Tuesday, 2014-05-06

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Stskeepslbt: so i'm pondering if we somehow can avoid combining the old tarball-in-git repos and new source-in-git repos and how we'd do that with mds and so on09:14
Stskeepsideally i'd make a break with some mer release in the invidual git repos, maybe..09:14
lbt*nod*09:14
Stskeepsone part of me says JFDI and break; other one tells me to be careful..09:15
lbtand I'd like to ensure we use a tar git approach which doesn't lose sha1 trail09:15
lbtthe squash commit approach is insecure afaict09:15
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Stskeepsnod, not the issue at hand though.. for example: qtbase, doesn't make much sense to host several mbs of qtbase snapshots09:16
lbtI had intended to essentially reproduce the tar ball at a binary level09:16
Stskeepsso instead of setting up packages-git/ mirroring, we'd make a new location for mirroring and that'd be the break09:17
lbttheoretically you could replicate the old snaps09:17
lbtactually it's more than theoretical - but the effort may not be worth it09:17
Stskeepsthat reminds me..09:17
Stskeepshrm, why did that work now09:18
Stskeepshttps://git.merproject.org/mer-core/curl/merge_requests/2/diffs didn't work before but now it did09:19
lbtgiven the delay since the last release I think doing the next one on discrete git repos makes sense09:19
lbtMer 3.009:20
Stskeepsnod09:20
Stskeepsam looking how to start the merging work, so09:20
lbtnb .. this should be our last change in git storage format - hence raising the sha1 issue09:21
Stskeepsand a lot of it starts with qt09:21
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Stskeepscan you elaborate the sha1 trail stuff just so we're on same page?09:22
lbtone of the git storage approaches does a git squash09:22
Stskeepsright09:23
lbtthe commit message has a 'squashed from <sha1>'09:23
lbthowever .. that's fakeable09:23
lbtand the sha1 doesn't match any upstream09:23
lbtso the sha1 crypt trail is lost09:23
lbtI could add code into that (huge) squash quite trivially09:23
Stskeepsare you sure about that sha1 doesn't match any upstream?09:24
lbtit's theoretically verifiable - but would need extra09:24
lbtyes09:24
Stskeepswe can agree it's fakeable09:24
lbtthe squash commit sha1 != upstream09:24
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lbtam I being clear?09:25
Stskeepssortof, trusting but verifying..09:25
lbtwell hmm09:25
lbtthat would be the case for every package which is basically done upstream09:25
lbtevery time we do a squash ... and for every squash message - we'd need to unpack upstream - checksum the entire src tree, unpack squashed tree, checksum it ...09:27
Stskeepssomething has to be there though, take a look at https://github.com/mer-packages/qtbase/commit/e8a80f27c6154fb39634b5f6d0bed6b6d81f69fe09:27
Stskeepsand i can find those commits upstream09:27
lbtalso we'd need to do it on a file basis since a tree would actually be collisionable09:27
Stskeepsand within tree09:27
lbthmm maybe a PoC09:28
Stskeepsso i'm not confident that 'sha1 doesn't match any upstream'09:28
lbtah09:28
Stskeepsthat crypt trail might be lost, that may be another matter09:28
lbtcommit some bad code on top of that; now do a silent git squash in rebase... how to spot the bad code?09:29
Stskeepswell, that sounds like something that can be verified, though09:29
lbtno, it couldn't09:29
lbtthink about it09:29
lbtnowhere else on the planet has the sha1 of the 'squash'09:30
lbtsha1's commits do not predict the sha1 of a sum of commits09:30
lbt:)09:30
Stskeepstrue09:30
lbtevery time we do a squash ... and for every squash message - we'd need to unpack upstream - checksum the entire src tree, unpack squashed tree, checksum it ...09:30
Stskeepshmmm..09:30
lbtthat's what I meant by ^^^09:30
lbtor - don't squash09:31
lbtI don't really see the point anyhow09:31
lbtit simply loses access to history which is rude09:31
Stskeepsbut take a look at the commit above, the history is obviously there09:31
lbtI mean it's kinda audited for a log - but you can't go look at them09:31
Stskeepsas in, individualcommits09:31
lbt:)09:31
lbtyes09:31
lbtwell, you can ... but it's convoluted = confusion and raises barrier09:32
lbtI mean barrier to entry09:32
Stskeepsso the problem is the squashing?09:33
lbtyes09:33
* Stskeeps ponders idly09:34
Stskeepsokay, i will take a look ati t09:34
lbtI wonder if the approach I used in gitpkg could fit into tar-git09:34
Stskeepsfrom a review pov i'd much rather have a squash, though09:35
lbtI'd rather say "ok, our patches now apply onto this upstream sha1"09:35
lbtand have a crypto connection09:35
lbtsince now I know that every commit has been reviewed and I only care about the sha1-A to sha1-B check09:36
lbt(Qt anyhow)09:36
lbtpristine is similar though09:36
Stskeepsok, it seems like removing --squash still does the right thing09:37
lbtability to checksum the tarball matches that09:37
Stskeepsi do, though, worry about reviewability of let's say, a qt5.2 to qt5.2.109:38
lbttrust upstream09:38
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Stskeepsyeah, but i'm pretty sure gitlab will catch fire :)09:38
* lbt thinks09:39
Stskeepshrrm.09:39
Stskeepsand it doesn't help much if there's 1000+ commits to individually review; as you could just as well sneak something in there..09:40
lbtno, you can't :)09:40
lbtsha1 trail09:40
Stskeepsyes, sure, but, humans lazy09:40
lbtno09:40
lbtthe sha1 literally won't match09:40
Stskeepshumans very lazy09:40
Stskeeps:P09:40
Stskeepsok09:40
lbteach one builds on the one below09:40
Stskeepsbut, i'm talking about receiving a merge request from 5.2 to 5.2.109:40
lbtright09:40
lbtso.... was thinking09:41
lbt5.2 to 5.2.1 should not need a review and should not be hard09:41
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Stskeepsi do think we probably should have some degree of merge request validators09:41
lbtit's not the same process as applying a patch09:41
lbtso it should be a 'bump master to match upstream'09:41
lbtkinda thing09:41
lbtand that should have new master sha1 reference (upstream)09:42
lbtthen there's 'apply our patches to new master'09:42
lbtif we have 1000s of patches ... ouch09:42
lbtwe should be comparing diffs from 'previously OK' to now09:43
lbtthat's the review process09:43
lbtsome diffs won't apply09:43
lbtso they'll need a tweak and review09:43
lbtthis is a different process to 'apply a patch to fix an issue'09:44
lbtand we should recognise that09:44
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Stskeepsfair09:44
Stskeepswe probably need to make a page on packaging anyhow09:45
lbtso ... upshot - we should be able to skip the mega review in gitlab .. phew :)09:45
lbtbut I think there's a new step of 'compare patchset'09:45
lbtand that is not crypto safe09:45
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lbthowever... it *may* be good enough to be externally reproducable09:46
lbtie a reviewer could do the same rebase and get the same results09:46
kimmolibtw, is gitlab any good?09:46
lbtgod I hope so!09:46
lbtyeah - we like it and it's OSS09:47
lbtso Stskeeps, I think that's something to add to the process docs09:47
Stskeepsnod09:47
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Stskeepslet's discuss a bit after meeting09:47
lbtnb alexander(?) ... from nokia times, now at meego...09:47
lbterr tizen09:47
Stskeepssasha?09:48
lbtyes - ty - said they're using upstream gitbuildpackage to good effect and it's supported in upstream obs too09:48
Stskeepsyeah i showed you the slideset in last years fosdem09:48
lbtforgot his nick :)09:48
lbtyep09:48
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* lbt looks for the PSA on meeting start ... grrr10:22
Stskeepsthere was a few10:23
Stskeepsincluding your phone calendar10:23
Stskeeps:P10:23
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mike7b4_on_x230when building an linux kernel with osc build is there no way to turn on even more "verbose" than make V=s uImage, I am stuck with this: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=kernel-adaptation-bbb&project=home:mike7b4:bbb&repository=latest_armv7hl no clue what actually fails with RPM11:01
mike7b4_on_x230V=1* I meant...11:02
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sledgesmike7b4_on_x230: but you had it compiling fine last week11:51
sledgeswhat did you change?11:51
sledges(kernel-adaptation-sample)11:51
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mike7b4_on_x230sledges: that was 3.8.x I want to test 3.12.x since it has better (but still not good) support for SGX driver11:54
sledgeshummmm11:55
sledgeswhat had possible gone wrong in just attempt to build it?11:55
sledgestoolchain?11:56
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mike7b4_on_x230sledges: yes could be toolchain. git://github.com/RobertCNelson/linux-dev.git builds using gnuabihf. And mer using armv7hl-meego ...12:06
sledgesyay12:06
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mike7b4_on_x230I tought hf meant hardfloat? and arm7hl also hardfloat?12:07
mike7b4_on_x230thought*12:08
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sledgessometimes even gcc version makes the difference..12:09
mike7b4_on_x230yeah...12:10
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vgrade_mike7b4_on_x230: /bin/sh: bc: command not found is what I can see13:52
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vgrade_was discussed here also http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2014-03-13.log.html13:56
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lbtvgrade_: should the kernel have a BR of /usr/bin/bc (or something)13:58
vgrade_looks like it13:58
vgrade_I see bc is available in mer-tools13:59
lbtStskeeps should that be in core - I think we can argue that it's not needed to build core14:00
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lbtand other HAL BR (like android tools) are in mer-tools14:01
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mike7b4_on_x230vgrade_: yay thats was long before it said builderror, have to check that thanks :)14:13
vgrade_mike7b4_on_x230: I always search for " error" , note the leading space14:13
Stskeepslbt: here's a thought.. should we reevaluate mer and mer tools seperation?14:14
mike7b4_on_x230Yeah sounds like a good idea.14:14
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fk_lx"end of your work" (zdecyduj się czy piszesz jako we czy jako you i tego się trzymaj)16:10
fk_lx(wtedy może być our, ale ciągle mieszanie we, you nie jest dobre)16:10
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ulf`Hi16:11
Stskeepsfk_lx: english please16:11
Stskeepsmoo ulf`16:11
Stskeepshow are things?16:11
ulf`Stskeeps!16:11
ulf`Stskeeps: pretty good :)16:11
fk_lxsorry wrong channel16:11
fk_lxthat was kind of remark regarding blog post of a friend16:11
Stskeepsnod16:12
ulf`Stskeeps: You guys are using the QT Wayland backend at Jolla right?16:12
fk_lxhe wanted some feedback regarding the langugage16:12
fk_lx*language16:12
Stskeepsulf`: yeah, it's in production in our device16:12
fk_lxso sorry, wrong window16:12
ulf`Stskeeps: I was wondering if you could look at a bug to see if this issue rings a bell16:12
Stskeepsulf`: sure16:12
ulf`Stskeeps: https://bugs.tizen.org/jira/browse/PTREL-79216:12
ulf`Stskeeps: Hope you can see it16:12
Stskeepsyeah, i haven't added *tizen.org 127.0.0.1 to my hosts file .. ;)16:13
ulf`lol16:13
Stskeepshrrmm16:13
ulf`Stskeeps: I was thinking you probably had to deal with this as well16:14
Stskeepsnot directly, i've managed to avoid multimedia duties, but.. sec16:14
Stskeepsat a general thought it feels like you don't have any wayland enabled video sinks in gst16:16
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Stskeepsjust looking at what we do16:16
ulf`Well I can play the video fine using gst-launch-1.0 playbin uri=videofile.mp416:17
ulf`So that part works16:17
Stskeepshang on, gotta help put son in bath, brb 5 min16:18
Stskeepshttps://github.com/mer-packages/qtmultimedia is our tree, fwiw16:18
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iluminator105what is a mer compatible phone?16:24
Stskeepswell, any android device these days..16:25
SK_workStskeeps: if hadk is out16:26
Stskeeps2nod16:27
Stskeepsulf`: i'm not confident we use that codepath whatsoever16:27
ulf`Stskeeps: adenexter isn't on IRC?16:27
ulf`Stskeeps: And another question would be if his work made it upstream16:28
Stskeepsi think we try as much as we can though be aware we're a heathen android codecs/gralloc mixed with glibc stack16:30
Stskeepsdenexter: ^16:30
Stskeepsbut he's likely not awake atm16:30
Stskeepsbeing in australia and whatnot16:30
ulf`Not an excuse ;)16:32
ulf`just kidding16:32
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iluminator105SK_work, what is hadk16:55
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SK_workiluminator105: hardware adaptation dev kit, used to port Mer / Nemo / SFOS to Android devices16:57
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iluminator105is moto g mer compatible17:02
SK_workiluminator105: is moto g cyanogen 10.3 compatible ?17:03
iluminator105i am not a fan of cyanogen17:07
SK_workiluminator105: cyanogen is used by HADK17:08
SK_workif cyanogen is supported, Mer / Nemo / SFOS is likely17:08
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CosmoHillnight night22:37
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denexterulf`: the no m_videoSink warning doesn't have anything to do with the crash, the gstreamer backend constructs objects for two different rendering paths on startup but the qml item ignores the one which produces the warning and instead prefers the path which supports compositing.23:42
denexterulf`: the backtrace suggests gstreamer is crashing converting video frames from NV12 which qml renderer doesn't support to YUV420P which it does, that plus the critical warnings gstreamer is producing suggest the decoder maybe is emitting bad frames?23:44

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