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Sage_ | morning | 07:14 |
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Stskeeps | morn Sage_ | 07:14 |
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iekku | it's time to remove my personal stuff from computers | 07:36 |
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Sage_ | iekku: oh, you too? :) | 07:38 |
Stskeeps | point, a lot of stuff to move to archive | 07:39 |
iekku | Sage_, yes :) | 07:40 |
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Stskeeps | good morning veskuh | 07:44 |
veskuh | Good morning, Stskeeps | 07:44 |
mikhas | moin | 07:45 |
Stskeeps | veskuh: any wrap up things needed for this month? for next week i'll be hosting the status meeting at least, to keep things alive | 07:46 |
Stskeeps | next week(s) | 07:46 |
veskuh | Stskeeps: I have been thinking about that, but I don't think anything special is needed. | 07:47 |
Stskeeps | alright | 07:47 |
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Stskeeps | veskuh: i'd like to say thanks for good management in this last part, i feel we really have gotten somewhere with Nemo, much improved since we started - and enough momentum to continue properly | 07:51 |
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jukkaeklund | veskuh, stskeeps +1 ! | 07:52 |
veskuh | Stskeeps: Thanks. I also feel happy about what achieved here together and I really appreciate the good work you and Sage, and all the contributors have done. | 07:52 |
jukkaeklund | so whats changing, feeling like goodbyes here? | 07:53 |
veskuh | Last day of feb. so after today no more Nokia sponsoring. | 07:53 |
jukkaeklund | right | 07:54 |
jukkaeklund | will you be around still? | 07:54 |
iekku | +1 for Stskeeps | 07:54 |
Stskeeps | i'll personally be around, at least, in Mer and Nemo | 07:54 |
* jukkaeklund happy to see other companies stepping up | 07:54 | |
veskuh | jukkaeklund: I'll be around but my focus will be on my CV :) | 07:55 |
Stskeeps | i'm not sure if recommendations are suitable from subcontractors, but let me know if you need one :) | 07:55 |
jukkaeklund | veskuh, right. you know what I can offer, and if not lets meet.. | 07:55 |
jukkaeklund | I think recommendations on the scope of open work are good anyway, right companies will value those | 07:56 |
Stskeeps | yeah, it's the kind of recommendations where you can actually understand and see what the person did | 07:56 |
w00t | you guys had better _not_ go anywhere ;P | 07:57 |
* w00t would get all lonely | 07:57 | |
jukkaeklund | blogging stuff is good.. | 07:59 |
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* Sage_ doesn't go anywhere from Nemo or Mer even though the Nokia Sponsoring is ending. | 08:03 | |
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* jukkaeklund is sponsored by a new team | 08:09 | |
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* timoph is around for the fun of it when time allows | 08:10 | |
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w00t | Sage_: \o/ | 08:10 |
w00t | timoph: +1 | 08:10 |
niqt | seems a funeral ;( | 08:11 |
Stskeeps | on the contrary | 08:12 |
jukkaeklund | nah | 08:12 |
veskuh | New beginnings are needed once in a while :) | 08:12 |
jukkaeklund | getting philophical.. Mer is a great new beginning, and I would like to see something similar for Nemo | 08:12 |
Paimen | Le Roi est mort, vive le Roi | 08:12 |
jukkaeklund | not that nemo wouldn't be great progress, don't get me wrong | 08:13 |
timoph | define similar | 08:13 |
timoph | I didn't get it :/ | 08:14 |
jukkaeklund | yeah, like a new start | 08:15 |
jukkaeklund | in practice, a new UI would be something | 08:15 |
niqt | there will be 'a new project? I'm not understanding | 08:15 |
Sage_ | niqt: whos? | 08:15 |
jukkaeklund | or some vendor coming up with a product :) | 08:16 |
* Sage_ thinks this got a bit missunderstood | 08:16 | |
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jukkaeklund | ..or Nemo getting in multiple devices, like N9 properly | 08:16 |
jukkaeklund | yeah, it got.. | 08:16 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Roadmap | 08:17 |
Stskeeps | all very good plans there as well | 08:17 |
jukkaeklund | yes it is | 08:17 |
jukkaeklund | some of the dreams coming true.. | 08:17 |
Stskeeps | w00t: what needs to be done to make lipstick saner? | 08:18 |
niqt | Sage_: I misunderstood. sorry. | 08:18 |
veskuh | Stskeeps: hmm. that needs updates as Photos was already replaced :) Nice to see plans come to reality :) | 08:18 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 08:18 |
Stskeeps | we already have phonegap support starting (thanks to jukkaeklund) as well | 08:19 |
w00t | Stskeeps: splitting everything related to actual presentation to plugins is the #1 item | 08:20 |
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w00t | and probably actually making a decent default.. | 08:20 |
w00t | :P | 08:20 |
* jukkaeklund likes this discussion about lipstick | 08:20 | |
niqt | w00t: want you my qmlcalendar still? | 08:21 |
w00t | niqt: of course we do | 08:21 |
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w00t | new apps are always good | 08:21 |
Stskeeps | w00t: anything i can do to speed it along? | 08:22 |
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w00t | Stskeeps: clone me, or alternatively, help tackle the good default I guess, and I'll smack the plugins around.. I'll tentatively say I can try throw some time at that today/tonight | 08:22 |
Stskeeps | ok | 08:22 |
w00t | coming up with a concept of how it should feel/act would be good i guess | 08:23 |
Stskeeps | generally a toolkit that's useful for experimentation | 08:24 |
Stskeeps | ie, something you can couple together with a photoshop qml output | 08:24 |
* timoph could contribute something to lipstick | 08:27 | |
timoph | w00t: where are you hosting the code for it? | 08:29 |
w00t | Stskeeps: i mean how our plugin should feel/act | 08:29 |
w00t | timoph: sec | 08:29 |
w00t | github.com/nemomobile/lipstick | 08:29 |
timoph | thanks | 08:29 |
Stskeeps | w00t: use qml compositor as a reference, perhaps | 08:29 |
w00t | Stskeeps: their examples are pretty ..bare | 08:30 |
Stskeeps | yes | 08:31 |
jukkaeklund | I'll ask if friend designer could give some input to the UX | 08:32 |
jukkaeklund | is there a demo I can try? | 08:34 |
jukkaeklund | on top of current release | 08:34 |
w00t | I don't know... Sage_: did you keep it somewhere? | 08:37 |
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timoph | hmmh. can't run lipstick in a virtual machine :( | 08:43 |
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w00t | timoph: you should be able to? | 08:43 |
timoph | "QGLShaderProgram: shader programs are not supported" and then segfaults | 08:44 |
w00t | grep for QGLWidget or opengl and comment it out, should be a single line, probably in main.cpp if memory serves | 08:44 |
veskuh | w00t: how about using raster engine? | 08:45 |
Stskeeps | lipstick won't work well in virtual machine right now | 08:45 |
w00t | veskuh: that's what i just suggested | 08:45 |
Stskeeps | i think | 08:45 |
w00t | Stskeeps: it will if it doesn't try use opengl.. it won't be blinding fast, but well, for development purposes that's ok | 08:45 |
Stskeeps | ok | 08:46 |
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timoph | yeah. works now. just needed not to set the gl viewport | 08:48 |
timoph | hmmh. I need to change to something else than ubuntu | 08:50 |
* w00t uses fedora nowdays | 08:51 | |
Sage_ | w00t: hmmp... | 08:53 |
Sage_ | because search doesn't work in cobs not sure :D | 08:53 |
Sage_ | I have it in one repo | 08:55 |
Sage_ | just a moment I'll push it worward | 08:56 |
Sage_ | forward | 08:56 |
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Sage_ | jukkaeklund: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=CE%3AUX%3Alipstick | 09:19 |
Sage_ | w00t: ^ | 09:20 |
jukkaeklund | will try once it buids, thanks | 09:20 |
w00t | ta | 09:20 |
jukkaeklund | install and run, how? | 09:22 |
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w00t | jukkaeklund: install should be straightforward.. testing a little less so, you'll need to hack whatever part of nemo starts up meegotouchhome (I seem to remember it's like /etc/xdg/autostart/ somewhere) to start lipstick instead, then killall uxlaunch and hopefully it'll work | 09:25 |
jukkaeklund | so that instead of meegotouchhome | 09:26 |
w00t | yes | 09:27 |
jukkaeklund | k | 09:27 |
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jukkaeklund | btw, modem seems to work in my N950 | 09:32 |
jukkaeklund | thing is meego-pinquery works randomly in boot | 09:33 |
Stskeeps | yeah, there's a bug open against me for that | 09:33 |
jukkaeklund | yep | 09:33 |
Stskeeps | i can't yet figure out wtf is going on | 09:33 |
jukkaeklund | can imagine is not fun.. | 09:33 |
veskuh | It also works randomily after boot. Sometimes I need to run it 2-3 times from command line before it allows me to enter pin | 09:36 |
jukkaeklund | yeah | 09:37 |
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stroughtonsmith | jukkaeklund: did you try out alexey's zimage? | 09:43 |
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jukkaeklund | <stroughtonsmith, yea it doesn't boot | 09:52 |
stroughtonsmith | on a 1.2 device ? or 1.1 | 09:52 |
jukkaeklund | N9 with PR1.2 | 09:52 |
stroughtonsmith | makes sense, you'd need all the modules for 1.1 | 09:53 |
stroughtonsmith | I don't have a 1.1 device left to try it on :( | 09:53 |
stroughtonsmith | would have been easy to get it pointed to a ramdisk and a loopback image | 09:53 |
rantom | Downgrading to 1.1=impossible/≠not impossible but very, very hard? | 09:55 |
Stskeeps | impossible | 09:55 |
rantom | Darn | 09:56 |
rantom | Hardware prevention? | 09:56 |
Stskeeps | for instance | 09:56 |
rantom | Well that sucks. | 09:58 |
jukkaeklund | yes, unless one has RD proto | 10:02 |
veskuh | Some downgrades do not work even on those without a talk with protoguys | 10:03 |
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rantom | How much would there be a need for PR 1.1(.1?) equipped N9? | 10:04 |
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jukkaeklund | w00t, where is the lipstick to start? | 10:13 |
w00t | jukkaeklund: ? | 10:14 |
jukkaeklund | like, how to launch it? | 10:15 |
Stskeeps | you have to edit /etc/xdg/autostart/meegotouch-home.desktop proably | 10:15 |
jukkaeklund | just start /usr/bin/lipstick? | 10:16 |
Stskeeps | edit it to start /usr/bin/lipstick | 10:16 |
Stskeeps | it replaces the homescren | 10:16 |
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jukkaeklund | can see lipstick :) | 10:18 |
slaine | yay | 10:22 |
slaine | record it and put up on youtube/vimeo | 10:22 |
jukkaeklund | nah.. | 10:22 |
slaine | hehe | 10:22 |
jukkaeklund | I am a bit against showing work in progress | 10:22 |
jukkaeklund | or, I will not do it myself.. | 10:22 |
jukkaeklund | too much of a marketing experience.. :p | 10:23 |
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slaine | Was wondering if I could use nitroid as a base for a port of b2g to n9xx | 10:24 |
w00t | there's already a video of that online, i'm pretty sure | 10:25 |
slaine | seems plausible | 10:25 |
* w00t took one when he was last working on it | 10:25 | |
Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 10:25 |
slaine | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuS00aA8QyM | 10:25 |
slaine | damn, too slow | 10:25 |
jukkaeklund | slaine, why not mer? | 10:25 |
w00t | other people: around so i don't have to google | 10:26 |
w00t | \o/ | 10:26 |
slaine | jukkaeklund: just curious | 10:26 |
Stskeeps | jukkaeklund: b2g is fairly tied to their gonk stuff right now, i think | 10:26 |
Stskeeps | system wise | 10:26 |
Stskeeps | gonk == android hac | 10:26 |
Stskeeps | k | 10:26 |
slaine | nod | 10:27 |
jukkaeklund | ah right :/ | 10:28 |
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Venemo_N950 | hi | 10:49 |
Venemo_N950 | jukkaeklund, ping | 10:49 |
jukkaeklund | hi | 10:55 |
* jukkaeklund multitasking, sorry.. | 10:55 | |
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jukkaeklund | Venemo_N950, wassup? | 11:02 |
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Venemo_N950 | np | 11:13 |
Venemo_N950 | jukkaeklund, can I ask you to add a bugzilla entry for IRC Chatter into the Nemo bugzilla? | 11:14 |
jukkaeklund | I can't add I think.. | 11:14 |
jukkaeklund | stskeeps, who manages bz? | 11:20 |
w00t | iekku | 11:20 |
iekku | :D | 11:21 |
Stskeeps | me/iekku | 11:21 |
iekku | hello everybody! | 11:21 |
iekku | Venemo_N950, there's one for IRC Client | 11:22 |
iekku | "Bugs for IRC Chatter etc." | 11:22 |
Sage_ | iekku: :nod: | 11:22 |
Sage_ | IRC client | 11:22 |
iekku | Venemo_N950, you are even cc for those | 11:23 |
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veskuh | Venemo_N950: See: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/describecomponents.cgi?product=Applications | 11:27 |
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jukkaeklund | ah good | 11:33 |
jukkaeklund | w00t, right so I am wondering how much work is bringing lipstick UI to a demo level, comparing to tweaking current home | 11:34 |
jukkaeklund | considering also localization etc that needs to be there eventually.. | 11:35 |
w00t | jukkaeklund: current home is mtf-based, so, it's not trivial to modify (as we don't have many experts with those skills) and also not really a long-term plan | 11:37 |
jukkaeklund | yeah | 11:38 |
w00t | if i had time to work on it (which i'll try make a bit for, but i'm always stretched in free time) and some form of a design to aim for, then i could probably get pretty good results out of it within 1-2 weeks i think, 3 tops, it shouldn't really be that hard | 11:40 |
Venemo_N950 | aww, thx iekku :) | 11:40 |
w00t | (that's going from what is there now to something i'd judge as finished) | 11:40 |
Venemo_N950 | jukkaeklund, w00t, I'm wanting to work on a lipstick-based ui | 11:41 |
rantom | Does the irc-client support connecting to an existing connection (irssi-shell?) | 11:42 |
Venemo_N950 | just haven't started yet, I haven't had much free time in the past two months | 11:42 |
Venemo_N950 | rantom, nope | 11:42 |
rantom | Venemo_N950: Ok, so I'll use Terminal if need for one.. | 11:42 |
Venemo_N950 | rantom, it'd be easy to implement :) | 11:43 |
rantom | I'd be glad to see it implemented and spread outside of Nemo | 11:43 |
rantom | There's only one application, if I recall right, in Ovi Store for N9 that supports that and that'd be FingerTerm. But that's enough offtopic from me, sorry | 11:43 |
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jukkaeklund | w00t, thanks | 11:52 |
jukkaeklund | I will try to get at least some kind of idea of design? | 11:53 |
w00t | sounds good | 11:53 |
jukkaeklund | I have a designer sitting with me here, but for him its also managing the free time.. | 11:53 |
w00t | :) | 11:53 |
Stskeeps | w00t: what's best first steps? make a qml design with stubs? | 11:53 |
w00t | Stskeeps: i can work off anything from a stub to a psd/layered image, cut images, whatever | 11:54 |
jukkaeklund | imo, shouldn't to be too afraid to start with the good stuff that harmattan has | 11:54 |
w00t | the important thing is just knowing what to do | 11:54 |
Stskeeps | w00t: i meant in case someone wants to do a qml design | 11:54 |
w00t | jukkaeklund: yesss... but i'm a little wary of taking too much inspiration from them :-P | 11:55 |
w00t | Stskeeps: ah, then yes | 11:55 |
w00t | stub is a good way to start, then we just wire it up to the live models etc and it Just Works | 11:55 |
slaine | ship it | 11:57 |
jukkaeklund | w00t, well we have swipe gesture already, add some kind of events feed.. | 11:58 |
jukkaeklund | mobile UIs all look much the same.. | 11:58 |
w00t | i was looking at an oss twitter client yesterday, actually, might be portable to nemo with some effort | 11:58 |
w00t | need to get to that at some point.. | 11:58 |
jukkaeklund | whats wrong with twimgo? | 11:59 |
w00t | (just re: events) | 11:59 |
jukkaeklund | it's not oss right.. | 11:59 |
w00t | i don't actually know | 11:59 |
w00t | i had forgotten about it :P | 11:59 |
veskuh | jukkaeklund: twimgo is open | 11:59 |
veskuh | (the development may happen a bit behind closed doors as it is essentially one man project) | 12:00 |
veskuh | QNeptunea would also be interesting, I think it is also OSS | 12:00 |
w00t | that's the one i was looking at | 12:00 |
w00t | :) | 12:00 |
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veskuh | I have seen many people praising it on Harmattan | 12:01 |
jukkaeklund | yep | 12:08 |
jukkaeklund | if it's OSS, great | 12:08 |
veskuh | jukkaeklund: it is: https://gitorious.org/qneptunea | 12:09 |
jukkaeklund | cool | 12:10 |
jukkaeklund | looked like it doesnt have all the same problems I have with built-in app.. | 12:10 |
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w00t | which are? | 12:15 |
jukkaeklund | general slowness.. | 12:16 |
jukkaeklund | seeing "app not responding" | 12:16 |
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w00t | ah | 12:17 |
w00t | are you using 1.2? it seems a hell of a lot faster there to me | 12:17 |
jukkaeklund | yes, I am | 12:17 |
veskuh | jukkaeklund: your huge follower list slows you down :) | 12:18 |
jukkaeklund | might be.. | 12:18 |
w00t | yuck, their panning speed is horrible | 12:19 |
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the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4439 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4439 | 15:25 |
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timoph | jukkaeklund: o/ | 15:27 |
jukkaeklund | yea? | 15:28 |
jukkaeklund | timoph.. | 15:28 |
timoph | just waiving :) | 15:29 |
jukkaeklund | ok.. | 15:30 |
jukkaeklund | since you waved, you deserve a question: devaamo Y-tunnus, any progress? | 15:31 |
timoph | no | 15:32 |
jukkaeklund | can I help? | 15:32 |
jukkaeklund | like, bribe the officials.. no, just kidding this is not ..... | 15:33 |
timoph | hmmh. | 15:33 |
timoph | that actually should be already processed | 15:33 |
timoph | they're now processing things submitted 2/2012 | 15:34 |
timoph | nope. prh search doesn't find it so not processed yet | 15:36 |
jukkaeklund | ok | 15:36 |
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faenil | anyone online? | 21:05 |
Stskeeps | mm | 21:06 |
Stskeeps | though sleepy | 21:06 |
faenil | mm ok :) | 21:07 |
faenil | any feature request for the gallery? | 21:07 |
faenil | bug ? | 21:07 |
faenil | or dunno, critics.. | 21:07 |
faenil | I haven't received anything yet :P I guess none has used it so far xD | 21:07 |
w00t | i have, i haven' had ime o repor bugs ye | 21:19 |
w00t | inser some ttttts ino my wriing manually, as my keyboard is broken | 21:20 |
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Stskeeps | tttts.. tits? | 21:20 |
Stskeeps | :P | 21:20 |
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faenil | ahahaha | 21:26 |
matrixx | :] | 21:26 |
Stskeeps | w00t without ability to type 't' is always fun | 21:27 |
faenil | xD | 21:27 |
matrixx | sounds irish | 21:27 |
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matrixx | hmm.. or a pirate :D | 21:28 |
w00t | indeed | 21:28 |
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w00t | i have a replacement keyboard now, but it sucks | 21:28 |
matrixx | my mouse wheel runs sticky, I accidentally some juice on it :( | 21:29 |
faenil | lol | 21:30 |
faenil | w00t: I want a chance to get the playbook, would you test my thesis on your playbook tomorrow? :D | 21:33 |
w00t | faenil: not tomorrow, sorry | 21:33 |
faenil | aaaaargh XD | 21:33 |
faenil | tomorrow is the last day to send apps xD | 21:33 |
w00t | I have a client phonecall, a metric shedload of paperwork to do that I forgot even existed, and I have to leave at 3pm to go to trondheim (and won't be back until late), so it's going to be a busy day | 21:33 |
w00t | afaik it's march 2nd, isn't it? | 21:34 |
faenil | 2nd included? | 21:34 |
w00t | All vendors (new and existing) now have until 11:59 PM EST on March 2, 2012 | 21:34 |
faenil | mmm good, thanks :) | 21:34 |
w00t | but their simulator is pretty good, btw, so if it works in there you'll probably be fine | 21:35 |
faenil | w00t: bingo, the fact is, does the simulator simulate GLES2 too? :) | 21:35 |
w00t | and also, what matters is the date of submission, not if it works the first try | 21:35 |
faenil | coz Android emu doesn't | 21:35 |
matrixx | it emulates gl, no prop | 21:36 |
matrixx | *prob | 21:36 |
matrixx | I sent my app without testing on real device :D | 21:36 |
faenil | well if it runs GL ES 2.0, I'm done :) | 21:37 |
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matrixx | at least it runs 1.1, haven't tested 2.0 | 21:40 |
faenil | okay, thanks :) | 21:41 |
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faenil | much better than Android, where I've spent most of the time deploying to the tablet to test it :) | 21:41 |
matrixx | I was also surprised bu the goodness of the sim | 21:44 |
matrixx | *by | 21:44 |
faenil | ok thanks for the info :) downloading ndk and simulator atm ;D | 21:49 |
faenil | but gtg... | 21:49 |
faenil | cya tomorrow guys | 21:49 |
faenil | w00t: if you let me have a list of things that I should add to the qmlgallery, I could find 1 hour tomorrow before release ;) | 21:49 |
w00t | faenil: make the bar in large image view autohide | 21:50 |
w00t | until you tap on it | 21:50 |
w00t | and re-autohide some 2-3s afterwards if there's no activity | 21:50 |
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faenil | ok | 21:51 |
w00t | and, maybe, make it black | 21:51 |
faenil | send more if you have to the email I have sent you via pm | 21:51 |
faenil | got to run now | 21:51 |
w00t | cya | 21:51 |
faenil | cya | 21:51 |
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