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Stskeeps | morn veskuh | 07:20 |
veskuh | Morning Stskeeps | 07:20 |
Stskeeps | veskuh: http://review.merproject.org/388 -- finally managed to merge qtwebkit 2.2.1 | 07:20 |
veskuh | Nice! | 07:20 |
Stskeeps | and mer now builds with autoconf/automake/autoreconf acceleration as well | 07:21 |
veskuh | Would be nice to have geolocation though, too bad that gps is not working yet. | 07:21 |
Stskeeps | yes | 07:21 |
Stskeeps | i'm not sure why it broke but we'll figure out eventually | 07:22 |
Stskeeps | i was at risk for breaking html5 video totally too | 07:22 |
veskuh | hmm.. I wonder what codecs are working.. | 07:22 |
Stskeeps | probably ogg/ogv if anything | 07:22 |
Stskeeps | it uses gstreamer | 07:22 |
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Sage | morning | 07:24 |
Sage | veskuh: I found a thing from our tumbler couple of days ago | 07:24 |
veskuh | Sage: Morning | 07:25 |
veskuh | Sage: interesting. Any change of getting it to work without bringing the whole gtk? | 07:25 |
Sage | veskuh: harmattan doesn't use the gdk pixbuf either but uses quill and we didn't have quill plugin as I took the stuff from wrong upstream. | 07:25 |
Sage | veskuh: so no gtk needed in the first place :) | 07:25 |
veskuh | Sage: nice. Would quill could also pull a lot of stuff? | 07:26 |
Sage | veskuh: we had that already packaged so didn't change anything else basically | 07:27 |
Sage | didn't get the thumbs working though :/ | 07:27 |
Sage | veskuh: if you want to try it is available here https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=tumbler&project=Project%3AMTF%3AUX | 07:27 |
Sage | veskuh: also the tests fail to check the images | 07:28 |
veskuh | Sage: Yep, I'll try it. | 07:28 |
Stskeeps | veskuh: we also found out that our libpng was ancient, so sage upgraded it yesterday. new version should autodetect our NEON and utilize it | 07:29 |
Sage | easyfix (tm) | 07:30 |
veskuh | Stskeeps: Nice find. | 07:30 |
Stskeeps | probably also fixes a buttload of exploits.. | 07:32 |
Stskeeps | which makes me wonder how exploitable main meego is | 07:32 |
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* veskuh after AEGIS does not even want to think about security | 07:32 | |
Sage | hehe | 07:33 |
Stskeeps | there was also a releases mailing list openened for qt-project that revolves around packaging of qt5 | 07:34 |
Stskeeps | so that's good news too, so people can actually sync | 07:34 |
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Stskeeps | it's amazing how little fails when pread64() is implemented wrong | 07:52 |
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Sage | veskuh: http://pastie.org/3346750 | 08:17 |
Stskeeps | Sage: libpng will make it in | 08:17 |
Sage | Stskeeps: ok | 08:17 |
Sage | is all our graphics in png format btw? | 08:18 |
Stskeeps | yes, pretty much | 08:18 |
veskuh | Sage: Did you check quill build config? | 08:18 |
Sage | veskuh: didn't check configs yet no | 08:19 |
Sage | veskuh: can't see anything strange | 08:21 |
veskuh | Sage: ok | 08:22 |
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Sage | veskuh: http://pastie.org/3346941 <- tumbler with all debugs enabled :/ | 09:11 |
* Sage ponders if there is need to select thumbnailer in addition to compiling int | 09:12 | |
Sage | there isn't any output even if I start photo app or wallpaper applet | 09:14 |
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jukkaeklund | hello.. | 09:28 |
Stskeeps | good morning | 09:28 |
* Stskeeps is finally starting to be back up in gear after fosdem and travels | 09:31 | |
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jukkaeklund | who could try to package phonegap for nemo? | 09:40 |
timoph | you? :p | 09:40 |
jukkaeklund | no skills.. | 09:40 |
jukkaeklund | unless you come and hold hands some day.. | 09:41 |
timoph | got this thing called day job interfering with hobbies | 09:41 |
jukkaeklund | would make for a nice hackday item though | 09:41 |
jukkaeklund | yeah.. | 09:41 |
timoph | yep | 09:41 |
jukkaeklund | lets try then latest | 09:42 |
timoph | introduction to packaging / obs ? | 09:42 |
jukkaeklund | I've seen intro stuff but I think just trial and error with real thing would be good | 09:43 |
Stskeeps | veskuh, timoph, jukkaeklund: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html | 09:43 |
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the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4325 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4325 | 11:12 |
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the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4325 Accepted promotion request | 11:17 |
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* Sage ponders what is wrong with tumbler in nemo | 12:09 | |
w00t_CPH | hmm? | 12:14 |
jukkaeklund | Sage, it doesn't work :p | 12:14 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/3347748 <- doesn't seem right | 12:16 |
Sage | that is with full tumbler debug | 12:17 |
w00t_CPH | true | 12:17 |
Sage | I think there should be something mentioned in thumbnailers section | 12:17 |
w00t_CPH | boarding.. bbl | 12:17 |
veskuh | Sage: yep, if I recall correctly the crash occured (earlier) because there was no default thumbnailer | 12:18 |
* Sage ponders if there is some dbus message that needs to be sent to get default thumbnailer | 12:19 | |
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Sage | veskuh, jukkaeklund, w00t_CPH: Moved my nemo mobile tumblerd binary to my N9 harmattan and there it says http://pastie.org/3347859 | 12:43 |
Sage | which looks like it should probably :) | 12:44 |
veskuh | so probably config issue somehow | 12:44 |
Sage | yes, it seems that the tumbler bianry is ok at least | 12:45 |
veskuh | do tumberd's dbus service files say anything interesting? | 12:45 |
veskuh | for example: /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.xfce.Tumbler.Manager1.service | 12:45 |
Sage | veskuh: http://pastie.org/3347883 | 12:47 |
veskuh | on nemo: http://pastie.org/3347888 | 12:47 |
Sage | hmmp | 12:48 |
stroughtonsmith | jukkaeklund: hmm the Nook Color CM9 guys seem to have GPU working. At least partially. Same chipset | 12:48 |
Sage | veskuh: I think we need maemo-video-thumbnailer those files in harmattan at least are from there | 12:50 |
stroughtonsmith | sand the Motorola Defy ICS port has GPU. N9 should be a go :D | 12:50 |
stroughtonsmith | and* | 12:50 |
Stskeeps | there's nothing simple about the n9 :P | 12:50 |
veskuh | Sage: well, for video yes, but there is still something wierd in images. the list did not contain jpg/png.. | 12:50 |
Sage | veskuh: http://pastie.org/3347888 is not the same as http://pastie.org/3347883 | 12:52 |
veskuh | Sage: yep, just illustrating how empty those are compared to harmattan. | 12:54 |
veskuh | Sage: none of the .service files we have in nemo have anything but Name and Exec | 12:54 |
Sage | veskuh: I meant that you pastied d-bus service files I something related to tumbler | 12:55 |
Sage | /usr/share/thumbnailers/ vs /usr/share/dbus-1/services/ | 12:55 |
veskuh | Sage: ah | 12:55 |
Sage | not related at all :) | 12:55 |
Sage | nemo doesn't have those /usr/share/thumbnailers/ files | 12:56 |
veskuh | yep | 12:56 |
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Sage | maemo-video-thumbnailer in Project:UX:MTF compiling atm. | 13:02 |
Sage | lets see if that changes things in way or another | 13:02 |
veskuh | hopefully. otherwise the packages seem pretty similiar | 13:05 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/3347994 | 13:06 |
Sage | at least it finds something now :) | 13:06 |
veskuh | Did it even initialize the quill plugin earlier? | 13:07 |
veskuh | yes it did | 13:07 |
Sage | didn't change a thing :/ | 13:09 |
Sage | only image thumbnails harmattan does are done with the wbmp | 13:09 |
veskuh | I remember that one of the differenes between harmattan and upstream was support for jpg thumbnails, but I do not think this is related to it since we do not seem to be generating any thumbs | 13:10 |
Sage | libqt4-wbmp: /usr/share/thumbnailers/com.nokia.wbmp.Thumbnailer1.service | 13:11 |
Sage | what is libqt-wbmp? | 13:11 |
veskuh | windows-bmp ? | 13:12 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/3348029 | 13:12 |
jukkaeklund | no.. MMS related? | 13:12 |
Sage | Source: mms-manager | 13:12 |
Sage | yes mms related apparently | 13:12 |
jukkaeklund | WAP sites used those | 13:12 |
veskuh | ah "Wireless Bitmap File Format" | 13:13 |
jukkaeklund | yes | 13:13 |
jukkaeklund | required for MMS compliancy | 13:13 |
Sage | so does harmattan use the tumbler for thumbnails in the first place? | 13:14 |
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veskuh | yes it should. I think we have same wallpaper applet. | 13:14 |
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Sage | well all other tumbler plugins than quilll and maemo-video-thumbnailer require gdk and that is not present in harmattan either | 13:18 |
* Sage check how situation changes with gdk-pixbuf | 13:23 | |
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veskuh | It might be that tumbler is only used for video/music nowadays | 13:25 |
veskuh | I'll check the bugzilla if I find anything related | 13:25 |
Sage | to me it seems like that | 13:28 |
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veskuh | hmm. it is still used based on bugzilla | 13:37 |
veskuh | Sage: what do you have on harmattan at /etc/xdg/thumbnails/ directory? | 13:37 |
Sage | flavors.conf file that comes from media-settings-harmattan package | 13:40 |
Sage | http://pastie.org/3348155 | 13:40 |
veskuh | try adding that file to your nemo image | 13:43 |
veskuh | worked for one image in wallpaper applet but not for photos. | 13:45 |
veskuh | wierd | 13:45 |
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Sage | ok, so added gdk-pixbuf thing and the output seems same as earlier from the debug without that one file | 13:47 |
Sage | even with the pixbuf photos and wallpaper doesn't work | 13:48 |
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Sage | and even with flavors.conf nothing changes on my dev | 13:50 |
veskuh | hmm.. I also grabbed .deb from harmattan and installed it on the device so that + flavors.conf might have been it | 13:51 |
veskuh | but .deb alone was not enough | 13:51 |
veskuh | and also I manually made .thumbnails dir to home | 13:51 |
veskuh | and now it contains thumbnail of the wallpaper we have | 13:52 |
veskuh | and I also reseted tracker db with tracker-control -rs | 13:54 |
* Sage is guessing that media-settings-harmattan is proprietary package :) | 13:54 | |
veskuh | we may need to make own conf file, there is one in tumbler-tests but it does not look usable | 13:57 |
Sage | veskuh: so you have the tumbler without gdk-pixbuf support and that works now right? | 13:57 |
veskuh | Sage: yes, it was able to generate image of the wallpaper | 13:58 |
Sage | and no maemo-video-thumbnailer either? | 13:58 |
veskuh | doesn't work in photos for some reason though | 13:58 |
veskuh | No | 13:58 |
Sage | ok, well we have new photo app in works so I wouldn't mind about that | 13:58 |
Sage | wallpaper is the main thing atm. I guess | 13:59 |
veskuh | Sage: zgyarmati's wallpaper has flavour.conf https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=flavors.conf&package=meegotouchcp-wallpaper&project=home%3Azgyarmati%3Ameegotouchcp-wallpaper&srcmd5=69fdfe797e15b431d2372906526177be | 14:02 |
faenil | Sage: are you referring to my gallery viewer? | 14:02 |
Sage | faenil: :nod: | 14:04 |
faenil | about that, how can I create a package? | 14:05 |
faenil | I haven't worked on it the last days because I'm very busy with the thesis, so I'd like to upload a 0.0.0.0.1 | 14:05 |
faenil | to get some feedback on that and requested features | 14:05 |
faenil | 0.0.0.0.1 version I mean | 14:05 |
Sage | faenil: if you want I can do packaging if you give the git url and tag version. But if you want to try yourself I would recommend checking some simple package as an example e.g. https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=apps-client&project=CE%3AApps | 14:06 |
Sage | veskuh: interesting | 14:07 |
faenil | yeah I'd like to learn :) | 14:07 |
Sage | faenil: ok, do you have obs account already to build.pub.meego.com? | 14:07 |
faenil | I should yeah, it was created one or two months ago iirc | 14:08 |
faenil | but I've never used obs :) | 14:08 |
Sage | that is ok. I think someone (maybe me) needs to write guide how to submit package to for example CE:Apps repo. | 14:09 |
faenil | atm I'm testing it on harmattan | 14:10 |
faenil | started from Qt Quick template ap | 14:10 |
faenil | app | 14:10 |
Sage | veskuh: you hunting down for proper configs? | 14:11 |
veskuh | Sage: photos is failing because it expects thumps as png and they are jpeg | 14:11 |
veskuh | Sage: yep | 14:11 |
Sage | veskuh: :P and ok | 14:11 |
Sage | veskuh: I asked as I'm starting to prepare for new release and would like to get that fix in if possible. | 14:12 |
veskuh | Sage: this is enough of config: http://pastie.org/3348313 | 14:13 |
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Sage | veskuh: ok, I wonder where we should add that | 14:29 |
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Sage | to tumbler package? | 14:30 |
veskuh | Sage: sounds logical | 14:30 |
Sage | ok, I can add that there | 14:30 |
veskuh | I'll see if I can quickly fix photos also :) | 14:31 |
faenil | my gallery viewer is currently only using sourceSize limit as a realtime thumbnails creator | 14:34 |
faenil | that's not as fast, but better than nothing :D | 14:34 |
veskuh | Yep, with .jpeg support the photo gallery works again. | 14:36 |
Sage | veskuh: ok nice | 14:37 |
Sage | the tumbler patch is in Project:MTF:UX atm. | 14:38 |
veskuh | Sage: it was maitrey's old patch. had to dig it from old repos but it still works. | 14:38 |
Sage | :) | 14:38 |
veskuh | Sage: yep, tumbler from repo (with conf) and deleted old thumbs. thumbnailing still works :) | 14:45 |
Sage | good | 14:45 |
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w00t_CPH_ | tiring day | 14:46 |
faenil | heya w00t_CPH_ | 14:48 |
Sage | veskuh: any more SR's coming? | 14:49 |
veskuh | Did you see the photos SR? | 14:49 |
Sage | veskuh: accepted and the helium as well | 14:49 |
veskuh | Good, those are it for this release :) | 14:49 |
Sage | ok | 14:50 |
the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4327 Rejected promotion request | 14:52 |
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the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4328 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4328 | 15:04 |
the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4328 Rejected promotion request | 15:05 |
* Sage forgot debug to the tumbler | 15:05 | |
phaeron | did it start working ? :) | 15:06 |
Sage | yes | 15:10 |
Sage | veskuh: noted that we are missing one config file :) | 15:10 |
phaeron | cool | 15:10 |
the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4329 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/4329 | 15:11 |
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veskuh | Sage: ok, what do I need to fix? | 15:11 |
Sage | veskuh: ? | 15:12 |
Sage | ah, sry... extra : there :) | 15:12 |
veskuh | Ah :) | 15:12 |
Sage | veskuh: answering to phaeron :) | 15:13 |
veskuh | yep :) | 15:13 |
Sage | so bugs 27,76 and 88 fixed in todays release | 15:14 |
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the-boss` | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#4329 Accepted promotion request | 15:23 |
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faenil | yey :D | 15:24 |
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Sage | vgrade: Khaled: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo/fosdem2012-nemo-presentation.pdf <- missed this one right? | 15:35 |
faenil | oh, let me give it a look :D | 15:36 |
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vgrade | Sage, thanks | 15:44 |
* Sage builds new nemo mobile release | 15:47 | |
Free-MG | :) | 15:47 |
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Khaled | vgrade: thank u so much :D | 16:00 |
Khaled | wont u get any lawsuits from nokia cz thats alot of copying? | 16:11 |
Sage | Khaled: ? | 16:12 |
Khaled | there are lots of copying from the n9 | 16:16 |
Khaled | general ui stuff | 16:16 |
Khaled | is it illegal? | 16:16 |
Sage | Khaled: none of those images are from N9 | 16:17 |
Khaled | no I mean it is heavily inspired from the n9 ui | 16:17 |
Sage | Khaled: well the UI framework that is used in N9 is open and free and we are using same framework :) | 16:17 |
Khaled | brb food | 16:18 |
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alinux__99 | hi I want to give nemo a try on my N900, I am still sticking to it, as I could not find a valid multitasking alternative ... I like the hardware as well, so I did try nitdroid ..was not really my piece of cake, Maemo is going downhill IMHO, so I want to try out Nemo "All due respect to Maemo && Nitdroid devels they are doing a great job" so I want to try out NEMO now, I know it is community based and it has it's limitations, but does it allow me to | 16:30 |
alinux__99 | make / receive calls ? What about apps ? | 16:30 |
Stskeeps | yes, it can do calls | 16:31 |
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alinux__99 | Stskeeps, thanks what about apps ? Same as Maemo or other repos available ? | 16:32 |
Stskeeps | we have other repos, we're not maemo compatible | 16:33 |
Stskeeps | we're closer to harmattan/n9 | 16:33 |
alinux__99 | I see | 16:40 |
alinux__99 | Stskeeps, what about GPS ? Working ? Any decent apps ? | 16:40 |
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Stskeeps | there's qt flying bus :) | 16:41 |
Stskeeps | and GPS can work but not integrated yet | 16:41 |
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alinux__99 | Stskeeps, thanks for all the answers, would it be correct to say that NEMO is kind of a Harmattan community edition ? And would I be able to run N9 apps on it ? | 16:43 |
Stskeeps | some stuff works and some doesn't, harmattan community edition would imply it's based on harmattan, while in fact this is based on meego | 16:44 |
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alinux__99 | Stskeeps, what release would you advise me to try ? | 16:59 |
Stskeeps | latest | 16:59 |
alinux__99 | Stskeeps, latest daily or latest release ? | 17:01 |
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Stskeeps | whatever is latest, we don't have dailies really :) | 17:04 |
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alinux__99 | Stskeeps, thanks, I hope I am not getting on your nerves, latest I found was http://repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de/archive/1.2.90.5.0.20110927.81.CE.2011-09-27.1/images/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing/mg-handset-armv7nhl-n900-ce-testing-1.2.90.5.0.20110927.81.CE.2011-09-27.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 with date 27/09/2011 | 17:07 |
Stskeeps | yeah, that's ancient | 17:07 |
Stskeeps | hang on | 17:07 |
alinux__99 | coming from here http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/GettingStarted | 17:07 |
Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo | 17:07 |
Stskeeps | use that instead | 17:07 |
Stskeeps | and trust me, it's hard to really get on my nerves :) | 17:08 |
alinux__99 | Stskeeps, thanks so for updates, I can simply do that trough repos or I have to reploy images. | 17:10 |
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Stskeeps | we try to make it through repos but on occasion mer core changes a lot | 17:13 |
alinux__99 | Stskeeps, sounds good ..will subscribe to mailing list to stay on top of things...downloading image as we speak | 17:14 |
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Sage | Stskeeps: the phaeron's patch to remove the unnessessary builds would help for updates a lot :/ | 17:33 |
Sage | on next mer release basically all nemo packages will be rebuild again :/ | 17:34 |
Stskeeps | right | 17:34 |
phaeron | Sage: I am working on packaging OBS from our git , then we will deploy it | 17:34 |
Stskeeps | though do recall that this only applies to localdep scenarios | 17:34 |
Sage | phaeron: ok, good. | 17:34 |
Sage | Stskeeps: hmmp? | 17:34 |
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Stskeeps | Sage: as in, the patch only helps in "test build" scenarios | 17:35 |
phaeron | Stskeeps: build-compare is provided by mer ? | 17:35 |
Sage | Stskeeps: I though it helps also for releases :/ | 17:35 |
Stskeeps | phaeron: yes | 17:35 |
Stskeeps | Sage: it helps to some degree, much faster response in mer | 17:35 |
Stskeeps | for reviews etc | 17:35 |
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phaeron | so the build-compare change will be inherited to nemo and should also help breaking the build chains | 17:36 |
Stskeeps | right | 17:37 |
phaeron | probably .. | 17:37 |
Sage | any estimate when cobs gets the sb2 stuff so that new mer core can be started to be used? | 17:38 |
Stskeeps | when phaeron has packaging | 17:39 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:39 |
Sage | hehe ok | 17:39 |
phaeron | no pressure .. :D | 17:40 |
Stskeeps | i'm exporting 0.0.3 at the moment | 17:40 |
* Sage ponders where phaeron's packaging is so that he could watch it building in live ;) | 17:41 | |
phaeron | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=Mer:OBS:Testing initial import so far | 17:41 |
Stskeeps | also i need to verify on my newly rebased patches | 17:41 |
Khaled | can all n9 apps be ported to nemo? | 17:43 |
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timoph | I'd quess most of the qt/qml stuff can be. dunno the delta in the libs and qml bindings though | 18:18 |
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timoph | nemo has the same memory settings thing set as meego did so it can't see more than 1G of memory? | 18:27 |
timoph | actually s/nemo/mer/ | 18:27 |
Stskeeps | yeah, i guess so | 18:28 |
timoph | hmmh. need to figure out out systemd stuff works | 18:31 |
timoph | for starters where are the init scripts, etc. for it? | 18:32 |
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Stskeeps | there's no init scripts ;) | 18:33 |
timoph | yeah | 18:33 |
timoph | but their counterparts | 18:33 |
Stskeeps | .service files | 18:33 |
timoph | or something | 18:33 |
timoph | ah | 18:33 |
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timoph | note to self: /etc/xdg/autostart | 18:53 |
Stskeeps | hehe | 18:53 |
timoph | ah. having the mouse cursor visible helps a lot | 18:54 |
timoph | now to find a network cable so I can try to get wifi working.. | 18:55 |
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Khaled | how can i contribute to nemo? | 22:14 |
anYc_ | there's a howto in the wiki afaik | 22:28 |
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Khaled | what is a steering group? | 22:29 |
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vgrade | [01:46] <Khaled> how can I contribute to nemo, are there any site for it? | 22:36 |
vgrade | [01:47] <vgrade> http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Nemo#Nemo_Mobile | 22:36 |
vgrade | [01:48] <vgrade> http://wiki.merproject.com/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs | 22:36 |
Khaled | no I dont to fix bugs, I have alot of thougts on the designa | 22:37 |
Khaled | and the ui | 22:38 |
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Khaled | whose the designer behind it? | 22:39 |
vgrade | [15:35] <Sage> vgrade: Khaled: http://sage.kapsi.fi/Nemo/fosdem2012-nemo-presentation.pdf <- missed this one right? | 22:39 |
vgrade | Title "Nemo Mobile - How to contribute" | 22:40 |
Khaled | I read that so the email in that is what I should use? | 22:40 |
phaeron | well easiest if there is no bug already reported about something , is to file a bug asking for it and promising to do it | 22:43 |
Khaled | the problem is i dont have any nokia dev phones, i only have an android phone | 22:44 |
phaeron | for example bug for enhancement of home screen, and then discuss what you want to do in the bug | 22:45 |
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phaeron | I think you can run it in a vm | 22:46 |
phaeron | and it doesn't have to be a nokia phone | 22:46 |
Khaled | can u give me a how to ? | 22:46 |
phaeron | people are running it on many different devices | 22:46 |
Khaled | nvm found it | 22:47 |
vgrade | where? | 22:47 |
Khaled | no there are only how tos for nokia phones | 22:47 |
Khaled | false alert | 22:47 |
Khaled | vgrade: do u know how to run it in vm? | 22:48 |
phaeron | but you also need to do some effort to work | 22:48 |
vgrade | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Talk:Trying_it_out | 22:51 |
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