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| Stskeeps | lbt: so i'm pondering if we somehow can avoid combining the old tarball-in-git repos and new source-in-git repos and how we'd do that with mds and so on | 09:14 |
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| Stskeeps | ideally i'd make a break with some mer release in the invidual git repos, maybe.. | 09:14 |
| lbt | *nod* | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | one part of me says JFDI and break; other one tells me to be careful.. | 09:15 |
| lbt | and I'd like to ensure we use a tar git approach which doesn't lose sha1 trail | 09:15 |
| lbt | the squash commit approach is insecure afaict | 09:15 |
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| Stskeeps | nod, not the issue at hand though.. for example: qtbase, doesn't make much sense to host several mbs of qtbase snapshots | 09:16 |
| lbt | I had intended to essentially reproduce the tar ball at a binary level | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | so instead of setting up packages-git/ mirroring, we'd make a new location for mirroring and that'd be the break | 09:17 |
| lbt | theoretically you could replicate the old snaps | 09:17 |
| lbt | actually it's more than theoretical - but the effort may not be worth it | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | that reminds me.. | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | hrm, why did that work now | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/curl/merge_requests/2/diffs didn't work before but now it did | 09:19 |
| lbt | given the delay since the last release I think doing the next one on discrete git repos makes sense | 09:19 |
| lbt | Mer 3.0 | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | am looking how to start the merging work, so | 09:20 |
| lbt | nb .. this should be our last change in git storage format - hence raising the sha1 issue | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | and a lot of it starts with qt | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | can you elaborate the sha1 trail stuff just so we're on same page? | 09:22 |
| lbt | one of the git storage approaches does a git squash | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:23 |
| lbt | the commit message has a 'squashed from <sha1>' | 09:23 |
| lbt | however .. that's fakeable | 09:23 |
| lbt | and the sha1 doesn't match any upstream | 09:23 |
| lbt | so the sha1 crypt trail is lost | 09:23 |
| lbt | I could add code into that (huge) squash quite trivially | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | are you sure about that sha1 doesn't match any upstream? | 09:24 |
| lbt | it's theoretically verifiable - but would need extra | 09:24 |
| lbt | yes | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | we can agree it's fakeable | 09:24 |
| lbt | the squash commit sha1 != upstream | 09:24 |
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| lbt | am I being clear? | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | sortof, trusting but verifying.. | 09:25 |
| lbt | well hmm | 09:25 |
| lbt | that would be the case for every package which is basically done upstream | 09:25 |
| lbt | every time we do a squash ... and for every squash message - we'd need to unpack upstream - checksum the entire src tree, unpack squashed tree, checksum it ... | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | something has to be there though, take a look at https://github.com/mer-packages/qtbase/commit/e8a80f27c6154fb39634b5f6d0bed6b6d81f69fe | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | and i can find those commits upstream | 09:27 |
| lbt | also we'd need to do it on a file basis since a tree would actually be collisionable | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | and within tree | 09:27 |
| lbt | hmm maybe a PoC | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | so i'm not confident that 'sha1 doesn't match any upstream' | 09:28 |
| lbt | ah | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | that crypt trail might be lost, that may be another matter | 09:28 |
| lbt | commit some bad code on top of that; now do a silent git squash in rebase... how to spot the bad code? | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, that sounds like something that can be verified, though | 09:29 |
| lbt | no, it couldn't | 09:29 |
| lbt | think about it | 09:29 |
| lbt | nowhere else on the planet has the sha1 of the 'squash' | 09:30 |
| lbt | sha1's commits do not predict the sha1 of a sum of commits | 09:30 |
| lbt | :) | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | true | 09:30 |
| lbt | every time we do a squash ... and for every squash message - we'd need to unpack upstream - checksum the entire src tree, unpack squashed tree, checksum it ... | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm.. | 09:30 |
| lbt | that's what I meant by ^^^ | 09:30 |
| lbt | or - don't squash | 09:31 |
| lbt | I don't really see the point anyhow | 09:31 |
| lbt | it simply loses access to history which is rude | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | but take a look at the commit above, the history is obviously there | 09:31 |
| lbt | I mean it's kinda audited for a log - but you can't go look at them | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | as in, individualcommits | 09:31 |
| lbt | :) | 09:31 |
| lbt | yes | 09:31 |
| lbt | well, you can ... but it's convoluted = confusion and raises barrier | 09:32 |
| lbt | I mean barrier to entry | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | so the problem is the squashing? | 09:33 |
| lbt | yes | 09:33 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 09:34 | |
| Stskeeps | okay, i will take a look ati t | 09:34 |
| lbt | I wonder if the approach I used in gitpkg could fit into tar-git | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | from a review pov i'd much rather have a squash, though | 09:35 |
| lbt | I'd rather say "ok, our patches now apply onto this upstream sha1" | 09:35 |
| lbt | and have a crypto connection | 09:35 |
| lbt | since now I know that every commit has been reviewed and I only care about the sha1-A to sha1-B check | 09:36 |
| lbt | (Qt anyhow) | 09:36 |
| lbt | pristine is similar though | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | ok, it seems like removing --squash still does the right thing | 09:37 |
| lbt | ability to checksum the tarball matches that | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | i do, though, worry about reviewability of let's say, a qt5.2 to qt5.2.1 | 09:38 |
| lbt | trust upstream | 09:38 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but i'm pretty sure gitlab will catch fire :) | 09:38 |
| * lbt thinks | 09:39 | |
| Stskeeps | hrrm. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | and it doesn't help much if there's 1000+ commits to individually review; as you could just as well sneak something in there.. | 09:40 |
| lbt | no, you can't :) | 09:40 |
| lbt | sha1 trail | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | yes, sure, but, humans lazy | 09:40 |
| lbt | no | 09:40 |
| lbt | the sha1 literally won't match | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | humans very lazy | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:40 |
| lbt | each one builds on the one below | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | but, i'm talking about receiving a merge request from 5.2 to 5.2.1 | 09:40 |
| lbt | right | 09:40 |
| lbt | so.... was thinking | 09:41 |
| lbt | 5.2 to 5.2.1 should not need a review and should not be hard | 09:41 |
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| Stskeeps | i do think we probably should have some degree of merge request validators | 09:41 |
| lbt | it's not the same process as applying a patch | 09:41 |
| lbt | so it should be a 'bump master to match upstream' | 09:41 |
| lbt | kinda thing | 09:41 |
| lbt | and that should have new master sha1 reference (upstream) | 09:42 |
| lbt | then there's 'apply our patches to new master' | 09:42 |
| lbt | if we have 1000s of patches ... ouch | 09:42 |
| lbt | we should be comparing diffs from 'previously OK' to now | 09:43 |
| lbt | that's the review process | 09:43 |
| lbt | some diffs won't apply | 09:43 |
| lbt | so they'll need a tweak and review | 09:43 |
| lbt | this is a different process to 'apply a patch to fix an issue' | 09:44 |
| lbt | and we should recognise that | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | fair | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | we probably need to make a page on packaging anyhow | 09:45 |
| lbt | so ... upshot - we should be able to skip the mega review in gitlab .. phew :) | 09:45 |
| lbt | but I think there's a new step of 'compare patchset' | 09:45 |
| lbt | and that is not crypto safe | 09:45 |
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| lbt | however... it *may* be good enough to be externally reproducable | 09:46 |
| lbt | ie a reviewer could do the same rebase and get the same results | 09:46 |
| kimmoli | btw, is gitlab any good? | 09:46 |
| lbt | god I hope so! | 09:46 |
| lbt | yeah - we like it and it's OSS | 09:47 |
| lbt | so Stskeeps, I think that's something to add to the process docs | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 09:47 |
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| Stskeeps | let's discuss a bit after meeting | 09:47 |
| lbt | nb alexander(?) ... from nokia times, now at meego... | 09:47 |
| lbt | err tizen | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | sasha? | 09:48 |
| lbt | yes - ty - said they're using upstream gitbuildpackage to good effect and it's supported in upstream obs too | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | yeah i showed you the slideset in last years fosdem | 09:48 |
| lbt | forgot his nick :) | 09:48 |
| lbt | yep | 09:48 |
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| * lbt looks for the PSA on meeting start ... grrr | 10:22 | |
| Stskeeps | there was a few | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | including your phone calendar | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:23 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | when building an linux kernel with osc build is there no way to turn on even more "verbose" than make V=s uImage, I am stuck with this: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=kernel-adaptation-bbb&project=home:mike7b4:bbb&repository=latest_armv7hl no clue what actually fails with RPM | 11:01 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | V=1* I meant... | 11:02 |
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| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: but you had it compiling fine last week | 11:51 |
| sledges | what did you change? | 11:51 |
| sledges | (kernel-adaptation-sample) | 11:51 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | sledges: that was 3.8.x I want to test 3.12.x since it has better (but still not good) support for SGX driver | 11:54 |
| sledges | hummmm | 11:55 |
| sledges | what had possible gone wrong in just attempt to build it? | 11:55 |
| sledges | toolchain? | 11:56 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | sledges: yes could be toolchain. git://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev.git builds using gnuabihf. And mer using armv7hl-meego ... | 12:06 |
| sledges | yay | 12:06 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | I tought hf meant hardfloat? and arm7hl also hardfloat? | 12:07 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | thought* | 12:08 |
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| sledges | sometimes even gcc version makes the difference.. | 12:09 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | yeah... | 12:10 |
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| vgrade_ | mike7b4_on_x230: /bin/sh: bc: command not found is what I can see | 13:52 |
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| vgrade_ | was discussed here also http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2014-03-13.log.html | 13:56 |
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| lbt | vgrade_: should the kernel have a BR of /usr/bin/bc (or something) | 13:58 |
| vgrade_ | looks like it | 13:58 |
| vgrade_ | I see bc is available in mer-tools | 13:59 |
| lbt | Stskeeps should that be in core - I think we can argue that it's not needed to build core | 14:00 |
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| lbt | and other HAL BR (like android tools) are in mer-tools | 14:01 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | vgrade_: yay thats was long before it said builderror, have to check that thanks :) | 14:13 |
| vgrade_ | mike7b4_on_x230: I always search for " error" , note the leading space | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: here's a thought.. should we reevaluate mer and mer tools seperation? | 14:14 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | Yeah sounds like a good idea. | 14:14 |
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| fk_lx | "end of your work" (zdecyduj się czy piszesz jako we czy jako you i tego się trzymaj) | 16:10 |
| fk_lx | (wtedy może być our, ale ciągle mieszanie we, you nie jest dobre) | 16:10 |
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| ulf` | Hi | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | fk_lx: english please | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | moo ulf` | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | how are things? | 16:11 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps! | 16:11 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: pretty good :) | 16:11 |
| fk_lx | sorry wrong channel | 16:11 |
| fk_lx | that was kind of remark regarding blog post of a friend | 16:11 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 16:12 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: You guys are using the QT Wayland backend at Jolla right? | 16:12 |
| fk_lx | he wanted some feedback regarding the langugage | 16:12 |
| fk_lx | *language | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | ulf`: yeah, it's in production in our device | 16:12 |
| fk_lx | so sorry, wrong window | 16:12 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: I was wondering if you could look at a bug to see if this issue rings a bell | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | ulf`: sure | 16:12 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: https://bugs.tizen.org/jira/browse/PTREL-792 | 16:12 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: Hope you can see it | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i haven't added *tizen.org 127.0.0.1 to my hosts file .. ;) | 16:13 |
| ulf` | lol | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | hrrmm | 16:13 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: I was thinking you probably had to deal with this as well | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | not directly, i've managed to avoid multimedia duties, but.. sec | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | at a general thought it feels like you don't have any wayland enabled video sinks in gst | 16:16 |
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| Stskeeps | just looking at what we do | 16:16 |
| ulf` | Well I can play the video fine using gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=videofile.mp4 | 16:17 |
| ulf` | So that part works | 16:17 |
| Stskeeps | hang on, gotta help put son in bath, brb 5 min | 16:18 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/mer-packages/qtmultimedia is our tree, fwiw | 16:18 |
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| iluminator105 | what is a mer compatible phone? | 16:24 |
| Stskeeps | well, any android device these days.. | 16:25 |
| SK_work | Stskeeps: if hadk is out | 16:26 |
| Stskeeps | 2nod | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | ulf`: i'm not confident we use that codepath whatsoever | 16:27 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: adenexter isn't on IRC? | 16:27 |
| ulf` | Stskeeps: And another question would be if his work made it upstream | 16:28 |
| Stskeeps | i think we try as much as we can though be aware we're a heathen android codecs/gralloc mixed with glibc stack | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | denexter: ^ | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | but he's likely not awake atm | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | being in australia and whatnot | 16:30 |
| ulf` | Not an excuse ;) | 16:32 |
| ulf` | just kidding | 16:32 |
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| iluminator105 | SK_work, what is hadk | 16:55 |
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| SK_work | iluminator105: hardware adaptation dev kit, used to port Mer / Nemo / SFOS to Android devices | 16:57 |
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| iluminator105 | is moto g mer compatible | 17:02 |
| SK_work | iluminator105: is moto g cyanogen 10.3 compatible ? | 17:03 |
| iluminator105 | i am not a fan of cyanogen | 17:07 |
| SK_work | iluminator105: cyanogen is used by HADK | 17:08 |
| SK_work | if cyanogen is supported, Mer / Nemo / SFOS is likely | 17:08 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 22:37 |
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| denexter | ulf`: the no m_videoSink warning doesn't have anything to do with the crash, the gstreamer backend constructs objects for two different rendering paths on startup but the qml item ignores the one which produces the warning and instead prefers the path which supports compositing. | 23:42 |
| denexter | ulf`: the backtrace suggests gstreamer is crashing converting video frames from NV12 which qml renderer doesn't support to YUV420P which it does, that plus the critical warnings gstreamer is producing suggest the decoder maybe is emitting bad frames? | 23:44 |
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