krans | talk2sledges, ok | 16:07 |
| krans | talk2sledges, sledges : got it working on my N9 awesome :) | 16:17 |
| talk2sledges | 10minutes :D | 16:20 |
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| sledges | krans: so which guide did you use to Nemo your N9 ? | 19:28 |
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| krans | sledges, I used this https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N9 | 19:29 |
| sledges | which method? | 19:30 |
| krans | sledges, Single Boot by Loading The Kernel | 19:30 |
| krans | sledges, with flasher i flashed | 19:31 |
| sledges | means two OSs, but to get back into Nemo you need to flash again - sort of a volatile bootloader | 19:31 |
| krans | sledges, but after following Next thing is to move the rootfs to the device with Nokia N950 & Nokia N9 Rootfs Installation guide and pressing the volume down key it didnt booted up | 19:31 |
| sledges | as it says: In subsequent boots, device will boot directly to Harmattan. | 19:32 |
| krans | sledges, I flashed again and removed the usb then it started to boot up | 19:32 |
| sledges | right, so are you able to switch between the two? | 19:32 |
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| krans | sledges, i didnt tried yet I have nemo running now :) | 19:33 |
| sledges | :) i bet :)) | 19:33 |
| krans | sledges, it said the by pressing volume down key it should boot to nemo directly but it didnt .. | 19:34 |
| krans | I flashed again and removed usb | 19:34 |
| sledges | understood | 19:34 |
| krans | sledges, any way am checking now how to set up dev env | 19:34 |
| sledges | means only twice reflashing works | 19:34 |
| krans | sledges, looks like | 19:35 |
| sledges | wonder if the underlying harmattan is still bootable :) | 19:35 |
| sledges | as this is my daily phone :D | 19:35 |
| sledges | i think i should go with "permanent single boot" | 19:35 |
| krans | sledges, I dont care if I break my device ;) | 19:36 |
| sledges | good ;D | 19:36 |
| krans | sledges, I tried to run hello world on device but after ssh the device was very very slow | 19:36 |
| sledges | mmm | 19:36 |
| sledges | and before ssh? | 19:37 |
| krans | sledges, I mean the shell is very very slow | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | krans: it's a bit slow at startup | 19:37 |
| krans | sledges, ok | 19:37 |
| krans | Stskeeps, ok | 19:37 |
| krans | :) | 19:37 |
| sledges | ok :) | 19:38 |
| sledges | aha, apparently kernel-moslo-* has been updated yesterday! so going with persistent single boot (how weird that soudns!) thanks marquiz :) | 19:39 |
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| sledges | challenges ahead: "Re-partitioning failed! You might be in trouble!" :} | 21:44 |
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| rcg | sledges, trying to install nemo on n9/16gb? | 21:54 |
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| sledges | rcg: correct | 21:58 |
| sledges | seems that parted screwed something up and did not create the ALTOS partition | 21:58 |
| sledges | still did not reboot the device, telnetting at the moment | 21:59 |
| rcg | sledges, i see, had the same error back when i experimented with my n9/16gb and nemo | 22:00 |
| sledges | `parted -s -m /dev/mmcblk0 unit s print` shows the second (Harmattan rootfs) partition of an unknown type, hope that's normal, but the data might have gotten screwed during parted already, as it was taking ages the "Repartitioning MMC for AlternateOS" phase | 22:01 |
| rcg | iirc i solved the issue via telnet | 22:01 |
| rcg | well, i hope you don't have important data there? | 22:01 |
| sledges | all backed up ;) | 22:01 |
| rcg | good :) | 22:01 |
| sledges | i think i should have followed https://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt instead | 22:02 |
| rcg | because i couldn't get dual boot to run.. | 22:02 |
| rcg | either harmattan or nemo was possible though | 22:02 |
| sledges | where all looks manual and less scripty with things-break attitude | 22:02 |
| rcg | just not both via dualboot | 22:02 |
| sledges | rcg: well N9 cannot dual boot | 22:02 |
| sledges | only if you flash moslo again | 22:02 |
| sledges | it give access to alternative os | 22:03 |
| sledges | otherwise it should always be harmattan | 22:03 |
| sledges | kinda kinky :D | 22:03 |
| rcg | yeah, well, that's what i meant with dual boot ;) | 22:03 |
| sledges | yup, wiki says no :D | 22:03 |
| rcg | some (admittedly complicated) way to switch between os while having both installed | 22:03 |
| sledges | basically, parted screws things up if launched from moslo automatically, needed to do by hand | 22:04 |
| sledges | N950 works though | 22:04 |
| sledges | as they say | 22:04 |
| rcg | but if you are keen on getting nemo on it, it might be sufficient for you that i succeeded in it after some time | 22:04 |
| sledges | thanks :) | 22:05 |
| rcg | dual boot on n950? | 22:05 |
| rcg | never tried that :) | 22:05 |
| sledges | yes https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Dual-boot_method | 22:05 |
| rcg | sledges, are you still logged in via telnet? | 22:05 |
| sledges | yes | 22:05 |
| rcg | maybe try "fdisk"? | 22:06 |
| rcg | dunno if i used that.. but i was able to manually partition it somehow | 22:06 |
| sledges | shows empty partition table! | 22:06 |
| rcg | ah, there you go | 22:06 |
| sledges | rcg: this gives manual instructions: https://jon.severinsson.net/NemoN9/Nemo-Mobile-N9-instructions.txt | 22:06 |
| sledges | why in the world does moslo repartition the main harmattan rootfs!? there is plenty of space in MyDocs one | 22:07 |
| sledges | ... although I think MyDocs just shrinked instead | 22:08 |
| sledges | so harmattan might still be alive | 22:08 |
| * sledges gets busy analysing autopartition.sh to see what that beast has done :) | 22:08 | |
| rcg | well, i didn't follow these instructions... | 22:09 |
| rcg | just went with the guide from the mer wiki and some educated guessing ;) | 22:10 |
| sledges | i don't have much experience with cmdline parted (partition resizing) but that's the bit I think I'm missing from reaching nemo on N9/16GB | 22:10 |
| rcg | but well, the take away message is that it works ;) | 22:10 |
| sledges | so onto learning that :} | 22:10 |
| rcg | sledges, actually, you don't need to mess with parted.. you can still use fdisk.. even though that's a pretty crude way and you do not preserve the harmattan installation | 22:11 |
| sledges | &) well I'd like to have harmattan intact, and fdisk now shows empty partition table whatsoever | 22:12 |
| sledges | so looks less trustworthy for the given circumstances here :) | 22:12 |
| rcg | right, i see | 22:12 |
| sledges | no worries, I'll fight | 22:12 |
| sledges | but | 22:12 |
| rcg | rgr rgr :) | 22:12 |
| sledges | is batery being charged now?! :D | 22:12 |
| rcg | hmm dunno... | 22:13 |
| rcg | my guess was that charging is very low level and independent from os | 22:13 |
| sledges | hope so | 22:13 |
| sledges | though having doubts after OpenMoko experience :) | 22:13 |
| rcg | e.g. n950 doesn't even show battery status but charging work nonetheless | 22:14 |
| rcg | n950 running nemo, that is | 22:14 |
| sledges | ic, good news | 22:14 |
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| sledges | ok, studied moslo's /init inside out | 22:48 |
| sledges | only one [but crucial] question: what if we have a new partition p2 with alternateOS, how can old kernel boot old harmattan rootfs again, as it does not know about the new partition layout? | 22:50 |
| sledges | we'll most probably end up booting harmattan kernel into alternateOS regardless from now on.. | 22:51 |
| rcg | are you sure the nemo kernel boots to p2? | 22:52 |
| rcg | iirc it was a higher partition number | 22:52 |
| sledges | nope, it takes the p1, shrinks it, and creates p2 after it | 22:53 |
| sledges | the script was constantly checking for max count of partitions (i.e. 4), but the ALTOS is 2 | 22:53 |
| rcg | hmm, i might be wrong, but i coulda have sworn i used a higher partition number | 22:54 |
| rcg | anyway it's quite late for me so i gotta go | 22:54 |
| rcg | good luck with your experiments :) | 22:55 |
| sledges | cheers for assistance rcg | 22:55 |
| rcg | yw : | 22:55 |
| sledges | thanks, i will need one :) | 22:55 |
| rcg | :) | 22:55 |
| sledges | nites | 22:55 |
| rcg | night | 22:55 |
| rcg | might keep me updated on your results? ;) | 22:55 |
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| sledges | surely | 22:55 |
| rcg | cya :) | 22:55 |
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| sledges | i'm 24/7 here via mosh+screen+irssi :) | 22:55 |
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| sledges | understood: on my Nokia N9 16GB (orig from Australia, later flashed CE PR1.1 and updated to 1.2 then 1.3): the problem with moslo is: | 23:22 |
| sledges | parted resizes the first [MyDocs] partition OK, attempts to create the new one, exits without error, BUT the partition is not there! | 23:23 |
| sledges | even after reboot | 23:23 |
| sledges | or actually, it IS there, but the old partition entry to harmattan rootfs is gone! | 23:24 |
| sledges | so even the numbering is messed up | 23:24 |
| sledges | as now there is a new partition #2, old #2 is gone, and we need the new partition to be #4 | 23:24 |
| sledges | so we delete #2 | 23:25 |
| sledges | create #2 which restores status quo (see orig partition table backup at the end of http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=38097&postcount=4) | 23:26 |
| sledges | to point back to harmattan rootfs | 23:26 |
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| sledges | create #4 which is the new partition, you can remember the start and end cylinders from your carefully taken notes (or terminal scrollup ;)) | 23:27 |
| sledges | so those are the notes , as i'm feeling talking to myself is kind-a odd :D | 23:27 |
| sledges | hopefully these notes will benefit not only to myself, will put them eventually to wiki | 23:28 |
| crevetor_ | guys, where is the equivalent of gitweb.merproject.org for nemo ? | 23:31 |
| special | crevetor_: https://github.com/nemomobile might have some of what you want | 23:32 |
| crevetor_ | special: k thx | 23:35 |
| sledges | looks like latest Nemo does not boot on N9 - moslo just shuts it down (ver 0.20120614.1.NEMO.2012-08-05.2) | 23:55 |
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