Friday, 2013-09-20

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Dynamitnä kanske ska ändra till så det blir totalt 300MB i brandväggen som loggas05:16
Dynamit30 är rätt snålt05:17
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Bostikhm, I see someone mentioned me last night06:15
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UninstallBostik: yeah07:13
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UninstallBostik: do you work for novomok right?07:15
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BostikUninstall: yes, for the moment (might as well state this in public now: for the next two weeks still; any more details will be withheld until next week)07:18
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StskeepsUninstall: take a peek at , the individual packages and their files07:38
Stskeeps_service file07:38
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Stskeepsother people running MDS's may be interested too07:39
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JvD_Stskeeps: what's that
StskeepsJvD_: it's the place the released binaries of mer is built08:27
StskeepsJvD_: not really for humans :)08:27
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JvD_I just get Unauthorized Access when trying to peek08:40
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Stskeepsah, register at
JvD_ach so you need to have another login08:41
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UninstallStskeeps: hello :)10:07
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Stskeepsmoo Uninstall10:26
Stskeepslet's get that gcc build going..10:27
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StskeepsUninstall: did you check it on arm too?10:30
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UninstallStskeeps: not too much, it might break there10:31
Stskeeps  ok10:31
UninstallStskeeps: I didn't have enough power to test it on all archs10:31
Stskeepslet's see...10:32
* Stskeeps pokes his obs with a stick10:38
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StskeepsUninstall: you're playing with aarch64?10:44
UninstallStskeeps: I would really like to10:44
StskeepsUninstall: hmmm...10:44
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UninstallStskeeps: that's weird...10:45
Uninstalllet me check if everything is there10:45
Stskeepsthis is straight checkout from your submission, at least10:45
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StskeepsUninstall: i think the real problem with aarch64 is that there's really no development boards..10:47
Stskeepsthough i'd be interested in porting mer10:47
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UninstallStskeeps: qemu, qemu and qemu10:50
Stskeepsdoes a qemu system aarch64 exist anyway?10:50
Stskeepsusermode i'd really hope10:50
Uninstallyep, as far I know10:50
Uninstallif we get ready for qemu half of the work is done10:50
Uninstallwell, there should be something more10:51
Uninstallon that topic10:51
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Stskeeps:nod: i'm certainly interested10:56
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UninstallStskeeps: so the answer seem to be "yes, aarch64 is supported but not from vanilla qemu"11:00
Uninstallprobably we should stuck to linaro qemu11:00
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UninstallStskeeps: we can plan an aarch64 sprint11:04
Stskeepsdid i say i got llvmpipe working on ARM11:04
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UninstallStskeeps: no11:07
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Stskeepsah, well, it works, and supposedly it's supported for aarch64 too11:08
UninstallStskeeps: do you mind to spend some time in the future to set up the skeleton for aarch64 on OBS?11:09
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Stskeepsi don't mind, though we probably need to do a bottom port11:09
Stskeepsie, like x86-64 was11:09
UninstallI mean project files, schedulers and all that stuff11:09
Uninstallit would be a good start, honestly I'm not an OBS expert and honestly I wouldn't know what to change11:10
Stskeepspractically you need to do a bootstrap set of packages, built manually outside obs11:10
Stskeepsand then you import it into obs11:10
Stskeepsand let obs take care of the rest of the grunt work11:10
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UninstallStskeeps: cool11:11
Uninstallwhat about scheduler and project files?11:11
Stskeepsthose are easy11:11
Uninstallhave you got any idea how they should be?11:11
Stskeepscompared to that :)11:11
Uninstallif you don't mind I would go to have lunch, I really have to hurry up otherwise I'll miss the chance to eat something11:12
Stskeepsi'm here all day11:12
Uninstall(13:12 here in CET timezone ;) )11:12
Stskeepsyes, same here11:12
Stskeeps<- .pl11:12
Uninstallok :)11:12
Uninstallsee you later11:12
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UninstallStskeeps: by the way the issue with gcc was an out of sync file11:15
UninstallI was using an updated patch in our OBS build11:15
Stskeepsplease send it to gerrit11:15
Uninstallnow I'm pushing, sadly we have slow line today11:16
Stskeepswhen you're back from food11:16
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UninstallStskeeps: push is already in progress11:16
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Uninstalllet me know if I did the same mistake again11:16
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UninstallStskeeps: I'm back12:22
UninstallStskeeps: does it work?12:22
Stskeepswell it built ;)12:22
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Stskeepsnow doing the full-i486 as a start12:23
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UninstallStskeeps: cool12:27
UninstallStskeeps: by the way, talking about other stuff: is it possible to have arvm6hl?12:27
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Stskeepsi have an ancient port i did of it, actually the first arm hf for armv6 that ran on raspberry pi12:27
Stskeepsit has the problem though you can't do -mthumb12:27
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UninstallStskeeps: I see, is it possible to get it back?12:35
Stskeepsbut it needs to be done properly12:36
Stskeepsit was a literal hack before12:36
UninstallStskeeps: it would be ok for me to get it back in our internal OBS12:36
UninstallStskeeps: if you have some instruction I might play with it12:36
StskeepsUninstall: edit gcc spec for armv7hl and meego-rpm-config  and go for a long dinner12:36
Stskeepsfor hack12:36
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UninstallStskeeps: what about the scheduler? and the project config?12:37
Stskeepsjust use the armv8el one12:37
Stskeepsscheduler names are just labels12:37
Stskeepsnothing really stops you from doing arm builds on i586, as an example12:37
Stskeepsand project config is probably sorted already through publishfilter i believe12:38
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UninstallStskeeps: and what I need to bootstrap it?12:48
Uninstalllbt: Stskeeps anyway if you like we might host a mer sprint in our offices near Venice here in Italy12:50
StskeepsUninstall: in practice no need to bootstrap, you can generate a nice armv6hl from armv7hl12:50
UninstallStskeeps: cool12:50
Uninstallit seems rather easy12:51
lbtUninstall: that would be fun :)12:53
Uninstalllbt: we just need to think about some good dates ;)12:54
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alteregoI wonder if you could make a headphone jack, that would allow you to stick a stylus down it.13:52
alteregoI also wonder how much empty space is inside the N713:53
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Stskeepsalterego: not a bad idea13:58
Stskeepsperhaps a combined headphone plug and capacitive stylus?13:58
leinir*nods* because i absolutely want to take my stylus out every time i want to listen to some music...13:59
leinirwhich, practically, is all the time i'm on the road when out and about...13:59
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alteregoJust use bluetooth headphones ;)14:30
alteregoI'm suprised no one has made any HDMI headphones yet. Or maybe they have and I just don't know about it :)14:31
Uninstallalterego: HDMI doesn't provide power like USB does14:31
alteregoYeah, they would have to be self-powered, but not too much different to most high quality wireless headphones.14:32
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leinirehrm... no thanks :P not keen on charging yet another device14:38
alteregoSort of doesn't matter if contactless charging takes off more.14:38
alteregoJust have a mat on your desk and bedside table, plonk everything down when you come home.14:38
alteregoCould install them into loads of surfaces, even pub bars and tables ;)14:39
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alteregoI saw a cool thing the other day about completely unpowerewd RF receivers, that took power from ambient RF radiation in the environment and piggybacked transmissions to contact other devices.14:40
alteregoWas neat, got enough power to light a lower power LED14:40
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leinirYou certainly /could/... /if/ it became more of a thing... emphasis quite deliberate ;)14:41
alteregoMaybe talk to beer mat companies ;)14:41
alteregoYou know all those fancy stupid lit up beer taps you make now-a-days, why don't you allow wireless charging branded beer mats to hook up to your pumps.14:42
alteregoIf they were that available, and with rapid battery charging technology coming along a lot now-a-days, that would be amazing ..14:43
alteregoThey should install them on train and plane drop down trays, could even oscilate PLC like network through the wireless charging mat, then you wouldn't have to worry so much about crap wireless signal on coaches and trains.14:44
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alteregoI also don't understand why they don't use power line networking adapters on trains, as they get their power from those overhead powerlines.14:44
alteregoWould be far more effective than using mobile networks.14:45
alteregoCellular switching networks on trains is a PITA :)14:45
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Stskeepsalterego: did you discover mosh yet?14:50
alteregoI have heard of it, yes.14:52
alteregoYou do it at heavy metal concerts no?14:52
alteregoThat looks cool14:53
alteregoOooo, Android app ;)14:53
alteregoThough I have come to the conclusion, using terminal based text editors is somewhat painful on touch devices.14:54
alteregoMainly VKB, you rely on application controls that aren't particularly well placed, and there's no touch interaction with the shell. So ncurses based stuff isn't particularly effective either :/14:54
* alterego just wants a decent terminal emulator :'(14:55
alteregoFor touch14:55
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alteregoHrm, why isn't pacmd working?15:08
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alteregoSays it can't see the pulseaudio server, yet pactl works fine15:08
alteregoHmm, interesting15:11
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Stskeepsalterego: fingerterm15:21
alteregoYeah, that's not too bad.15:22
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alteregoHrm, this must be a dbus issue.15:22
alteregoCan't seem to do anything where that's concerned.15:22
alteregoLooks like I don't have a dbus user session running.15:23
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UninstallStskeeps: how's going with gcc?16:23
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Stskeepselfutils, ppl failed so far16:48
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kaltsiStskeeps: for libzypp, important for sdk stuff18:27
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UninstallStskeeps: elfutils has to be updated18:46
Uninstallwe already have a pending review on gerrit18:46
Uninstallkaltsi: can you explain a bit more that patch?18:53
Uninstallis this going to be part of mainstream zypper?18:53
Uninstallcan be fixed that problem using an up to date zypper?18:53
kaltsiupstream doesn't have netrc support there18:53
Uninstallkaltsi: are you already using it in sailfish?18:54
kaltsiin mer-core we have a patch that adds netrc support there since last year18:54
Uninstallkaltsi: I mean your fix18:54
kaltsithat patch introduced a problem if zypper is used in non-interactive mode like zypper --non-interactive refresh and there are no stored credentials or .netrc, it will go into an infinite loop18:55
kaltsiUninstall: no it's not in sailfish yet.. I'd like to get it in via mer-core18:55
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Uninstallkaltsi: C++ code seem ok, from my point of view it is ok but I'm not a zypper expert18:59
kaltsiiotw: mer-core libzypp has a patch that adds .netrc support, but also introduces an infinite loop in certain cases, this is a patch to that patch that gets rid of the infinite loop :)18:59
Uninstallso my opinion doesn't really matter18:59
kaltsiUninstall: ok :)19:00
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Uninstallkaltsi: just one thing: remember to update the revision number in our spec file19:00
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Uninstallkaltsi: sorry, I mean Release19:01
Uninstallchange it from 1 to 219:01
kaltsithe build machinery should take care of it, right? I haven't done it before19:02
Uninstallkaltsi: what you mean?19:02
kaltsiand looking at the previous releases in gitweb, the number hasn't been touched19:02
Uninstallkaltsi: as far I know it should be changed every time a new rpm with some changes is going to be created19:03
kaltsithe obs build scripts take care of incrementing the release number19:04
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kaltsi(afaik), at least earlier I've been told not to worry about the release num19:05
Uninstallkaltsi: yeah, you are right according to some documentation19:05
UninstallI've been used to really care about it19:05
kaltsiyep that's probably more proper and more necessary in other environments19:07
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Uninstallkaltsi: ok, so that's fine for me19:08
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UninstallI have to go for dinner19:13
Uninstallsee you later19:13
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kaltsicu, bon appetit!19:13
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StskeepsUninstall: scratchbox2 too, which is surprising19:34
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Stskeepskaltsi: it's way too late for you in the evening to look at bugs ;) but
kaltsihehe :)19:44
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kaltsistrange failure19:48
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kaltsicompiler / glibc hdrs issue?20:27
kaltsimaybe related old/closed bug bug 33763 in c "[4.6/4.7/4.8 Regression] Bogus inlining failed in call to `xxx': redefined extern inline functions are not considered for inlining" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]20:27
kaltsihere's the paste with the failure20:31
kaltsieven shorter
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kaltsiStskeeps: seems like a compiler bug, I built a new gcc 4.8 from git on ubu desktop and I'm getting the same problem21:19
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kaltsiStskeeps: aand apparently I was an idiot, it's simple to fix in scratchbox223:05
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Uninstallkaltsi: ?23:07
kaltsiI need to redefine the recvfrom prototype to use __SOCKADDR_ARG instead of struct sockaddr *23:08
Uninstalluhm, make sense23:08
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