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| Dynamit | nä kanske ska ändra till så det blir totalt 300MB i brandväggen som loggas | 05:16 |
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| Dynamit | 30 är rätt snålt | 05:17 |
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| Bostik | hm, I see someone mentioned me last night | 06:15 |
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| Uninstall | Bostik: yeah | 07:13 |
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| Uninstall | Bostik: do you work for novomok right? | 07:15 |
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| Bostik | Uninstall: yes, for the moment (might as well state this in public now: for the next two weeks still; any more details will be withheld until next week) | 07:18 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: take a peek at https://build.ci.merproject.org/project/packages?project=home%3AAdmin%3Atest-mergit , the individual packages and their files | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | _service file | 07:38 |
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| Stskeeps | other people running MDS's may be interested too | 07:39 |
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| JvD_ | Stskeeps: what's that build.ci.merproject.org? | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | JvD_: it's the place the released binaries of mer is built | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | JvD_: not really for humans :) | 08:27 |
| JvD_ | =) | 08:29 |
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| JvD_ | I just get Unauthorized Access when trying to peek | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, register at https://build.ci.merproject.org | 08:41 |
| JvD_ | ach so you need to have another login | 08:41 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: hello :) | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | moo Uninstall | 10:26 |
| Uninstall | :) | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | let's get that gcc build going.. | 10:27 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: did you check it on arm too? | 10:30 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: not too much, it might break there | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:31 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I didn't have enough power to test it on all archs | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | let's see... | 10:32 |
| Uninstall | yep | 10:37 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: you're playing with aarch64? | 10:44 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I would really like to | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: hmmm... | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=gcc&project=home%3AAdmin%3Agcc48&repository=Core_i486 | 10:44 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: that's weird... | 10:45 |
| Uninstall | let me check if everything is there | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | this is straight checkout from your submission, at least | 10:45 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: i think the real problem with aarch64 is that there's really no development boards.. | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | though i'd be interested in porting mer | 10:47 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: qemu, qemu and qemu | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | does a qemu system aarch64 exist anyway? | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | usermode i'd really hope | 10:50 |
| Uninstall | yep, as far I know | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:50 |
| Uninstall | if we get ready for qemu half of the work is done | 10:50 |
| Uninstall | https://wiki.linaro.org/Platform/DevPlatform/AArch64QEMU | 10:51 |
| Uninstall | well, there should be something more | 10:51 |
| Uninstall | on that topic | 10:51 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: i'm certainly interested | 10:56 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: https://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/pmaydell/qemu-aarch64.git;a=tree;f=linux-user/aarch64;h=5dd3f145835eb2960815804f4e60ce020cec8eee;hb=bd4f4da18811fc45f684f33fdd9030a39b7d0b78 | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:58 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: so the answer seem to be "yes, aarch64 is supported but not from vanilla qemu" | 11:00 |
| Uninstall | probably we should stuck to linaro qemu | 11:00 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 11:00 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: we can plan an aarch64 sprint | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | did i say i got llvmpipe working on ARM | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:04 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: no | 11:07 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, well, it works, and supposedly it's supported for aarch64 too | 11:08 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: do you mind to spend some time in the future to set up the skeleton for aarch64 on OBS? | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't mind, though we probably need to do a bottom port | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie, like x86-64 was | 11:09 |
| Uninstall | I mean project files, schedulers and all that stuff | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 11:09 |
| Uninstall | it would be a good start, honestly I'm not an OBS expert and honestly I wouldn't know what to change | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | practically you need to do a bootstrap set of packages, built manually outside obs | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | and then you import it into obs | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | and let obs take care of the rest of the grunt work | 11:10 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: cool | 11:11 |
| Uninstall | what about scheduler and project files? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | those are easy | 11:11 |
| Uninstall | have you got any idea how they should be? | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | compared to that :) | 11:11 |
| Uninstall | ok | 11:11 |
| Uninstall | if you don't mind I would go to have lunch, I really have to hurry up otherwise I'll miss the chance to eat something | 11:12 |
| Uninstall | ;) | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | i'm here all day | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:12 |
| Uninstall | (13:12 here in CET timezone ;) ) | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes, same here | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | <- .pl | 11:12 |
| Uninstall | ok :) | 11:12 |
| Uninstall | see you later | 11:12 |
| Uninstall | :) | 11:12 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: by the way the issue with gcc was an out of sync file | 11:15 |
| Uninstall | I was using an updated patch in our OBS build | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | oki | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | please send it to gerrit | 11:15 |
| Uninstall | now I'm pushing, sadly we have slow line today | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | when you're back from food | 11:16 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: push is already in progress | 11:16 |
| Uninstall | ;) | 11:16 |
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| Stskeeps | oki | 11:16 |
| Uninstall | let me know if I did the same mistake again | 11:16 |
| Uninstall | :) | 11:16 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I'm back | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | wb | 12:22 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: does it work? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | well it built ;) | 12:22 |
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| Uninstall | cool | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | now doing the full-i486 as a start | 12:23 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: cool | 12:27 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: by the way, talking about other stuff: is it possible to have arvm6hl? | 12:27 |
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| Stskeeps | i have an ancient port i did of it, actually the first arm hf for armv6 that ran on raspberry pi | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | it has the problem though you can't do -mthumb | 12:27 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: I see, is it possible to get it back? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | but it needs to be done properly | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | it was a literal hack before | 12:36 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: it would be ok for me to get it back in our internal OBS | 12:36 |
| Uninstall | ;) | 12:36 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: if you have some instruction I might play with it | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: edit gcc spec for armv7hl and meego-rpm-config and go for a long dinner | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | for hack | 12:36 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: what about the scheduler? and the project config? | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | just use the armv8el one | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | scheduler names are just labels | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | nothing really stops you from doing arm builds on i586, as an example | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | and project config is probably sorted already through publishfilter i believe | 12:38 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: and what I need to bootstrap it? | 12:48 |
| Uninstall | lbt: Stskeeps anyway if you like we might host a mer sprint in our offices near Venice here in Italy | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: in practice no need to bootstrap, you can generate a nice armv6hl from armv7hl | 12:50 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: cool | 12:50 |
| Uninstall | it seems rather easy | 12:51 |
| lbt | Uninstall: that would be fun :) | 12:53 |
| Uninstall | sure | 12:53 |
| Uninstall | lbt: we just need to think about some good dates ;) | 12:54 |
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| alterego | I wonder if you could make a headphone jack, that would allow you to stick a stylus down it. | 13:52 |
| alterego | I also wonder how much empty space is inside the N7 | 13:53 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: not a bad idea | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps a combined headphone plug and capacitive stylus? | 13:58 |
| leinir | *nods* because i absolutely want to take my stylus out every time i want to listen to some music... | 13:59 |
| leinir | which, practically, is all the time i'm on the road when out and about... | 13:59 |
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| alterego | :) | 14:30 |
| alterego | Just use bluetooth headphones ;) | 14:30 |
| alterego | I'm suprised no one has made any HDMI headphones yet. Or maybe they have and I just don't know about it :) | 14:31 |
| Uninstall | alterego: HDMI doesn't provide power like USB does | 14:31 |
| alterego | Yeah, they would have to be self-powered, but not too much different to most high quality wireless headphones. | 14:32 |
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| leinir | ehrm... no thanks :P not keen on charging yet another device | 14:38 |
| alterego | Sort of doesn't matter if contactless charging takes off more. | 14:38 |
| alterego | Just have a mat on your desk and bedside table, plonk everything down when you come home. | 14:38 |
| alterego | Could install them into loads of surfaces, even pub bars and tables ;) | 14:39 |
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| alterego | I saw a cool thing the other day about completely unpowerewd RF receivers, that took power from ambient RF radiation in the environment and piggybacked transmissions to contact other devices. | 14:40 |
| alterego | Was neat, got enough power to light a lower power LED | 14:40 |
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| leinir | You certainly /could/... /if/ it became more of a thing... emphasis quite deliberate ;) | 14:41 |
| alterego | :) | 14:41 |
| alterego | Maybe talk to beer mat companies ;) | 14:41 |
| alterego | You know all those fancy stupid lit up beer taps you make now-a-days, why don't you allow wireless charging branded beer mats to hook up to your pumps. | 14:42 |
| alterego | If they were that available, and with rapid battery charging technology coming along a lot now-a-days, that would be amazing .. | 14:43 |
| alterego | They should install them on train and plane drop down trays, could even oscilate PLC like network through the wireless charging mat, then you wouldn't have to worry so much about crap wireless signal on coaches and trains. | 14:44 |
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| alterego | I also don't understand why they don't use power line networking adapters on trains, as they get their power from those overhead powerlines. | 14:44 |
| alterego | Would be far more effective than using mobile networks. | 14:45 |
| alterego | Cellular switching networks on trains is a PITA :) | 14:45 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: did you discover mosh yet? | 14:50 |
| alterego | I have heard of it, yes. | 14:52 |
| alterego | You do it at heavy metal concerts no? | 14:52 |
| alterego | ;) | 14:52 |
| alterego | That looks cool | 14:53 |
| alterego | Oooo, Android app ;) | 14:53 |
| alterego | Though I have come to the conclusion, using terminal based text editors is somewhat painful on touch devices. | 14:54 |
| alterego | Mainly VKB, you rely on application controls that aren't particularly well placed, and there's no touch interaction with the shell. So ncurses based stuff isn't particularly effective either :/ | 14:54 |
| * alterego just wants a decent terminal emulator :'( | 14:55 | |
| alterego | For touch | 14:55 |
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| alterego | Hrm, why isn't pacmd working? | 15:08 |
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| alterego | Says it can't see the pulseaudio server, yet pactl works fine | 15:08 |
| alterego | Hmm, interesting | 15:11 |
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| Stskeeps | alterego: fingerterm | 15:21 |
| alterego | Yeah, that's not too bad. | 15:22 |
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| alterego | Hrm, this must be a dbus issue. | 15:22 |
| alterego | Can't seem to do anything where that's concerned. | 15:22 |
| alterego | Looks like I don't have a dbus user session running. | 15:23 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: how's going with gcc? | 16:23 |
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| Stskeeps | elfutils, ppl failed so far | 16:48 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/1588 for libzypp, important for sdk stuff | 18:27 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: elfutils has to be updated | 18:46 |
| Uninstall | we already have a pending review on gerrit | 18:46 |
| Uninstall | kaltsi: can you explain a bit more that patch? | 18:53 |
| Uninstall | is this going to be part of mainstream zypper? | 18:53 |
| Uninstall | can be fixed that problem using an up to date zypper? | 18:53 |
| kaltsi | upstream doesn't have netrc support there | 18:53 |
| Uninstall | kaltsi: are you already using it in sailfish? | 18:54 |
| kaltsi | in mer-core we have a patch that adds netrc support there since last year | 18:54 |
| Uninstall | kaltsi: I mean your fix | 18:54 |
| kaltsi | that patch introduced a problem if zypper is used in non-interactive mode like zypper --non-interactive refresh and there are no stored credentials or .netrc, it will go into an infinite loop | 18:55 |
| kaltsi | Uninstall: no it's not in sailfish yet.. I'd like to get it in via mer-core | 18:55 |
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| Uninstall | kaltsi: C++ code seem ok, from my point of view it is ok but I'm not a zypper expert | 18:59 |
| kaltsi | iotw: mer-core libzypp has a patch that adds .netrc support, but also introduces an infinite loop in certain cases, this is a patch to that patch that gets rid of the infinite loop :) | 18:59 |
| Uninstall | so my opinion doesn't really matter | 18:59 |
| kaltsi | Uninstall: ok :) | 19:00 |
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| Uninstall | kaltsi: just one thing: remember to update the revision number in our spec file | 19:00 |
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| Uninstall | kaltsi: sorry, I mean Release | 19:01 |
| Uninstall | change it from 1 to 2 | 19:01 |
| kaltsi | the build machinery should take care of it, right? I haven't done it before | 19:02 |
| Uninstall | kaltsi: what you mean? | 19:02 |
| kaltsi | and looking at the previous releases in gitweb, the number hasn't been touched | 19:02 |
| Uninstall | kaltsi: as far I know it should be changed every time a new rpm with some changes is going to be created | 19:03 |
| kaltsi | the obs build scripts take care of incrementing the release number | 19:04 |
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| kaltsi | (afaik), at least earlier I've been told not to worry about the release num | 19:05 |
| Uninstall | kaltsi: yeah, you are right according to some documentation | 19:05 |
| Uninstall | I've been used to really care about it | 19:05 |
| kaltsi | yep that's probably more proper and more necessary in other environments | 19:07 |
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| Uninstall | kaltsi: ok, so that's fine for me | 19:08 |
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| Uninstall | I have to go for dinner | 19:13 |
| Uninstall | see you later | 19:13 |
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| kaltsi | cu, bon appetit! | 19:13 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: scratchbox2 too, which is surprising | 19:34 |
| kaltsi | sb2? | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | kaltsi: it's way too late for you in the evening to look at bugs ;) but https://build.ci.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=scratchbox2&project=home%3AAdmin%3Agcc48&repository=Core_i486 | 19:43 |
| kaltsi | hehe :) | 19:44 |
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| kaltsi | strange failure | 19:48 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/xuhkKb8M | 20:27 |
| kaltsi | compiler / glibc hdrs issue? | 20:27 |
| kaltsi | maybe related old/closed bug http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=33763 | 20:27 |
| Merbot | gcc.gnu.org bug 33763 in c "[4.6/4.7/4.8 Regression] Bogus inlining failed in call to `xxx': redefined extern inline functions are not considered for inlining" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] | 20:27 |
| kaltsi | here's the paste with the failure | 20:31 |
| kaltsi | http://pastebin.com/FJkVxaqA | 20:31 |
| kaltsi | even shorter http://pastebin.com/ahgw3k8a | 20:36 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: seems like a compiler bug, I built a new gcc 4.8 from git on ubu desktop and I'm getting the same problem | 21:19 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: aand apparently I was an idiot, it's simple to fix in scratchbox2 | 23:05 |
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| Uninstall | kaltsi: ? | 23:07 |
| kaltsi | I need to redefine the recvfrom prototype to use __SOCKADDR_ARG instead of struct sockaddr * | 23:08 |
| Uninstall | uhm, make sense | 23:08 |
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