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| Sage_ | morning | 07:13 |
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| Stskeeps | morn Sage_ | 07:13 |
| Sage_ | the next target isn't available yet? | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | we got a bit delayed but at least we have OBS packages now | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | we first sanity test it on the 'new' cobs, then main cobs | 07:17 |
| Sage_ | ok, just asking because wandering what should I start next in order of priority | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | got your new libxi for current core? | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | we need to see if it breaks nemo | 07:18 |
| Sage_ | uploaded intltool update to review btw. Packaged during weekend but didn't have the sshkey there so didn't upload | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:18 |
| Sage_ | I can test the libXi now | 07:19 |
| Sage_ | and do you mean the version 1.4.x that is in mer or the 1.5.0 that I have in review? | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | both, ideally | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | i need to see if they regress things | 07:19 |
| Sage_ | I have 1.5.0 available for current core at least | 07:20 |
| ildar | Hi, guys. Sorry to interrupt you. I've tried x86 image in qemu. It booted, but not UX. I think that's because some Xorg drivers weren't built. Is it possible to fix? | 07:21 |
| ildar | I think qemu image is a good demo for the work you do. | 07:21 |
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| Stskeeps | ildar: want to try out an image with llvmpipe? | 07:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: the 1.4.x that is in mer has regression at least I tested that in last release it was the gestures that went bad | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | old image | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes, does it disappear with 1.5.0? | 07:21 |
| Sage_ | testing now | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | ildar: old version, bu try http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/meego-nemo-handset-i586-testing-0.20111128.3.CE.2011-12-01.2-1.2.90.20111212.1054.iso | 07:22 |
| ildar | Stskeeps: want to try any working image with UX on qemu | 07:22 |
| Stskeeps | use qemu-kvm ideally | 07:22 |
| ildar | surely | 07:22 |
| ildar | thanx. Do you know the reason UX not working in KVM? | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | ildar: long story short because the graphics drivers aren't software rendering | 07:23 |
| ildar | well, do you mean UX needs GL accel? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | and with llvmpipe this is fast software rendering | 07:24 |
| ildar | I guess kvm does 2d well | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, probably | 07:24 |
| ildar | does it work on patched qemu (qemu+3d) ? | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't experimented with that | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | it would need to support opengl es API | 07:25 |
| ildar | IC | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | if you have the ability, you can try that out | 07:25 |
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| ildar | ok | 07:27 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: 1.5.0 that is in review doesn't have regressions at least | 07:28 |
| Sage_ | at least the 100% cpu usage is gone that was with 1.4.x version | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | so that'll probably be an expected regression in first core | 07:29 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes, as it was there last time and it was rollback | 07:32 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:32 |
| ildar | Stskeeps: thanx a lot. I'll try it out. I guess this kind of info is worth having on WIKI. I'll manage to put it there when have something working on my PC | 07:33 |
| Stskeeps | bug triage was when today? 5 minutes? | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | veskuh_n9_: should we start bug triage or wait until you're at your desk? | 08:01 |
| veskuh_n9_ | two mins | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:02 |
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| ildar | Stskeeps: Success here. one last question: how do I determine llvmpipe images? | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | ildar: you don't, this was an experimental image i made | 08:42 |
| ildar | GREAT | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | i hope to move mer to default working on llvmpipe | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | does it work? | 08:43 |
| ildar | works great | 08:43 |
| ildar | truly good demo of what the Nemo is for newcomres | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | how much performance do you see? | 08:45 |
| ildar | well, not bad at least | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | cat /proc/cpuinfo on your pc? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | if you enable SMP | 08:47 |
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| ildar | did it already | 08:48 |
| ildar | -smp 2 -m 1024M :) | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | because it can multithread to go faster | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | for rendering | 08:48 |
| ildar | but 1024M sounds too much :) | 08:48 |
| ildar | I guess 512 should be enough | 08:49 |
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| ildar | I'll notify you when the page will be ready | 08:59 |
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| Sicelo | quick question: does stuff/hardware that worked under Meego also work under nemo mobile for N900? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | define stuff/hardware | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | morn slaine | 09:25 |
| slaine | morning | 09:25 |
| slaine | how'd the SDK weekend go ? | 09:25 |
| Sicelo | well, i'm more interested in gprs/3g | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | Sicelo: there's a bug in gprs right now, i think | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: quite well, ask lbt in #mer :) | 09:26 |
| Sicelo | ok. thanks for info Stskeeps | 09:26 |
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| slaine | oops, thought I was in #mer | 09:27 |
| Sicelo | kernel modules and firmware are same as on MeeGo? or Nokia didn't permit use of some of them? | 09:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Sicelo: if it was in meego it's in nemo | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | Sicelo: it was pushed to meego with redistributable permission | 09:29 |
| veskuh | Sicelo: There was regression in gprs because of newer version of connman, next version of connman should fix it. | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: so no visible regression in gestures with libxi 1.5.0? | 09:31 |
| veskuh | Sicelo: this is the bug about grps: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10 | 09:32 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: I can't see any at least | 09:33 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: but not sure if something changes when it causes rebuild | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | we'll have to see | 09:33 |
| Sage_ | but at least the 1.4.3 with rebuilds had regressions | 09:33 |
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| Sicelo | thanks :) | 09:44 |
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| Sage_ | is twimgo working for you guys? | 11:30 |
| Sage_ | I'm getting: ERROR: Twitter API returned 0 0 on URL https://api.twitter.com/1/help/test.json.. | 11:31 |
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| Sage_ | hmmp... our qt-components is version 1.0gitX and latest is 1.3gitX | 11:36 |
| dcthang | Sage_: Does this ring a bell for u? https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=103 | 11:44 |
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| Sage_ | dcthang: not much, I didn't work on that but I recall that there were issues :/ | 11:45 |
| dcthang | I guess it's about codec issues | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: sounds like a task bug | 11:46 |
| ildar | Stskeeps: I want to refer you in WIKI. How do I call you there? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | just say stskeeps | 11:48 |
| ildar | ok | 11:48 |
| * Sage_ ponders if we should go along with the harmattan upstream (currently pr1.3) or stick with older pr1.2 branch in nemo | 11:50 | |
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| Sage_ | do we have any reason not to go along with the latest MTF upstream? There is already tags for harmattan pr1.3 related stuff. | 11:52 |
| veskuh | I guess not. Only thing would be if it would break something, but we do not know before we try. | 11:55 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: does twimgo work for you? | 11:56 |
| veskuh | I tested it with latest release and yes it did work. I'll re-try soon. Is your date&time correct? | 11:57 |
| Sage_ | no date and time is not correct | 11:58 |
| Sage_ | that causes problems? | 11:58 |
| veskuh | Probably SSL is not working if date&time is incorrect | 11:58 |
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| veskuh | and thus twimgo login would fail | 11:58 |
| veskuh | Yep, twimgo is still working for me | 12:01 |
| Sage_ | ok, after date it works fine | 12:01 |
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| ildar | Stskeeps: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out | 12:07 |
| ildar | Plz check some notes of mine. | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | we can probably fix those up a bit | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | but thanks for the QEMU notes | 12:08 |
| ildar | ;) | 12:08 |
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| ildar | one more thing... | 12:08 |
| ildar | what do you think of making Cordia preview image of the kind? | 12:09 |
| ildar | or should I go ask someone else? | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | a bit outside my area, i take on llvmpipe during this week | 12:09 |
| Sage_ | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=twimgo&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3ACE%3AApps <- fix for NEMO#98 | 12:10 |
| ildar | wow | 12:10 |
| ildar | nice | 12:10 |
| veskuh | Sage_: that did not take long :) | 12:10 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: it should have? :) | 12:10 |
| veskuh | Sage_: Its nice when easy fix really is easy fix :) | 12:11 |
| Sage_ | if someone could test that on something else than N900 that would be nice | 12:11 |
| veskuh | Sage_: yep, i'll test on n950 | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: on thursday, should we schedule some time to create mesa package for intel adaptations, as mer switches to an llvmpipe based one? | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | so we need to have those able to coexist/replace eachother | 12:12 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: Thursday, any reason for the date? | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: that's when i can see i reasonably have a mesa llvmpipe package ready for integration | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | and verification | 12:12 |
| Stskeeps | can be friday too, for that matter | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | i just don't want to break accel on x86 :( | 12:13 |
| Stskeeps | er, :) | 12:13 |
| damnshock | hey guys, do you know if there's any email client in nemomobile/mer yet? | 12:14 |
| * Sage_ ponders why this monday seems to productive day. | 12:15 | |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4342 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4342 | 12:15 |
| veskuh | damnshock: No there isnt. Would be really nice to get one. | 12:15 |
| veskuh | other thing that many have asked is filemanager | 12:15 |
| damnshock | I've seen some trojita developement again, at least commitwise | 12:16 |
| damnshock | well, to me the email app is a must have | 12:17 |
| damnshock | othwerise I would probably be using nemomobile full time :D | 12:17 |
| w00t | veskuh: i wonder if any of the n9 filemanager apps are oss | 12:22 |
| veskuh | w00t: yep, I guess there are quite many. one of them must be open source. | 12:23 |
| w00t | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=75726 is the one I use | 12:24 |
| Sage_ | w00t: I'm using the same one | 12:25 |
| Sage_ | closed source though :/ | 12:25 |
| w00t | hmm.. i could always write to the guy :P | 12:26 |
| w00t | ~ | 12:26 |
| Sage_ | someone asked it in tmo already and he said no | 12:27 |
| Sage_ | w00t: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1069852&postcount=12 | 12:27 |
| w00t | hmm | 12:27 |
| w00t | he seems to have vanished, too | 12:28 |
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| * faenil is reading the logs to keep up to date with bug triaging | 12:41 | |
| timoph | I tried some open file managers a while ago but all of them would've needed a lot of work | 12:44 |
| timoph | things might have changed though | 12:44 |
| timoph | https://gitorious.org/cuteexplorer | 12:47 |
| timoph | development seems to have stopped | 12:47 |
| matrixx | we could ask tomma if he's still working on it | 12:49 |
| timoph | yep | 12:49 |
| timoph | "make it work - we know where you live" | 12:50 |
| matrixx | timoph: what are the biggest issues left? | 12:50 |
| timoph | can't remember | 12:50 |
| timoph | try it | 12:50 |
| matrixx | I'll try it out in the evening | 12:51 |
| timoph | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=cuteexplorer&project=home%3Atimoph | 12:51 |
| timoph | dunno if it's the latest version | 12:51 |
| matrixx | I have mer currently on exo only :/ | 12:51 |
| timoph | it's build for x86 in there too :) | 12:52 |
| timoph | no escape from it | 12:52 |
| timoph | actually I have nemo on my ideapad so I can try it as well after I get home | 12:53 |
| matrixx | great :) | 12:53 |
| matrixx | last time I checked, the screen didn't stay on in exo so hard to test, but I need to try newer image anyway | 12:54 |
| timoph | I think that's fixed now | 12:55 |
| matrixx | and next saturday jukkaeklund is going to show me how to make it dualboot with harmattan on N950 | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | it works a lot better now | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | it did actually stay on | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | the system just crashed | 12:55 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:55 |
| timoph | :D | 12:55 |
| matrixx | heh | 12:55 |
| faenil | ahahah | 12:57 |
| faenil | matrixx: there's a guide for N950 dualbooting, I'm about to do that this afternoon, if you're on ;) | 12:57 |
| veskuh | Sage_: both orientations work fine on N950. | 12:57 |
| matrixx | faenil: are you running on 1.2? | 12:58 |
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| matrixx | I need to flash 1.2 first, haven't had time to do it yet | 13:00 |
| Sage_ | veskuh: good | 13:01 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4342 Accepted promotion request | 13:04 |
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| faenil | matrixx: sorry I did not read your message...yes I'm on 1.2 | 13:15 |
| matrixx | faenil: ok, I'll update mine to 1.2 too first, then I can take a look at the dualboot with you | 13:15 |
| matrixx | faenil: did you do it with OCF? | 13:15 |
| faenil | yes | 13:16 |
| matrixx | on linux I guess? | 13:16 |
| faenil | yup, 64bit | 13:16 |
| faenil | Ubuntu 12.04 alpha2 | 13:16 |
| matrixx | I have older and 32-bit, but let's see | 13:16 |
| faenil | I think I'll be ready in 3 hours, need to work on the thesis and talk to the professor in a while :) | 13:16 |
| faenil | you should not encounter any problem ;) | 13:16 |
| matrixx | faenil: ok, I think I'm done with my work and flashing in three ours, ping me when you're ready | 13:17 |
| faenil | perfect ;) | 13:17 |
| matrixx | done deal :) | 13:17 |
| faenil | XD | 13:17 |
| faenil | about yaml instead, is there anyone who can teach me how to write such a file or link me to a doc or something? :) or just tell me "look at it and there's no need for any guide" :) | 13:19 |
| faenil | a fuck off is appreciated too XD | 13:20 |
| veskuh | faenil: At least I have copied templete from existing apps | 13:20 |
| faenil | mm, ok :) | 13:20 |
| veskuh | For example this one is for heliumreborn, its qml app built in qt sdk originally, thus I define same flags as Qt SDK would define for harmattan. | 13:22 |
| veskuh | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=heliumreborn.yaml&package=heliumreborn&project=CE%3AApps%3AMTF&srcmd5=25f84f5c2c3474fbeb83f419043841de | 13:22 |
| veskuh | after that run specifify to generate .spec | 13:22 |
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| faenil | and where are those defined in qt sdk files? | 13:24 |
| faenil | the makefile doesn't have them | 13:24 |
| veskuh | Well, the build config defines them automatically it was some platform specification file | 13:25 |
| veskuh | You only need those if you use them | 13:25 |
| veskuh | For helium it uses them since the application stub that qtsdk generates uses them for booster and orientation | 13:25 |
| faenil | yeah I started from qt quick app for harmattan | 13:26 |
| veskuh | if your app has that qmlapplicationviewer folder and still uses it, then you will probably need the same flags as Helium does. | 13:27 |
| veskuh | More minimal yaml would be for example flickr's one: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=flickr-qml.yaml&package=flickr-qml&project=CE%3AApps%3AMTF&srcmd5=0827f883bc3f90109ef993d8b405e3ae | 13:27 |
| faenil | but still, how can I check if I'm including all the needed dependencies? | 13:28 |
| veskuh | Well, I ended up in trial & error. | 13:29 |
| faenil | oh ok ;) | 13:29 |
| faenil | are you using qmlappviewer? because you're not using DEFINE+= HARMATTAN_BOOSTER | 13:30 |
| veskuh | Build files define that | 13:30 |
| veskuh | I think based on MEEGO_EDITION they do it | 13:31 |
| faenil | ok | 13:31 |
| veskuh | line 22 of qmlapplicationviewer.pri does it | 13:31 |
| faenil | yeah I thought you got those defines from that pri | 13:32 |
| faenil | well, I'll just go for trial and error :) | 13:32 |
| * veskuh going to listen Elop | 13:40 | |
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| faenil | wait where where :D live? :D | 13:41 |
| Stskeeps | probably an all hands | 13:41 |
| faenil | I see... | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | it happens often in companies | 13:43 |
| faenil | I love the speeches that man gives :D | 13:45 |
| * Sage_ ponders if xruxa is still active and wants to do more theming for us. | 13:47 | |
| Sage_ | Currently updating our MTF MW packages and saw the theme thingy :/ | 13:47 |
| faenil | ouch | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | theme thingy? | 13:48 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: the "open source" theme that isn't opensource :) | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | the ND thing | 13:49 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 13:49 |
| Sage_ | I have rest of the stuff updated already except theme part for MW | 13:50 |
| Sage_ | also noted that our default theme is quite old | 13:51 |
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| Sage_ | veskuh_n9__: stress test with n9? :) | 13:53 |
| veskuh_n9__ | the network is under heavy load | 13:53 |
| veskuh_n9__ | all of nokia tre is same room | 13:54 |
| Sage_ | ah | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | that has got to be a lot of radiation | 13:54 |
| Sage_ | :P | 13:54 |
| veskuh_n9__ | not healthy amount :) | 13:54 |
| * Sage_ ponders if we should start maintaining two base themes, one that is the LGPL one and one that is the CC BY-ND one | 13:54 | |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: i have doubts we can even package it with ND | 13:55 |
| Sage_ | well that could be :P | 13:55 |
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| Sage_ | lol, the version to which I updated last time wasn't the latest :P | 13:56 |
| Sage_ | updated to 0.24.13 and latest was 0.24.31 :P | 13:56 |
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| Sage_ | someone just had tagged the older release last :P | 13:57 |
| * Sage_ feels stupid | 13:57 | |
| Sage_ | oh, it is monday riiiiight. now I can feel it :) | 14:05 |
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| faenil | I was thinking about making slides for my thesis with qml | 14:22 |
| faenil | is that sane? :D | 14:22 |
| faenil | is there any template, have you ever used it? | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | no, spend time on the content and your talk | 14:22 |
| faenil | ouch :D that was for the wow effect :D | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | wow with words and content, not fancy graphics | 14:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:23 |
| faenil | 4/5 of the professors who will be there won't even understand of what I'm talking about :P | 14:24 |
| faenil | ok then, any advice for presentation systems other than powerpoint? :) | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | don't use OOo | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:26 |
| faenil | what's OOo XD | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | openoffice | 14:26 |
| faenil | oh ok :D | 14:26 |
| faenil | current plan is to make them with Beamer | 14:26 |
| Sage_ | btw, the shutdown time of N900 is quite bad | 14:28 |
| Sage_ | not sure if related to update systemd or something else | 14:28 |
| Sage_ | veskuh_n9__: btw, the new theme doesn't remove the bar from settings at least | 14:31 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: there is actually a pre-prepared QML presentation system | 14:31 |
| w00t | :P | 14:31 |
| w00t | (http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/30/a-qml-presentation-system/) | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: yes, i know | 14:32 |
| Sage_ | veskuh_n9__: nm. wrong theme installed :/ | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: and i'm fairly sure if you have time to do qml presentations, you should have spent more time prepping your talk | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
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| w00t | QML Everywhere™ | 14:33 |
| Sage_ | pah, forgot to push update to obs :P | 14:33 |
| faenil | XD | 14:34 |
| faenil | It's a first level thesis, 3 CFU, something little, it's the porting of an app from iOS Obj-C to Android using Qt :) | 14:35 |
| Sage_ | http://isitmondaynow.com/ | 14:35 |
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| * anYc creates his slides with latex | 14:37 | |
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| faenil | anYc: Beamer? | 14:42 |
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| Sage_ | the new theme version seems to work nicely and at least I haven't noted any missing graphics | 14:52 |
| faenil | yeah! | 14:53 |
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| matrixx | nemo wiki says w34 and 39 will work with moslo, but shouldn't 2012.02 work too? | 16:28 |
| vgrade | http://twitpic.com/8jf3hx | 16:28 |
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| matrixx | nice :) | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: sw rendering? | 16:31 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, yea, not a slide show though | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | interesting | 16:32 |
| vgrade | what can we do with the amlogic gles libs | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | i have a couple of ideas but some other day :) | 16:33 |
| vgrade | np | 16:33 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Do you plan to add kdelibs to nemomobile for default availability ? | 17:52 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv8el&filename=kdelibs-4.8.0%2Bgit20120130.110206-3.2.src.rpm&package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ADevel&repository=MeeGo_1.2_OSS , right hand side implies 'not really' | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | you can always add the PA repos if you want though | 17:54 |
| anYc | maybe it's available for the plasma UI | 17:54 |
| djszapi | kdelibs and plasma ui are different things | 17:55 |
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| anYc | oh okay | 17:57 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, we don't have kdelibs nor do we have gtk, it's already bad enough we have MTF :) | 17:57 |
| djszapi | PA is good as far as apps4meego can get the dependencies from there. | 17:57 |
| djszapi | if not, I would suggest adding it. | 17:57 |
| djszapi | otherwise it makes our life hard (kde app developers). | 17:57 |
| vgrade | djszapi, kdelibs is built against Mer in the Trunk Testing Project of Plasma Active not the Devel Project anymore, https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=kdelibs&project=Project%3AKDE%3ATrunk%3ATesting | 18:02 |
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| djszapi | vgrade: I am not speaking about plasma. I would just like to have kdelibs in a repository where apps4meego can be happy with it. | 18:03 |
| djszapi | otherwise we are not in any better situation than on Harmattan. | 18:04 |
| NsaneCoffe | what size sd card do you recommend for installing nemo on a N900 | 18:04 |
| NsaneCoffe | ? | 18:04 |
| vgrade | djszapi, I'm not following, http://repo.pub.meego.com/Project:/KDE:/Devel/CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl/armv7hl/ repo contains kdelibs package | 18:06 |
| djszapi | vgrade: can apps4meego grab dependencies for my app from that repository ? | 18:07 |
| djszapi | my question is not that whether it is available somewhere. | 18:07 |
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| vgrade | djszapi, ah ok, I don't know how apps4meego works but I would hope it would just be a case of adding the repo | 18:12 |
| djszapi | that is not how currently works afaik. | 18:14 |
| djszapi | a.k.a. it does not handle dependencies from repositories apart from the builtin platform packages. | 18:14 |
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| vgrade | djszapi, ping X-Fade on #mer about https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=apps-client&project=CE%3AApps capabilities | 18:27 |
| matrixx | any pointers, my dualboot installation got into state where it doesn't boot to harmattan anymore? | 18:29 |
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| matrixx | boots fine to nemo, but when I choose harmattan, it will show first nokia log, but after a minute goes to black screen | 18:29 |
| matrixx | *nokia logo | 18:29 |
| djszapi | vgrade: sorry, but nemo is no go for me if kdelibs is rejected | 18:30 |
| djszapi | it is just a library after all. | 18:30 |
| faenil | marquiz, are you online? I'm trying your dualbooting but it's not working here | 18:34 |
| Sage_ | NsaneCoffe: 4G+ | 18:35 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: kdelibs just isn't default part of nemo, there is nothing that prevents it to be included | 18:37 |
| djszapi | this is the answer I somewhat hoped in the beginning, thanks :) | 18:37 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: e.g. ubuntu doesn't ship gnome, kde, xfce, etc. by default but those all are there if needed. We just don't have kdelibs in our repos as we don't have the manpower to maintain those | 18:37 |
| djszapi | if you mean that it is possible to add. | 18:38 |
| djszapi | but some is already maintaining apparently (see link above). | 18:38 |
| djszapi | someone* | 18:38 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: if you are willing to start maintaining those I don't see why now, however those will not be part of the default repos but we can easily add new repo for kdelibs related stuff. | 18:38 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: that is the plasma active team I think | 18:38 |
| djszapi | Sage_: I do not mind which official repo it ends up :) | 18:38 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: :nod: the point mainly is that we don't want to bloat the default repos and images to include kdelibs as that would make our images much larger. But the availability of those is something we could arrange. | 18:40 |
| djszapi | please do not take it offense, but you will lose a lot of manpower from the kde community, if the team keeps objecting to that. | 18:41 |
| djszapi | :) | 18:41 |
| djszapi | and kde community will also be disappointed about an "open" project. | 18:42 |
| NsaneCoffe | matrixx, guess you'll have to reflash | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: you're being rude, we're saying: if you want to maintain it, sure, but it doesn't get preinstalled on an image, the repository which it is in may be preinstalled | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | we're not going to maintain it ourselves, but you're more than welcome to do it | 18:43 |
| matrixx | NsaneCoffe: ok, so I have to redo the whole shannanigan? ie. remove dualbooter, flash harmattan 1.2 and start all over again? | 18:44 |
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| Stskeeps | fact is, we are low on disk space and memory, we're not going to install anything for preinstall that isn't absolutely needed | 18:44 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 18:44 |
| djszapi | yes, but that is not what I said. | 18:45 |
| Stskeeps | and if you go look at the technical details of kdelibs dependendancies, it's a mess, so it wouldn't even go in even if we did need it for one small component | 18:45 |
| anYc | hm, as far as I understand, it's sufficient for djszapi, if kdelibs is $somehow installable via apps4meego | 18:45 |
| djszapi | I would like to simplify the kde app developers' life for apps4meego if they happen to contribute to nemo. | 18:46 |
| anYc | so the question is, if the plasma-repo can be included in apps4meego | 18:46 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: good, roll up your sleves and maintain kdelibs for nemo then | 18:46 |
| djszapi | anYc: we do not need a plasma repository. | 18:46 |
| djszapi | anYc: we just need kdelibs. | 18:46 |
| djszapi | we do not wanna port plasma on top of nemo ;) | 18:46 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: so can apps4meego work with this "extra" repository ? | 18:47 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: the thing why people say that should include plasma active repository is that they _are_ maintaining kdelibs atm. | 18:47 |
| anYc | yes, but apparently the plasma people maintain it for mer (if I understood correctly) | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: ask the apps4meego people about that, we already have several repositories things build against | 18:47 |
| djszapi | Sage_: afaiu they have a broken package for madde for instance. | 18:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 18:48 |
| vgrade | anYc, not they maintain it for themselves Mer does not include UI layer | 18:48 |
| djszapi | it might be that they do not use madde at all. | 18:48 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: it is matter of configuratio the apps4meego started to work for nemo just over a week ago so don't expect it to be ready for everyone at the start. | 18:49 |
| djszapi | vgrade: also, we can probably truncate many things what is not the case for plasma. | 18:49 |
| djszapi | sorry, wanted to write to Sage_ | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 18:49 |
| djszapi | Sage_: well, it was presented more than a week ago at FOSDEM it had been working :P | 18:50 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: we got it working 10mins before the presentation ;) | 18:50 |
| djszapi | nice :) | 18:51 |
| anYc | timing is everything ^^ | 18:51 |
| djszapi | Sage_: is nemo stable for daily usage as a phone os ? | 18:53 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: but yes, we can't solve this now. We need to improve apps4meego (not sure how much and what it needs) and get repository with kdelibs (with someone maintaining it) | 18:53 |
| djszapi | I would love to help with that for nemo, but unfortunately rpm is the only packaging system out of the biggest I have no experience with :/ | 18:54 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: depends on usage. It can be used as daily devide but it has some things missing that you probably will miss. | 18:54 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: rpm as packaging is very easy to learn compared to .deb IMO | 18:55 |
| djszapi | too much effort in qt5 and kde frameworks to spare any time for learning :/ | 18:56 |
| djszapi | and even if I could learn, I should study the obs shortcomings :P | 18:59 |
| djszapi | at least that was much longer time for Harmattan than learning debian packaging. | 18:59 |
| djszapi | Sage_: you write on your slide /mostly/ compatible with Harmattan applications. Could you please ellaborate on this, what is not compatible ? | 19:08 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: there are some things that we don't have in nemo as those are proprietary and thus not available. | 19:14 |
| djszapi | aye makes sense. | 19:14 |
| Sage_ | the MTF and qt-components stuff is there and thus most apps that work on harmattan work also on nemo | 19:15 |
| Sage_ | at least after recompile. | 19:15 |
| Sage_ | we don't have e.g. NFC stuff so those apps might not work. | 19:15 |
| djszapi | 11112345 | 19:17 |
| Sage_ | we don't have exact list of those things that nemo is missing compared to harmattan so can't say exactly what are missing. | 19:17 |
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| djszapi | Sage_: it would not be too much effort then to get kde apps running on nemo. | 19:22 |
| djszapi | would also be good for us kde volunteers, and also for the nemo community | 19:23 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: you can already run kdeapps on nemo just compile the app against the plasmaactive repo and run it :) | 19:24 |
| Sage_ | the fact that apps4meego isn't ready is separate thing | 19:25 |
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| djszapi | Sage_: the plasma package would be broken for madde | 19:25 |
| djszapi | not sure that matters on nemo. | 19:25 |
| Sage_ | ? | 19:26 |
| matrixx | I tried just CuteExplorer, otherwise probably good in featurewise but would need a UI rewrite | 19:26 |
| matrixx | there's qt widget ui, way too small for my fingers | 19:26 |
| djszapi | matrixx: :D | 19:26 |
| djszapi | Sage_ madde needs special care for kdelibs | 19:27 |
| djszapi | but I guess it does not matter for nemo. I guess you use chroot images like in meego times ? | 19:27 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: madde as in "Meego Application developement and Debug Environment"? | 19:27 |
| djszapi | something like that, what QtCreator also uses in the background on Harmattan. | 19:28 |
| Sage_ | well I don't know about that much as I'm not using it. | 19:29 |
| djszapi | so the question is then how to proceed with accepting that package for apps4meego. | 19:30 |
| djszapi | so that we do not need to put the dynamic libraries and all the data files into our packages app-wise. | 19:30 |
| Sage_ | djszapi: app4meego doesn't require that | 19:30 |
| Sage_ | you don't need to ship libs with your app for nemo in app4meego | 19:31 |
| djszapi | Sage_: so how to grab the library in apps4meego from the plasma repository ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | is it possible ? | 19:31 |
| djszapi | because that is the next task to solve then :) I will ask X-Fade. | 19:31 |
| Sage_ | well before you can grab taht from apps4meego there is lots of other things to do first | 19:32 |
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| djszapi | Sage_: what exactly ? | 20:01 |
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| Sage_ | djszapi: a) who maintains kdelibs b) create repo for it from which to import stuff | 20:18 |
| djszapi | a) is not a question, I can do that. | 20:18 |
| djszapi | b) I was suggesting that as a step, yes. | 20:18 |
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| Sage_ | djszapi: well you just said that you don't have time to learn rpm packaging a while ago :) | 20:28 |
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| matrixx | rpm's are easy when done a few years with debian ;) | 20:29 |
| djszapi | Sage_: yes, but you also said, it works. | 20:29 |
| djszapi | and it had maintainers already. | 20:29 |
| djszapi | so imo, I would not even need to maintain it in fact. | 20:29 |
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| Stskeeps | they check it works on top of their stack, not on top of mer+nemo middleware :P | 20:31 |
| djszapi | yes, testing is needed. :) | 20:32 |
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