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| w00t | anyone want to test a new gallery version before I submit it? | 09:18 |
| * w00t drops a pin.. | 09:19 | |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5246 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5246 | 09:26 |
| w00t | special: wow | 09:54 |
| w00t | i approve of the history layout. | 09:54 |
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| w00t | (http://dl.dropbox.com/u/62378322/12070030.jpg) | 10:03 |
| w00t | special: one thought, should C also clear the history? | 10:03 |
| w00t | special: submitted your changes to qmlgallery, btw, keep an eye on https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/5246 | 10:05 |
| Sage_ | w00t: NEMO#123 not N#123 in .changes :) | 10:08 |
| Sage_ | N is too close NB and we want to keep it different | 10:09 |
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| w00t | Sage_: bleagh, ok, can I just remember that for the future, or do you want to resubmit? :) | 10:09 |
| Sage_ | guess ;) | 10:10 |
| w00t | I don't know how evil you're feeling today ;) | 10:10 |
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| Stskeeps | last part | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:11 |
| * Sage_ is having a bad day | 10:11 | |
| w00t | uh-oh | 10:11 |
| w00t | :P | 10:11 |
| Sage_ | if I get n900 to boot my day gets better but I'm not seeing that happening | 10:12 |
| w00t | :/ | 10:13 |
| w00t | what'd you do to it? | 10:13 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: boot.mount entered to failed state on n900 during boot :/ | 10:13 |
| Sage_ | turned a bit down the debug output (debug->info) and can get some feeling what is happening | 10:13 |
| Sage_ | wtf is "unit boot.mount" | 10:16 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5246 Rejected promotion request | 10:16 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5247 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5247 | 10:20 |
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| Sage_ | systemd-187/units/emergency.service.in:20:ExecStart=-/sbin/sulogin | 10:21 |
| Sage_ | err... we don't have /sbin/sulogin so emergency shell doesn't work :D | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | remember the meego diff i showed? | 10:21 |
| faenil | morning | 10:22 |
| w00t | hey faenil | 10:22 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: was tired but yes | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok, there's something about that there | 10:22 |
| * Sage_ checks | 10:22 | |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: you mean about sulogin? | 10:23 |
| * w00t waits for qmlcalc upgrade to build... | 10:23 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes | 10:23 |
| Sage_ | well, there is but the /sbin/sulogin was still called in meego and we don't have that binary | 10:24 |
| w00t | cool, I broke osc | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | util-linux? | 10:25 |
| Sage_ | sysvinit tools has that in f17 | 10:25 |
| faenil | w00t, have you checked the new qmlgallery pinching? | 10:25 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: maybe, need to check | 10:26 |
| w00t | faenil: yes | 10:26 |
| faenil | w00t, ok | 10:26 |
| faenil | w00t, I still have to check it out | 10:27 |
| w00t | feel free, i didn't know if you had time to handle stuff nowdays | 10:27 |
| w00t | i filed a few more bugs, as well | 10:27 |
| faenil | w00t, oh he just rewrote some lines with simpler expressions | 10:28 |
| faenil | I thought he had changed the algo :) | 10:28 |
| w00t | it makes a surprising difference, give it a shot | 10:28 |
| faenil | does it? :O | 10:28 |
| w00t | butter smooth now, except on the edge of an image, but that's not entirely surprising as it tries to center the image while pinching | 10:29 |
| faenil | w00t, I don't, but I'm keeping an eye because I'll start working on it from next week | 10:29 |
| faenil | w00t, mmm, have to try it... | 10:29 |
| alterego | w00t!!!! http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/voicecall/12070013.mp4 | 10:30 |
| w00t | alterego: is that the tones? I saw that earlier :) | 10:30 |
| w00t | very nice! | 10:30 |
| alterego | Yeah :) | 10:30 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5248 Rejected promotion request | 10:31 |
| w00t | alterego: we should look into dialer API at some point btw | 10:31 |
| w00t | as I need to make calls :) | 10:32 |
| alterego | dial(provider, number) | 10:32 |
| alterego | You'll also want to get a list of providers | 10:32 |
| alterego | skype, ofono, etc. | 10:32 |
| w00t | mmm | 10:32 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: not in released version yet apparently | 10:32 |
| w00t | it might be worthwhile looking at what harmattan provides, too | 10:32 |
| w00t | if we can be compatible there easily with no real cost, that'd be nice (easier to port apps) | 10:33 |
| alterego | api wise? | 10:33 |
| w00t | yes | 10:33 |
| alterego | Sure, sounds good. | 10:33 |
| alterego | I also need api for bringing up contact card | 10:33 |
| w00t | I'm not at that stage yet | 10:33 |
| w00t | so far, it's QML-only | 10:33 |
| w00t | but soon | 10:33 |
| w00t | have you installed it yet? | 10:34 |
| alterego | Is it on latest nemo? | 10:34 |
| w00t | not yet | 10:35 |
| w00t | I'll probably submit today | 10:35 |
| w00t | had to iron out a few more bugs before I was happy, and I need to figure out the provides/obsoletes stuff Sage_ wanted | 10:35 |
| alterego | Cool, dialer isn't ready for mass-market yet. There's some serious issues with pulseaudio. | 10:35 |
| w00t | this isn't what I'd call ready for the mass market either ;> | 10:35 |
| alterego | I don't know how, but it looks like when dialer is started by xdg, it has a weird way of kill pa :/ | 10:35 |
| w00t | but it's at least not as butt-ugly as meego-handset-people | 10:36 |
| alterego | Which some may argue is the most polished of the meego handset reference apps ;) | 10:36 |
| faenil | w00t, https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=231 | 10:36 |
| alterego | I can't imagine what it was like implementing this stuff with meegotouch .. | 10:36 |
| alterego | QML makes everything so nice and easy .. | 10:36 |
| faenil | w00t, I remember that one, iirc (still haven't looked into the code) it should be about ContentX being modified | 10:37 |
| faenil | like contentX = -5000 | 10:37 |
| faenil | makes the image shift | 10:37 |
| w00t | faenil: it's certainly entertaining ;) | 10:37 |
| faenil | that's why you see other images :) | 10:37 |
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| faenil | w00t, I've always known about that :) but thanks for reporting, so we can manage it :) | 10:37 |
| w00t | faenil: yes, I like to track everything | 10:38 |
| faenil | w00t, :) | 10:38 |
| w00t | that way nothing gets forgotten, and if someone (like special) has some spare time to help, load gets shared | 10:38 |
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| faenil | w00t, it's only a matter of resetting everything when a rotation is detected, as all image viewers do | 10:38 |
| faenil | w00t, yeah :) thanks special ! | 10:38 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5249 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/5249 | 10:38 |
| * Sage_ ponders how mean he is to w00t today ;) | 10:40 | |
| faenil | w00t, I'm looking forward to having some spare time...but for now, got to go, exam on monday, and another of tuesday (which I'm probably going to skip because of lack of time) | 10:40 |
| w00t | Sage_: :( | 10:40 |
| faenil | cya later peopl | 10:40 |
| w00t | what did I do now | 10:40 |
| rcg | faenil: max. success for your exams :) | 10:41 |
| faenil | rcg, thanks :) | 10:41 |
| Sage_ | well, it is ok now as we don't parse the changelogs atm. with anything really. But Should be "- Fixes NEMO#123: ...." not "- Fixes: NEMO#123 -" | 10:41 |
| faenil | rcg, oh and we have something to do too :P | 10:41 |
| Sage_ | w00t: I'll let this pass :) | 10:41 |
| w00t | Sage_: blame that on harmattan conventions ;) | 10:41 |
| * rcg quickly hides behind a pile of things to do | 10:42 | |
| rcg | ;) | 10:42 |
| w00t | rcg: nah, too late! come fix nemo bugs :) | 10:43 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5249 Accepted promotion request | 10:45 |
| w00t | \o/ | 10:46 |
| alterego | w00t: what do you think of this then: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/voicecall/voicecall-20120721-114552.png | 10:47 |
| w00t | Sage_: and 5247? | 10:47 |
| alterego | I'm thinking of having a left-handed and right-handed operation setting. Which changes the position of that green button ;) | 10:47 |
| alterego | Or not, really you'd need to work out what hand the user is holding the phone it. | 10:47 |
| w00t | I think I'd just center it, but other than that, looks fantastic | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: is it themed with qml components or how is the setup? | 10:48 |
| w00t | I don't think there'd be much of components there | 10:48 |
| alterego | Stskeeps: inverse blanco qt-components and some things are custom plain qml components, like the text entry. and the number pad buttons. | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:48 |
| w00t | yeah.. | 10:48 |
| alterego | The call button is a qt-component Button with "positive" action | 10:49 |
| w00t | alterego: look at the calculator Display if you haven't already btw, it has autoresizing text which you might find handy | 10:49 |
| alterego | So we need some images done for nemo theme to cater for new dialer. | 10:49 |
| Sage_ | w00t: accepted | 10:49 |
| alterego | w00t: already did, thanks for the code ;) | 10:49 |
| alterego | I actually use it in several places too. | 10:49 |
| w00t | Sage_: kiitos | 10:49 |
| alterego | I use it for the number here: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/voicecall/voicecall-20120720-084713.png | 10:50 |
| alterego | So it doesn't get too big. | 10:50 |
| w00t | *nod* | 10:51 |
| w00t | alterego: http://qtl.me/cc.png :) | 10:53 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#5247 Accepted promotion request | 10:53 |
| alterego | Where did you get my number from?! | 10:54 |
| w00t | hehe | 10:54 |
| alterego | Stskeeps ?! I told you not to give out my number :P | 10:54 |
| w00t | I still love Stskeeps's avatar looking like borat on my phone.. | 10:54 |
| w00t | :P | 10:54 |
| alterego | w00t: to integrate with dialer, I have libvoicedial, which provides QML safe QObjects and models to use in QML | 10:55 |
| alterego | I'm going to create a libvoicecall-declarative-plugin | 10:55 |
| alterego | Which will hopefully make things even better. | 10:55 |
| ZogG_laptop | on second screenshot number is small while buttons are huge, but looks nice | 10:56 |
| alterego | So you'd do something like: VoiceCallManager.providers => ['ofono-/n95000', 'telepathy-gtalk', 'skype'] | 10:57 |
| w00t | I have stuff I need to split into plugins, too | 10:57 |
| alterego | Then when the click the specific button for skype, tele, or ofono call. You just do VoiceCallManager.dial(providerId, msisdn); | 10:57 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: you're trying to press the buttons, you're not trying to press the number | 10:58 |
| alterego | And my code will do the rest. What would be really neat, is if we could make dialer, after ending call, go back to the previous display of contacts. | 10:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: you can make the button big but to look small =) | 10:58 |
| w00t | I'm not sure it'll stay like that, though, that only got finished ~yesterday | 10:58 |
| alterego | I'd really like that flow and consistence. | 10:58 |
| alterego | ~consistency .. | 10:58 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw is it possible to build UI seperately? | 10:59 |
| ZogG_laptop | without nemo? | 10:59 |
| w00t | alterego: maybe, but basics like "make it dial" first :) | 10:59 |
| alterego | I guess that is better implemented in the compositor. | 10:59 |
| alterego | When window hidden, show last window, if no last window, show home. | 11:00 |
| w00t | one thing I think we are going to have to figure out pretty soon, btw, is how to handle multiple windows | 11:00 |
| alterego | How do you mean? | 11:01 |
| w00t | QML1 doesn't make that easy | 11:01 |
| alterego | You you mean multiple QML Declarative Views for one application? | 11:01 |
| w00t | though it can be done, special (and others) came up with a neat hack for it | 11:01 |
| w00t | but I never saw it applied to mobile components | 11:01 |
| w00t | more or less | 11:01 |
| alterego | I think I experimented with that a while back, but it was borked. | 11:02 |
| alterego | Actually, no, I did get it to work .. | 11:02 |
| alterego | I wrote a window that when -debug was supplied it'd open up a javascript command interpreter that would talk to the main instance :) | 11:02 |
| w00t | there's a much easier way :p | 11:03 |
| w00t | anyway | 11:03 |
| w00t | no need to cross that bridge prematurely | 11:03 |
| w00t | plenty to do already :) | 11:04 |
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| rcg | w00t: ;) no bug squashing for me today, though | 11:14 |
| rcg | but it's tempting for sure :) | 11:14 |
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| w00t | can I persuade someone to test a package for me? | 11:28 |
| w00t | it doesn't work locally but I have no idea why, I think my device might be kind of busted for it somehow | 11:28 |
| w00t | iekku: :) | 11:28 |
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| cristi | is nemo able to run the Qt-based UI on top of a framebuffer device, or does it need X11? | 11:31 |
| w00t | for now, it's fairly safe to assume it needs x11 | 11:34 |
| w00t | in the longer run, i'd like to see us using a wayland compositor instead of mcompositor | 11:35 |
| w00t | but we have bigger fish to fry first | 11:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: i heard the work on wayland in progress | 11:38 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: well, yes, i'm one of the people writing compositors :) i just don't expect it to be ready anytime soon, and i'd rather see some of the basic apps improved first | 11:38 |
| w00t | but that's coming together.. like alterego's dialer work, and my contacts stuff | 11:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: good :) | 11:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: and my question earlier, can i build nemo's UI on top of other platforms except mer? | 11:39 |
| w00t | anything is possible with sufficient duct tape, glue, and blood/sweat/tears | 11:40 |
| w00t | I do question *why* you'd want to do that, but nothing's stopping you | 11:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: i'm trying to run gentoo on n950 =P | 11:42 |
| w00t | that sounds slightly masochistic, but fun :) | 11:43 |
| cristi | w00t: I'm interested in running nemo on my rasPi, but the hardware adaptation is only providing framebuffer drivers | 11:43 |
| w00t | cristi: well, there would be quite a bit of work | 11:44 |
| cristi | and I have no idea how would X11 or wayland work on top of this framebuffer-only adaptation | 11:44 |
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| w00t | people have gotten wayland running on the pi | 11:45 |
| cristi | I will look it up | 11:45 |
| w00t | I don't know the specifics of the how/with what, because I don't have one, so I haven't looked into it | 11:45 |
| w00t | but I imagine it's with Qt 5 for starters | 11:45 |
| w00t | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HItv4HX5r3k | 11:46 |
| cristi | but qt5 can work directly on top of /dev/fb0 | 11:46 |
| w00t | yeah | 11:46 |
| w00t | the "quite a bit of work" I mentioned in our context would be I guess to figure out how to jam wayland into Qt 4.8's QPA, get that building inside mer somehow, write a compositor (presumably on top of qt5) to replace mcompositor (x11 window manager) and meegotouch-home (the homescreen), and run apps using -platform wayland and pray it all works somehow :) | 11:48 |
| w00t | but YMMV, that's just off the top of my head how I'd think of approaching it | 11:48 |
| cristi | yeah | 11:48 |
| cristi | seems a lot | 11:48 |
| cristi | does Nemo need 4.8? | 11:49 |
| w00t | yeah.. unfortunately all our MW/apps are still 4.8 based | 11:49 |
| w00t | and I'm not sure I see that changing - at least in large parts - for a while yet | 11:49 |
| cristi | I thought qt5 is backwards compatible with 4.x, and that apps most of the time only need a recompile, isn't this the case? | 11:50 |
| w00t | there's a lot of nasty details that aren't covered in the marketing :) | 11:50 |
| cristi | heh | 11:50 |
| w00t | it might not be too painful for a lot of apps | 11:51 |
| w00t | the homescreen will be an issue, it makes use of shared X pixmaps in QPixmap, and I'm not certain they exist anymore now there's only raster left alive | 11:52 |
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| w00t | but we'll replace that when we do eventually make the jump I guess | 11:52 |
| faenil | w00t, heard that Stskeeps fixed the tearing? | 11:52 |
| w00t | faenil: yes, he did | 11:52 |
| faenil | w00t, :) | 11:53 |
| w00t | feels a lot better now.. | 11:53 |
| faenil | :) | 11:54 |
| w00t | faenil: going to try it? :) | 11:54 |
| faenil | w00t, already tried it one or 2 days ago :) when he fixed it I guess :D | 11:55 |
| faenil | w00t, though harmattan stopped working since I installed latest nemo... | 11:56 |
| faenil | what do you suggest checking? | 11:56 |
| w00t | that's fine, what more do you need? :) | 11:56 |
| faenil | w00t, working battery level? :D | 11:56 |
| w00t | there is a bug for that, seems a bit involved | 11:56 |
| faenil | yes, I already talked to rcg | 11:57 |
| w00t | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53 | 11:57 |
| faenil | Stskeeps yesterday said libbme should be working on the n950... | 11:57 |
| faenil | w00t, yeah I'm already informed about it :) | 11:57 |
| w00t | well, if we have a plugin that can talk to bme, then the problem is probably just that we're not using it | 11:58 |
| w00t | that bug talks about upower.. | 11:58 |
| faenil | w00t, yeah I didn't understand that... | 11:59 |
| faenil | I thought veskuh already tried easier solutions | 11:59 |
| * w00t eyes contextkit-maemo-battery-rx51-bin | 12:02 | |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: do you know anything about this situation? | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | just build contextkit-maemo-battery against libbme | 12:07 |
| w00t | I can only find a -rx51-bin package | 12:08 |
| w00t | and it looks awfully like it isn't intended to build from source | 12:08 |
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| w00t | libbme is also in n900_libbme, so I'm wondering if there would be differences.. | 12:12 |
| w00t | I suppose there's only one way to find out.. | 12:12 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: do you know if there's existing packaging for libbme anywhere? | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | not afaik | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | libbme is a open source libbmeipc | 12:16 |
| w00t | ok | 12:16 |
| w00t | (that I had figured out) | 12:17 |
| w00t | unngh. | 12:17 |
| faenil | how can I troubleshoot harmattan's booting issue? | 12:17 |
| faenil | it doesn't boot since I installed latest nemo | 12:17 |
| * w00t wonders how to package autohell stuff | 12:17 | |
| w00t | don't knowq | 12:20 |
| w00t | you didn't just overwrite it, right? :) | 12:20 |
| faenil | no way :D | 12:20 |
| faenil | I just wrote on Alt_OS | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: %configure ? | 12:21 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: yeah.. looked at libresource ;) | 12:21 |
| w00t | where should this go? CE:Adaptation:N950-N9? | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:23 |
| w00t | well. | 12:30 |
| w00t | packaging was easier than I expected | 12:30 |
| w00t | :) | 12:30 |
| w00t | do .pc files go into the devel package? (afair yes) | 12:37 |
| phaeron | yes | 12:37 |
| w00t | thanks | 12:37 |
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| faenil | how can I read harmattan's logs if I can just boot into nemo? | 12:40 |
| faenil | I could also reflash harmattan | 12:42 |
| faenil | but I could end up having the same problem ... | 12:43 |
| faenil | once I've installed nemo | 12:43 |
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| faenil | YESS | 12:58 |
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| faenil | got it booting, thank to an old conversation I had with marquiz_ :D | 12:58 |
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| w00t | what was the problem? | 12:59 |
| faenil | marquiz wrote "i guess my hunch was correct, the device thought it was in charging/actdead state and shutdown because no charger was present" | 12:59 |
| faenil | so you basically have to switch it on, let moslo load | 12:59 |
| faenil | then select harmattan with VolumeUp | 12:59 |
| faenil | and then | 13:00 |
| faenil | plug the charger in | 13:00 |
| faenil | it will show the charging screen | 13:00 |
| faenil | and if you try to switch it on at that time, it will load harmattan :) | 13:00 |
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| faenil | this should definitely be put in the faq :) | 13:01 |
| faenil | or did you all already know that issue? | 13:02 |
| w00t | I didn't, but then, I don't dual boot | 13:03 |
| w00t | feel free to add it if you think it's useful | 13:03 |
| faenil | I will ;) | 13:04 |
| faenil | marquiz_, if you have more details about that charging thing, please let me know ;) | 13:07 |
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| ZogG_laptop | w00t: on what step moslo repartiting internal flash drive? i want to make it bigger | 13:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | 3 GiBs is not enuf for me | 13:12 |
| ZogG_laptop | or can i change the size from inside harmattan/nemo ? | 13:13 |
| w00t | not sure, sorry | 13:14 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: *cringe* | 13:16 |
| w00t | I think we're going to have issues building in CE:Adaptation:N950-N9 | 13:16 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: you can telnet into moslo when it shows you on the display; alternatively, boot the rescue kernel | 13:17 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: that i know, can i resize from inside or i need to delete and make fresh partitions? | 13:18 |
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| ZogG_laptop | aard_: i mean by "that i know" is i got you till here, as i did it several times for other reasons =) | 13:19 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: the rescue kernel exports the whole mmc as block device -> you can change the partitions from your host system, and therefore resize it, given you have the appropriate programs installed | 13:19 |
| aard_ | you _should_ be able to do some rezising from inside moslo as well, though the rescue kernel is a bit more comfortable | 13:20 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: what apps exactly resize? e2fsprogs? resize2fs ? | 13:20 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: fdisk, parted, ... for the partitions, and then something to resize the filesystems | 13:21 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: but fdisk is to create partitions isn't it? | 13:21 |
| aard_ | if you don't have data there I'd just go for delete/create, though, but be careful to create the moslo partition with the correct id, otherwise moslo will repartition on next boot | 13:21 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: yes, you first need to shrink filesystems on volumes you want to shrink, then resize partitions, and then adjust filesystem sizes to the new layout | 13:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: btw can i do it from inside harmattan if i have enuf rights? (turned aegis to passive mode and hae all or almost all rights) | 13:22 |
| aard_ | I doubt harmattan has the tools. with the tools present in theory it should be possible | 13:23 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: i just probably will go for deleting one of /home partitions, as i have one for /home and one for /home/user/MyDocs | 13:23 |
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| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: doing that will break harmattan functionality | 13:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | pitty N950 has small hard drive comparing to my N9, but i do not experiment on N9, as well as i think there is problem on getting moslo on N9 | 13:24 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: why would it break? i still will have MyDocs as dir | 13:25 |
| aard_ | you can flash a moslo-kernel on n9. which you should not do unless you don't care about harmattan much | 13:25 |
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| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: you won't have usb mass storage after that | 13:25 |
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| ZogG_laptop | aard_: i do care, i use N9 as main phone and now got n950 to play with =) | 13:25 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: and another thing that might break -- all applications have been only tested to operate on a data storage without access control in place. it's less likely to break, but not impossible | 13:27 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: hmmm, i need to check it, as maybe there is a way to have whole /home as mass storage and have it ext4 without journaling or somethign | 13:27 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: no, because the volume needs to be unmounted to be exported as mass storage. you'll never be able to umount the complete home | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hope one day vendors realize that fat32 is not way to go and make option and would look into ext4 | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: didn't htought of that =) | 13:28 |
| aard_ | if you do mass storage fat is the only option | 13:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: because of win users? | 13:29 |
| aard_ | win and os-x | 13:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | i personally can mount ext in win7, but it needs some apps | 13:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | it may be included with device drivers =P | 13:30 |
| aard_ | the point is that you can just plug it into any box and it works | 13:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i hate when windows leading those things with old technology | 13:30 |
| aard_ | apart from that, even between linux users you'll run into troubles with different uids between systems. | 13:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | hmmm. i had few usb-flashes and i used ext2 on them | 13:31 |
| aard_ | usb memory stick is different than phone exporting the filesystem -- for phone exporting the filesystem you already have at least 2 different systems with potentially different uids writing on it | 13:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | as i was tierd of fat32 problem of 4gb max size for file, and as i switched from fat32 i went to ext2 as linux user and not ntfs | 13:32 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: so the problem is that as phone will mount with uid blahblah and box will mount it as uid blahblah2 ? | 13:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | but if i use same flshusb on different systems, isn't it the same case? | 13:34 |
| aard_ | yes, but your phone will do funny things when you put files with funny permissions there | 13:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: so there si option to chown everytime but with huge partition and a lot of files it takes times right? | 13:35 |
| aard_ | yes | 13:35 |
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| ZogG_laptop | hmm, there should be standart uid for something like guest or nouser on all systems | 13:36 |
| aard_ | in real life, if you don't want to go for fat you should go for mtp. which makes a lot of things on the device easier anyway, mass storage export is one big ugly hack | 13:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | and a way to mark partition to use it on automount | 13:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: mtp? | 13:36 |
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| aard_ | media transfer protocol. protocol to copy stuff from/to your device | 13:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: isn't it used in iphone? | 13:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | or something similuar | 13:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | when u can transfer only with specific app | 13:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | e.g. itunes | 13:38 |
| dm8tbr | no | 13:38 |
| dm8tbr | mtp is standardized | 13:38 |
| dm8tbr | linux support exist | 13:38 |
| dm8tbr | s | 13:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i mean if i use mtp and i plug device to usb | 13:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | would i see it as partition on box or i need app or something? | 13:39 |
| aard_ | no, you'll have to use an mtp application to use it | 13:39 |
| dm8tbr | there are ways to mount it like a filesystem | 13:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | that's why it's no go as well =\ | 13:39 |
| aard_ | there's an mtp-fuse, so using that you could mount it | 13:39 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: wait 1-2 years, and no phone will support mass storage anymore | 13:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | yeah but it wouldn't be just plugin thing | 13:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: why do you think so? | 13:40 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: because of what I just explained | 13:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | mass storage is actually cool and usefull and simple in use (not simple in realization though as we can see) | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | btw: there are patches for the linux kernel to mount ext* and ignore permissions | 13:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: permissions or mtp? | 13:41 |
| ZogG_laptop | what about exFat btw than? | 13:42 |
| dm8tbr | those patches were btw written for exactly mobile devices because of owner and permission problems | 13:42 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: a) fat is the only option for mass storage unless you only care about a handful of users b) fat is crap, and does not scale with large partition sizes b) mass storage is a big problem to implement on device side (for example, you need to make sure all applications close files before you can export), and mtp works -> going for mtp is the only sane option | 13:43 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: how long does mtp exists? | 13:44 |
| * dm8tbr agrees with aard | 13:44 | |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: and again what about exFat or how it is called, the new fat standart | 13:44 |
| Stskeeps | mtp is a good way around exfat | 13:44 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: that would only solve problem b), it would still suck in implementation, and would still exclude most of the users | 13:45 |
| dm8tbr | mtp is a good option and linux support exists | 13:45 |
| ZogG_laptop | but you know that better solution/standart is not always the one most used | 13:46 |
| dm8tbr | including making it appear like a filesystem | 13:46 |
| dm8tbr | standar& | 13:46 |
| dm8tbr | standarD | 13:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | dm8tbr: it's stand-art =) art you making while standing =P | 13:46 |
| ZogG_laptop | dm8tbr: dyslexia and russian are kicking out of me most times | 13:47 |
| dm8tbr | k | 13:47 |
| aard_ | ZogG_laptop: android is currently phasing out mass storage support, because they learned the hard way that it is crap | 13:48 |
| ZogG_laptop | because of MS | 13:49 |
| aard_ | what? | 13:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | i'm probably misteken | 13:50 |
| aard_ | no, it's crap because of all the implementation issues on the device | 13:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | but i think i saw somewhere that it's one of the reasons they pay to MS | 13:50 |
| aard_ | plus, with all the application data on vfat there's no way to protect ones application data from acces from another application | 13:51 |
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| w00t | Sage_: was it you who was complaining about gestures being too sensitive? | 14:21 |
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| Stskeeps | on exo, they are/were | 14:24 |
| w00t | they are on n950 too, to me | 14:25 |
| w00t | anyway, I'm looking into that | 14:25 |
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| w00t | or would be.. except uxlaunch doesn't seem to want to restart | 14:27 |
| alterego | Shouldn't raise() make the app present itself in front of everything else? | 14:28 |
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| alterego | All I'm getting is it showing in task switcher :/ | 14:28 |
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| * alterego wonders if MWindow had some extra magic .. | 14:28 | |
| w00t | you probably want activateWindow, but make sure to note the docs warning about this being entirely up to the window manager.. | 14:29 |
| w00t | (i.e. good luck with that) | 14:29 |
| alterego | Already using that, doesn't work :P | 14:30 |
| * alterego checks the wonderful X11 hack that the previous dialer did. | 14:30 | |
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| alterego | Hmm, that dialer didn't do it either thinking about it. | 14:35 |
| alterego | And can't find much of anything in the code :/ | 14:35 |
| w00t | uh-oh, i screwed up the ux and now i lost ssh | 14:36 |
| w00t | :P | 14:36 |
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| w00t | anyone want to try gestures with these patches and give feedback? | 15:20 |
| * w00t is almost happy with it, now | 15:20 | |
| w00t | anyone? :-) | 15:26 |
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| aard_ | w00t: which patches? | 15:53 |
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| w00t | damn.. nemo has no page up button in the terminal, who hilighted me? | 16:28 |
| jonwil | <aard_> w00t: which patches? | 16:29 |
| w00t | aard_: fixing sensitivity issues basically | 16:31 |
| aard_ | you need pgup for 2 lines? ;) | 16:32 |
| w00t | with vkb open, i did | 16:33 |
| aard_ | haha | 16:33 |
| w00t | i have long irssi formats so | 16:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | aard_: dm8tbr i went out quickly, sorry. wanted to tell thanks for explanation earlier | 16:49 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: why don't u use irc chatter =) | 16:50 |
| w00t | ZogG_laptop: I do, sometimes, but that doesn't help for backlog on my main client | 16:50 |
| ZogG_laptop | w00t: make extra keyboard for virtual kbd | 16:51 |
| w00t | hmm? | 16:53 |
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| special | https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59034791/20120721-195453.png | 16:59 |
| special | my first batch of UI changes to qmlgallery; any thoughts? | 16:59 |
| w00t | hmm, I like the seperation between the images | 17:02 |
| special | the thumbnail size is adjusted based on width to minimize unused space (and keep thumbnails around 160px each); the one downside is that the size can change with orientation | 17:02 |
| special | https://github.com/special/qmlgallery/commit/ee72f1cc337e0351588dec88a3e50909848ee985 if you're curious | 17:02 |
| w00t | I think the toolbar could do with a little transparency | 17:03 |
| w00t | changing size is slightly unfortunate | 17:04 |
| w00t | I'm not sure how that could be done better though | 17:04 |
| special | the commit message mentions a way to handle that | 17:04 |
| faenil | special, hi! thanks for the fixes ;) | 17:04 |
| special | you could decide it based on portrait (or, based on startup orientation) and then just distribute the space between items instead of letting it bulk up at the right | 17:05 |
| special | so landscape might get more spacing between items, but they'd remain the same size and still fill the entire row | 17:05 |
| w00t | is that easy to try? | 17:05 |
| special | should be | 17:06 |
| special | on n950 in landscape, I think it it adds 10px and puts 6 per row | 17:06 |
| w00t | I think I'd prefer that to having potentially multiple thumbnailed sizes.. since those won't share cache etc etc | 17:07 |
| special | ~2px extra between every item | 17:07 |
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| w00t | faenil: open source in action, huh? :) | 17:07 |
| special | faenil: hi, and thanks for suffering through pinch/flick so I didn't have to :p | 17:07 |
| dm8tbr | ZogG_laptop: np | 17:08 |
| w00t | faenil: seen the new landscape calculator history too? http://qtl.me/20110210-013438.png | 17:10 |
| faenil | w00t, :) | 17:15 |
| faenil | special, oh, you can feel me ^^ | 17:15 |
| faenil | w00t, eh :D did you do that? :) | 17:16 |
| w00t | no, special did | 17:16 |
| faenil | oh, great :) | 17:16 |
| special | w00t: gallery doesn't look as good with significant padding (it's using about 10px in landscape) | 17:17 |
| special | I could minimize that a bit more | 17:17 |
| faenil | special, I still have to understand how you solved the jittering though, haven't looked into the code yet, but I was almost sure I had tried everything... | 17:17 |
| special | faenil: the trick is that onPinchUpdated is before the PinchArea scale.target has been updated, I think | 17:17 |
| faenil | special, what about using a thumbnailSize which is ok for both portrait and landscape? :) | 17:17 |
| special | so all of the contentWidth/Height and contentX/Y were being changed too soon | 17:17 |
| special | doing them in a binding on the scale makes sure they happen at the appropriate moment | 17:18 |
| faenil | I see :) need to give it a deeper look, don't remember much atm :) | 17:18 |
| faenil | anyway, for the thumbnail, it shouldn't be hard to find something which fits portrait and landscape | 17:19 |
| special | let's see | 17:19 |
| w00t | that's true, different sizes might be better suited | 17:19 |
| special | I can try calculating it based on either portrait or landscape, whichever results in less padding overall | 17:20 |
| w00t | that's neat | 17:21 |
| w00t | did you try toolbar opacity, btw? | 17:21 |
| special | not yet | 17:21 |
| faenil | special, that's what I meant | 17:21 |
| faenil | what's the resolution? | 17:21 |
| faenil | I mean like a mcm | 17:22 |
| faenil | choose a size which is ok for 2-4images in portrait, 4-6 in landscape, without changing the padding :) | 17:22 |
| special | if the padding isn't changed, all of the excess ends up on the right edge instead | 17:23 |
| faenil | there shouldn't be excess if the correct thumbnailSize is chosen... | 17:23 |
| faenil | :) | 17:23 |
| special | there will be, unless your window dimensions happen to be perfectly divisble by the thumbnail size | 17:24 |
| w00t | special: an alternative is to not change sourceSize, but just stretch it a little to fit | 17:25 |
| faenil | special, that's why you have to change the thumbnail size :P | 17:25 |
| w00t | afair the thumb provider works off sourceSize.. so that would work | 17:25 |
| special | I might be able to get something that ends up passable in both orientations, but it won't be quite as good as changing the size of the images | 17:26 |
| w00t | special: just set width/height and be done with it I think :) | 17:27 |
| w00t | provided that won't request new thumbs it should work fine enough | 17:27 |
| faenil | yeah | 17:27 |
| faenil | just stretched thumbnails | 17:27 |
| faenil | (a lil bit) | 17:27 |
| special | upscaled, not even stretched (fortunately) | 17:27 |
| special | since it's always square | 17:27 |
| w00t | *nod* | 17:27 |
| faenil | aha | 17:27 |
| faenil | wrong term ;) | 17:28 |
| special | that'll do | 17:29 |
| special | it might hurt performance a *little*, because it involves scaling the images in the UI, but scaling at such small resolutions is very cheap | 17:29 |
| w00t | yeah, and well, one orientation will still be perfect | 17:30 |
| special | should it be? | 17:31 |
| special | (I was just going to set it to always request at 160x160, because the thumbnail size will always be <= 160x160) | 17:31 |
| special | (then it never has to upscale, only downscale) | 17:31 |
| w00t | I trust you to know what is best :) | 17:31 |
| special | my eye for smooth scrolling isn't quite as good as yours, but it seems fine | 17:32 |
| w00t | well, I'll let swaplogger tell me if there's a problem there :-P | 17:32 |
| w00t | but some scaling should be fine | 17:33 |
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| faenil | smoothness is 80% of the task imho :D I only care about that XD | 17:35 |
| w00t | faenil: now, that's not entirely true! you still use harmattan ;) | 17:36 |
| faenil | wait, I use Lumia800 as my main phone :P | 17:36 |
| faenil | I use the n950 for developing :D | 17:36 |
| faenil | just for that reason :P | 17:37 |
| w00t | shaaaame, shaaaaaame ;) | 17:37 |
| faenil | ahahaha :D knew you would have said that :) | 17:37 |
| faenil | I've got like the whole #harmattan channel against me :D | 17:38 |
| faenil | but as you said, harmattan isn't smooth :D | 17:38 |
| special | I use a lumia too :p | 17:38 |
| faenil | special, phew, thanks man, just in time ^_^ | 17:38 |
| * faenil yells "shaaame" to special xD | 17:39 | |
| w00t | both of you need to start using Nemo! :) | 17:39 |
| faenil | w00t, I'm spending my spare on nemo, can't do more :) | 17:39 |
| w00t | thankfully, I think we are actually slowly getting to the point where that is almost considerable :) | 17:39 |
| faenil | I'm also sending the cv to jolla :D | 17:39 |
| faenil | w00t, good to know :) | 17:40 |
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| faenil | I replaced "professional work" with "community work" in my cv XD | 17:41 |
| faenil | hope they'll still appreciate xD | 17:41 |
| special | https://github.com/special/qmlgallery/commit/f4564b64b5560bb4c20acd4975e60973742d7d04 updated | 17:41 |
| w00t | special: better | 17:42 |
| * special considers getting out of bed | 17:42 | |
| faenil | ahah | 17:43 |
| faenil | I have to go, friends waiting at the canteen :) | 17:43 |
| faenil | cya later or tomorrow guys :) | 17:43 |
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| ZogG_laptop | special: getting out of bed is over rated | 17:54 |
| special | w00t: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/59034791/20120721-205540.png now with transparency | 17:58 |
| special | (it's very dark there, but looks good on device) | 17:58 |
| w00t | yeah, think I'd need to see it | 17:58 |
| w00t | I imagine it will be nom | 17:58 |
| special | any thoughts on what would be useful in that toolbar *now*? I have a few ideas, but they require more implementation. | 18:00 |
| w00t | right now, is, um, tricky | 18:01 |
| special | I'd like to keep it, because the animation between pages is ruined if the toolbar has to transition away. | 18:01 |
| w00t | mhm | 18:01 |
| w00t | I'd probably like to keep it for something vaguely taggy/albummy related, but as you say, all of that requires implementation | 18:03 |
| special | I was considering sorting/grouping | 18:03 |
| w00t | ah, though we could have a delete action fairly easily | 18:03 |
| special | mm, no | 18:04 |
| special | that would go in a long-press menu, not a toolbar, no? | 18:04 |
| special | or are you imagining a "delete mode" where you enter it and hit the things you want to delete | 18:04 |
| w00t | single item delete: long press, multi-item delete: toolbar menu | 18:04 |
| special | hmm | 18:04 |
| w00t | so yes | 18:04 |
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| w00t | but you don't necessarily need to implement that right away, i'm happy with the toolbar hanging around as a bit of a sticking out thumb until then, because a) we will need it anyway, b) what you have there already looks great | 18:05 |
| special | that wouldn't be especially hard, except for the actual deleting. That requires going outside of QML. | 18:05 |
| special | unless DocumentGalleryModel implements it | 18:06 |
| w00t | probably not. | 18:06 |
| special | (it also probably requries faking that the item is actually gone until the model and mobility figure it out) | 18:07 |
| w00t | I am actually surprised that ContactModel's save/delete stuff actually seems to a) work and b) work reasonably well/fast | 18:08 |
| w00t | special: so anyway, i'd just go with what you have for the first merge, and decide what you want to do next | 18:12 |
| special | k. | 18:13 |
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| faenil | back :) | 18:32 |
| w00t | wb | 18:59 |
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| faenil | w00t, got anything about of bme? | 21:24 |
| w00t | we'll see | 21:24 |
| faenil | :) there's still hope in you, Luke | 21:24 |
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| * w00t is mildly shocked that that built | 21:49 | |
| faenil | :D | 21:50 |
| faenil | I'm very tired :) | 21:50 |
| w00t | I need to get this on device first | 21:50 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: well.. I think I got something out of it: http://qtl.me/o0s.txt | 22:06 |
| * w00t really hopes reply.temp isn't in centigrade | 22:07 | |
| w00t | also annoying that libbme has zero documentation about this stuff, like, state 3 - great, now what the flying monkey god is state.. | 22:11 |
| * w00t unplugs and notes it goes to state 2 | 22:11 | |
| phaeron | I wonder what's state 1 and 0 :D | 22:16 |
| w00t | yeaaaah. | 22:19 |
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| faenil | w00t, so it seems you got it ! :) | 22:56 |
| faenil | temp is in F° | 22:56 |
| faenil | 301 = 31 | 22:56 |
| w00t | no, kelvin, according to the docs | 22:57 |
| faenil | mm no | 22:57 |
| faenil | yeah | 22:57 |
| faenil | can't be F° | 22:57 |
| w00t | the problem is that I don't see anything really useful in that reply | 22:57 |
| faenil | it would be 149 C° | 22:57 |
| faenil | :D | 22:57 |
| w00t | at least, not unless I can find someone who can decipher the undocumented parts | 22:57 |
| faenil | yea... | 22:58 |
| faenil | I'm too tired...be back tomorrow ;) | 22:58 |
| faenil | 1am here... | 22:58 |
| faenil | cya tomorrow, and good luck, if you'll still be here playing with it ;) | 22:58 |
| faenil | w00t, is that readValues the only interesting method you can call? | 23:00 |
| w00t | I wrote that method :) | 23:01 |
| faenil | oh ok lol | 23:01 |
| faenil | can I see the code? | 23:01 |
| w00t | yes, sec | 23:01 |
| faenil | sure | 23:01 |
| faenil | (my eyes are closing, passion keeps me alive xD) | 23:02 |
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| w00t | http://qtl.me/0001-rip-out-bmeipc_eopen-notification.patch | 23:04 |
| faenil | w00t, from you code it seems those are all the info you can get from bme | 23:08 |
| faenil | did you also write bme_send_get_reply? | 23:08 |
| w00t | no, that's part of libbme | 23:09 |
| faenil | ok | 23:09 |
| w00t | there is either a magic code for reading this stuff somehow (and I "just" need to figure it out) or there is a way to get bme to tell you more and I "just" need to figure that out | 23:10 |
| faenil | :D | 23:11 |
| faenil | but there should be already the n900 alternative in the code... | 23:11 |
| faenil | how does it work on the n900? where does it get the rest from? | 23:12 |
| w00t | pretty sure that's more or less a gigantic closed blob | 23:12 |
| faenil | oh...I see... | 23:12 |
| faenil | so there's no working "open" libbme atm? | 23:12 |
| faenil | for any device? | 23:12 |
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| w00t | libbme works | 23:13 |
| w00t | I just don't know how to interpret what it's telling me | 23:13 |
| faenil | oh, I thought you already knew the meaning of the fields you printed | 23:13 |
| faenil | but you wanted more | 23:13 |
| w00t | I know the name, not what their values mean (in most cases) | 23:14 |
| faenil | if you don't know the meaning of flags I have an idea | 23:14 |
| faenil | the gauge chip | 23:14 |
| w00t | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_libbme/blobs/master/include/bmemsg.h#line97 <- that's everything I know | 23:14 |
| faenil | yeah seen that | 23:14 |
| faenil | all we need is in "flags" imho | 23:15 |
| faenil | let me get the doc of the gauge chip | 23:15 |
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| faenil | w00t, it should be something like this | 23:16 |
| faenil | http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/bq27520-g3.pdf | 23:16 |
| faenil | page 10 | 23:16 |
| faenil | w00t, this could be a useless info, but don't know if you noted that there's the explanation of states too | 23:21 |
| faenil | in the same file | 23:21 |
| faenil | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_libbme/blobs/856c347e99bde192d28394c2c9028c538e0fb9e7/include/bmemsg.h#line57 | 23:21 |
| faenil | I'm telling because I read you saying you didn't find doc about the "state" thing | 23:21 |
| w00t | battery types match, but nothing else there makes sense | 23:21 |
| faenil | sorry http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_libbme/blobs/856c347e99bde192d28394c2c9028c538e0fb9e7/include/bmemsg.h#line70 | 23:21 |
| faenil | I see... | 23:22 |
| w00t | e.g. I was seeing state 2 with no charger plugged in, going by that enum, it's "charging state on", which is completely wrong | 23:22 |
| faenil | they must be getting all the info in flags imho anyway | 23:22 |
| faenil | flags is 32bits there, we should read that pdf page 10 | 23:23 |
| faenil | delete all the things that are already included in the struct (like voltage etc) | 23:23 |
| faenil | and see if the rest can fit in 32 bits | 23:23 |
| faenil | rcg, could get the info at page 10 with i2cget | 23:25 |
| faenil | just some linking of values/meanings was missing | 23:25 |
| faenil | anyway, I have to go to bed, my battery is state 0 | 23:26 |
| faenil | :D | 23:26 |
| faenil | good night! | 23:26 |
| w00t | night | 23:27 |
| faenil | and gl! | 23:27 |
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