| CosmoHill | I have a choice between using the track pad / wired mouse or charging the battery >.< | 00:06 |
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| Bostik | morning | 05:55 |
| lbt | so it is | 05:56 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 05:59 |
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| situ | Morning | 06:44 |
| mikhas | my coffee told me the same | 06:45 |
| iekku | my didn't yet, need more | 06:49 |
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| CosmoHill | hi | 08:58 |
| CosmoHill | snow \o/ | 08:58 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 09:13 |
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| CosmoHill | I have a day off but I forgot to turn off the alarm | 09:14 |
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| Aard | CosmoHill: not using alarms when you don't have days off eliminates that problem :) | 09:15 |
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| CosmoHill | Aard: means I get a productive day off :) | 09:32 |
| CosmoHill | on the other side, I have the discovery channel | 09:32 |
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| mikhas | Aard, CosmoHill: never using an alarm solves the problem, too. | 09:48 |
| Aard | mikhas: that's what I meant. | 09:48 |
| mikhas | Aard, ah yes, sneaky double negation! | 09:50 |
| mikhas | I hope you dont write code like that ;-) | 09:50 |
| stefan_schmidt_w | !!no | 09:51 |
| Merbot | stefan_schmidt_w: Error: "!no" is not a valid command. | 09:51 |
| Aard | your brain is just not up to the task :p | 09:51 |
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| CosmoHill | I found a line of code that went if() { do something} else { do same thing } | 09:58 |
| CosmoHill | i think it had been on my live site for over four years | 09:58 |
| miklocek | anyone knows how to get rid off "screen saver" on emulator ? | 09:59 |
| CosmoHill | put a hamster on the keyboard | 09:59 |
| miklocek | it gets on when ACPI shutdown is sent | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | miklocek: if nemo, acpi shutdown | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | oh, rid of? | 09:59 |
| Stskeeps | that's a little more complex :) | 09:59 |
| miklocek | Stskeeps: how does it work exactly ? | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | miklocek: mce daemon | 10:00 |
| spiiroin | Stskeeps: is mce in mer? | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | spiiroin: no, i think miklocek uses a nemo image | 10:01 |
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| spiiroin | Stskeeps, miklocek: try "mcetool -Don" -> the automatic (timer based) display dimming/blanking is turned off | 10:02 |
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| miklocek | Stskeeps: bingo , thanks a lot ! does the job | 10:02 |
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| auri__ | veskuh: ping | 10:20 |
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| sardini | hi all | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | heya | 15:42 |
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| Stskeeps | ali1234: so, objective first impressions on ubuntu phone? | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | lol | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | i don't like the swiping much | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | especially that bottom menu stuff | 20:45 |
| ali1234 | the photo app is a perfect example | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: i could care less about ui, anybody can do a pretty ui these days :P wondering about technological basis | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | hmm | 20:46 |
| ali1234 | i don't have much of an opinion on that at this point | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i'm not really sure how it even works | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | they say it's using surface flinger | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | that it does | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | i don't understand how that's possible :) | 20:47 |
| ali1234 | did they patch qt? | 20:47 |
| morphis | ali1234: magic :) | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | ali1234: libhybris, not terribly big magic | 20:48 |
| morphis | ali1234: they have written their own QPA for this | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, qpa for qt5 | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | i mean i understand that libhybris gives access to these drivers | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | what's a QPA? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | platform backend for qt basically | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | ok | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | you can do linuxfb, eglfs, xcb, etc.. | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | well it all seems logical | 20:48 |
| ali1234 | later they can implement wayland on top of surface flinger or whatever | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | meh, why bother | 20:49 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/12120007.jpg | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | just use the in-built primitives | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | and get real wayland going | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | well ok | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | what i mean is, they don't have to carry on using surface flinger | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 20:49 |
| ali1234 | specifically maintaining a qt backend for it directly | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | presumably they might want to run gtk at some point | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's again with the firefox os argumentation, that leveraging android hw adaptation gives you shorter time to market | 20:50 |
| ali1234 | well it certainly seems like that is true | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | personally i'm more of 'let's use as little as android as possible' fan | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | sure | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | but then what hardware have you got? | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | raspberry pi? | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i've got a qualcomm, hp touchpad | 20:51 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu won't even run on that | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | ah, you misunderstand | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | i want to use as little of android services as possible | 20:51 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | services means what? | 20:52 |
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| Stskeeps | like running processes in an android chroot | 20:52 |
| ali1234 | then how do you access the drivers? | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris, link the shared libraries directly :P | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | i think the point of using android chroot is *only* so they could just nick all the hardware stuff from cyanogen | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | it's a little more than that though | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | that opens up a lot of hardware | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | supposedly there's a smaller number of processes running there | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | but i might be wrong, i didn't actually running it | 20:53 |
| ali1234 | smaller than what? | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | small number of processes | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | and "there" = where? | 20:54 |
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| ali1234 | oh you mean in android? | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | in the android chroot | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | or, outside android chroot? | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | *ubuntu chroot | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | lol, confusing | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | ubuntu is running in the chroot | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's one of the more bizarre setups | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | you;re saying some android stuff runs outside this, in the main system... | 20:54 |
| ali1234 | yes, that's true i guess | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | but android drivers are basically userspace daemons | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | in -my- libhybris setups i just have /system copied in :P | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | and use the libs i need to | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | i think they want to keep it separate | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | cearly defined | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | *clearly | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | i can see the logic in that | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | but anyway.. good to see a dent being made in the inability to get sane hw adaptation for devices | 20:55 |
| ali1234 | you don't want any more crappy firmware inside your nice chroot | 20:55 |
| Aard | ali1234: actually, the setup with a small system bringing stuff up, and then running the main system in chroot is not that bad. given you only have two year old technology :) | 20:56 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: it';s better than raspberry pi with gpu marshallling all hardware access :/ | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | although in the end i guess these socs probably do that anyway | 20:57 |
| ali1234 | Stskeeps: there's only one ubuntu root filesystem for all devices... if they put system into the image they'd have to ake one for each device... and they are 500mb | 20:58 |
| ali1234 | the android stuff is like 40mb | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, ok | 20:58 |
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| ali1234 | i don't think it makes a huge amount of difference in the end, it's achieving the same thing | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | what this really does is reduce android down to a nice BSP build system | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | which is where it got it's popularity really | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | yes | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | i'm building for galaxysmtd right now | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | if i can do it anyone can | 20:59 |
| ali1234 | i don't even need to worry about building ubuntu image with pbuilder and debootstrap | 21:00 |
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| ali1234 | i jst grab the zip after phablet is done building | 21:00 |
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| ali1234 | what i would like to see though, is how to rebuild with a X11 based Qt5 and then deploy to N900 or even x86 | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | no such thing as a x11 based qt5 | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | x11's just a qpa module | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | you build towards qt5 and can use same binaries on x11, wayland, etc | 21:01 |
| ali1234 | ok but i would have to build a different .deb | 21:02 |
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| ali1234 | or at least a .deb with the right QPA in it | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | nop? | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | i can do qmlscene -platform wayland foo.qml | 21:02 |
| ali1234 | only if it was built the right way | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | it's just a .so that qt loads and uses it as platform abstraction | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | same binary i can qmlscene -platform xcb, or -platform linuxfb with | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | i doubt they have built in x11 support to the qt5 build in phablet | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | or ubuntu-touch rather | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | it's shippable without including in an image | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | i have qt5-platform-xcb package | 21:03 |
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| Stskeeps | and qt5-platform-wayland etc | 21:03 |
| ali1234 | you're totally missing the point | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | i think we're definately talking past eachother :P | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | in order to make it work, i'd need to build it in a .deb and then install it into ubuntu system | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | this isn't about qt5 per se, but about how the ubuntu part of the image is built | 21:04 |
| ali1234 | ie how the root filesystem is made, where it debootstraps from | 21:05 |
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| ali1234 | even if this is easy for qt5, it probably won't be easy to remove the ofono-android wrapper and replace those with something else | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | same for pulseaudio | 21:06 |
| ali1234 | and if i wanna to x86 then i definitely have to rebuild a lot of packages that currently don't have x86 builds at all | 21:07 |
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| ali1234 | i did try to chroot into ubuntu-touch root file system with qemu | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | and qt stuff segfaulted when i tried to send it to xephyr :1 | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | it did try to open display though, so who know? | 21:13 |
| ali1234 | i probably did it wrong :) | 21:14 |
| Kyle | heh | 21:16 |
| ali1234 | i think it just needs egl | 21:16 |
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| rsequeir | have a question on MWC in Barcelona.. | 21:19 |
| rsequeir | how is it possible to have a business meeting con il team Jolla... | 21:20 |
| rsequeir | ? | 21:20 |
| ali1234 | they have their own irc channel | 21:21 |
| rsequeir | meening ? | 21:21 |
| rsequeir | how can you speak with them ? | 21:21 |
| ali1234 | well, you could ask on #jolla | 21:21 |
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| rsequeir | twitter ? | 21:21 |
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| ali1234 | wait... web chat user :) | 21:22 |
| lpotter | rsequeir: #jolla or try talking to cybette or Stskeeps would be a good start | 21:23 |
| iekku | :) | 21:23 |
| lpotter | or iekku | 21:23 |
| virtuald | rsequeir: try doubleclicking #jolla | 21:23 |
| iekku | oh, we have #jolla also, haven't even notice :P | 21:23 |
| lpotter | err #jollamobile | 21:23 |
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| lpotter | really? | 21:24 |
| virtuald | um yea | 21:24 |
| virtuald | fap | 21:24 |
| rsequeir | thanks ... you saved my life, was going mad trying to open this #jolla tab :) | 21:24 |
| rsequeir | thanks ! | 21:24 |
| * lpotter goes to get more espresso | 21:24 | |
| * virtuald eats allt the candy | 21:25 | |
| iekku | i should be sleeping | 21:25 |
| iekku | and haven't even packed for mwc trip | 21:25 |
| lpotter | my kids usually start packing a week before anything | 21:26 |
| virtuald | they want you to leave that bad huh | 21:26 |
| iekku | can i loan them before next business trip? :P | 21:26 |
| iekku | ok, of to bed now, need to be ready to leave home in ~10h | 21:28 |
| rsequeir | #iekku | 21:31 |
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| rsequeir | normal to receive response "Cannot send to channel: #jolla" | 21:37 |
| rsequeir | ? | 21:37 |
| ali1234 | rsequeir: you might need to be registered to speak on some channels | 21:38 |
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| lpotter | rsequeir: try #jollamobile | 21:41 |
| rsequeir | way to register ? | 21:44 |
| mikhas | iekku, please make nice pictures from MWC | 21:48 |
| mikhas | and keep us updated on twitter or such | 21:48 |
| iekku | mikhas, if i have time to shoot (didn't took my better camera with me), trying to give some updates | 21:49 |
| iekku | i think me and cybette will be really busy | 21:49 |
| mikhas | hopefully! | 21:49 |
| mikhas | otherwise, what would be the point? ;-) | 21:49 |
| iekku | :D | 21:50 |
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| ali1234 | Stskeeps: have you seen gentoo-bionic? | 22:09 |
| ali1234 | how does that fit in? i think it's compiling the whole distro against bionic... | 22:10 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 23:57 |
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