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| situ | Morning | 04:42 |
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| timoph | all mer folk at mwc? | 06:17 |
| mikhas_ | tehehe, he said merfolk | 06:19 |
| timoph | s/mer/jolla/ actually, but almost the same nowadays | 06:22 |
| mikhas_ | so other contributors dont count as merfolk? ;-) | 06:23 |
| timoph | they do | 06:24 |
| timoph | at least I count myself as one | 06:24 |
| mikhas_ | are you at MWC? | 06:24 |
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| timoph | nope :) | 06:25 |
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| mikhas_ | Question answered! | 06:25 |
| mikhas_ | ;-) | 06:25 |
| timoph | x) | 06:25 |
| mikhas_ | SCNR | 06:25 |
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| timoph | anyway. looks like I'll be doing my master's thesis about automated crash analysis using mer | 06:26 |
| timoph | unless something unexpected happens | 06:26 |
| timoph | will know for sure during this week | 06:27 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: ^ | 06:27 |
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| timoph | so I'll ne someone from the project to be the mentor for me on that (unless things change) | 06:28 |
| mikhas_ | hm, sounds like our rich cores we had in Meego dev | 06:29 |
| timoph | yep | 06:29 |
| mikhas_ | would be uploaded to a server automatically and processed there -- invaluable tool at later stage of development | 06:30 |
| timoph | planning to use exactly that | 06:30 |
| timoph | I already did a mer version of rich-core some months ago | 06:30 |
| mikhas_ | ask VDVsx, his team produced most of the crashes so he must be an expert ;-) | 06:30 |
| timoph | and a script that rsyncs the filesystem from the device to a pc, sets up sb2 tagets, extracts the core and produces the bt | 06:31 |
| mikhas_ | eh | 06:31 |
| mikhas_ | you dont really need that | 06:31 |
| timoph | inside the sdk chroot | 06:31 |
| mikhas_ | if the web ui shows the backtrace and can compare backtraces (with some fuzzy matching) from bug reports, you are golden | 06:31 |
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| timoph | that's the ticket. I need to collect input for deciding on what to focus | 06:32 |
| VDVsx | mikhas_, what ? drinking again in the morning ? :P | 06:32 |
| timoph | and what would be actually usefull | 06:32 |
| mikhas_ | if the rich-core contains the image information, one could try to repro it | 06:33 |
| mikhas_ | but the point is that this is for bugs you (as a dev) have no time/means to repro | 06:33 |
| mikhas_ | say, only happens 1 in a 1000 attempts | 06:33 |
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| timoph | that's why I did the initial version with rsync so I could get the same environment | 06:35 |
| timoph | it's actually surprisinly fast | 06:35 |
| timoph | althought my initial motivation for it was to collect dumps from nightly test runs, etc. | 06:36 |
| mikhas_ | you want to collect rich core dumps from actual users, too | 06:36 |
| timoph | yep | 06:36 |
| mikhas_ | nightly tests will produce a lot of noise if a bad release got in that day | 06:37 |
| timoph | true | 06:37 |
| mikhas_ | means you need a lot of processing power | 06:37 |
| mikhas_ | or prioritize user-generated rich cores | 06:38 |
| mikhas_ | the GNOME bugtracker compares backtraces I think | 06:39 |
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| mikhas_ | so bugzilla might have some features you could re-use, perhaps | 06:39 |
| timoph | yeah. I've seen something like it somewhere too | 06:39 |
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| niqt | morning | 08:22 |
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| Bostik | something like that | 08:27 |
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| * lpotter compiles sensorfw based sensor plugin for qt5 for the first time | 08:39 | |
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| faenil | lpotter, cool | 08:46 |
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| lpotter | only took a couple lines changed, really | 08:52 |
| Stskeeps | so sensorfw for qt5? | 08:52 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, moo | 08:53 |
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| Bostik | to err is human, to moo is bovine | 08:55 |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: :) | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: good work | 08:59 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, moo | 08:59 |
| faenil | iios | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | moo faenil | 08:59 |
| faenil | oops | 08:59 |
| faenil | sorry...connections issues :/ | 08:59 |
| faenil | Bostik, lol :) | 08:59 |
| lpotter | testing it might be tricky | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | well, we can't do it through contextkit unless we port that | 09:02 |
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| lpotter | hmm... bah! contextkit.. who uses that :) | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/25/4027018/lg-buys-webos-smart-tv | 09:17 |
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| Uninstall | anyone has a good kickstart for x86 tables? | 09:21 |
| Uninstall | I need something good for my exopc | 09:21 |
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| Stskeeps | nemo one is a good basis | 09:21 |
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| Uninstall | device-mapper-libs-1.02.76-1.6.i586 requires libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) | 10:11 |
| Uninstall | nss-sysinit-3.13.3-1.61.i586 requires libc.so.6(GLIBC_2.1.3) | 10:11 |
| Uninstall | glib2-2.32.4-1.7.i586 requires libresolv.so. | 10:11 |
| Uninstall | etc.... | 10:11 |
| Stskeeps | -A i686 | 10:11 |
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| Uninstall | so I need to change repo lines | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | no | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | just add -A i686 before .ks fine | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | er, part | 10:17 |
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| Uninstall | so: repo --name=mer-core --baseurl=http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i586/packages/ --save | 10:18 |
| Uninstall | is ok, right? | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's in the mic cr livecd part, like -A i686 | 10:19 |
| Uninstall | Failed to build transaction : nemo-mobile-configs-x86-generic-2-1.1.i586 requires nemo-mobile-session | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | missing a repo? changed the .ks in any ways? | 10:25 |
| Uninstall | wait one second | 10:25 |
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| Uninstall | http://pastebin.com/bTNThYV6 | 10:28 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: this is my edited version of plasma active kickstart | 10:29 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 10:33 |
| * Stskeeps has to go for a bit | 10:33 | |
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| Uninstall | how do I include some files that are on my home into mic generated image? | 12:05 |
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| xmlich02 | Hey guys, I would like to invite you to our conference about opensource and mobile technologies in Bratislava at 6th-7th April. See CfP http://www.openmobility.eu/en/ | 13:27 |
| xmlich02 | lbt, I promised at fosdem I will ping you about this conference | 13:28 |
| lbt | xmlich02: hey | 13:28 |
| lbt | Excellent - lets see if we can sort something out | 13:29 |
| lbt | I'm actually a bit busy atm so expect high latency in replies :) | 13:30 |
| xmlich02 | I have high latency too (-; | 13:31 |
| Uninstall | I really need some help: how do I configure the script that is launched when X starts? | 13:32 |
| Uninstall | what I get is a black screen :/ | 13:32 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 14:10 |
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| CosmoHill | has a new router :) | 14:54 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: did you mention some weeks ago that you had some clues/ideas/something related to the black vkb on n7 issue? | 15:06 |
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| lbt | https://twitter.com/lbt_/status/306062217529397248 | 15:27 |
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| VDVsx | all welcome at #sailfishos :) | 15:29 |
| timoph | do you have cookies? | 15:33 |
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| faenil | timoph, and vodka! | 15:38 |
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| CosmoHill | hi (I'm configuring my new router hence the coming and going) | 16:01 |
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| crevetor | It seems the SDK download is overloaded :( | 16:12 |
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| lbt | crevetor: CDN is warming up | 16:19 |
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| crevetor | lbt: Yeah I was able to download it after a while | 16:35 |
| * wmarone waits for linux vm to update | 16:35 | |
| lbt | wmarone: you need to install direct to the laptop/desktop | 16:36 |
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| lbt | it runs VMs of its own | 16:36 |
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| wmarone | oh | 16:37 |
| wmarone | hmm | 16:37 |
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| wmarone | that limits my ability to use it then :/ | 16:37 |
| shmerl | lbt: Did you mean the Sailifish SDK? | 16:39 |
| lbt | wmarone: sorry - wouldn't want to waste your time | 16:39 |
| lbt | shmerl: yes | 16:39 |
| lbt | we'll be doing native for other OSes soon | 16:39 |
| shmerl | lbt: Is there some rootfs image that can be plugged in into existing Mer SDK installation? | 16:39 |
| wmarone | lbt: oh it just means I have to wait until later and install it on my native linux machine at home | 16:39 |
| wmarone | laptop will just be a bit trickier | 16:39 |
| wmarone | :D | 16:39 |
| lbt | wmarone: OK - 700Mb download btw... | 16:40 |
| wmarone | not a problem | 16:40 |
| lbt | shmerl: mmm | 16:40 |
| wmarone | congratulations on the release today | 16:40 |
| lbt | ty | 16:40 |
| lbt | shmerl: not trivially - but technically ... it's an area I'm working on to remove the need for VMs | 16:41 |
| shmerl | Didn't you work on solution with using it either in VM or straight rootfs? | 16:41 |
| shmerl | Ah, I see, so it's work in progress. | 16:41 |
| wmarone | hmm | 16:42 |
| wmarone | CDN seems to have warmed up | 16:42 |
| shmerl | Is it using it's own VM? Or I can plug it into VirtualBox too? | 16:42 |
| wmarone | shmerl: given lbt's comment I'm guessing it uses its own VM | 16:42 |
| wmarone | and needs the VTx instructions | 16:42 |
| shmerl | wmarone: OK. | 16:43 |
| shmerl | I have those on my CPU. | 16:43 |
| lbt | so - the SDK launches VMs | 16:43 |
| lbt | it's possible that you can make nested VMs work | 16:43 |
| lbt | but I've not tried | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | wmarone: i used it without VTx | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | though no nested VMs | 16:44 |
| crevetor | is it normal that ther's no apps/settings in the sailfish sdk ? | 16:44 |
| Jonni | crevetor: yes, only components gallery should be visible. | 16:45 |
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| crevetor | :'( | 16:46 |
| shmerl | lbt: So normal rootfs like for Nemo would be around the same time as the official OS release? | 16:46 |
| lbt | shmerl: the SDK comes with a target rootfs | 16:48 |
| shmerl | Ah, so I can just extract that and plug it into regular Mer SDK and then use with sb2? | 16:48 |
| lbt | yes | 16:48 |
| lbt | well | 16:48 |
| lbt | no need to extract/plugin | 16:48 |
| lbt | it should share | 16:49 |
| shmerl | I mean, I'm not sure where it goes by default, but I install my Mer targets in one place usually according to the wiki. | 16:49 |
| shmerl | You should probably give an option to download the rootfs alone. | 16:49 |
| lbt | shmerl: I wanted to - but Sailfish is not 100% opensource so it's not redistributable | 16:50 |
| shmerl | I see. So it has no repos set up yet? | 16:50 |
| lbt | it does - releases.sailfishos.org | 16:51 |
| lbt | but that's not enough to build a full image | 16:51 |
| lbt | it contains the open code (of course) | 16:51 |
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| shmerl | lbt: OK. But I don't really see the difference with you giving a VM bundled with rootfs and also rootfs - the same non redistributable restrictions apply. | 16:52 |
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| lbt | *nod* but time is limited - and we have to QA it - and possibly deal with questions about it | 16:54 |
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| shmerl | Sure, I don't mind starting with this download for now. | 16:54 |
| lbt | ty | 16:54 |
| * lbt also needs sleep :D | 16:54 | |
| shmerl | :D | 16:55 |
| crevetor | initeresting stuff in the Jolla repos :) | 16:55 |
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| shmerl | mostly core mer packages and some qt sailfish specific stuff. | 17:00 |
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| lbt | + nemo | 17:01 |
| shmerl | Right | 17:03 |
| shmerl | A pity you were stuck with Qt 4 still, but hopefully you'll move to Qt 5 soon enough. | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | shipping beats technology | 17:04 |
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| Biggy | hi all | 18:14 |
| lbt | hi Biggy | 18:14 |
| Biggy | hi lbt | 18:15 |
| Biggy | firstly i apologize for my english | 18:15 |
| Biggy | so | 18:16 |
| Biggy | i have a question about sailfish sdk | 18:16 |
| lbt | sure - though usually #sailfishos is a better place | 18:16 |
| lbt | unless you're really looking at hacking on qtcreator itself | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 18:17 |
| Biggy | thank you David | 18:17 |
| CosmoHill | Biggy: best to use people's nicks online unless you've asked first to use their real name | 18:18 |
| lbt | as much as anything it helps with highlight/alerts that our nick was used | 18:19 |
| CosmoHill | also other people maybe know them by their real name | 18:20 |
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| shmerl | What are a targets of #jollamobile and #sailfish channels now? I need to follow both for related stuff? | 18:25 |
| shmerl | I mean #sailfishos | 18:25 |
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| Stskeeps | remember sailfish's not meant to be just jolla | 18:26 |
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| shmerl | Right, but now it's mostly still is. | 18:36 |
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| vgrade | super fast sdk site | 19:35 |
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| iceman2 | Will sailos respect my freedom ? | 21:05 |
| iekku | hmm? | 21:06 |
| Stskeeps | #sailfishos or #jollamobile | 21:06 |
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