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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: we have a fresh and new gcc waiting for a review | 09:10 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: hello | 13:01 |
| Uninstall | are you here? | 13:01 |
| lbt | Uninstall: hey | 13:01 |
| Uninstall | lbt: I'm a bit woried about the number of reviews that are pending in our review board | 13:02 |
| Uninstall | lbt: there are several reviews that have no feedback | 13:02 |
| lbt | Uninstall: I agree | 13:02 |
| Uninstall | and it is not clear if they are not accepted because they are bad or just lack of interest | 13:02 |
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| lbt | yep | 13:03 |
| lbt | I suspect that we're seeing the problem of pressure from the commercial side and a limited number of people dedicated to Mer core | 13:03 |
| Uninstall | lbt: http://review.merproject.org/#change,1168 <-- this is a good example, this one has been there for a long time, it should work but it is still there | 13:04 |
| lbt | and we've not really worked out how to scale up the number of maintainers | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | the real problem is the problem of branchability; so that there's tight deadlines in some commercial projects, which should have been possible to branch but our infra didn't allow; so big merges are risky | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | i've been working yesterday to help to solve this | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | ie, a gcc4.6->gcc4.8 move can kill a product certification, as an example | 13:05 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: sure, I'm not talking about that | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | all the commits look good | 13:05 |
| Uninstall | I mostly talk about smaller changes | 13:05 |
| lbt | Uninstall: yep - but when you make a change to something in the tooling it or just lower down it has big knock-on impacts | 13:06 |
| lbt | I think we discussed branching in spain didn't we | 13:06 |
| Uninstall | no, I don't think so, maybe you talked about that with drf__ | 13:07 |
| lbt | could be | 13:07 |
| Uninstall | what about sailfishos? How many of them are already updated in sailfishos and not in mer? | 13:08 |
| lbt | pretty sure it's none | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | pretty much none, excepting the mer:qt overlay which is scheduled to go away as branching can happen | 13:08 |
| Stskeeps | as some of the things in that mer:qt overlay may break other things | 13:09 |
| lbt | in fact I think one of the issues we're seeing is that we're stalling in core development as a key player needs a stable core and as Stskeeps says, we don't have a decent branch solution for the full core | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | the original model was such that the branching would happen at the vendor, through custom tools for let's say, mds | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | and run their own 'core programmes' but that was never developed a lot | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | and it was too rough to practically do/follow | 13:11 |
| lbt | *nod* | 13:12 |
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| Uninstall | is it possible to check out if there are some changes that can be safely merged without any problem? | 13:12 |
| Uninstall | I mean stuff like iso-codes that are just regular updates | 13:12 |
| Stskeeps | probably yes -- and there's a bigger focus on us getting mer infra back into shape now too | 13:13 |
| lbt | :) | 13:13 |
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| lbt | frankly I'm starting that with some true infra fixes - monitoring, security updates and other sysadmin | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm pursuing the branchability side -- in the end, mer is a collection of sw | 13:14 |
| Stskeeps | that work together in a stable manner | 13:15 |
| lbt | I do wonder how that's handled at the package level - I'd planned to allow per-core_branch packaging branches | 13:17 |
| lbt | so the git repos didn't need forking | 13:17 |
| lbt | and that would allow cherry picking too | 13:17 |
| lbt | ~ | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | first lesson of _service files, don't make it hook up to http://review.merproject.org/p/ | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | wow.. | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:20 |
| lbt | and are we killing gerrit ? | 13:23 |
| Uninstall | http://review.merproject.org/#change,1578 <--- this one should be really approved | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | well, that certainly did the trick | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | i fully agree | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | i should sit down and run through these | 13:24 |
| alterego | You can delegate if you like ;) | 13:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:35 |
| Stskeeps | and people review too | 13:35 |
| alterego | Given a 7" 1080p screen, and how expensive they must be. Why on earth doesn't someone make a more modular device? | 13:35 |
| Uninstall | https://review.merproject.org/#change,1574 <--- this should go too | 13:35 |
| Uninstall | we are fixing that warning adding that to every .ks file | 13:35 |
| alterego | Like separate power and processing modules that just lock to the back of an OLED panel | 13:35 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: what did you do? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can i say stress test? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | also, be, not cbe | 13:42 |
| alterego | Hah | 13:42 |
| lbt | yep | 13:42 |
| lbt | alterego: I want one of them | 13:43 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: file:///data/mer/packages-git/ + _service files pointing to it + 330 packages | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:43 |
| alterego | lbt: me too .. | 13:44 |
| alterego | How often do you really need to change a computer screen? | 13:44 |
| alterego | Maybe the next Jolla device should be a sandwich :P | 13:44 |
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| alterego | Obviously not ice cream .. | 13:44 |
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| lbt | :D | 13:44 |
| alterego | Fish finger sandwich? | 13:45 |
| lbt | mmmm with tartare sauce and butter | 13:46 |
| lbt | I'm hungry | 13:46 |
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| alterego | Yeah, me too .. | 13:46 |
| alterego | Chinese or Pizza ... | 13:46 |
| lbt | chinese | 13:46 |
| alterego | Good choice, there's a really good noodle place that's openned up just down the road that does delivery. | 13:46 |
| lbt | bought a peking duck for tea this morning when we popped out | 13:46 |
| alterego | Even comes in boxes! | 13:46 |
| lbt | hehe | 13:47 |
| cybette | those boxes are not Chinese! | 13:47 |
| cybette | (but probably made in China) | 13:47 |
| alterego | Heh | 13:48 |
| lbt | what does chinese takeaway come in in china? | 13:48 |
| cybette | plastic bags | 13:48 |
| alterego | Hey, it beats newspapers, that's what our local delicacy usually comes in ;) | 13:48 |
| cybette | chinese food usually have soup or gravy, those boxes wouldn't work | 13:49 |
| lbt | alterego: true - british cuisine comes wrapped in old newspapers !! | 13:49 |
| alterego | cybette: they're usually wax coated, at least in this particular case. | 13:50 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: by the way have you had the chance to test glib2 update? | 13:50 |
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| alterego | lbt: have some fish and chips, hands look like I've been in the mines :P | 13:50 |
| alterego | Uninstall: when did that happen? I've been using glib for quite a few things. | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: not beyond that it didn't obviously blow up any packages during build | 13:51 |
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| Uninstall | Stskeeps: ok | 13:51 |
| * jonwil wishes there was an option for fish & chips near me :( | 13:51 | |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: we are using a system with that version of glib2 and everything looks fin | 13:51 |
| Uninstall | *fine | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:51 |
| alterego | Works for me. | 13:52 |
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| Uninstall | alterego: https://review.merproject.org/#change,1539 | 13:52 |
| Uninstall | alterego: that one is pending for review, it hasn't been updated yet | 13:52 |
| alterego | I'm using btrfs | 13:52 |
| alterego | Otherwise all the dbus stuff works fine | 13:53 |
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| Uninstall | alterego: how btrfs is related to glb2? | 13:53 |
| Uninstall | *glib2 | 13:53 |
| alterego | That patch included a fix for ext4, | 13:53 |
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| alterego | Something to do with file corruption, and it mentions something about dbus autogen code, but that stuff works fine for me. | 13:54 |
| Uninstall | alterego: it doesn't fix the filesystem ;) it just avoid some possible file corruption on some glib2 based software | 13:54 |
| Uninstall | alterego: yeah, they are some changes in glib2 | 13:54 |
| alterego | Yes, obviously, but I'm not using ext4 so how would I know that it works? :P | 13:54 |
| cybette | alterego: yeah possibly. still those boxes didn't originate from the East :) | 13:55 |
| Uninstall | alterego: well, a lof of software is built on glib2, so I would like to know if someone is using that version | 13:55 |
| alterego | Uninstall: is it not in next? | 13:56 |
| Uninstall | it is pending | 13:56 |
| Uninstall | pending for review, it hasn't been approved | 13:57 |
| alterego | Ooooo, I see, so I'm still on 2.32.4 | 13:57 |
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| alterego | Has someone been looking at my designs again ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24149440 | 14:16 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: ping | 18:51 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: I see that there some packages waiting for review with patches useful for sailfish | 19:51 |
| Uninstall | lbt: aren't you using any of them? | 19:52 |
| lbt | Uninstall: I honestly don't know - Carsten said there was just one which was a workaround. | 19:56 |
| lbt | my work on sailfish has mainly been on the SDK side - so I don't know what version of mer core packages are in use | 19:57 |
| Uninstall | lbt: http://review.merproject.org/#change,1576 | 19:57 |
| lbt | I do know they kick and scream if there's a patch they need and I'm slow doing a release ;) | 19:57 |
| Uninstall | the point is that I'm trying to understand if that patch is useful, it has been already tested or if it needs to be discarded | 19:58 |
| Uninstall | (we should try to understand this for several reviews) | 19:59 |
| lbt | Uninstall: all I can say is that the reviews in core have been neglected and carsten has said he'll put some time into it 'rsn' | 19:59 |
| Uninstall | ok | 19:59 |
| lbt | I think I should pay more attention to that and see if I can help shoulder the burden | 20:00 |
| lbt | he's got a newborn too - so that has hit the amount of time available | 20:00 |
| Uninstall | lbt: anyway from a my personal point of view, if something works for sailfish and it has been tested there it means that it is good | 20:00 |
| lbt | I agree - but in general I think most sailfish code hits the external projects first | 20:00 |
| lbt | afaik most of the work is actually done in nemo/mer-core | 20:01 |
| lbt | obviously the current focus is on the higher levels of the OS at this point (the 'release a device this calendar year' schedule pretty much says that) | 20:02 |
| fk_lx | lbt: hi | 20:02 |
| lbt | hey | 20:02 |
| fk_lx | how's going? | 20:02 |
| lbt | Uninstall: so my suggestion here is to try and replicate the regular bug-triages | 20:02 |
| lbt | and do a regular review triage | 20:03 |
| lbt | Uninstall: how does midday on tuesdays sound? | 20:03 |
| lbt | fk_lx: it's going well - been looking after infra | 20:03 |
| Uninstall | lbt: it should be ok for me | 20:03 |
| lbt | fk_lx: you recovering? | 20:03 |
| lbt | Uninstall: lets put that to carsten tomorrow | 20:04 |
| Uninstall | ok, cool | 20:04 |
| lbt | (I'm not highlighting him as he's probably taking a family break ;) ) | 20:04 |
| Uninstall | lbt: ;) | 20:04 |
| Uninstall | lbt: by the way I would also like to get my gcc tested with some testing sailfish build | 20:05 |
| Uninstall | I would really like to know if it might break something there | 20:05 |
| lbt | talk to phaeron when he's around | 20:05 |
| Uninstall | ok | 20:06 |
| lbt | fk_lx: it felt like things went pretty well :) | 20:06 |
| fk_lx | lbt: well I think I've recovered, especially that I'm going to Amsterdam to evangelize about Sailfish | 20:06 |
| lbt | *g* | 20:06 |
| lbt | are the videos up yet? | 20:07 |
| Uninstall | by the way anyone from novomok here? | 20:07 |
| fk_lx | lbt: well the istream is taking care of that, they wanted us to provide pdf's so probably they are already starting to work on them | 20:07 |
| lbt | Uninstall: Bostik is .. and one or two others | 20:07 |
| lbt | fk_lx: oh yes, that was quite recent - seems like a week ago | 20:07 |
| Uninstall | lbt: ok, it would be cool to involve him to some review | 20:08 |
| lbt | +1 | 20:08 |
| Uninstall | by the way how things are going to jolla? any big event planned soon? | 20:11 |
| lbt | did you miss the SDK update!!! | 20:11 |
| fk_lx | Uninstall: big launch before the end of the year :-) | 20:11 |
| Uninstall | fk_lx: where is going to be the launch event? | 20:11 |
| fk_lx | Uninstall: I guess in Finland | 20:14 |
| fk_lx | Uninstall: Helsinki? Tampere? | 20:15 |
| Uninstall | I have no idea ;) | 20:15 |
| Uninstall | I would love to be in tamere again in winter | 20:15 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 20:15 |
| Uninstall | I would like to see how Finland looks in winter | 20:15 |
| Uninstall | :D | 20:16 |
| Uninstall | lbt: by the way are you using wayland on the emulator now? | 20:22 |
| lbt | yes - since the last release | 20:22 |
| lbt | [ol]: ping .... why is /home/$user set to --make-unbindable ? | 20:26 |
| [ol] | lbt: Do you mean my changes to use namespaces instead of explicit mer-sdk-chroot mount/unmount? | 20:29 |
| lbt | yes - that's semi-released now btw | 20:29 |
| lbt | it's in rolling at least | 20:29 |
| [ol] | lbt: Because it was like that before my changes. I didn't touch this part. | 20:31 |
| lbt | damn | 20:31 |
| [ol] | Use «git blame». :-) | 20:31 |
| lbt | but .... it always blames me | 20:32 |
| [ol] | Then blame yourself. :-) | 20:32 |
| * lbt must write better comments | 20:32 | |
| lbt | I have a feeling it was to avoid recursion | 20:32 |
| lbt | but I think that problem is pretty much solved using unshare | 20:32 |
| lbt | I want to support running an sdk-like chroot of ubuntu inside the sdk | 20:33 |
| lbt | and was going to nest | 20:33 |
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| Uninstall | lbt: which driver did you use to get wayland working? | 20:59 |
| aknight | Uninstall: mesa llvmpipe is used for the gl stack. the compositor uses qt eglfs and the clients use qtwayland | 21:01 |
| Uninstall | aknight: cool, I can't use eglfs on virtualbox, how did you get it working? | 21:01 |
| aknight | Uninstall: well you need a working gl stack :) which means a software rasterizer in non x11 normally. | 21:02 |
| aknight | EGL_PLATFORM=fbdev, then it all just sort of works | 21:02 |
| Uninstall | aknight: ok, and are you using vesafb? | 21:03 |
| aknight | i don't have the emulator handy, but you can lsmod. i don't think it's vesafb | 21:04 |
| Uninstall | aknight: how can I ssh to the emulator? | 21:05 |
| aknight | Uninstall: https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 21:07 |
| aknight | ssh -p 2223 nemo@localhost | 21:07 |
| Uninstall | what is booster? | 21:09 |
| Uninstall | o.o | 21:09 |
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| aknight | booster boosts qt apps | 21:09 |
| aknight | or silica apps rather | 21:09 |
| aknight | so they start up faster | 21:09 |
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| Uninstall | aknight: I never heard about it | 21:17 |
| Uninstall | it preloads qt and then start ups? | 21:17 |
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| aknight | Uninstall: iiuc it loads qguiapplication + friends up to a certain point and forks the process, then continues on with the execution state of the app. but tbh i don't know much about the internals | 21:20 |
| aknight | so it gets the bootstrapping phase done very quickly | 21:20 |
| Uninstall | ok | 21:22 |
| Uninstall | cool | 21:22 |
| Uninstall | anyway the driver is vesafb | 21:22 |
| aknight | Uninstall: what was your spell to determine that? | 21:24 |
| Uninstall | aknight: how's the compositor called? | 21:24 |
| aknight | Uninstall: lipstick | 21:24 |
| Uninstall | aknight: cat /boot/extlinux/extlinux.conf ;) | 21:24 |
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| aknight | indeed. i had never really checked which driver is actually used. of course we use the fbdev winsys in mesa | 21:26 |
| aknight | => fbdev egl platform | 21:26 |
| Uninstall | aknight: thank you | 21:33 |
| aknight | np | 21:33 |
| Uninstall | aknight: do you work for jolla, right? | 21:34 |
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| aknight | Uninstall: guilty. i'm a contractor though | 21:35 |
| aknight | so helping out with open source bits | 21:36 |
| Uninstall | aknight: ah, ok | 21:39 |
| Uninstall | :) | 21:40 |
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