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| arcomivi | hi :-) | 10:00 |
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| arcomivi | screen orientation in VM i586: how do i find a package/RPM that provides .conf file for Monitor, where i can change the orientation? zypper wp does not work with not-installed files | 10:01 |
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| Anarky | lbt: that's weird, bc is installed, I can launch it from the shell, but I still got an error when I try to compile the kernel | 10:14 |
| Anarky | (/bin/sh: bc: command not found | 10:14 |
| Anarky | make[1]: *** [kernel/timeconst.h] Error 127) | 10:14 |
| Anarky | also I tried to symlink it in /bin, but it didn't change anything :/ | 10:14 |
| lbt | Anarky: :) | 10:17 |
| lbt | I tricked you by linking to the i486 one | 10:18 |
| lbt | my bad | 10:18 |
| lbt | you're building an arm kernel | 10:18 |
| lbt | so it needs to go into the arm target | 10:18 |
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| lbt | so https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Install_some_tools | 10:19 |
| lbt | using your target of course | 10:19 |
| lbt | (you can just run rpm -i http://<arm.rpm> ) | 10:20 |
| Anarky | okay, I was starting to have big doubts about that quantic bc-that-exists-but-not! | 10:21 |
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| Anarky | lbt: sorry to ask that, but is it normal that bc has ld-linux and libgcc_s as dependencies? | 10:28 |
| lbt | erp | 10:28 |
| Anarky | by their name I thought they were already installed | 10:28 |
| lbt | what command line are you using ? | 10:28 |
| Anarky | rpm -i http://[...].armv7hl.rpm | 10:29 |
| Anarky | but I don't think I should run it in the normal chroot... | 10:29 |
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| lbt | no | 10:31 |
| lbt | read around this area https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Install_some_tools | 10:31 |
| lbt | the entire page | 10:32 |
| Anarky | ok thanks | 10:33 |
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| Anarky | lbt: I'm very confused about all those chroot | 13:57 |
| lbt | Anarky: russian dolls :) | 13:58 |
| Anarky | as I understand it, you have the Platform SDK, which includes tools like osc | 13:58 |
| Anarky | if I launch a "osc build", I have a second chroot to build, which I can access through "osc chroot" | 13:58 |
| lbt | yes - maybe think of it as a super light Mer virtual machine | 13:59 |
| lbt | and tbh, osc is not used that much nowadays) | 13:59 |
| Anarky | but by mistake I did a "sb2" inside this chroot, and know I have a third chroot? | 13:59 |
| lbt | yes | 13:59 |
| bencoh | not used that much ? what do you use then ? :] | 13:59 |
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| lbt | Anarky: first off - don't panic - it's not that hard | 13:59 |
| lbt | Anarky: the platform SDK chroot gives us a known baseline on any distro | 14:00 |
| lbt | that's what it is for | 14:00 |
| lbt | now we need to compile for different devices running different OSes (Mer, nemo, sailfish) | 14:01 |
| lbt | each of them needs a set of libs/headers | 14:01 |
| lbt | so we make targets for each one | 14:01 |
| lbt | a target is like another kind of chroot | 14:01 |
| lbt | sb2 uses a target to give you that | 14:01 |
| lbt | bencoh: and that answers your question too | 14:02 |
| lbt | bencoh: it's not as clean as osc | 14:02 |
| lbt | but we then push the git and use git notifications to trigger a clean OBS build | 14:02 |
| lbt | so that's OK | 14:02 |
| bencoh | so you only use osc for yaml/spec/patches versioning ? | 14:02 |
| lbt | not even that now | 14:02 |
| bencoh | git only ? | 14:03 |
| lbt | yes | 14:03 |
| lbt | we use 'mb2' which is a wrapper around rpmbuild that uses sb2 to use a target | 14:03 |
| lbt | it's kinda like what osc build does | 14:03 |
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| lbt | but uses the same target everywhere | 14:04 |
| lbt | (which is ugly and causes build-depend errors !) | 14:04 |
| lbt | but devs are lazy sods | 14:04 |
| bencoh | :p | 14:04 |
| bencoh | does seem ugly indeed | 14:04 |
| lbt | and we don't take anything that OBS doesn't build | 14:04 |
| Anarky | so sb2 uses a target, and is itself a chroot? | 14:04 |
| bencoh | do I need a gerrit account for the git repo ? | 14:05 |
| lbt | bencoh: it's an acceptable compromise - you can have man targets | 14:05 |
| lbt | bencoh: no | 14:05 |
| lbt | and we're leaving gerrit soon | 14:05 |
| lbt | much is on github - but we're moving to git.merproject.org | 14:05 |
| lbt | Anarky: sb2 is a command | 14:05 |
| bencoh | hmm | 14:06 |
| lbt | Anarky: it works with a target to act a lot like a chroot | 14:06 |
| lbt | bencoh: part of Mer's goal is to provide systems that device vendors can use inhouse | 14:06 |
| lbt | hence gitlab | 14:06 |
| Anarky | ok, I guess I got it... | 14:06 |
| bencoh | lbt: I definitely appreciate the inhouse point ;) | 14:07 |
| Anarky | but I'm sorry, I don't know where to install bc then | 14:07 |
| lbt | Anarky: so it needs installing in the target | 14:07 |
| bencoh | (I miss being able to easily build everything from scratch) | 14:07 |
| lbt | bencoh: well yes | 14:07 |
| lbt | but that's not a good way to scale up | 14:07 |
| lbt | you end up with one-man-hacks | 14:08 |
| lbt | but I do appreciate that a) people are used to it and b) it's damned useful sometimes | 14:08 |
| bencoh | depends on the community, but ... yeah ;) | 14:08 |
| lbt | *nod* we're not really a gentoo or LFS replacement | 14:09 |
| Anarky | lbt: since I already started to build the kernel, I already have a target right? | 14:09 |
| lbt | Anarky: how did you start? | 14:09 |
| lbt | using sb2? | 14:09 |
| bencoh | lbt: I rather had OE in mind ;) | 14:09 |
| lbt | bencoh: yes - but we also like the discrete packages approach | 14:09 |
| Anarky | lbt: yes, with your readme on kernel-adaptation-sample | 14:09 |
| lbt | Anarky: so yes then | 14:09 |
| lbt | Anarky: the key is to use the -R -m sdk-install arguments mentioned in the wiki | 14:10 |
| lbt | they make sb2 act more like root | 14:10 |
| lbt | (the entire target is user owned, no root) | 14:10 |
| bencoh | lbt: so, if packages spec are moved to their own repo, where is the "list of packages" repo ? | 14:10 |
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| lbt | bencoh: we actually use git for the spec too | 14:11 |
| Anarky | lbt: well maybe I wrote a bad target name, but I got this error: "sb2: Error: Invalid mode 'sdk-install', aborting" | 14:11 |
| lbt | so the spec/packaging is kept on different branch | 14:11 |
| bencoh | lbt: yeah I mean, the ... "list" of available packages | 14:11 |
| lbt | bencoh: ah - http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ is not bad | 14:12 |
| bencoh | for human, but not for build scripts :)) | 14:12 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/list_public | 14:12 |
| bencoh | so obs is still used | 14:13 |
| bencoh | (and will) | 14:13 |
| lbt | oh, hugely | 14:13 |
| lbt | being used though - not 'mandatory for all uses' | 14:13 |
| bencoh | means it should only be seen as a build server and not a centralized versioning tool anymore ? | 14:14 |
| lbt | yes - it does influence versioning still - but far less than it used to | 14:15 |
| bencoh | I see | 14:15 |
| bencoh | hmm, btw, how can I get tar_git ? | 14:15 |
| lbt | good question ... | 14:15 |
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| bencoh | :] | 14:16 |
| lbt | it's buried in another package... I forget which | 14:16 |
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| lbt | I think it's in a webhook | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | https://github.com/MeeGoIntegration/boss-launcher-webhook/tree/master/src/service -- only really used on server side | 14:17 |
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| bencoh | thanks | 14:17 |
| Anarky | lbt: it means that everything I'm using right now will be changed soon? | 14:17 |
| bencoh | so I shouldn't be using it from osc at all (even for the time being) ? | 14:17 |
| bencoh | (targit I mean) | 14:17 |
| lbt | Anarky: no you're doing things the right way | 14:18 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: and the usage docs? | 14:19 |
| * lbt runs | 14:19 | |
| Anarky | lbt: so about my error it means I wrote a bad target name? | 14:19 |
| lbt | what was the command? | 14:19 |
| Anarky | "sb2 -t kernel-adaptation-sabrelite -m sdk-install -R zypper refresh" | 14:19 |
| lbt | yes | 14:20 |
| lbt | the target is the rootfs you're using | 14:20 |
| lbt | did you read that wiki page? | 14:21 |
| Anarky | yes, more than once, but I didn't understood everything | 14:21 |
| Anarky | lbt: because I let osc manages everything, I didn't have to create a target | 14:23 |
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| lbt | ah yes | 14:25 |
| lbt | you can use the standard mer target | 14:25 |
| * lbt looks for it | 14:25 | |
| lbt | Anarky: are you familiar with osc then ? | 14:26 |
| lbt | because afaicr there's no reason not to use it if you like it and know it | 14:26 |
| Anarky | lbt: not that much :/ | 14:26 |
| Anarky | right know I'm looking between the different pages of the mer wiki to understand how it works | 14:28 |
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| bencoh | (wiki needs love ;) | 14:29 |
| Anarky | I'm pretty new to the Mer/Nemo project :) | 14:29 |
| lbt | bencoh: always | 14:31 |
| lbt | Anarky: yeah - I'm a bit busy too so not paying 100% attention | 14:31 |
| Anarky | lbt: don't worry, I appreciate your help :) | 14:32 |
| Anarky | I can work on the u-boot adaptation | 14:33 |
| lbt | https://img.merproject.org/images/mer-targets/ | 14:33 |
| Anarky | thanks! | 14:35 |
| bencoh | hmm, any idea why git.merproject.org times out here ? | 14:36 |
| bencoh | (git.merproject.org[0: 176.9.28.103]: errno=Connection timed out according to git, or tar_git ...) | 14:36 |
| bencoh | (or telnet/netcat, for that matters) | 14:37 |
| lbt | hmm | 14:38 |
| lbt | WFM | 14:38 |
| lbt | doing what? | 14:38 |
| lbt | httpw? | 14:38 |
| lbt | s | 14:39 |
| bencoh | git://git.merproject.org/mer-core/zlib for instance | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | if you're reading our _service files, just replace them with http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/zlib for now | 14:39 |
| Stskeeps | that's the factual alias | 14:39 |
| * lbt giggles | 14:40 | |
| bencoh | hmm, alright, thx | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | we're a bit in transition that.. takes longer.. | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:40 |
| lbt | it's not that Stskeeps drives me beyond the brink of sanity ... | 14:40 |
| bencoh | yeah, I ... see :p | 14:40 |
| lbt | oh, well, yes, it is... | 14:40 |
| * Stskeeps puts on the giana sisters theme and goes back to coding.. | 14:41 | |
| lbt | please, no shell scripting... | 14:41 |
| bencoh | (hmm, the only thing is ... it kinda ruins the tar_git purpose, but anyway ;) | 14:42 |
| lbt | in what way ? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | bencoh: the whole _service based mer setup is a transitional thing | 14:42 |
| bencoh | need to edit the _service beforehand | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | we have a git config on the service server in obs | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 14:42 |
| lbt | yeah ... that's actually due to goo planning ahead | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | actually bbl, wife calling :/ | 14:42 |
| lbt | our git *will* move so it will become correct | 14:42 |
| Uninstall | hello * | 14:43 |
| lbt | *nod* the backend has a little hack to rewrite that url to the legacy url | 14:43 |
| lbt | hey Uninstall | 14:43 |
| bencoh | hmm :) | 14:44 |
| Uninstall | how's there? | 14:44 |
| Anarky | lbt: I have a little doubt, I can install the tar.bz2 or I should create a newer one with the kickstart file? | 14:45 |
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| lbt | Anarky: download ... the kickstart is just FYI | 14:46 |
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| lbt | Uninstall: good | 14:48 |
| lbt | Uninstall: working on the sailfish stuff announced at MWC which will allow me time to work on mer tools too | 14:50 |
| lbt | so that should help me get things into bit better shape | 14:51 |
| lbt | also [ol] has done good work on OBS | 14:51 |
| lbt | but it needs testing before I upgrade mer OBS | 14:51 |
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| lbt | so if you were to talk to him and try that.... :) | 14:51 |
| Bostik | I completely missed the MWC news, maybe I'll have some time to follow in near future again | 14:51 |
| lbt | hey Bostik | 14:51 |
| Bostik | good afternoon | 14:52 |
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| lbt | mainly that we're working on ports to android devices | 14:52 |
| Bostik | oh right, I must have seen something about that after all | 14:52 |
| Bostik | but it's a perfectly logical next step, libhybris already has some of the evil bits of adaptation covered | 14:53 |
| Bostik | and you do have people who should know their way around the RIL... | 14:54 |
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| lbt | :) | 14:55 |
| lbt | so yeah - and I got a talk accepted at ELC too | 14:55 |
| Bostik | congrats, or poor you? | 14:55 |
| lbt | both :) | 14:56 |
| Bostik | right :) | 14:56 |
| lbt | It's called : The #qt/#wayland/#systemd/#btrfs-phone ... the Jolla phone. | 14:57 |
| lbt | and basically the OSS backstory | 14:57 |
| Bostik | I should really find time to play with btrfs, I could simplify my untrusted-remote-backup with brtfs-send/btrfs-receive as the backend transfer logic | 14:57 |
| bencoh | nice title :p | 14:57 |
| lbt | playing with Lennart's gplus post where he called it "the #systemd phone" | 14:58 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: which particular announce? | 14:59 |
| lbt | Uninstall: no particular one afair | 14:59 |
| lbt | just the tweets and vids | 14:59 |
| Uninstall | ok | 15:00 |
| Uninstall | lbt: I think I'm going to merge soo all the changes required to get armv5tel building again | 15:00 |
| Uninstall | *soon | 15:00 |
| lbt | nice | 15:01 |
| Uninstall | sadly I didn't any progress with mic on a newer libzypp :/ | 15:01 |
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| lbt | oh, we did have an announce: http://jolla.com/media/documents/MWC_Jolla_announcement_FINAL.pdf | 15:02 |
| lbt | worth reading | 15:03 |
| lbt | Uninstall: I think I need to spend some time on mer bz and clean up so we can start using it for things like that | 15:03 |
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| Uninstall | what are our plans for the next mer release btw? | 15:04 |
| Uninstall | lbt: ok, I new that | 15:04 |
| lbt | :) | 15:04 |
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| lbt | Uninstall: updated systemd | 15:04 |
| lbt | move some nemo mw into core | 15:05 |
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| lbt | or maybe a non-release based on new infra first | 15:05 |
| Uninstall | lbt: I have some points about updated systemd | 15:05 |
| lbt | ok | 15:05 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: I would stuck on a older release with all the patches from Fedora | 15:05 |
| Uninstall | there is a release not too far from what we are using | 15:06 |
| Uninstall | that would allow mer to run on old hardware which runs 2.6.37 and kernels like that | 15:06 |
| Uninstall | by the way I would really like to see Qt 5.2 merged | 15:08 |
| bencoh | "that would allow mer to run on old hardware which runs 2.6.37" does that mean current mer doesnt run on n900 ? | 15:10 |
| Uninstall | bencoh: it does | 15:11 |
| Uninstall | bencoh: the main problem is that if you upgrade systemd version you might fail to work on older kernels | 15:11 |
| bencoh | well, I .... missed your point then | 15:11 |
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| Uninstall | because systemd requires a lot of features from newer kernels | 15:11 |
| lbt | Uninstall: yes - I think it would be worth having multiple systemd versions actually | 15:11 |
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| bencoh | oh right, that was just about newer systemd | 15:11 |
| bencoh | mybad | 15:11 |
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| Anarky | lbt: I think bc for arm is now installed, but how can I use this target now? | 15:53 |
| Anarky | I guess I can't use the osc commands anymore right? | 15:53 |
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| [ol] | lbt_: Regarding testing OBS 2.4 with Mer patches, I've built entire Mer inside it already, for i586, armv7hl and aarch64. What do you think, can it be considered enough testing? | 20:41 |
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| M4rtinK | yay for updated OBS :) | 21:27 |
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