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| kyyberi | lbt: ping | 07:16 |
| kyyberi | hmmm | 07:19 |
| kyyberi | well, might as well state my issue | 07:19 |
| kyyberi | Some months ago I started making Mer Dashboard called Meet-Mer | 07:20 |
| kyyberi | it is implemented as Rails app and sources are at https://github.com/kyyberi/Meet-Mer | 07:20 |
| kyyberi | To get it in use, it needs to be "gemified" in other words broken into gems | 07:21 |
| kyyberi | I did try that, but failed miserably | 07:21 |
| kyyberi | I would need some help so that we could get that dashboard in use | 07:21 |
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| kyyberi | here's one clip about that it does and what it looks like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urmp-fmjRro | 07:23 |
| kyyberi | and another with bugs and tasks listing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3j0oIVMZGM | 07:24 |
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| kyyberi | assuming that some sort of dashboard is still needed/wanted | 07:27 |
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| Stskeeps | yawn | 09:05 |
| Bostik | yeah, something to that effect | 09:05 |
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| alund | hi | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | 'lo alund :) | 09:43 |
| alund | after updating my nexus 7 yesterday, networkmanager is not running, and "systemctl start NetworkManager" gives an error. how do i start it? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | mm, that'd be rcg area | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | check systemctl status NetworkManager.service ? | 09:44 |
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| alund | Stskeeps: thanks. why doesn't systemctl work like on other systems? (not requiring me to type ".service") | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | alund: perhaps older version | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | it used to not, i think | 09:46 |
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| alund | Stskeeps: sounds likely :) | 09:47 |
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| Jucato | good day everyone! I was wondering if anyone could point me where to get started to get Mer running on some device (Arnova 7 G2, cheap Anroid tablet). I absolutely have no idea about hardware adaptation or if it's even possible with the device, but I would love to run Plasma Active on it for development (otherwise it's just gathering dust) | 09:58 |
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| alund | after update, i can't use my qml app any longer. works fine on the desktop, but on the nexus something is wrong with the qml intepreter, some elements gets 0x0px size | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -q --changelog qt | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | or libqtcore4 | 10:26 |
| alund | doesn't look new at all | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | well, show me it anyway | 10:28 |
| alund | last change is from january | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | the top | 10:28 |
| alund | * Tue Jan 29 2013 Oleg Girko <ol+mer@infoserver.ru> - 4.8.3n- Add default handling for any arch other than arm, i386 or mips. | 10:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok, so not that recent | 10:29 |
| alund | i give up | 10:29 |
| alund | maybe it will be usefull for one or two things after next PA update, but at this point there is no single thing that it is goog for | 10:30 |
| Jucato | so ... any pointers in the right direction would help. it runs on a Rockchip RK2918. specs are http://arnovatech.com/products/g2/arn_7/specs.html?country=ru&lang=en | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | Jucato: generally: you need to be able to flash your own kernel, boot it and your own root file system | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | and build your own kernel | 10:31 |
| Jucato | using the android kernel? (it has a custom rom available so I'm guessing the kernel is available) | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine, but you have to rebuild it yourself | 10:32 |
| Jucato | ok. thanks. gonna do some research on how to do that :) | 10:32 |
| Jucato | never tried to do this kind of thing before. I've always relied on others doing the porting, but I don't think anyone would port Mer to this thing :) | 10:34 |
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| alund | it seems like my time is screwed up | 10:47 |
| alund | it appears to get the time may 1. 2000 14:56 from eu.pool.ntp.org ?! | 10:48 |
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| alund | apart from that, the mer system reboots suddely very often in this state | 10:49 |
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| lbt | alund: there's a bit of a problem on time - there's a service that should run that isn't installed | 10:49 |
| alund | just freezes and reboots, it used to happen frequently but not every 10 minutes like right now | 10:49 |
| alund | lbt: is it fixable? | 10:49 |
| lbt | it's OSS - of course :) | 10:50 |
| lbt | can you ssh in as root@ | 10:50 |
| lbt | ? | 10:50 |
| alund | yes | 10:50 |
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| lbt | http://pastie.org/6488369 | 10:52 |
| lbt | on both emul and sdk VMs | 10:52 |
| lbt | then reboot is easiest | 10:53 |
| lbt | we've never had a 'freeze/reboot' report AFAIK - more details on that would be useful | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | kaltsi: think you can do a glibc patch that sets vfpv3-d16 for glibc? | 11:00 |
| alund | lbt: i don't know how to generate information about that, it freezes and after a while reboots. | 11:02 |
| kaltsi | Stskeeps: yes, if you point me to where I should do the changes :) | 11:02 |
| * kyyberi back | 11:02 | |
| kaltsi | Stskeeps: which git/obs/project is the source for everything :) | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | kaltsi: wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail | 11:03 |
| kaltsi | rogr | 11:03 |
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| alund | after pasting the script and rebooting, i am at jan 1. 2000, 15:23:24 | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | RTC issues? | 11:13 |
| alund | maybe so | 11:14 |
| alund | how can i know? | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | well if it resets at every reboot | 11:15 |
| alund | wait, the ntp thingy was turned of in PA settings | 11:16 |
| alund | but turning it on does nothing, the apply button was forgotten by the designers | 11:16 |
| lbt | alund: nb .. the stuff I told you about vboxservice - sorry, thought I was on another channel :) | 11:16 |
| lbt | bit of an unpleasant morning so far :/ | 11:17 |
| * alund kills off X to see if that works as an apply button | 11:18 | |
| alund | a very longish operation, for some reason plasma-device is a veeeeeeeeeery slow starter | 11:18 |
| alund | lbt: quite unpleasant for me, as far as my nexus concerned :\ | 11:19 |
| alund | ntp is now appearently on, but date is wrong | 11:20 |
| alund | ntpdate does not exist on the system, has it been replaced by som systemd thingy? | 11:21 |
| alund | given the plasma widgets to manually adjust time, that is plainly not possible | 11:23 |
| alund | those are a usability disaster | 11:24 |
| alund | maybe becaue of the screen resolution, but i can't set the date and time | 11:24 |
| alund | or, not easily | 11:25 |
| alund | those spinners so easily goes bonkers, and the hit area is not working well, it is too easy to hit the next row | 11:26 |
| alund | lbt: do you know if ntp is used, or is is some systemd thing that sets the time? because it doesn't work. | 11:27 |
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| lbt | alund: you'll need to check in #active for that | 11:30 |
| alund | lbt: ok, thanks | 11:31 |
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| alund | lbt: what was the other stuff good for then? | 11:34 |
| lbt | the SDK and emulation stuff for sailfish/mer | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jucato: did your question got answered ? (about how to run PA on the Arnova 7 G2) ? | 11:35 |
| alund | hm | 11:35 |
| alund | i'm not using that at all .. | 11:35 |
| alund | maybe my device lost the time setting, it was 100% drained for power | 11:36 |
| alund | my guess is that PA requires ntp | 11:36 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: the glibc -mfpu option should only go to the tnhl version? | 11:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 11:48 |
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| Jucato | Sfiet_Konstantin: um. just a bit. I'm still a bit lost because I've never tried to make a custom firmware for any Android device before. but I guess it's a good thing that someone has made one for this particular device so I guess I just have to find out how he/she did it | 11:50 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jucato: well, first question, is the bootloader open ? | 11:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or unlocked ? | 11:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | second thing, if you want to boot an Android derivative, you have to see in specialized chans / forums (like XDA) | 11:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you want PA, you might (will) need a linux distro derivative, and mer have that role | 11:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you might need to have a compatible bootloader (dunno how are the android ones so ...) | 11:52 |
| Jucato | Sfiet_Konstantin: oh I definitely want PA. and yes definitely Mer. :) | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jucato: first task: find spec and bootloader | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jucato: for example: you might need fastbood | 11:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I don't know android world much | 11:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | after that, you will be able to deploy a basic image on it | 11:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | beware it is a lot of trial and error | 11:55 |
| Jucato | np about trial and error. I guess I'm even ok with bricking this thing :) | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jucato: btw, if it works, be sure to do a vid and share it :) | 11:56 |
| Artox | Ho | 11:56 |
| Artox | I have been wondering a bit about pot scripts using mic | 11:56 |
| Artox | post* | 11:56 |
| Artox | when are they executed? | 11:56 |
| Jucato | Sfiet_Konstantin: hehe sure. I'm going to take notes too :) | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have never done adaptation on ARM SW, and all I learnt is from Mer Wiki, Nemo and the Mer platform SDK | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jucato: you definitely need fastboot i think http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/Doc:_fastboot_intro | 11:58 |
| Jucato | Sfiet_Konstantin: I might have to ask around in other places and android forums. I'm just hoping that it's a good sign that someone was able to make a custom firmware for it | 11:58 |
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| Jucato | Sfiet_Konstantin: btw, which "spec" is this? (I'm currently thinking of .spec files for RPM packaging >.<) | 12:00 |
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| kaltsi | armv8el arch name bugs me a lot :) | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeh.. | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | well, i think you recall the discussion | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:04 |
| kaltsi | yeah sort of.. | 12:05 |
| kaltsi | btw why is this repository and project Core:i486? https://build.ci.merproject.org/project/meta?project=Core%3Aarmv7tnhl | 12:06 |
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| kaltsi | when I do my branch from Mer:MDS:Core:armv7tnhl, should I put armv7tnhl to the repo/project meta or i486? I put armv7tnhl | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | err.. in <arch>armv8el</arch> | 12:08 |
| kaltsi | the arch says that but the <path has i486 | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | well, you need both-ish | 12:09 |
| kaltsi | well I'll put this to my "magic - need to understand later" list | 12:11 |
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| kaltsi | I wonder if I could separate building the locales from building glibc.. that step takes forever on arm | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | i've considered that myself | 12:49 |
| kaltsi | the step is very easy to remove from the spec | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but we can't remove it entirely | 12:52 |
| kaltsi | maybe it could be made into a separate package that gets only rebuilt on request | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | i want to accelerate it at some point | 12:53 |
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| kontio | lbt: I want give gitpkg a chance but no idea what I need to do :-) I have a git repo which is supposed to be upstream and I have already some packaging existing... so what gp_setup options do I need to set? | 12:56 |
| kaltsi | kontio, does readme here help? :) https://github.com/lbt/git-pkg | 12:57 |
| kontio | kaltsi: I'm studying since a while, but I can't see my use case :-) | 12:57 |
| kaltsi | ok :) | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | martyone: i appreciate the sentiment in line 9 of http://review.merproject.org/#patch,sidebyside,1245,2,libaccounts-glib.spec but could you change it to the full filename? | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | it won't be terribly nice for whoever upgrades else :) | 13:00 |
| martyone | Stskeeps: actually I was of the same opinion :D but see https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Packaging_guidelines#Patches | 13:02 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's a little too literal | 13:03 |
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| Stskeeps | but ok, that's what packaging guidelines say | 13:04 |
| kaltsi | Stskeeps: btw would you like to have this mfpu as a patch or is just a spec-file change enough? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | spec file should be fine | 13:05 |
| kaltsi | good :) | 13:05 |
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| lbt | kontio: yep - I'm actually working on gitpkg in the evening at the moment | 13:38 |
| lbt | what's your use case? | 13:38 |
| lbt | I'm removing gp_setup - too complex to explain/use | 13:38 |
| kontio | lbt: for the moment I gave up and used git archive :-) but use case would be: I have already an obs package, the git repo we will be in future "upstream" so how to set up gitpkg to work... | 13:39 |
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| kontio | you know for some of the tdriver packages, we will be upstream... | 13:39 |
| kontio | so would need a setup as for e.g. sdk-webapp | 13:40 |
| kontio | kind the same use case... but how to set it up... I didn't get from the readme | 13:40 |
| lbt | OK, I'll explain that in the docs | 13:41 |
| kontio | ok will give it a shot once the docs are updated :-) | 13:43 |
| lbt | "Worked Example: Importing oprofile" is close to what you want | 13:44 |
| lbt | branch names are wrong iirc | 13:44 |
| kontio | I did something like that, with "gp_setup --existing --pkgdir=~/OBS/home:kontio:branches:Mer:Tools/qttas --base=1.5.3", but then it complained about "Please commit or stash them before using gp_setup.", and some "No such file or directory"... so I had no idea how to continue from that... | 13:46 |
| lbt | yeah - it's bloody complex and a bit fragile | 13:59 |
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| Stskeeps | /whois dlewen | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | well that turned awkward quickly | 14:09 |
| kaltsi | any ideas why when I enter the mer sdk root and install emacs, C-tab won't work in that emacs? tab works but M-x describe-key C-tab describes <tab> for me, not C-tab | 14:10 |
| lbt | kaltsi: hint - emacsclient works :) | 14:11 |
| lbt | and no | 14:11 |
| kaltsi | ahh.. I never got used to working with emacsclient :-/ | 14:11 |
| kaltsi | and at this age, it's too late :D | 14:12 |
| lbt | so do you use X version of emacs? | 14:12 |
| lbt | or pure terminal/console | 14:12 |
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| kaltsi | normally X, but I just open copious amounts of them, or hunt one that's open and C-f the file I need | 14:13 |
| kaltsi | C-x C-f | 14:13 |
| lbt | yep - I designed the platform SDK to be emacs friendly | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | you did what | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:14 |
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| Bostik | where are the tar and feathers? | 14:15 |
| kaltsi | tar -f | 14:15 |
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| dlewen | Stskeeps, haha :) | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | dlewen: welcome to #mer ;) | 14:17 |
| lbt | didn't you realise? | 14:17 |
| dlewen | Stskeeps, thanks :) | 14:17 |
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| kontio | lbt: can you consider https://build.pub.meego.com/request/show/8430 pls, that works nicely with w00t's qt patch 0029 in Mer | 14:37 |
| kontio | would be nice if we can have that with together with next mer prerelease | 14:38 |
| lbt | grumble - tell me when your gitpkg question is for Tools ... it's mandatory there | 14:39 |
| lbt | kontio: are you do3rm4n ? | 14:40 |
| kontio | lbt: yep | 14:40 |
| lbt | ok, cool | 14:41 |
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| kaltsi | ah it's not emacs in sdk chroot that eats my ctrl-tab, it's the gnome terminal | 14:48 |
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| sardini | hello | 15:14 |
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| xavi_ | dear sirs, I would like to contribute verifying fixed bugs, and would like to know what do I nedd to sart | 15:47 |
| xavi_ | I m new to the project | 15:47 |
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| dm8tbr | welcome | 15:50 |
| dm8tbr | what brings you here xavi_? | 15:50 |
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| xavi_ | interest in Linux for mobile devices.Sir. I work in an ISP from Argentina wiyh Linux Servers, own a Nokia N9 and very interest in this Operating System | 15:57 |
| xavi_ | I ´ve already create an account on Mer page | 15:58 |
| xavi_ | thanks for your welocme Sir | 15:58 |
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| dm8tbr | xavi_ ok | 16:22 |
| dm8tbr | xavi_: you should probably also subscribe to the mailing list | 16:22 |
| dm8tbr | iekku: got time to give xavi_ some hints? | 16:23 |
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| xavi_ | m8tbr I ´m also suscribe to the mailing list | 16:24 |
| xavi_ | the MER-GENERAL one | 16:24 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 16:24 |
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| xavi_ | I'm a little lost on what to do | 16:25 |
| dm8tbr | that's a good start then | 16:25 |
| dm8tbr | you could start out by running a Nemo image in a virtual machine | 16:26 |
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| xavi_ | yes that´just what I would like to know | 16:26 |
| xavi_ | so as to be familiar and understand a little more about MER | 16:27 |
| xavi_ | I try to follow the steps in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 16:27 |
| xavi_ | is this ok? | 16:28 |
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| dm8tbr | xavi_: you could try this first https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine | 16:30 |
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| dm8tbr | those images are Mer + Nemo. Nemo is middleware and UI. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | plfiorini: happen to have played around with kms and virtualbox? | 16:32 |
| xavi_ | oh that´s ok Sir | 16:33 |
| xavi_ | I was looking in the incorrect place | 16:33 |
| xavi_ | yes I´ve been reading, Mer is only the core without Hardware drivers and UI | 16:35 |
| xavi_ | I was interested in that the Mer Core | 16:36 |
| dm8tbr | yes, it's just that the core doesn't do anything without those other parts | 16:36 |
| xavi_ | start verifying simple bugs | 16:37 |
| xavi_ | Mer only start a Linux OS in the smartphone | 16:38 |
| dm8tbr | about QA you can talk to iekku once she shows up | 16:38 |
| xavi_ | Ok Sir she can guide me how to start....? | 16:39 |
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| iekku | ahoy | 16:50 |
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| xavi_ | hi iekku how are you | 16:51 |
| iekku | xavi_, happy :) it's always nice to see new people joining | 16:52 |
| xavi_ | Thank you very much..I would like to contribute verifying fixed bugs, and would like to know what do I need to sart | 16:53 |
| xavi_ | dm8tbr tell me to download first https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine | 16:53 |
| xavi_ | think in starting start verifying simple bugs | 16:54 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps: yep but couldn't get weston to work (but it might be the dri driver missing) | 16:55 |
| iekku | xavi_, first you need access to bugzilla, trying to find introduction for that | 16:55 |
| plfiorini | Stskeeps: gotta run see you later | 16:55 |
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| xavi_ | iekku I have opened an account in the Mer page and bugzilla | 16:56 |
| iekku | xavi_, ok then :) | 16:56 |
| xavi_ | is there something else I must do? | 16:57 |
| iekku | xavi_, no, not really | 16:58 |
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| iekku | if you don't have devices where you can test | 16:58 |
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| iekku | xavi_, here's a list of the bugs/tasks which should be fixed: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=RESOLVED&columnlist=short_desc%2Ccomponent%2Cbug_severity%2Cpriority&resolution=FIXED&product=Mer%20Core | 17:00 |
| iekku | xavi_, it depends on your background what are easy to verify for you | 17:01 |
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| iekku | :D | 17:01 |
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| iekku | i hope i didn't scare him :/ | 17:02 |
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| xavi | iekku_sorry I was desconected. I will be buying a Nokia N9 and till I ´ve got it I have a Dsktop with Uubuntu 12.04 and Virtualbox installed on it with a Debian and Centos Servers virtualized | 17:07 |
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| iekku | xavi, did you get the list before you were disconnected? | 17:09 |
| xavi | no sorry I was telling you that I have a MER account and a Bugzilla account | 17:10 |
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| xavi | couldn´t read your answer, sorry | 17:10 |
| iekku | xavi_, here's a list of the bugs/tasks which should be fixed: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&bug_status=RESOLVED&columnlist=short_desc%2Ccomponent%2Cbug_severity%2Cpriority&resolution=FIXED&product=Mer%20Core | 17:10 |
| iekku | xavi, can't say which are easy to verify, it depends on your own bakcground also | 17:11 |
| iekku | xavi, search for the one you can try to verify, then check it's realy fixed and add comments, including the release you are using | 17:12 |
| kaltsi | Stskeeps: about osc and -p option.. it almost looks like osc cannot prefer any local arm[v7tnhl] packages when building with 'armv8el' arch/scheduler | 17:15 |
| xavi | iekku, these are bugs that have been solved and need to test if it really works? | 17:15 |
| kaltsi | there are a couple of functions in the python scripts that pass around 'architecture' which gets set to 'armv8el' and then a thingy that looks at the local packages which are fooo-1.0.armv7hl.rpm and checks if armv8el matches with armv7hl .. doesn't -> don't prefer | 17:16 |
| iekku | xavi, yes | 17:16 |
| iekku | xavi, if they do work, you add comments and change value from "status" field to "VERIFIED" | 17:17 |
| iekku | xavi, if the fix doesn't work, then you add comments and change value from "status" field to "REOPENED" | 17:17 |
| iekku | if there's items you can't understand how to verify you can ask help here. and if there's items you can't verify, just skip them. | 17:18 |
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| xavi | iekku, ok I understand, but do I need a Nokia N9 to start verifying resolved bugs or can test them with the virtual machine? | 17:20 |
| iekku | depends on bug :) | 17:24 |
| xavi | ok | 17:28 |
| xavi | I will start trying to install the virtual machine | 17:28 |
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| kaltsi | Stskeeps: yep that's the reason .. small patch for osc coming later | 17:29 |
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| xavi | iekku, thanks for your kind attention, securely will need help | 17:33 |
| xavi | and sorry for the trouble | 17:34 |
| xavi | hope can help | 17:34 |
| xavi | in this project | 17:34 |
| iekku | everything counts :) if you have any questions, please ask | 17:36 |
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| xavi | thnaks | 17:38 |
| xavi | regards | 17:38 |
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| siavoshkc | lbt | 17:49 |
| lbt | o/ | 17:50 |
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