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| iekku | morning | 03:18 |
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| special | I have the messages prototype I showed a few days ago sending and receiving messages over telepathy :) | 04:05 |
| Elleo | cool | 04:06 |
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| Stskeeps | Elleo: cool work | 05:25 |
| Sage | :nod: | 05:28 |
| Sage | Elleo: I'll respond to your ML mail today :) | 05:30 |
| Stskeeps | Elleo: how difficult would it be to put webos Enyo on top? | 05:41 |
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| Sage | w00t: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=258 :) | 12:28 |
| w00t | special: ^ | 12:28 |
| w00t | gallery's his baby, i just do the integration gruntwork :) | 12:29 |
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| Sage | ah, ok :) | 12:35 |
| Sage | special: also https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=259 | 12:36 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5297 Accepted promotion request | 12:59 |
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| Elleo | Sage: thanks :) | 13:44 |
| Elleo | Stskeeps: haven't played with Enyo before, but I'll look into it | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | it's webos's thing | 13:44 |
| Elleo | Stskeeps: it's currenty possible to run Phonegap/Cordova apps too, but they usually need a little prior preparation, since they're often designed to ship with their own version of phonegap/cordova | 13:45 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:45 |
| Elleo | are there any good FOSS enyo apps I could grab to use as a test case? | 13:46 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, you'd have to look around | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | but i'm fairly sure there are | 13:47 |
| Elleo | if you're feeling particularly naughty you could even write an app that uses both the cordova and tizen apis; but it wouldn't run anywhere except in Tizmee :P | 13:47 |
| Elleo | okay, I'll poke around | 13:47 |
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| Sage | special: one that would be nice to have fixed https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=196 not sure though if this is the proper fix or if there should be separate application that shows only single image | 14:35 |
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| Elleo | Stskeeps: it seems difficult to get hold of webos apps without having a device; most people just point towards the store which only lets you download from a device :/ | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, ok | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'll have a chat with someone | 14:50 |
| * Stskeeps makes a note | 14:50 | |
| Elleo | okay | 14:51 |
| Elleo | enyo stuff in general (not webos specific enyo stuff) will probably work fine as long as it gets packaged as a wgt | 14:51 |
| Elleo | but that's not much use to general users | 14:52 |
| Elleo | well I've found one example, an ampache client | 14:55 |
| Elleo | so I might have a fiddle with that one; but I won't make it a high priority unless we find a good way of actually getting hold of most apps | 14:56 |
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| faenil | sup ladies? :D | 15:06 |
| Stskeeps | not much | 15:07 |
| * faenil is setting up sb2 to build for nemo n950 | 15:09 | |
| faenil | Stskeeps, n950 seens as N900 when I connect it to usb.. :) | 15:11 |
| faenil | seen* | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 15:11 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 15:11 |
| faenil | ;) | 15:12 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, "sb2 -t nemo-n950 qmake" builds the makefile | 15:37 |
| faenil | but "sb2 -t nemo-n950 make" has no output... | 15:37 |
| Stskeeps | none at all? | 15:37 |
| faenil | noe | 15:37 |
| faenil | nope | 15:37 |
| faenil | special reported the same | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | try '-e' too ? | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | oh, is 'make' installed in the sdk? | 15:38 |
| faenil | probably not... | 15:38 |
| special | that is what solved it for me | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | try and see if that makes a difference | 15:38 |
| Stskeeps | bug please | 15:39 |
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| faenil | and how do I create and install the package on the n950 ? :D scp? | 15:55 |
| faenil | without using OBS , I mean :) | 16:00 |
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| faenil | yo Venemo_N9 :) | 16:04 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, ever had any problem with usb connection? mine keeps trying to connect, but it never manages to...dmesg reports "no ipv6 router present" but I set ipv6 to "ignore"... | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | that's normal | 16:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's a static ip, not dhcp | 16:06 |
| faenil | but why is it looking for an ipv6 router :D | 16:06 |
| faenil | even if I set it to ignore | 16:07 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey faenil :) | 16:07 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, thank you for helping out with Android | 16:07 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, np ;) I'm glad to help, let me know if you have more questions ;) | 16:08 |
| noch | today I found out that fcam API, which we often install on Fremantle is the out of the box way to work with camera in Harmattan | 16:08 |
| noch | any possibility we can have it in nemo too? | 16:08 |
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| Venemo_N9 | faenil, well, there are just the small glitches that I already told you about | 16:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | most of them will require jni... | 16:09 |
| faenil | meh | 16:09 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, document gallery doesn't really work, and neither does the localization bits | 16:10 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, I see, you should see if they have already ported that part :) | 16:11 |
| Venemo_N9 | they have, but it doesn't work | 16:12 |
| faenil | mmm | 16:12 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, android libc doesn't support localization | 16:15 |
| faenil | oh crap | 16:15 |
| Venemo_N9 | there is a java call to query the current locale | 16:17 |
| Venemo_N9 | lol | 16:17 |
| faenil | xD | 16:18 |
| faenil | you could get it as a parameter to your app | 16:18 |
| faenil | anyway, I think it's better if we continue on qt-android ;) | 16:18 |
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| faenil | http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=24047&postcount=15 | 16:27 |
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| alterego | w00t: how bug does the font have to be before AA breaks? | 16:34 |
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| alterego | w00t_nemo: how bug does the font have to be before AA breaks? | 16:36 |
| alterego | s/bug/big/ | 16:37 |
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| alterego | lol | 16:37 |
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| special | alterego: 64px | 16:49 |
| special | alterego: https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-25145 | 16:49 |
| special | there is a workaround in the comments, but multisampling may not be good for performance. | 16:49 |
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| alterego | Oh wait, is this a Label? | 16:50 |
| w00t_nemo | which? | 16:51 |
| alterego | qmlcalc | 16:51 |
| alterego | Where the text is fugged. | 16:51 |
| special | possibly, but afaik it doesn't matter | 16:51 |
| alterego | Well, no AA | 16:51 |
| alterego | Well, I'm using a TextEntry (plain QML) and AA works, tested up to 180px | 16:51 |
| special | with opengl? | 16:52 |
| alterego | Yes | 16:52 |
| alterego | Well, should be .. | 16:52 |
| special | the Qt bug applies to the plain QML Text element | 16:52 |
| special | as far as I know, components' Label uses that for all of the rendering | 16:52 |
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| alterego | tbf, I don't setup a OpenGL viewport, so I might need to do that, and handle context changes. | 16:53 |
| faenil | am I the only one to have problems with zypper ref? ... it always hangs on "ce-apps"... | 16:53 |
| special | alterego: do you get the meegographicssystem messages? | 16:53 |
| special | you shouldn't need to set up a viewport manually. | 16:53 |
| alterego | special: yes I do. | 16:53 |
| special | should be opengl when active, then | 16:53 |
| alterego | Cool | 16:54 |
| faenil | "timeout exceeded when accessing bla bla bla" ... | 16:55 |
| faenil | browser surfs, no connection problems, and zypper ref doesn't want to behave properly... | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | faenil, try iwconfig wlan0 power off as root | 16:55 |
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| w00t_nemo | cant say i saw anythinh, but my image is not too old | 16:56 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, done | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | and now try | 16:57 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, working, so is it a known bug? power management control of wifi? | 16:58 |
| faenil | thanks anyway :) | 16:58 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, it seems you have already suggested that command in the past months, so it's a known thing...any idea why that happens? | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | bad psm | 17:02 |
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| Stskeeps | or us not relaying enough info on use | 17:02 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, ok ;) | 17:03 |
| Venemo | so... | 17:10 |
| Venemo | let me continue with that wifi issue | 17:10 |
| faenil | was doing zypper up | 17:10 |
| faenil | now screen black | 17:10 |
| faenil | ... | 17:10 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, am I that unlucky? XD it seems dead... | 17:11 |
| Venemo | this warning message makes me laugh every time I launch Nemo | 17:11 |
| Venemo | the one which talks about loss of warranty and blah-blah | 17:12 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:12 |
| * Sage ponders how to ssh to Nemo VM image that is running in VirtualBox | 17:12 | |
| faenil | I don't know if it's updating but it's stuck somewhere | 17:12 |
| Venemo | interesting question is, why is Nemo so slow to launch? it's even slower than harmattan. | 17:12 |
| faenil | or my n950 is just dead | 17:12 |
| Venemo | faenil, maybe battery is empty? | 17:13 |
| faenil | Venemo, no | 17:13 |
| Sage | network is up and working but there is no interface on host on the same network | 17:13 |
| faenil | Venemo, it was connected to usb | 17:13 |
| Venemo | mhm | 17:13 |
| faenil | suddenly switched off, and now seems dead | 17:13 |
| special | Sage: bridged or shared? | 17:13 |
| Venemo | faenil, maybe all N950s were preprogrammed to die today? mine just got stuck at the Nemo bootloader screen | 17:14 |
| Sage | special: I don't care how it is done just want it to be possible :) | 17:14 |
| faenil | Venemo, ehehe | 17:14 |
| Sage | atm. it is in NAT mode | 17:14 |
| faenil | Sage, help me, give me hope | 17:15 |
| Sage | special: bridged would mean that I have network access and ip, right? I want it not to be dependent on the host network | 17:16 |
| special | yeah. | 17:16 |
| special | with shared, you should have another interface on the host.. | 17:16 |
| special | you could set up another host-only network | 17:16 |
| Sage | faenil: hmmp... press and hold power button 10s and then restart ? :) | 17:16 |
| faenil | Sage, yes I've done that | 17:17 |
| Sage | faenil: still blacks screen even when powered? | 17:17 |
| faenil | but I wanted to avoid that | 17:17 |
| faenil | now it's working, but that's a hell of a big bug! | 17:17 |
| Sage | ah, well if you can get usb networking I can help :) | 17:17 |
| Sage | faenil: check "rpm -q contextkit-meego" | 17:18 |
| Sage | if you get usb networking | 17:18 |
| faenil | the screen is working, it's everything ok now | 17:19 |
| faenil | Sage, you want to do that? | 17:19 |
| faenil | on the device it reports "contextkit-meego is not installed" | 17:19 |
| Venemo | I'll just try a reflash | 17:19 |
| * w00t finds *yet another* bug thanks to QtMobility's contacts QML bindings | 17:20 | |
| faenil | w00t, congrats :D | 17:20 |
| faenil | I'm having a good bug-day too :) | 17:20 |
| special | w00t: 1,000th bug earns you a free shotgun | 17:20 |
| Sage | faenil: rpm -qa | grep context | 17:20 |
| w00t | special: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=265 | 17:21 |
| Sage | special: well there is no brX interface that I would have expected | 17:21 |
| faenil | how the hell do I type | with this keyboard?? XD | 17:22 |
| Sage | faenil: well do zypper search contextkit | 17:23 |
| w00t | alterego: each time you say "hey, just use QtContacts, I use it and it's fine" in the future, I'm going to stab you one more time the next time I meet you f2f :-P | 17:23 |
| faenil | xD | 17:23 |
| * Sage is too used to do rpm -qa as zypper didn't work for a long time :) | 17:23 | |
| faenil | I think there's no way to type | here | 17:23 |
| faenil | there's a lot of them | 17:23 |
| faenil | contextkit-meego -> srcpackage | 17:24 |
| * faenil thinks terminal needs some love... | 17:24 | |
| faenil | Sage, do you want me to retry zypper up? | 17:25 |
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| Sage | faenil: ??? | 17:26 |
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| Sage | faenil: so you have terminal on the device? You just said it showed you black screen :) | 17:26 |
| Venemo | Sage, he managed to reboot since then | 17:28 |
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| Sage | ah | 17:30 |
| Sage | well if the screen isn't black now it is harder to debug what was wrong | 17:30 |
| Venemo | w00t, how is your battery indicator fix? | 17:34 |
| w00t | it more or less shows current charge | 17:34 |
| faenil | Sage, I didn't know what to do, none was answering so I forced it off with the long press | 17:34 |
| Venemo | but not the charging status, iirc? | 17:34 |
| faenil | Sage, then I booted it and it behaved as nothing ever happened, lol | 17:35 |
| w00t | right | 17:35 |
| Sage | faenil: ok, so some service failed on update thus screen went black. I'm guessing it was mce that failed. | 17:37 |
| Venemo | is there a way yet to launch something from Qt creator on the device? | 17:37 |
| faenil | Sage, zypper up says "nothing to do" now...So I guess it updated everything before I forced it to shut of | 17:38 |
| faenil | ff | 17:38 |
| faenil | now rerunning zypper ref | 17:38 |
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| Venemo_N950 | heh | 17:42 |
| w00t | heh? ;) | 17:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | I connected to a random unencrypted wifi | 17:42 |
| Venemo_N950 | it works (whereas my own wifi did not) | 17:42 |
| Venemo | in fact in the current Nemo version I didn't even see an option to set up a hidden wifi | 17:43 |
| special | the old "Hello World" settings had that option, at least | 17:43 |
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| special | it just showed up as a network with no name | 17:44 |
| Venemo | maybe I was just too dumb to find the option | 17:44 |
| Venemo | ok now, how do I make a USB network? | 17:44 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, I can confirm I still have the "previous screen flashing when opening a new app" with the latest updates | 17:45 |
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| w00t | Venemo: ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 and use 192.168.2.15 as normal | 17:51 |
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| Venemo | w00t, I'm kinda noob at this, but it doesn't seem to work at all | 17:53 |
| Venemo | 'ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14' pops up an error saying that network activation failed | 17:53 |
| w00t | anyone here who uses it want to help out? :P | 17:53 |
| Venemo | 'ifup usb0' says that there is no such device as usb0 | 17:54 |
| * w00t just uses wifi | 17:54 | |
| special | what OS? | 17:54 |
| Venemo | special, Fedora 16 | 17:54 |
| special | for ubuntu, I think I had to disable the network manager to make it shut up and let me configure the device myself | 17:54 |
| Venemo | I'd rather not mess with it if I don't have to. | 17:54 |
| special | you could try configuring it in whatever network manager you have | 17:55 |
| Venemo | it has NetworkManager | 17:55 |
| special | I'm using it through OS X, so it just works :p | 17:55 |
| Venemo | well, it just works with Harmattan for F16 as well. | 17:55 |
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| Venemo | w00t, I would use wifi as well, but it does not cooperate with my wifi. | 17:59 |
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| faenil | w00t, have you looked into this too by any chance? https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84 | 18:00 |
| w00t | aside from knowing it exists, not so far | 18:00 |
| faenil | ok ;) | 18:00 |
| w00t | i'd suspect mcompositor to be guilty somehow | 18:00 |
| faenil | yeah I filed the bug in the compositor section... | 18:00 |
| faenil | (in january) | 18:00 |
| alterego | harmattan runs a dhcp server on usb0 we don't | 18:01 |
| alterego | maybe we should :) | 18:01 |
| special | move it to 192.168.3.x while you're at it :p | 18:01 |
| w00t | yeah.. | 18:02 |
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| alterego | neah, 192.168.4. :p | 18:06 |
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| Venemo | in the meantime, my ISP plays tricks on me | 18:08 |
| Venemo | do I need the Mer platform SDK? or something else? | 18:08 |
| alterego | for what? | 18:08 |
| alterego | Well, the mer sdk is pretty good for everything tbf :) | 18:09 |
| Venemo | I'd like to run my stuff on Nemo from Qt Creator. | 18:09 |
| alterego | Erm, good luck | 18:09 |
| Venemo | hrm | 18:09 |
| Venemo | is there any way to do this? I can give up on qt creator if needed. | 18:10 |
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| alterego | We don't have any kind of qt creator support yet, but feel free to try and hack it :) | 18:10 |
| Venemo | alterego, ok, is it possible without qt creator? | 18:10 |
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| alterego | Well, I use qt creator to test on desktop, then I use osc build to build the packages to test on device | 18:10 |
| Venemo | I am unfamiliar with osc | 18:11 |
| alterego | Well, you'll need to learn it to build packages for mer/nemo so it's a good start ;) | 18:11 |
| Venemo | I don't want to build packages yet. | 18:11 |
| Venemo | what I want is to cross-compile the code, scp it to the device and run it on-device | 18:12 |
| alterego | Hrm, well you can use osc to chroot into an enviroment where you can build arm stuff, like scratchbox | 18:12 |
| faenil | who's working on the wifi panel? | 18:12 |
| special | Venemo: I've been doing that with the mer sdk | 18:13 |
| Venemo | special, awesome! :) | 18:13 |
| special | but not through creator. | 18:13 |
| alterego | It is fiddly | 18:13 |
| Venemo | special, can you walk me through doing it? | 18:13 |
| faenil | Venemo, I've set sb2 up today! :) | 18:13 |
| faenil | with help from special | 18:13 |
| Venemo | awesome :) | 18:14 |
| faenil | I can help you through it (later, having dinner in 5 mins) if he doesn't want to repeat :D | 18:14 |
| special | install the SDK from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK then follow instructions on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2 to get the targets | 18:14 |
| Venemo | I don't see it in the channel log | 18:14 |
| Venemo | special, ok | 18:15 |
| faenil | via mp ;) | 18:15 |
| Venemo | mp=? | 18:15 |
| faenil | pm sorry | 18:16 |
| w00t | (hopefully in time we'll end up with a better apps sdk story, but we need someone who wants to work on that..) | 18:17 |
| faenil | w00t :) | 18:17 |
| w00t | alterego: you don't need to use a chroot for that, you can just tell osc build to build for arm | 18:17 |
| faenil | w00t, how can I build an rpm I can install on nemo without OBS? | 18:18 |
| w00t | faenil: osc build --local inside the platform SDK | 18:18 |
| faenil | I mean, what's the suggested procedure to go from qmake -> make to installing an rpm | 18:18 |
| faenil | w00t, ok good :) | 18:18 |
| alterego | it does local anyway, he doesn't want to make packages .. | 18:19 |
| alterego | so chroot in to the environment sk he can do qmake; make | 18:20 |
| faenil | alterego, qmake + make builds the exe | 18:20 |
| faenil | I want the rpm :) | 18:20 |
| w00t | yeah, uh, "installing an rpm" kind of implies he does want the package ;) | 18:21 |
| * w00t hands alterego some coffee :-p | 18:21 | |
| Venemo | w00t, I think alterego referred to what I said | 18:23 |
| Venemo | anyway, I'll have dinner first, then continue with this stuff | 18:23 |
| Venemo | actually if I can for example make a shell script that automatizes the process or something, I don't see why I couldn't hook that button in Qt Creator to run that script. | 18:24 |
| alterego | venemo just wants to scp an executable .. | 18:24 |
| alterego | Venemo: I actually did get osc working with qt creator a while ago, but I'm nit sure it'll work with the new sb2 backed one. | 18:25 |
| Venemo | alterego, how did you do that? | 18:26 |
| alterego | Venemo: I'll give it another go in a bit and let you know how I grt on. | 18:26 |
| Venemo | ok, after dinner. | 18:26 |
| Venemo | :P | 18:26 |
| alterego | but yeah, download mer sdk | 18:26 |
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| faenil | w00t, so will osc build --local build an rpm? :D | 18:28 |
| alterego | faenil: you can drop the local, and yes | 18:29 |
| faenil | ok, good :) | 18:29 |
| alterego | osc build --no-verify [proj] arch | 18:29 |
| alterego | inside your checked out obs package directory | 18:30 |
| * Sage really hates https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=200 | 18:30 | |
| faenil | Sage, eh, so do I :) | 18:30 |
| faenil | alterego, and I guess dir in the obs package isn't the same as the git one? | 18:31 |
| alterego | faenil no | 18:31 |
| alterego | faenil: a nice way to get to grips with it is to osc checkout a pre existing nemo package | 18:31 |
| faenil | bloody hell, ok... xD | 18:31 |
| alterego | It is a pain in the ass to learn, but pretty straight forward when you get to grips with it :) | 18:32 |
| alterego | Should only take an hour to learn the basics | 18:33 |
| Sage | w00t: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=266 | 18:33 |
| faenil | alterego, ok :) | 18:33 |
| faenil | alterego, any link to learn the basics? :) | 18:33 |
| Sage | w00t: maybe you should ask iekku to make you default cc for that application (and others you want)? | 18:33 |
| alterego | hrm, I'll see if I can find one ang on | 18:33 |
| iekku | would be good | 18:34 |
| w00t | iekku: make it so! | 18:34 |
| iekku | w00t, sage said "ask" not "command" | 18:35 |
| w00t | iekku: make it so? | 18:35 |
| w00t | 0:) | 18:35 |
| * w00t can tell he's going to get a fat lip when he meets iekku next | 18:35 | |
| w00t | first, I cancel your holiday, next I try boss you around :-p | 18:35 |
| iekku | w00t, feel free to try | 18:36 |
| w00t | heheh | 18:36 |
| alterego | lbt: do we have a getting started page for developers on the wiki? | 18:36 |
| alterego | lbt: configuring osc etc? | 18:36 |
| iekku | this badger has sharp teeth and nails | 18:36 |
| iekku | w00t, your wish has been granted | 18:36 |
| alterego | iekku: should see a vet :p | 18:36 |
| w00t | thankyou | 18:36 |
| alterego | lbt: nvm | 18:37 |
| iekku | w00t, anything else than contacts/people | 18:38 |
| iekku | ? | 18:38 |
| w00t | iekku: let me look | 18:38 |
| iekku | alterego, do you want to be cc for dialer? | 18:38 |
| w00t | file manager (if I'm not already there) | 18:38 |
| faenil | w00t, why is there a dummy contact when you start the app? :D | 18:39 |
| alterego | iekku: would be good yes ;) | 18:39 |
| Sage | w00t: ;) | 18:39 |
| w00t | iekku: special might like to be default-cc'd to Applications / Photos/Gallery | 18:39 |
| iekku | w00t, you were there already | 18:39 |
| w00t | special: ^ ? | 18:39 |
| special | I'd be willing | 18:39 |
| iekku | alterego, there you go | 18:39 |
| w00t | alterego: are you going to nuke https://github.com/nemomobile/qmldialer and push stuff there btw? | 18:40 |
| iekku | special, there you go | 18:40 |
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| iekku | any other requests? | 18:40 |
| alterego | w00t: I'm using gitorious at the moment. | 18:41 |
| w00t | any reason why? everything else is all under one project.. having all resources in one place would be good | 18:41 |
| alterego | I'll move it across soon then | 18:41 |
| w00t | mmk | 18:41 |
| w00t | pretty sure you have rights already? if you have any problems just holla | 18:42 |
| w00t | and i'll smack it | 18:42 |
| iekku | (notice that i'm not that much available soon for 2 weeks) | 18:42 |
| alterego | Yeah, I've got full rights already afair | 18:42 |
| w00t | iekku: none from me at least, perhaps you could delegate powa to Sage while you're gone in case something comes up? | 18:42 |
| special | iekku: if you want, you could rename Applications/SMS to Messages and set me as CC | 18:43 |
| w00t | special: I think she already did the CC | 18:43 |
| Sage | w00t: you assume I want the powa ;) | 18:43 |
| w00t | Sage: i'm taking part in proactive delegation | 18:43 |
| w00t | :-p | 18:43 |
| faenil | haahah | 18:43 |
| * Sage gives w00t +1 | 18:44 | |
| iekku | w00t, lbt and Stskeeps has powa | 18:45 |
| w00t | iekku: fine, so long as we have someone in case of emergency :) | 18:45 |
| w00t | but i think we'll be fine | 18:45 |
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| iekku | special, done | 18:46 |
| special | thanks | 18:46 |
| iekku | w00t, i can do emergency changes even from my phone | 18:46 |
| faenil | w00t, how comes there's a dummy contact in the contacts app? :) | 18:48 |
| w00t | faenil: read the comment on the report | 18:48 |
| w00t | or is that comment from testing it? | 18:49 |
| faenil | I've opened it and I've seen the image of a person | 18:49 |
| faenil | and asked myself "who's him" xD | 18:49 |
| Sage | ;) | 18:49 |
| faenil | ok I'm reading the report :) | 18:49 |
| iekku | if i ever start to code i will use cute badger pictures as placeholders | 18:50 |
| * Venemo is back | 18:50 | |
| faenil | w00t, read, lol.....ehm, lol, only lol xD | 18:50 |
| alterego | I guess I should take this opportunity to guide you both through obs Venemo and faenil | 18:50 |
| Venemo | obs? | 18:51 |
| Venemo | okay | 18:51 |
| faenil | Venemo, that thing they use to keep packages updated | 18:51 |
| faenil | a building system :) | 18:51 |
| Venemo | as I understand it, obs serves a similar purpose as koji | 18:51 |
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| alterego | Well, you'll need to go through the priliminaries to build for mer/nemo | 18:52 |
| * Venemo is listening | 18:53 | |
| alterego | Okay, download mer sdk | 18:53 |
| * faenil has sb2 set up :) | 18:53 | |
| alterego | faenil: in the sdk? | 18:54 |
| faenil | alterego, I went through the sdk + sb2 procedure | 18:54 |
| Venemo | right now I'm reading the wikipage. the sdk is downloaded but I haven't set it up yet. | 18:54 |
| lbt | faenil: check the /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/self/mounts | 18:55 |
| alterego | Venemo: well set it up, I just need to get a little prepared :P | 18:55 |
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| Venemo | okay | 18:55 |
| faenil | alterego, I'm actually having dinner in 5 mins xD | 18:55 |
| Venemo | faenil, nah, you said that half an hour ago | 18:56 |
| Venemo | faenil, since then I've had my dinner :P | 18:56 |
| faenil | Venemo, exactly, people are waiting for me :D | 18:56 |
| faenil | Venemo, and I can tell you they're not happy :D :D | 18:56 |
| Venemo | faenil, just go | 18:56 |
| Venemo | faenil, we'll wait for you. | 18:56 |
| alterego | faenil: just go have your dinner. | 18:56 |
| alterego | Venemo: needs to setup sdk first :P | 18:56 |
| faenil | or you can just go on, I can read the chatlog ;) | 18:56 |
| faenil | right :) | 18:57 |
| * Venemo grabs his coffe and a big cup of tea as well | 18:57 | |
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| Venemo | faenil, just have dinner. and give my regards to your family. (or whoever's waiting for you) :) | 18:58 |
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| faenil | thanks ;) friends anyway :) my family is 600km away :D cya later guys ;) | 18:58 |
| alterego | ttyl | 18:58 |
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| Venemo | I have this very nice earl grey tea variant. it also contains ginger and it's very nice | 19:00 |
| alterego | nice :) | 19:01 |
| Venemo | alterego, I need to do this as root, right? I mean the commands at the start of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 19:01 |
| alterego | No, notice the sudo infront of the commands that need root access ;) | 19:02 |
| Venemo | ah, I see | 19:02 |
| Venemo | ok | 19:02 |
| Venemo | mer-sdk-chroot enter gave me some errors | 19:05 |
| alterego | Did you mer-sdk-chroot mount first? | 19:05 |
| Venemo | indeed | 19:05 |
| alterego | What errors? | 19:05 |
| Venemo | http://fpaste.org/mPH6/ | 19:05 |
| alterego | Interesting, well, it should still work | 19:05 |
| alterego | Try running sb2 | 19:06 |
| Venemo | hm | 19:06 |
| Venemo | I was wrong | 19:06 |
| Venemo | I think it actually works | 19:07 |
| Venemo | sorry, false alarm | 19:07 |
| alterego | :) | 19:08 |
| alterego | Now go through these instructions :) | 19:08 |
| alterego | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Create_a_simple_C_program | 19:08 |
| alterego | Or carry on through the platform SDK instructions you are looking at now. | 19:08 |
| Venemo | it just didn't print out anything like maemo's scratchbox sdk, that's why I thought it didn't work | 19:08 |
| alterego | But I think the SB2 way that faenil_dinner reminded me of earlier is probably the best :) | 19:08 |
| Venemo | I'm not sure what the SB2 way it | 19:09 |
| Venemo | is* | 19:09 |
| alterego | Yeah, on the wiki page for the SDK, it tells you how to create a custom prompt for the SDK :) | 19:09 |
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| alterego | It'll allow you to easily build packages for nemo by doing "sb2 qmake" "sb2 make" :) | 19:09 |
| alterego | So you don't have to worry about obs yet. | 19:09 |
| Venemo | awesome | 19:09 |
| Venemo | so I can do that without actually entering the chroot? | 19:09 |
| alterego | yes | 19:10 |
| Venemo | okay, does this SDK also include scratchbox2 or I'll have to install it myself? | 19:10 |
| alterego | Well, just try running "sb2" inside the sdk | 19:11 |
| Venemo | sb2: Error: No target specified and none set as default, aborting. | 19:11 |
| Venemo | seems that I have it then | 19:11 |
| alterego | And what does that tell you? ;) | 19:11 |
| Venemo | it tells me that I somehow need to setup a target and set it as default | 19:11 |
| alterego | So now follow the instructions for that SDK + SB2 link I gave you and you should be able to build a mer or nemo target and build for it with sb2 :) | 19:12 |
| Venemo | this? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Target_Preparation | 19:12 |
| alterego | yes :) | 19:12 |
| alterego | just follow that page :) | 19:12 |
| Venemo | okay | 19:13 |
| alterego | I'll try to work on qt creator integration at some point. As it would be useful for me too. | 19:13 |
| alterego | Should even be able to get deployment working :) | 19:13 |
| Venemo | actually, Qt Creator can already connect to the device the same way it connects to Harmattan or Fremantle devices. | 19:14 |
| Venemo | this seems to be working out of the box | 19:14 |
| alterego | Sure, it just doesn't know how to build for those targets. | 19:14 |
| alterego | Which I can do | 19:14 |
| Venemo | indeed! | 19:14 |
| w00t | i'd expect integration to work, but it won't be using the right toolchain/libs/etc | 19:14 |
| alterego | Then it needs a deploy script | 19:14 |
| Venemo | it can even query the versions of the qt libs installed on the device. but as you said, it doesn't have a toolchain set up for it | 19:14 |
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| w00t | what it basically needs, is a rootfs thrown at creator, and that will probably cover most of it | 19:15 |
| alterego | Like I said, I had my qt creator integrated with mer sdk ages ago | 19:15 |
| alterego | Even obs | 19:15 |
| alterego | But I've not done it in a while or had it setup with sb2 | 19:15 |
| alterego | Anyway, I'll work on that later this evening, maybe tomorrow. | 19:16 |
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| Venemo | alterego, ok, I'm working on the target now. | 19:21 |
| Venemo | in the meantime, can I ask a question? | 19:21 |
| w00t | Sage: trying to give me some work huh? ;-) | 19:21 |
| alterego | sure | 19:21 |
| w00t | Venemo: you just asked one | 19:21 |
| Venemo | sudo mic create fs mer-core-armv7hl-xorg-basic-qmlviewer.ks -o /parentroot/srv/mer/targets --pkgmgr=yum --arch armv7hl | 19:21 |
| w00t | you want a second? :-D | 19:21 |
| alterego | Venemo: yup, that's creating a real life mer image :) | 19:21 |
| alterego | Which can actually be booted on a device, like the N900, N9 or N950 :) | 19:22 |
| Venemo | I _assume_ this is the same thing as meego image creator was. I also assume that --pkgmgr=yum makes it use yum. but isn't mer using zypper? | 19:22 |
| w00t | that argument defines what manager is used to create the image | 19:22 |
| w00t | not what you use on device | 19:22 |
| Venemo | I see. | 19:22 |
| w00t | zypper has had some rough edges in the past with image creation | 19:22 |
| Venemo | lol | 19:22 |
| Sage | w00t: oh, you have free hands? | 19:23 |
| Venemo | okay | 19:23 |
| * Sage goes to write more bugs | 19:23 | |
| alterego | lol | 19:23 |
| Sage | ;) | 19:23 |
| Venemo | Sage :) | 19:23 |
| alterego | Venemo: and yes, mic is our image creator | 19:23 |
| w00t | Sage: I wouldn't say _free_ :-p | 19:23 |
| * w00t has quite a long TODO | 19:23 | |
| w00t | gutting ContactModel is increasingly rising to the top of that list | 19:24 |
| alterego | Venemo: the SDK you're using, you can build your own .tar.bz2 file using mic, you can create targets for sb2 using mic, and you can use it to make images for devices :) | 19:24 |
| Venemo | alterego, is this the thing that according to Sts (in his Devaamo talk), takes about 15 minutes on a fast laptop | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | yess | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:24 |
| Venemo | okay, this one seems to be a fast laptop :P | 19:25 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps :) | 19:25 |
| alterego | :) | 19:25 |
| alterego | takes mine about 5 minutes :) | 19:25 |
| Venemo | yep, that's about it | 19:25 |
| alterego | I really like the mer SDK, it's extremely impressive :) | 19:26 |
| Venemo | :) | 19:26 |
| Venemo | so just that I understand correctly. | 19:27 |
| Venemo | the .ks file tells the thing what packages to grab and from where, right? | 19:27 |
| w00t | basically | 19:27 |
| Venemo | --pkgmgr tells it what to grab those packages with | 19:27 |
| alterego | Yes, and configure the image etc, | 19:27 |
| Venemo | and -o tells it where to do this | 19:27 |
| w00t | though a bit more | 19:27 |
| w00t | it's basically a recipe | 19:27 |
| alterego | Have a peek, they're not that big :) | 19:28 |
| Venemo | what's impressive about this is that even a simpleton like me can understand it. | 19:28 |
| alterego | I have my own .ks for building a minimal nemo image with my new dialer app, which is retrieved from my own personal rpm obs repo. | 19:29 |
| Venemo | sudo chown -R $USER /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/* -----> do I have to put my username in there or $USER will do just that? | 19:29 |
| alterego | $USER will do it | 19:29 |
| Venemo | at the target setup part, can I give any other name I like to the target instead of mer-core? | 19:30 |
| Venemo | like mer-core-arm | 19:31 |
| alterego | yes | 19:31 |
| Venemo | just in case I want to do the same thing for x86 later | 19:31 |
| alterego | which is a good idea ;) | 19:31 |
| alterego | Should probably update the wiki | 19:31 |
| rcg | thanks Venemo for all your asking.. was quite an informative read :) | 19:32 |
| alterego | lol | 19:32 |
| rcg | but i got some, possibly stupid question: how does the sdk relate to obs? | 19:32 |
| alterego | Well, as long as everyone is learning, then you can teach others ;) | 19:32 |
| alterego | rcg: the SDK has osc, which is a client for obs. | 19:32 |
| rcg | alterego: right, got osc here already on fedora | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | get mer platform sdk anyway | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:33 |
| alterego | rcg: we use osc to push packages to obs, which obs builds and sticks in repositories for us to then use in our .ks files for mic to create our images :) | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | it makes sure you don't have weird hiccups | 19:33 |
| alterego | rcg: best to use the versions we all use in the platform sdk :) | 19:33 |
| rcg | alright :) | 19:33 |
| rcg | so another entry on my todo list :) | 19:33 |
| rcg | and of course also thanks to all you guys answering Venemo's questions :D | 19:35 |
| Venemo | yeah, thanks indeed :) | 19:37 |
| Venemo | rcg, I'm glad I was able to actually help you with my dumbness. | 19:38 |
| alterego | lol | 19:39 |
| Venemo | actually, does it matter if I have an x86_64 host OS? | 19:40 |
| Venemo | the whole article just talks about x86 | 19:41 |
| Venemo | even sb2 thinks that "sb2-init: Host architecture is 'i[3456]86'" | 19:41 |
| Venemo | there is a very nice to the whole thing though: the wiki article admits+explains all bugs and it also tells me how to work around them | 19:44 |
| alterego | Venemo: I use x86_64 | 19:44 |
| alterego | Venemo: it's a chroot, so no ;) | 19:44 |
| Venemo | okay :) | 19:44 |
| Venemo | this wiki is very educational, thanks everyone for writing it | 19:45 |
| Venemo | can I install qt-devel the same way I installed glibc-devel in the target | 19:46 |
| Venemo | ? | 19:46 |
| alterego | yes | 19:47 |
| Venemo | okay | 19:48 |
| Venemo | now that I was able to compile hello.c, how do I run it? | 19:48 |
| Venemo | nevermind | 19:48 |
| Venemo | sb2 did the trick | 19:48 |
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| alterego | think of it like scratchbox, but from the outside | 19:48 |
| alterego | Where sb2 is your prompt | 19:49 |
| alterego | Venemo: you'll need to add some repos for qt dev though | 19:49 |
| Venemo | alterego, since the question, I made it to the part where it explains about setting up the n950-nemo rootfs | 19:50 |
| alterego | Cool, | 19:50 |
| alterego | There's also the bit about integrating with osc chroot environments, which is what I was going to show you, but it's all there, so just read through :) | 19:51 |
| Venemo | can I use the same archive for this purpose as the one I untarred to the device rootfs? | 19:51 |
| alterego | indeed you can | 19:51 |
| Venemo | awesome | 19:51 |
| Venemo | based on the instructions on the wiki, would it be possible to write a GUI and automatize all this? | 19:53 |
| alterego | Well, we want to work on a target generation script | 19:54 |
| alterego | So maybe have something like "sb2-target install http://blah/nemo.ks" | 19:54 |
| alterego | Would be cool | 19:54 |
| Venemo | it would be even cooler if I could do it with a few clicks on a GUI | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | command line is also fast, when centered around sdk | 19:56 |
| Venemo | anyway, I can't even imagine how you did this before these tools existed. | 19:56 |
| alterego | Well, the tools existed before mer sdk | 19:57 |
| alterego | obs, mic, suse and moblin | 19:57 |
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| alterego | sb2 scratchbox2 has been around a long while too | 19:57 |
| alterego | Though with the exception of us, don't really know anyone else that uses it. | 19:58 |
| Venemo | isn't the fremantle and harmattan sdks also using scratchbox2? | 19:58 |
| Venemo | or was that scratchbox 1? | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | sb1 | 19:59 |
| Venemo | mhm | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: tizen, of all people | 19:59 |
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| Venemo | Stskeeps, srsly? | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, tizen / samsung uses it | 19:59 |
| Venemo | awesome | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | though not in tizen 2.0 | 19:59 |
| Venemo | is there already a tizen 2.0? | 20:00 |
| Venemo | hm. | 20:00 |
| Venemo | I haven't even seen the 1.0. | 20:00 |
| Venemo | nor the 0.1, for that matter. | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i like nemo more, it's sexier | 20:01 |
| Venemo | :) | 20:01 |
| Venemo | nemo is awesome | 20:01 |
| Venemo | all it needs is a better user experience. | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | at least you're open to make it | 20:03 |
| Venemo | :) | 20:05 |
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| faenil | yo | 20:06 |
| faenil | o/ | 20:06 |
| Venemo | hey faenil | 20:07 |
| Venemo | about this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#N950_Nemo_Mobile | 20:07 |
| Venemo | shouldn't 'mkdir -p /srv/mer/targets/n950rootfs' have 'sudo' before it? | 20:08 |
| faenil | checking my history | 20:08 |
| faenil | I added it | 20:08 |
| Venemo | just asking because "cannot create directory `/srv/mer': Permission denied" | 20:09 |
| Venemo | so either I screwed up somewhere along the way, or it should have sudo | 20:09 |
| faenil | don't know, I have added ir | 20:09 |
| faenil | it | 20:09 |
| alterego | Venemo: chown -R $USER /srv/mer/targets | 20:10 |
| alterego | Oh wait, you're trying to make /srv/mer | 20:10 |
| Venemo | chown: cannot access `/srv/mer/targets': No such file or directory | 20:10 |
| alterego | Yeah, sorry, I thought you'd already made that directory. | 20:10 |
| Venemo | hrm | 20:11 |
| Venemo | should I do this outside the sdk? | 20:11 |
| alterego | nope | 20:11 |
| Venemo | the previous target was placed in /parentroot/srv/mer/targets | 20:11 |
| alterego | Oh, the original targets are /parentroot | 20:11 |
| Venemo | there isn't even a directory called /srv/mer/targets | 20:11 |
| alterego | Yeah, stick it there. | 20:11 |
| alterego | append /parentroot | 20:12 |
| faenil | alterego, I've used sudo... | 20:12 |
| Venemo | okay! | 20:12 |
| alterego | Mine are actually under ~/.local/mer, but meh h:) | 20:12 |
| alterego | faenil: really doesn't matter. | 20:12 |
| Venemo | ok | 20:12 |
| faenil | yeah, it's working :P | 20:12 |
| alterego | I'm not sure why they use parent root, except to keep the targets if you destroy your mer-sdk | 20:12 |
| faenil | lbt, ping | 20:12 |
| alterego | But like I said, I use ~/.local/ | 20:12 |
| Venemo | I'd prefer to keep them in the same place so I'll append parentroot as alterego suggested | 20:12 |
| alterego | But then, my sdk is installed in /opt/sdks/mer-sdk | 20:13 |
| alterego | Rather than /srv/ | 20:13 |
| Venemo | hm | 20:15 |
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| Venemo | btw, what's the purpose of /opt in a regular Linux distro? | 20:15 |
| faenil | option software | 20:15 |
| faenil | optional | 20:15 |
| alterego | optional software :) | 20:15 |
| faenil | which is not part of the base system | 20:15 |
| Venemo | so why is it empty? | 20:16 |
| faenil | today I discovered qmlgallery is in /opt, for instance :D | 20:16 |
| alterego | Because you've not used it :P | 20:16 |
| faenil | empty? ... | 20:16 |
| Venemo | yeah | 20:16 |
| faenil | oh you mean in the sdk | 20:16 |
| alterego | I use /opt for nokia qt sdk, mer sdk, java, all sorts of things. | 20:16 |
| Venemo | faenil, no, in my Fedora 16 installation | 20:16 |
| alterego | Well, no use in the SDK | 20:16 |
| alterego | Venemo: it's stuff you install outside of fedora package management. | 20:17 |
| alterego | You could also use "local" | 20:17 |
| Venemo | mhmm | 20:17 |
| alterego | /usr/local that is .. | 20:17 |
| Venemo | so it's kind of a convention to put various custom stuff there? | 20:17 |
| alterego | I use /usr/local for things I'm compiling from source, that I deem good for the system, I use /opt for things that come as precompiled packages, chroots, whatever. | 20:17 |
| alterego | Yeah | 20:17 |
| alterego | f /srv is meant for stuff you host via a service of somekind, like http, or whatever. | 20:18 |
| Venemo | I see | 20:19 |
| Venemo | is the same method used to set up an x86 target? | 20:21 |
| alterego | Yeah, you just use a different .ks and --arch parameter to mic | 20:23 |
| alterego | Or get the rootfs | 20:23 |
| Venemo | after I've set up a new target, how can I make it the default? | 20:23 |
| alterego | sb2-config -d TARGET | 20:23 |
| Venemo | thanks | 20:24 |
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| Venemo | awesome | 20:27 |
| Venemo | so, what is the preferred way to compile, scp to device and run? | 20:28 |
| Venemo | besides manually doing so, of course. | 20:28 |
| alterego | Well, I though that was what you wanted? :P | 20:28 |
| alterego | ~thought .. | 20:28 |
| Venemo | :P | 20:28 |
| alterego | Like I said, I use osc, build an rpm, scp rpm, rpm -i, :) | 20:28 |
| Venemo | yep, you said so | 20:29 |
| alterego | But then, my packages are large, made from plugins, executables and libraries. | 20:29 |
| alterego | Which, scp'ing would be a pain in the ass ;) | 20:29 |
| Venemo | what packages are those? | 20:29 |
| alterego | The new dialer | 20:30 |
| alterego | columbus | 20:30 |
| Venemo | mhm :) | 20:30 |
| Venemo | I can't imagine what makes a dialer a large package | 20:30 |
| Venemo | it must be a very cool dialer | 20:30 |
| alterego | Here's a fairly early screenshot of the new dialer :) http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/voicecall/voicecall-20120721-122405.png | 20:30 |
| Venemo | very cool indeed! | 20:30 |
| alterego | Well, look at the source :P | 20:30 |
| faenil | I see antialiasing there alterego :D | 20:31 |
| alterego | faenil: exactly :P | 20:31 |
| alterego | But that font is only 48 | 20:31 |
| Venemo | antialiasing should be a simple bool property in QML, shouldn't it? | 20:31 |
| alterego | faenil: I'm also using TextEntry :P | 20:31 |
| alterego | Venemo: source: https://gitorious.org/voicecall | 20:32 |
| faenil | Venemo, not always, if the text is larger than 64px | 20:32 |
| Venemo | alterego, you're using qtsingleapplication? hm! | 20:32 |
| alterego | I'm using it, I'm using it twice! | 20:32 |
| alterego | lol | 20:32 |
| alterego | faenil: doesn't seem to be an issue with TextEntry .. | 20:33 |
| Venemo | I've never used it since I found out about invoker | 20:33 |
| alterego | Well, this is different use case. | 20:33 |
| faenil | alterego, "not always" :) | 20:33 |
| alterego | The ui, could potentially work with invoker. | 20:34 |
| alterego | But the service probably not a greate idea. | 20:34 |
| alterego | ~great ,, | 20:34 |
| Venemo | indeed | 20:35 |
| Venemo | who knows? | 20:35 |
| Venemo | anyway | 20:35 |
| Venemo | should I be able to build my stuff with 'sb2 qmake' then 'sb2 make'? | 20:35 |
| faenil | alterego, do you know which folders are being scanned by qmlgallery? | 20:36 |
| alterego | faenil: no idea | 20:36 |
| special | tracker does the scanning | 20:36 |
| alterego | Venemo: you should be able to yes. | 20:36 |
| Venemo | alterego, 'sb2 make' doesn't do anything | 20:36 |
| Venemo | :( | 20:36 |
| faenil | special, yeah, do you know where it looks for files? | 20:37 |
| lbt | faenil: pong | 20:37 |
| faenil | lbt, you said something about symlinks | 20:37 |
| special | ~/Pictures/ is one, I'm not sure what else relevant to images | 20:37 |
| alterego | lbt: why doesn't "sb2 -t TARGET make" do anything? | 20:37 |
| faenil | special, well yeah I expected Pictures to be parth of the "filepath" :D | 20:37 |
| faenil | alterego, | 20:37 |
| lbt | faenil: check the /etc/mtab is a symlink to /proc/self/mounts | 20:37 |
| faenil | because make isn't installed in the SDK by default | 20:37 |
| faenil | lbt, inside sdk? | 20:38 |
| lbt | yes | 20:38 |
| alterego | Oooo | 20:38 |
| lbt | some bug somewhere - will be looking at it next week | 20:38 |
| faenil | file -b reports "empty" | 20:38 |
| faenil | alterego, yeah, make isn't installed :) Stskeeps told me to file a bug about it, and I will :) | 20:38 |
| alterego | Venemo: ^ install make ;) | 20:39 |
| * lbt welcomes bugs on SDK - I'll be doing a new release RSN and will try to make it saner. | 20:39 | |
| alterego | lbt: well, really great work so far :) | 20:39 |
| lbt | I will probably remove a lot of the cross-build toolchains from the image | 20:39 |
| Venemo | alterego :) | 20:39 |
| alterego | lbt: what about these target automation installation scripts? | 20:39 |
| lbt | to minimise download time | 20:39 |
| alterego | I wouldn't mind working on those myself if you'd like | 20:39 |
| lbt | sure | 20:40 |
| faenil | lbt, do I have to add it? | 20:40 |
| lbt | faenil: yes | 20:40 |
| alterego | lbt: do we have any kind of, erm, guidelines for scripts? | 20:40 |
| faenil | lbt, can I know why? :) | 20:40 |
| alterego | Like examples maybe I can base mine on :) | 20:40 |
| lbt | alterego: make it fit with the current style | 20:40 |
| alterego | ah'kay | 20:41 |
| lbt | faenil: it's needed by various tools like mic | 20:41 |
| Venemo | seems that qt-devel is not enough either | 20:41 |
| lbt | alterego: check mer-chroot-sdk script | 20:41 |
| faenil | lbt, ok, hope I don't screw anything, so I have to delete /etc/mtab and recreate it as symlink | 20:42 |
| lbt | mer-sdk-chroot even | 20:42 |
| lbt | faenil: yes | 20:42 |
| alterego | lbt: will do | 20:42 |
| alterego | Also, "features.h: No such file or directory" | 20:42 |
| lbt | note that sb2 is a bit dim | 20:42 |
| lbt | so you won't get "file not found" | 20:43 |
| faenil | lbt, I don't understand when you're talking to me :P | 20:43 |
| alterego | Probably need to install glibc-devel | 20:43 |
| lbt | faenil: that sb2 comment was generic | 20:44 |
| faenil | I installed it | 20:44 |
| faenil | lbt, ok | 20:44 |
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| faenil | lbt, ln: creating symbolic link `/proc/self/mounts': File exists | 20:45 |
| faenil | got to delete that too? | 20:45 |
| lbt | err, no :) | 20:46 |
| faenil | sorry switched args | 20:46 |
| faenil | ;) | 20:46 |
| lbt | yep | 20:46 |
| * alterego creates a his own devel.ks for dialer. | 20:46 | |
| faenil | done ;) | 20:46 |
| alterego | So much nicer managing scratchbox targets like this. | 20:46 |
| faenil | alterego, I still don't understand what this is all about :D | 20:46 |
| alterego | Plus, I can use the image to actually compile on the move. lol | 20:46 |
| alterego | faenil: plenty of info in the history buffer. | 20:47 |
| alterego | faenil: but if you have a question, just ask :P | 20:47 |
| faenil | well I think I'd better read old days convs :) | 20:47 |
| Venemo | hm | 20:47 |
| Venemo | seems that I screwed up something | 20:47 |
| Venemo | :( | 20:47 |
| alterego | err? | 20:47 |
| Venemo | it did not found QGLWidget among the includes, so I installed a couple more libs. it installed qt5 too which screwed up again. so I removed qt5. now qmake doesn't do anything. | 20:48 |
| alterego | lol | 20:48 |
| alterego | well, you probably need to install qt-devel | 20:49 |
| alterego | again | 20:49 |
| Venemo | zypper rm qt-qmake actually made it install qt5 again | 20:49 |
| alterego | lol | 20:50 |
| alterego | lolwell, you could remove the target and reinstall | 20:50 |
| alterego | But I said install qt-devel, not qt-qmake ;) | 20:50 |
| faenil | Venemo, I just did sb2 -t nemo-n950 -m sdk-install -R zypper in make qt-devel glibc-devel | 20:50 |
| faenil | as suggested by special :) | 20:50 |
| Venemo | after removing qt5 again it reinstalled qt-qmake | 20:50 |
| Venemo | so now I have qmake and it works | 20:50 |
| Venemo | but I still don't have QGLWidget | 20:51 |
| alterego | install libqtopengl-devel | 20:51 |
| alterego | "zypper search" is your friend ;) | 20:51 |
| Venemo | I was lazy, so I did a zypper install *qt*-devel | 20:51 |
| Venemo | I thought whatever is missing will be installed then | 20:52 |
| Venemo | that's how I accidentally got qt5 | 20:52 |
| Venemo | :D | 20:52 |
| faenil | lol | 20:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 20:52 |
| Venemo | scp doesn't exist in the chroot | 20:54 |
| alterego | zypper is your friend (without sb2) | 20:55 |
| Venemo | I can do it from outside | 20:56 |
| Venemo | however | 20:56 |
| Venemo | I'm in trouble | 20:56 |
| Venemo | http://fpaste.org/PQKO/ | 20:56 |
| Venemo | I thought the user nemo is the user user on Nemo | 20:56 |
| Venemo | but it does not have permissions to /home/nemo | 20:56 |
| Venemo | what the hell is that | 20:56 |
| alterego | Hmm, usb net? | 20:57 |
| Venemo | it doesn't have permissions on the device either | 20:57 |
| Venemo | sorry, it's http://fpaste.org/8Xjr/ | 20:57 |
| alterego | are you using usb networking? | 20:58 |
| Venemo | yes I am | 20:58 |
| alterego | Try unplugging and reconfiguring | 20:59 |
| alterego | maybe try restarting device too :) | 20:59 |
| alterego | But I'm heading off now to sleep a bit. ciao! :) | 20:59 |
| Venemo | all right | 21:00 |
| Venemo | thanks for your help :) | 21:00 |
| alterego | np :) | 21:00 |
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| Venemo | hm | 21:06 |
| Venemo | once more I'm stuck at the boot screen | 21:06 |
| Venemo | what the... | 21:06 |
| faenil | crap, no OBS? :D | 21:11 |
| faenil | well, good night alterego, cya :) | 21:12 |
| Venemo | faenil, do you have an idea why it's stuck at the boot screen? | 21:14 |
| faenil | wifi doesn't work anymore since I updated packages :( | 21:14 |
| faenil | Venemo, nemo? | 21:14 |
| faenil | or harm? | 21:14 |
| Venemo | nemo | 21:14 |
| faenil | don't know :( | 21:14 |
| Venemo | I demolished harmattan | 21:14 |
| faenil | why am I in flight mode even if it is disabled?... | 21:20 |
| faenil | since i updated packages... | 21:20 |
| Venemo | someone screwed something up? | 21:20 |
| faenil | and the wifi isn't working anymore | 21:20 |
| faenil | this is annoying :( | 21:20 |
| Venemo | what's annoying is that apparently nobody tested it before releasing those packages. | 21:21 |
| faenil | Venemo, I understand them, this is a best effort product, people do what they can do, hoping someone will help :) | 21:21 |
| Venemo | sure, but it would have taken 5 minutes of testing to find the bug you found... | 21:22 |
| faenil | none said they don't know about it :) | 21:22 |
| faenil | it's just that none has had time to fix it yet | 21:22 |
| Venemo | so, why release it then? | 21:23 |
| Venemo | especially if it worked in the previous version | 21:23 |
| faenil | because it has other new features :) | 21:23 |
| Venemo | other new features are completely useless if the wifi doesn't work or if I get stuck at the startup screen | 21:23 |
| faenil | there's none active at this time... :( | 21:23 |
| faenil | Venemo, that's true, but I'm sure none is having the wifi issue but me... | 21:24 |
| faenil | otherwise you're right | 21:24 |
| faenil | there's no point in releasing it | 21:24 |
| Venemo | faenil, I had the wifi issue | 21:26 |
| Venemo | before rebooting | 21:26 |
| Venemo | now it won't even start. | 21:26 |
| faenil | :( | 21:26 |
| Venemo | I can of course reinstall the rootfs one more time | 21:27 |
| faenil | I think it's not the wifi, it's the browser, it doesn't even open a log file | 21:27 |
| faenil | the problem is I need the browser because I have the login for the internet connection... | 21:28 |
| Venemo | the wifi simply disconnected and then it was unable to establish a new connection | 21:28 |
| faenil | mine says "connected" | 21:28 |
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| Venemo | so | 21:29 |
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| Venemo | it seems that something is wrong with the wifi alltogether | 21:29 |
| Venemo | hi phaeron :) | 21:31 |
| phaeron | Venemo: hello | 21:36 |
| Venemo | phaeron, how are you? :) | 21:37 |
| rcg | Venemo: wifi in current nemo on n950? | 21:37 |
| phaeron | just woke up | 21:37 |
| Venemo | rcg, yep | 21:37 |
| * faenil is screaming "I want to fix bugs, WHY U NO WORK?" at his n950 | 21:37 | |
| Venemo | phaeron, this late? | 21:37 |
| faenil | phaeron, Australia? :D | 21:38 |
| rcg | Venemo: made the last update yesterday and wifi seems at least unstable | 21:38 |
| faenil | rcg, oh, ok :/ | 21:38 |
| phaeron | lol | 21:38 |
| Venemo | rcg, yes, for everybody else too | 21:38 |
| phaeron | faenil: close , Finland :D | 21:38 |
| faenil | phaeron, ahaha :D | 21:38 |
| rcg | however, after rebooting wifi works for "some time" o_O | 21:38 |
| faenil | rcg, holy crap | 21:38 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, you there? we have big problems here | 21:39 |
| faenil | Sage, ^ | 21:39 |
| rcg | faenil: well, i didn't have the time to investigate this yet | 21:39 |
| rcg | in more depth, i.e. | 21:39 |
| faenil | rcg, are you the one behing the wifi panel? :D | 21:39 |
| rcg | so i didn't want to call for a serious issue yet | 21:40 |
| rcg | faenil: nope | 21:40 |
| faenil | rcg, well, wifi not working by default is a big issue imho :D | 21:40 |
| faenil | Venemo, have you tried pinging from terminal | 21:40 |
| faenil | it could be a browser problem | 21:40 |
| rcg | usually i investigate such stuff with ifconfig iwconfig etc. to narrow the issue down | 21:40 |
| faenil | I can't ping because I need to login via browser to use internet | 21:40 |
| rcg | it works after reboot but stops after some time | 21:40 |
| Venemo | nah | 21:41 |
| faenil | rcg, ifconfig seems ok here, I've already checked it :) | 21:41 |
| Venemo | the good news is that my app works flawlessly on Nemo :) | 21:41 |
| faenil | Venemo, then give it a try :) | 21:41 |
| faenil | Venemo, congrats :) | 21:41 |
| rcg | last | 21:41 |
| rcg | err | 21:41 |
| rcg | Venemo: nice :) | 21:42 |
| Venemo | it feels even smoother than it was on Harmattan | 21:42 |
| rcg | faenil: i just had an issue once after the update where iwconfig didn't even show the n950 being associated with my ap | 21:42 |
| Venemo | is there a way to put Nemo-specific rules into the .pro file? | 21:42 |
| rcg | in that situation rebooting solved the issue | 21:42 |
| faenil | Venemo, can you try pinging from terminal? | 21:43 |
| Venemo | faenil, ok | 21:43 |
| rcg | faenil: that was what lead me to the interpretation that wifi is not stable | 21:43 |
| Venemo | faenil, do you want me to connect to a random neighbour's random open wifi or my wpa2 hidden wifi? | 21:43 |
| rcg | whereas, i couldn't reproduce the issue yet.. so i am kinda cautious to call alarm ;) | 21:43 |
| faenil | :) | 21:44 |
| Venemo | faenil, actually I dunno how to connect to a hidden wifi with this new UI | 21:45 |
| faenil | oh | 21:45 |
| Venemo | hm | 21:46 |
| Venemo | now there's an option to do so. | 21:46 |
| Venemo | interesting that it didn't pop up earlier | 21:46 |
| faenil | mm, so I'm connected to wifi | 21:47 |
| rcg | btw faenil if ifconfig shows its ok than usually there is no need to consult iwconfig | 21:47 |
| faenil | at least I found another ip I can ping in my lan | 21:47 |
| Venemo | ok, connected to hidden wifi | 21:48 |
| Venemo | pinging from terminal works | 21:48 |
| rcg | but you can always use iwconfig to verify you are actually connected to a wlan | 21:48 |
| faenil | so, it's the browser :) | 21:48 |
| faenil | rcg, already checked ,) | 21:48 |
| rcg | :) | 21:48 |
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| Venemo_N950 | irc works too | 21:49 |
| faenil | Venemo_N950, yeah it must be the browser... | 21:49 |
| Venemo_N950 | let me try the browser | 21:50 |
| Venemo_N950 | it appears to be working | 21:51 |
| Venemo_N950 | and this is the worst vkb i've seen in my life | 21:51 |
| faenil | Venemo_N950, it loses a lot of key events doesn't it? | 21:52 |
| Venemo_N950 | it does | 21:52 |
| faenil | yeah :( | 21:52 |
| Venemo | and something is terribly, horribly wrong with either the compositor or the home screeen | 21:53 |
| faenil | Venemo, hadn't you ever tried Nemo? | 21:54 |
| Venemo | I have tried it a few times | 21:54 |
| Venemo | actually, as surprising as it sounds, irc-chatter seems to be among the most polished apps on nemo | 21:55 |
| faenil | Venemo, because the others aren't apps people really developed | 21:56 |
| Venemo | how so? | 21:56 |
| faenil | for example I did qmlgallery (most of it, special has been polishing and adding features in the last days) | 21:56 |
| faenil | because I'm not interested in developing a image gallery, I just do it for nemo | 21:57 |
| faenil | so I don't spend all my spare time on it | 21:57 |
| Venemo | I see | 21:57 |
| faenil | I just worked on it once in january | 21:57 |
| Venemo | so the fact that I'm actually interested in developing an irc client made the difference? | 21:57 |
| faenil | yes | 21:57 |
| faenil | filemuncher is polished too, though ;) | 21:58 |
| Venemo | TwimGo works fine, although it's a usability nightmare | 21:58 |
| faenil | Venemo, oh well yeah there are other "real" softwares too | 21:58 |
| faenil | holy crap I'm getting mad on this damn issue, I want internet damnit! :@ | 21:59 |
| Venemo | actually I take back what I said previously | 22:00 |
| Venemo | wifi has improved! | 22:00 |
| faenil | :) | 22:00 |
| Venemo_N950 | compared to the previous release, it now doesn't disconnect from my wifi after a few minutes of use | 22:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | which is something | 22:01 |
| faenil | :) fantastic :) | 22:01 |
| Venemo_N950 | however there is no longer a wifi indicator on the status bar | 22:01 |
| macmaN | noticed today my n9 drained its battery ultrafast because for some reason mcompositor was cpu hogging | 22:01 |
| Venemo | faenil, do you experience redraw issues with the app switcher too? | 22:02 |
| Venemo_N950 | or any redraw issues in general | 22:02 |
| faenil | Venemo, look, I filed it :) https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=84 | 22:03 |
| faenil | back in January | 22:03 |
| Venemo_N950 | seems that sometimes it just draws stuff as empty black rectangles | 22:03 |
| Venemo | I'm not talking about app loading | 22:03 |
| faenil | loading, switching | 22:03 |
| Venemo | switching, yep | 22:04 |
| faenil | it happens in both cases | 22:04 |
| Venemo_N950 | indeed | 22:04 |
| Venemo | :( | 22:04 |
| faenil | ok, I'll just surrender | 22:05 |
| Venemo | tried a reboot yet? | 22:06 |
| faenil | 3-4 times | 22:06 |
| Venemo | :( | 22:06 |
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| faenil | and if I change the address and I hit enter, the browser crashes | 22:14 |
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| rcg | see ya guys | 22:22 |
| rcg | gonna hit the sack | 22:22 |
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| Venemo | good night folks :) | 22:43 |
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| faenil | so, for the records...it seems the problem with wifi in my case was the power managment (again) | 22:47 |
| faenil | iwconfig wlan0 power off, fixed it | 22:47 |
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