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iekkumorning04:21
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marquizmorning06:28
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Sagemorning07:47
Stskeepsmorn sage07:48
StskeepsSage: going to re-evaluate some of your submits now that we have proper logs07:50
Sageok07:52
Stskeepswe had some NTP issues before so builds broke randomly07:54
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niqtmorning07:57
kengu2the latest release on n900 seems to alert on incoming calls and launch dialer? I was in the belief that there was/is problem with that but I just received a call and I thought I didn't have dialer running. No, it was not a test case. I just happened to get a call.07:57
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Stskeepskengu2: that's good :)07:58
Stskeepskengu2: if you find the bug in question on bugs.nemomobile.org, you can note that it actually works for you07:59
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3288 Rejected promotion request08:08
Stskeepsit's incredible how proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled can still screw up qemu08:09
SageStskeeps: udev/rules.d/10-pvrsrvkm.rules:1:KERNEL=="pvrsrvkm", OWNER="meego"08:09
StskeepsSage: ah @%@%#^&08:09
SageStskeeps: ^ one reason for name change :)08:09
Stskeepsthat's just silly08:09
Sagewe probably should do something else than static name there :)08:09
Stskeepscan't we make it group video or something?08:09
SageStskeeps: worst thing is that it is our code ;)08:09
Stskeepsyes, i know, hence my reaction08:09
Sageprobably video group would be proper one08:10
Stskeepsand then write permissions for group08:10
phaeronSage: removing old changelog entries ? :D08:11
Sagephaeron: boss broke to that?08:12
phaeronit's not allowed08:12
Sagephaeron: well the thing is that I just took the ustream08:12
phaeronSage: https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/328808:12
Sageit was forked package and forked comments :/08:12
phaeronI can see that, but what the check sees is the lines starting with -08:13
phaeronSage: did you get my messages in #mer ?08:13
Sageyes, I saw thus package :)08:13
SageI can fix that changelog by adding it there though08:13
Sageactually I can't :)08:14
Sagedate doesn't match :P08:14
Sageok, in this kind of situation what is the proper action? Just ignore the upstream changelogs and add one of my own only?08:15
SageStskeeps: opinions https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/328808:15
Stskeepsgo for it08:16
phaeronSage: I agree that meego's package is the culprit. so maybe make it a warning and then remove the exception later ?08:16
Sagephaeron: I can just manually short circut that :)08:18
Sagebefore review completes :P08:18
phaeronSage: or reopen request and accept it08:19
phaeronSage: you loose the trial build but I guess that's ok08:19
Sagethat is ok08:22
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niqthow to do screenshot on nemo?08:26
xruxarun widgetsgalleru -> debug tools08:27
Sagecp /dev/fb0 /root/image.raw ;)08:32
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Sagephaeron: so how to reopen request?08:34
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SageWe should probably create a meta bug for nemo: "[META] Bugs blocking usage as primary phone" or something08:41
Sagewhat are the main problems atm. outside the calling/gprs area?08:41
veskuhbattery status08:42
phaeronSage: osc request reopen foo08:42
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xruxaveskuh: battery indicator works for me on N900, tough battery life is worse than it used to be08:54
veskuhxruxa: yep on N900 it seems to work. doesn't work on N950 though.08:54
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xruxaw00t: http://blog.rburchell.com/2011/11/avoiding-graphics-flicker-in-qt-qml.html you want us to use it in our apps now?11:18
w00txruxa: you can, but not compulsory, i'm ~half done moving it into a little stub launcher we can reuse for pure qml apps11:22
w00tjust need to package it :)11:22
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cousin_luigiGreetings.11:34
w00thi11:35
cousin_luigiDoes nemo support platforms other than N9* ?11:35
w00tit supports whatever people want to try put it onto11:36
cousin_luigiw00t: Has anyone taken up the challenge yet?11:38
w00twhat challenge?11:38
cousin_luigiw00t: Of porting meego to other cellphones...11:39
w00tnot that I know of11:39
w00tit isn't trivial to get something actually usable, Stskeeps is a good person to talk to about that11:40
Stskeepsmer's easy to port but problems is always graphics drivers and modem11:41
cousin_luigiStskeeps: I see.:/11:41
Stskeepsif you are a handset vendor, it'sa lot easier11:41
cousin_luigiStskeeps: I'm a handset user who would like an alternative to the existing platforms:)11:42
w00tright.. I was meaning, difficult in terms of getting something actually usable :)11:42
cousin_luigiStskeeps: Do you see more vendors supporting it in the future? And what about tizen?11:42
Stskeepscousin_luigi: tizen doesn't have any code published or architecture, hard to say11:43
Stskeepsmer's just a core, people like Nemo make handset UIs11:43
cousin_luigiI see.11:44
Stskeepsie, not strictly a handset platform, but i hope one day people will make mer-based handsets11:44
cousin_luigiDo you see that happening anytime soon?:/11:46
Stskeepswe just announced mer under two months ago, patience :)11:46
Stskeepsbut Nemo can make phonecalls11:46
arcolStskeeps: but you worked on it since ages before the announcement!:)11:47
Stskeepsarcol: hehe11:47
Stskeepsarcol: not terribly, first very seriously a couple of weeks before :)11:47
Stskeepswe had practically no infra11:47
arcolI dont mind if meego is only supported on two model. I have one of it11:48
arcol:)11:49
arcoldevelopment is not scattered. We will end up at least one working model11:49
arcolthats good enough for me:)11:49
arcolif you can keep up with one model/year supporting its enough11:52
arcol(2010 - n900, 2011 - n9, 2012 - ?)11:52
arcolits like a reference model for the manufacturers11:52
Stskeepsno idea about 201211:53
Stskeeps:P11:53
cousin_luigiarcol: Problem is the supported models are a bit out of my budget.11:53
arcolyeah, we need an entry model too. good point11:54
arcolhowever I plan to use mine for 5 years11:54
arcol(3.5 years left)11:54
cousin_luigiwell, I guess I'm going to check back with you guys in a few months and see what happened:)11:55
cousin_luigigood luck11:55
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xruxaouch - http://pastie.org/2943645  - what happened? Do we really have this many new packages coming for tomorrow's image?12:10
Stskeepsnew Mer release?12:11
Stskeepswe moved OBS, so12:11
Stskeepsand be aware: i don't guarantee upgrades as we moved OBS12:11
xruxaexplains. Thanks.12:13
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3289 Rejected promotion request12:24
Sageah12:25
SageStskeeps: after I get the alsa-utils there :P12:25
Stskeepsok12:25
Sageveskuh: that preview needs to be added to the default gconf key to fix the issue.12:27
Sagenot sure though which package should provide that. Maybe ce-mtf-configs?12:28
* lbt got appsformeego client running last night12:29
lbtit tried to install harmattan things :)12:30
veskuhlbt: nice. But the UI is mostly working?12:30
Sagewell some of those apps should run fine in theory at least12:30
lbtveskuh: yes12:30
lbtsage ... they're .debs though12:31
* lbt debates porting alien12:31
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the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3290 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com//request/show/329012:43
SageStskeeps: ok now alsa-utils goes to the CE:Utils :)12:45
the-bossphaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3290 Accepted promotion request12:47
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Sagebtw, anyone checked why on exopc and wetab the x86 blanks the screen and never comes back?13:21
Stskeepsxset, dpms, that kind of stuff?13:23
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faenilhello peopleee :)13:25
Stskeepslo13:26
faenilhow's life mate?13:26
Stskeepsheadache, currently13:26
faeniloops13:26
* Sage waits again armv7l repo13:34
lbtSage: that screen blanking seems to be triggered by events - if you boot and leave it alone it's fine - but as soon as you touch it it goes blank13:39
* lbt afk for a while .... l8r13:40
faenilok so, first test...13:52
faenilN950 reception: 45-55%13:52
faenilN9 signal in the same spot: 75-85%13:52
faenilnow trying to remove the back of the n950...13:53
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faenilremoved N950 back, didn't get any better :(14:04
faenilN950: 55%, N9: 85%...14:04
faenilthat's so sad :(14:04
Sage:(14:10
Stskeepsn950 isn't terribly good with signals14:11
faenilit's totally useless here :(14:12
faenilI always get no signal at uni :(14:12
Stskeepsonly a developer phone anyway14:12
faenilneed to keep it on the desk14:12
faenilsure14:12
faenilglad it didn't reach the market though...14:12
Sage?14:13
Stskeepswell, it's not production level calibrated properly14:13
Stskeepsprobably14:13
dm8tbrit's just their way to remind us that we should also buy a proper N9 ;)14:13
faenil:) I have an N9 xD got at devdays ^^14:14
dm8tbrlucky b*stard :-p14:14
faenilbut I wanted to sell it since it's an overkill because I already have n950 and N8 ^^14:14
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dm8tbrsell the N8, who uses dead platforms anyway *snerk*14:14
faenilbut I can't sell it with the n950 being so useless14:14
faenilneed the N8 :)14:14
faeniland it has got long battery life, and wonderful camera + wonderful antenna signal14:15
faenilall things n950/n9 dream about D14:15
faenil:)14:15
dm8tbrdeeeetails ;)14:15
faenilehehehe14:16
* dm8tbr simply keeps a stack of BL-4D in his pocket, longest battery-life evvvar!14:16
Sagefree phone and still not happy ;)14:16
faenilanyway, dm8tbr you know what's better? I won a free kindle in a drawing at devdays the first evening, and it was my birthday! :D14:16
dm8tbrdid I said lucky b*stard already? oh, yes I did...14:17
dm8tbr;)14:17
faenilthe morning after, they said people with the blue card were going to receive the N9 (i.e. people who chose to follow the Qt Quick track)14:17
faeniland guess what, I was in Qt Quick track coz advanced Qt was already full when I registered :D14:17
faenilthat was amazing! You can imagine how excited I was!14:18
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* faenil expects dm8tbr to reach me asap with a shotgun xD14:20
faenilso what's the most important release blocker atm in Nemo? :)14:24
w00tI think it's generally agreed that dialer starting being a bit weird, and indicators being a bit broken are the biggest issues atm14:25
Sage:nod:14:25
w00t(https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2 being one of those, i don't have the other id handy)14:25
faenilregistering to the bugzilla :)14:26
Sageis there something in mer core <-> nemomobile package level that needs attention atm?14:28
faenilaccount created :) w00t: 3d crossword exam is finished :) I could have some spare hours during the next days...I "only" have to work on the thesis and study from now on14:28
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w00tSage: organizer support i think is the biggest thing i know of, i guess that's probably straddling mer a little too14:29
Sageah that one14:29
* Sage already forgot14:30
faenilI have got tearing on my notebook with official ATi drivers, so I can accept it's there on nemo too :)14:31
faenilanyway, did you find the cause of that tearing? is there any info about that?14:32
w00tStskeeps was taking a look, but he's had a lot on his plate. dunno if he got to it yet.14:36
faenilk14:37
Stskeepsi'm actively blocked by PR1.1 kernel source not being published14:37
faenilisn't it out yet? :O14:37
Stskeepssomething screwed up in the process, it seems14:37
faenil-.-14:37
w00t*sigh*14:37
faenilStskeeps: do you want me to look for updated info about that?14:39
Stskeepsnah, there's plenty of twitter sources and forum discussions14:39
faenilok ;)14:40
faenilw00t: could you please give me some update about qmlsms and explain what's needed/ToDo?14:43
w00tsure. not much has changed in the past week, I've not had time (or inclination) to get back to it yet. so - current status is, there's a simple prototype/kickaround QML UI, plus xruxa's currently seperate bubble prototype.. those need to be merged into the codebase of what was formerly meego-handset-sms, replacing the old UI (which will involve writing models to present the data, etc)14:45
* Sage can't believe his eyes with the mkcal build atm.14:47
w00tSage: oh?14:47
Sagethat can't work :D14:47
Stskeepswhat's worse, using EDS or this stuff?14:48
Stskeeps:P14:48
Stskeepsor is there no EDS calendar backend14:48
w00tthere -is- no eds calendar backend14:49
Stskeepsok14:49
Stskeepsso there's only kcalcore .. or which are there14:49
faenilw00t: ok...could you please tell me more about what to keep from the old app?14:50
w00tthere's mkcal, memory, or harmattan, or maemo5 (using god knows what), symbian (irrelevant to us)14:51
w00ter14:51
w00tharmattan = mkcal14:51
Stskeepsmaemo5 sounds like EDS.. doesn't it14:51
Stskeepsor was there an insane closed api for that14:52
w00ti'm pretty sure they didn't use eds for calendaring14:52
Stskeepsyeah.. "calendar-backend"14:52
SageLOL14:52
Sagehttps://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Amkcal14:52
Sageno tracker in there and compiled mkcal :P14:53
Stskeepsfun14:53
Stskeepsdoes it actually work14:53
Stskeeps?14:53
Stskeeps:P14:53
SageI don't think so :D14:53
w00tthat.. really shouldn't build :)14:53
Stskeepsinstall -m 644 -p /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/mkcal-0.3.11/src/sqlitestorage.h /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/mkcal-0.3.11-7.1.i386//usr/include/mkcal/14:54
Stskeepshmmmmm14:54
Stskeeps:P14:54
Stskeepsalso 'dummystorage' and 'trackerstorage'14:54
w00toh, hmm14:55
w00ti actually remember something about calendaring in harmattan not actually relying on tracker14:55
w00tthey mirror their own database to it for stupid purposes (search or something)14:55
w00tbut i don't think they actually -use- it as their primary data storage14:55
w00tso it may be that tracker can be neutered out of there14:55
w00tfaenil: so, do you have a clone of meego-handset-sms to look at?14:56
veskuhw00t: yep, sounds about right14:56
* Sage adds organizer to qt-mobility build14:56
Stskeepstake qmf while you're at it?14:57
faenilw00t: cloning...but have to go in a bit...will be back later, hopefully :)14:57
w00ter14:57
w00tdon't we already have qmf?14:57
w00tit's needed for sms14:57
w00t(it shouldn't be, but that's another discussion)14:57
Sagew00t: it is not in mer core14:57
w00tok14:57
Stskeepsnot in mer core (yet)14:57
Sageok, will continue that thing tomorrow14:58
Sagehave to go very soon14:58
faenilwhat's qmf?14:58
Stskeepsok14:58
Stskeepsgood work14:58
w00tqt messaging framework14:58
faeniloh ok...14:58
w00temail, basically14:58
faenilI have just cloned meego-handset, need anything else?14:59
w00tfor some cracked-out reason, the original sms authors decided to jam it into meego-handset-sms14:59
faeniloh...14:59
w00tfaenil: you can probably forget about building this on desktop without a bit of work, so for now yeah, just that repo is good14:59
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w00tREADME provides a pretty good overview though15:00
faeniloh that's sad, can't see my sms app in action when it will be ready for any action xD15:00
w00tARCHITECTURE is also useful15:00
faenilbettery almost empty15:00
w00tbasically, src/ is the primary bit you'll be hacking at15:00
faenilcya later15:00
w00to/15:00
faenilyou talking about handset-sms now right?15:00
w00tyes15:01
faenilk15:01
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w00tStskeeps: interesting..15:05
Stskeepsmm?15:05
w00tthere is a calendar-backend on gitorious :P15:05
Stskeepsyes i know15:05
Stskeepsit's more dead than meego though15:05
w00tgiven the contact is someone i know to have left nokia, possibly15:06
w00tthough it has recent commits15:06
slaineWonder if we can get Norwegian blue Meego tee's15:06
Sagew00t: that qt-mobility there should compile now. Would be nice if someone could test if that organizer actually works :)15:06
Stskeepsi have a couple of Tizen tshirts15:06
w00tniqt: ^^^^15:06
Stskeepsi figured i would start a collection tshirts of dead OS'es15:07
slaineStskeeps: From the prague meet up ?15:07
Stskeepsslaine: yeah :P15:07
Stskeepsmaemo, meego, tizen.15:07
Stskeepsmer.. not dead ;)15:07
w00tjust pining15:07
w00tfor the fjords...15:07
Sagecya later everyone.15:07
Stskeepscya15:07
slainew00t: exactly15:08
w00tSage: o/, thanks again15:08
niqtyes i'm15:08
w00tniqt: see home:sage:mkcal on obs15:08
niqttomorrow i'll try15:09
w00tyou'll hopefully have a mobility there with organizer working15:09
niqtw00t: i have obs account, but i never used it, is the moment to leaard it15:09
w00tsure :)15:10
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veskuhw00t: What is the easiest way to see dbus method signature?15:22
veskuhThis is probably reason fall call history fail in dialer: "HistoryProxy: GetVoiceHistory() failed: Method "GetVoiceHistory" with signature "" on interface "org.ofono.CallHistory" doesn't exist15:23
w00tqdbus is a useful tool15:23
* slaine is booting the last nemo image now15:23
veskuhhmm.. there is SmsHistory but no call history..15:28
slainew00t: how's lipstick coming along ?15:34
slainemeegotouchhome is still really bloaty15:34
veskuhargh, latest ofono-qt is really crappy. it is missing bunch of features that dialer wants to use.15:40
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rlinfatiHi, how i install mer on n950? i flash moslo, mkfs.ext4 to sdb, untar, cp cmdline-* cmdline, cp vmlinuz- vmlinuz.... but not boot20:47
rlinfatialso, i see the cmdline say root=mmcblk0p4.. and i try with 3, but nothing happens20:47
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rlinfati:(20:54
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kengu2hmm.. i did as instructed and the fix and it worked20:58
kengu2rlinfati: these instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N95021:00
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rlinfatican be related to my n950 was with pr1.1 before ?21:18
kengu2yes21:21
dm8tbrrlinfati: shoudl work fine, do the fix I mentioned!21:24
dm8tbrsee mailing list21:24
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dm8tbrhttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-handset/2011-November/000868.html21:26
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Sagew00t: the build for qt-mobility failed on arm. for some missing file. Need to check why it differs on arm and intel22:33
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