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| KaziKluBey_N900 | morning | 05:01 |
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| befr0d | hello | 05:02 |
| Sage | morning | 05:32 |
| araujo | moin | 05:33 |
| araujo | Sage, o/ | 05:33 |
| * araujo should go to bed soon though | 05:33 | |
| Sage | :) | 05:41 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: have you made your kickstarter patch with git already btw? I would like to merge that and some others to my branch. | 05:43 |
| befr0d | morning Sage | 06:04 |
| Sage | befr0d: updated the .ks files, latest at https://gitorious.org/meego-developer-edition-for-n900/image-configurations/trees/master/kickstarts/Nemo | 06:13 |
| w00t | moin folks | 06:20 |
| * w00t is on a ferry, doctors appointment today :/ | 06:20 | |
| w00t | i would quite like a few days of not having to travel :) | 06:21 |
| Sage | w00t: I would watch what you wish for ;) | 06:21 |
| Sage | whatch out* | 06:22 |
| * Sage 's monday continues :/ | 06:22 | |
| w00t | tbat bad? | 06:23 |
| Stskeeps | give me ~20 mins and i'm more awake | 06:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 06:23 |
| w00t | i forgot my laptop charger in ruoholahti, that was a great way to end my monday | 06:23 |
| * dm8tbr hands out espresso doppio | 06:23 | |
| dm8tbr | w00t: you finally had time to read that book? ;) | 06:24 |
| w00t | dm8tbr: i have a spare, thank god | 06:24 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no, i don't move further with the inherit patch | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: i think i gave you a git formed patch though | 06:27 |
| befr0d | Sage, http://pastie.org/2865655 | 06:28 |
| befr0d | did I miss something? newer mic required? | 06:28 |
| araujo | w00t, moin o/ | 06:28 |
| w00t | araujo: o/ | 06:29 |
| befr0d | what was that command to clean the bootstrap so it rebuilds | 06:30 |
| Sage | befr0d: drop the release cmdline param | 06:31 |
| Sage | befr0d: also the suffix should be dropped | 06:31 |
| Sage | befr0d: you can't recreate that image so no need to try. | 06:32 |
| befr0d | aha! :P | 06:32 |
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| Sage | OBS project structure shortly described at http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 07:10 |
| w00t | :) | 07:12 |
| w00t | Sage++ | 07:12 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: well I didn't see the git formatted patch. Just a patch missing the author etc. | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/0001-Add-functionality-to-inherit-configurations.patch | 08:31 |
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| matrixx | hey there, does meego use same theme config than harmattan? | 08:38 |
| veskuh | Sage: Why was tumbler not included in nemo? meego-handset-photos would need it to install.. | 08:38 |
| veskuh | matrixx: not the same theme, but same mechanism | 08:38 |
| matrixx | veskuh: so it's in the gconf with same name? | 08:39 |
| matrixx | and theme foldering is same? | 08:39 |
| Sage | veskuh: need to fix that depdencency on meego-handset-photos | 08:39 |
| Sage | veskuh: it is not included because nobody depends on it | 08:39 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: we need to split down the package-groups to package-groups and package-groups-builder | 08:39 |
| matrixx | veskuh: if it works similar, I'll add CE target for my themechanger build in cobs | 08:40 |
| matrixx | currently it's only build for harmattan | 08:40 |
| veskuh | matrixx: yes, it works the same way. we already have theme applet for changing theme. | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: hmm? | 08:41 |
| matrixx | ah ok, then you don't need another :) | 08:41 |
| veskuh | Well, if yours is better than the existing, maybe then :-) It is always good to have choice. | 08:41 |
| matrixx | well, ok then, I'll build it for CE and you can be the judge :) | 08:42 |
| veskuh | Nice :) | 08:42 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: don't want to maintain the build scripts on each package groups package | 08:42 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: and dont' want to copy the script to every package groups git tree either | 08:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: similar to kickstarter, that is not included in each image-cofniguration pacakge in the fusture | 08:44 |
| * Sage makes a lot of typos today | 08:44 | |
| Stskeeps | ok, so we have atm the package groups for Mer in the mer/project-core, you'd like to provide a package in core that helps people build package groups? | 08:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes | 08:45 |
| Sage | package-group-builder or something | 08:45 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:45 |
| Sage | or pattern-builder | 08:45 |
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| Stskeeps | makes senese | 08:53 |
| veskuh | Sage: Isn't wallpaper applet failing to show previews of the images because of missing tumbler? | 08:53 |
| matrixx | what's the current CE target I should build my app against? | 08:54 |
| matrixx | ahem *repository | 08:55 |
| veskuh | matrixx: repos described here: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/OBS | 08:56 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://meego.gitorious.org/~sage/meego-developer-tools/sages-kickstarter/commit/99306df39e9f7ae9a3df42c546e46e3c84e59062 | 08:58 |
| Sage | veskuh: for some reason installing tumbler didn't help on that | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: ah woops | 08:58 |
| veskuh | Sage: Ok, good to know. | 08:58 |
| veskuh | Sage: but then we did not have tracker? | 08:59 |
| veskuh | Sage: just thinking if the components are actually working somehow together.. | 09:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: some other errors as well, but need to check those later | 09:00 |
| Sage | veskuh: yes, but tracker is not needed for those, right? | 09:00 |
| matrixx | veskuh: thanks | 09:01 |
| veskuh | Sage: don't really know, but probably not. I think I'll try to investigate this a bit and see if learn something. | 09:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: to get camera working, we need gst-plugins-god | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | good | 10:30 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3081 Rejected promotion request | 10:31 |
| xruxa | god, indeed :) | 10:31 |
| dm8tbr | IDDQD | 10:32 |
| xruxa | Sage: SR#3081 - how do I fix that? I cannot seem to be able to add repo CE:UX:MTF ... | 10:33 |
| araujo | morning | 10:37 |
| * araujo wonders if there is any ETA for new images | 10:37 | |
| xruxa | guess its lunchtime in Finland ;) | 10:40 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ok, that should probably go to CE:MW:Shared | 10:52 |
| Sage | xruxa: that should go to Project:MTF:UX anyway | 10:53 |
| xruxa | Ok, so I go add those repos, rebuild and if okay resubmit? | 10:54 |
| Sage | xruxa: currently Project:MTF:Ux doesn't have those checks | 10:54 |
| Sage | so just submit is ok :) | 10:55 |
| xruxa | ok, so not adding repost, just submitting to Project:MTF:UX? | 10:55 |
| Sage | xruxa: atm. yes | 10:55 |
| * xruxa is running some binaries from N9/OVI store on N900 with Nemo - 50% success rate so far :) | 11:02 | |
| Stskeeps | cool | 11:03 |
| xruxa | No luck with Angry Birds though :( | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | prolly due to nfc | 11:03 |
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| * xruxa is looking into a way of resetting his root password on N9 without reflashing it | 11:05 | |
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| mece | Stskeeps, angry birds work on N950 sans nfc, so it should work fine. | 11:17 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: grr.... xmlrpc-c is 5 years old when the latest super stable version is only a 2 months old :D | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: <3 meego | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | mece: still uses the apis | 11:22 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I'll check if I can update that as well | 11:22 |
| mece | Stskeeps, ok.. so no nfc apis for nemo yet/ever? | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | mece: not sure but hardware adaptation is the difficult part | 11:26 |
| mece | Stskeeps, well to run it I suppose we only need dummies, like on N950... | 11:27 |
| mece | xruxa, how is the performance? Did you try GoF2 or Shift or some other heavy stuff? | 11:28 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3084 Rejected promotion request | 11:31 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3087 Rejected promotion request | 12:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl | 12:47 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 12:47 | |
| Stskeeps | 1.16.6/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | [ 44%] /usr/bin/cmake -E cmake_progress_report /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/xmlrpc-c-1.16.6/fedora/CMakeFiles 86 | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILD/xmlrpc-c-1.16.6/lib/curl_transport/xmlrpc_curl_transport.c:86:24: fatal error: curl/types.h: No such file or directory | 12:47 |
| Sage | hmmp | 12:48 |
| Sage | ah | 12:48 |
| Sage | heheh I know what is wrong | 12:48 |
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| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3088 waiting for review at https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/3088 | 12:51 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: or not | 12:53 |
| Sage | ok, will check later at somepoint | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:53 |
| veskuh | Sage: Did you drop gdk-pixbuf-2.0 from tumbler build-reqs? | 12:57 |
| Sage | everything gtk related went away ;) | 12:58 |
| Sage | so yes | 12:59 |
| xruxa | explains no thumbails for images ;) | 12:59 |
| veskuh | tumbler warns: Failed to load the cache plugin "tumbler-cache-plugin.so": /usr/lib/tumbler-1/plugins/cache/tumbler-cache-plugin.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory | 12:59 |
| veskuh | on startup | 12:59 |
| veskuh | and when I take a look at acinclude.m4 there is this: http://pastie.org/2866858 | 12:59 |
| the-boss | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#3088 Accepted promotion request | 13:00 |
| veskuh | so without gdk-pixbuf it disables tumbler_xdg_cache | 13:00 |
| Sage | hmmp | 13:00 |
| veskuh | and thus no cache, and without cache it does nothing. | 13:00 |
| Sage | so adding libpng dep would fix that | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | it's really difficult to get rid of gtk.. | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:00 |
| xruxa | I can't believe Harmattan ships with such dependencies, and not more clean Qt-only codebase :( | 13:01 |
| Sage | or do I read taht correctly? if gdk fails, it tries libpng and if that fails it tries libpng12 | 13:01 |
| Sage | and if all fail it just says no. | 13:01 |
| * Sage is not good reading m4 files | 13:02 | |
| atha | that libcurl error is about http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3357929&group_id=976&atid=100976 , empty file removed a few months ago from curl headers | 13:03 |
| Sage | atha: thx | 13:03 |
| veskuh | the other side of the tumbler saga is that on harmattan we use quill and there is slightly forked tumbler, with quill plugins obviously.. and the one in meego is pure upstream so it has not that option.. | 13:05 |
| veskuh | so this would be harmattan tumbler: https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/tumbler | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | there was some discussion on harmattan tumbler and upstreaming | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | when it entered meego | 13:07 |
| veskuh | yep, I remember that, the solution was I guess to change the numbering and synch with upstream, but the additional plugins did not end up in upstream apparently. | 13:07 |
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| * Stskeeps stresses his new builder machine a bit | 13:09 | |
| Stskeeps | 5 obs workers, jobs running: qtwebkit, gcc, qt, qt, qt | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:09 |
| xruxa | all the bad boys | 13:19 |
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| veskuh | Installed gtk+debs+tumbler from meego 1.2 and then photos started to work. Perhaps we should come up with some other gallery app instead of pulling all these things in. | 14:21 |
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| w00t | veskuh: it's on my todo list, somewhere :) | 14:27 |
| w00t | i just need to find an extra few hours in a day, or stop with having to go places so i can hack instead :P | 14:27 |
| veskuh | Actually, xruxa's flickr app might be a good starting point for also on-device gallery app. | 14:28 |
| veskuh | w00t: heh, you have done plenty anyway.. | 14:29 |
| * Stskeeps clones w00t | 14:30 | |
| w00t | Stskeeps: one to work on the backend, two to work on the frontend, that should be plenty :) | 14:30 |
| xruxa | veskuh: true. I had plan for load of new apps - including gallery and SMS rewrite, but those apps are much more difficult to do than the Flickr or Maps we did already | 14:47 |
| w00t | faenil was going to look at doing sms | 14:48 |
| * xruxa running RipOff on N900 ... gaming time! | 14:48 | |
| w00t | might be an idea to poke him and see whether he's had time to start to poke at it yet | 14:48 |
| xruxa | Good to know, better to have two people than no one | 14:48 |
| xruxa | I have 'ui spec' for gallery, draft for Contacts, nothing for SMS yet. | 14:49 |
| w00t | how do you do your specs? | 14:49 |
| xruxa | w00t: have two people tell me what to put there, then cut 80% of features away and make one SVG file with graphical idea on how it should look like :) | 14:50 |
| w00t | might be nice to have a repo or something to plop things like that so everyone can poke around with 'em | 14:51 |
| w00t | I would like to do similar work with my layouts, but lack the pieces to put them together with, heh | 14:52 |
| w00t | so I just end up writing the QML | 14:52 |
| xruxa | w00t: I proposed it already to my 'boss'. See no harm - without it hard to get help | 14:52 |
| w00t | yes :) | 14:53 |
| xruxa | e.g. the maps were done based on this 'spec' http://dl.dropbox.com/u/42376952/maps.png (was SVG, not PNG of course) | 14:54 |
| w00t | mhm | 14:55 |
| xruxa | i.e. all the icons were in the file, as SVG so that one can just sit down and hack it together. Figured out this does not scale well for more complex apps though. | 14:55 |
| veskuh | xruxa: is the current location button already bound to functionality? So is the platform broken or app not ready? | 14:56 |
| w00t | have you seen the gimp-to-qml tool? | 14:56 |
| w00t | comes in a bit handy :) | 14:56 |
| xruxa | veskuh: should be (TM) | 14:56 |
| xruxa | w00t: no, sounds funny | 14:57 |
| w00t | xruxa: http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/10/19/exporting-qml-from-photoshop-and-gimp/ | 14:57 |
| veskuh | xruxa: ok | 14:57 |
| xruxa | veskuh: patches welcome ;) | 14:57 |
| veskuh | xruxa: yep, but for this i'd guess that platform not ready. | 14:58 |
| xruxa | w00t: that is almost a statement on the usefullness of the QtCreator's design tool - I though it was not that bad | 14:58 |
| * xruxa going outside to test the Maps | 14:59 | |
| w00t | xruxa: at the time, it wasn't as good | 14:59 |
| w00t | I still just write mine by hand | 14:59 |
| w00t | but have done 1-2 complex layouts with gimp | 14:59 |
| xruxa | veskuh: true, it does not go anywhere when I press it, but then again, getting GPS fix takes like 10 minutes for me :( | 15:00 |
| veskuh | xruxa: yep, there was some talk about getting the assisted gps as binary blop but I do not remember what was the conclusion | 15:01 |
| * xruxa has six random 3rd party apps from N9 running on Nemo/N900. Seven did not run. Not too bad! | 15:02 | |
| w00t | xruxa: how's performance? | 15:03 |
| w00t | (I guess it'll be better when the graphicssystem hackery is in and there's a bit more ram, but still) | 15:04 |
| xruxa | w00t: simple ones (QML) rock, two games are okay, visibly slower than N9 | 15:04 |
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| Sage | evening | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | evening sage | 16:11 |
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| Sage | so two solutions for the curl thing. A) readd that empty .h file b) fix other packages not to include it | 16:14 |
| Sage | I would prefer the solution b | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't it only xmlrpc-c messing up? | 16:15 |
| Sage | that .h file has been empty 7 years so they really should have fixed that long time ago :D | 16:15 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 16:15 |
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| matrixx | Themechanger now built for Nemo | 16:22 |
| matrixx | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/matrixx:/themechanger-nemo/CE_Apps_MTF_CE_MW_MTF_armv7l/ if someone wants to check out | 16:22 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: have newwer xmlrpc-c with curl patch included cooking in my branch | 16:23 |
| Sage | there is even newer xmlrpc-c but I stayed with the super stable branch this time | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | what depends on xmlrpc-c anyway? | 16:27 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, cmake | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | and that support is disabled.. | 16:30 |
| * Stskeeps adds xmlrpc-c to the death list | 16:30 | |
| Stskeeps | don't bother with xmlrpc-c, i'll kill it in next mer release probably | 16:31 |
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| Sage | dude :D | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | it's better to find stuff we really don't need ;) | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | less effort in future | 16:34 |
| Sage | true, ok will not bother with that then | 16:34 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: otherwise those my submits are ok I guess? | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | waiting for results of builds but so far so goo | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | d | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | my tiny system was overwhelmed by all the contributions so :) | 16:45 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: :) | 17:00 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: when you are planing of doing next mer release? | 17:00 |
| Sage | Asking if I can get the package-group changes included if I submit those tomorrow. | 17:01 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: it really depends on when things stop building :P | 17:18 |
| Stskeeps | so let's see | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | i haven't even started building the next release, it's all been merge requets | 17:22 |
| Stskeeps | regarding releases: the idea is that releases will eventually roll/release on their own, right now the automation isn't there just yet | 17:26 |
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| pyther | Hi | 17:49 |
| pyther | I attempted to install nemo to my ssd card, everything seemed to go okay, but when I attempted to boot a got a kernel panic stating it coulnd't find the / fs | 17:49 |
| pyther | I tried the 2011-11-.10.1 release | 17:50 |
| beford | just a guess, wrong sd card, the downloaded file was corrupt, back of phone open? | 17:54 |
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| pyther | beford: yah the back of the phone was open, I guess the ssd isn't detected when the back is open? | 18:03 |
| Stskeeps | correct | 18:04 |
| pyther | yep that was the problem, seems to be booting now | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | is a magnet sensor so | 18:04 |
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| * KaIRC has a good day - installed a nemo image on the microSD of his N900 and ordered his future N9 | 20:39 | |
| Stskeeps | cool | 20:40 |
| KaIRC | I hope that stuff from this new YouTube video will land in a nemo image I can install soon :) | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | i think gesture to switch is already in | 20:41 |
| KaIRC | I guess the N900 could get mostly a testing device for me once the N9 runs as I like it | 20:41 |
| KaIRC | nicely I'm in a country where I can just buy an N9 :) | 20:42 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: got some thoughts on integrating runtime graphicssystem yet? ;) | 20:49 |
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