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| crevetor_ | guys, does anyone hav es2_info compiled for arm7hf ? | 00:49 |
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| davidqi1 | hi | 01:59 |
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| iekku | mornign | 04:03 |
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| situ | Morning | 04:55 |
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| Stskeeps | crevetor: mer-gfx-tests | 06:06 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: from the website: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Architecture, it seems there is no data management in mer, is it? | 07:56 |
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| davidqi | morning | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: define data management? | 07:56 |
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| davidqi | no | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | as in, what do you mean by data management :) | 08:00 |
| davidqi | I mean, how to save some data into where? | 08:00 |
| davidqi | into somewhere | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's sqlite, a whole file system, etc | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | or you can add own middleware on top like nemo does | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | with tracker, mtp, etc | 08:00 |
| davidqi | o, sqlite is just already in mer, right? | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah | 08:02 |
| davidqi | then the website is not up-to-date? | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | the architecture diagram isn't complete - sqlite is in base essentials there, since RPM needs it :) | 08:03 |
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| davidqi | and also, there is no clear and complete definition of supported Qt libraries in mer ... | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | the story is rather that mer doesn't define an application story | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | but keeps maintained a lot of the central components and leave that to vendors | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | to make it easier to build stacks on top of mer | 08:05 |
| davidqi | is it true that the mer base is the minimal root fs I can get thru mer sdk? | 08:07 |
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| davidqi | mer core | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | well, there's more in mer core than is in the kickstarts :) | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's easiest to take a look at the packages that make it into an image and then compare to the rpm repositories | 08:10 |
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| davidqi | do you mean, even the @Mer Core, I can still customize it in some way? | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | you can remove packages with -packagename or add in %packages | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | mer's really fully customizable to put together | 08:12 |
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| davidqi | o, great, where to find all the primitive packages (and their names) ? or is there a guide of how to customize mer building? | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | you do that in the .ks file basically, in %packages section | 08:14 |
| davidqi | yes | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20130124.1/builds/armv7l/packages/armv7l/ http://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20130124.1/builds/armv7l/packages/noarch/ for example | 08:14 |
| davidqi | but which packages can be removed/added? what are their names? | 08:14 |
| davidqi | o | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=patterns/mer-core.yaml;h=07ddff1e7c093ca2f459ccbcf7e82c6459af7fe7;hb=HEAD is what @Mer Core means | 08:15 |
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| davidqi | Thanks Stskeeps. | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | no problem | 08:24 |
| davidqi | which graphics libraries are used in mer? | 08:25 |
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| Stskeeps | in terms of? i think cairo, qt, pixman are the most used ones, and of course you can add opengl es2 in it | 08:25 |
| davidqi | qt has its own graphics library? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, i'm not sure what you mean by graphics library exactly :) | 08:26 |
| davidqi | can qt access the frame buffer directly | 08:27 |
| Bostik | actually I think we already include GLES2, since I've enabled webgl for qtwebkit | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: yes, with linuxfb | 08:27 |
| davidqi | yes, I want to remove GLES2 :) | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, the nogl stuff i have in zephyr is pretty useful for that | 08:28 |
| davidqi | GLES is one of what I call "graphics library" | 08:28 |
| davidqi | I have a TE6410 in hand, which is based on S3c6410, | 08:29 |
| davidqi | I got it from the board vendor , as well as the referenced linux root fs image file | 08:30 |
| davidqi | which is only 50 MB in size | 08:30 |
| davidqi | I am wondering why Mer Core will be 100+ MB | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | because it includes a full linux system, with qt and needed dependencies for apps to work, etc :) | 08:31 |
| davidqi | I think I will have to find the details one by one | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, spend some time studying it :) | 08:31 |
| davidqi | :) | 08:33 |
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| davidqi | BTW, is there any component responsible for supporting communicating thru Infrared Data in mer? | 08:36 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm, i'm not sure | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | if you mean remote control, you could probably add 'lirc' | 08:38 |
| Stskeeps | but IrDA i dont think | 08:38 |
| davidqi | librc? | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | no, lirc - lirc.sf.net | 08:41 |
| davidqi | In theory, if qt is not included, how much size can be saved ? | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | probably a lot but then you also loose a lot of development ease | 08:44 |
| davidqi | how about the qt lite? | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | qt5 is probably best way to strip your size | 08:44 |
| Stskeeps | and not use qt4 | 08:44 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: I ever read documents about meego, there is sensor framework in it, is it also included in Mer? | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:03 |
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| davidqi | As to adding sensor support, besides the driver, what else is needed? for example, GPS? | 09:07 |
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| Stskeeps | location area is a bit different | 09:07 |
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| davidqi | Stskeeps: do you have example of how to add and remove packages in section %package? | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | "python" | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | like | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | %packages | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | @Mer Core | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | python | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's pretty simple really :) | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | to remove, -packagename | 09:38 |
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| davidqi | %packages | 09:38 |
| davidqi | -python | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | for example | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | you usually want to do it in the bottom of the list within %packages section | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | i have to go for a while | 09:39 |
| davidqi | I am pretending the python has already in it. | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 09:39 |
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| rcg | Sage, one question wrt packaging.. in plasma active there is gpsd including dependencies | 10:11 |
| rcg | i just built marble for nemomobile | 10:11 |
| rcg | which relies on gpsd | 10:11 |
| rcg | is it ok to push the gpsd stuff to CE:Shared | 10:11 |
| rcg | ? | 10:12 |
| rcg | essentially this would be a push from Project:KDE:Mer_Extras to CE:MW:Shared | 10:12 |
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| rcg | imho the marble ui is pretty cool and it even offers turn by turn navigation | 10:13 |
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| Sage | rcg: the gps stuff is a bit of a dark hole in nemo/mer atm. can you put links to the packaging of gpsd and marble? | 10:19 |
| rcg | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=marble&project=home%3Awonko%3ACE%3AApps | 10:19 |
| rcg | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=gpsd&project=home%3Awonko%3ACE%3AApps | 10:19 |
| rcg | Sage, ^ | 10:19 |
| rcg | essentially, i branched those off of Project:KDE:Mer_Extras | 10:20 |
| rcg | i just wanted to make sure i have all deps to build against mer | 10:20 |
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| Sage | rcg: for marble that patch looks bad as it is if arch arm. it should be applied to everything or none. Also the comment in it refers to stuff that isn't probably used anymore. Have you tried if the gps works on any device atm.? if you build witout -DBUILD_GPS_FILEREADER_PLUGIN=ON would it build without libgps? | 10:23 |
| rcg | Sage, roger that.. will test if the patch is still needed. | 10:24 |
| Sage | rcg: run specify with newer spectacle for gpsd at least. also we should verify that it works on some hw before just pushing it to nemo imo. | 10:24 |
| rcg | i didn't test without gps | 10:24 |
| rcg | and i didn't test gps due to the lack of hw-support | 10:25 |
| rcg | i see | 10:25 |
| rcg | so, first thing would be to try building marble without gpsd? | 10:25 |
| rcg | and get rid of the possibly obsolete patch | 10:25 |
| Sage | with also the gpsd is a) old version and b) even the upstream has been dead for almost 2 years | 10:25 |
| rcg | i see | 10:26 |
| Sage | err.. no sry got wrong page | 10:26 |
| rcg | my first priority would be to get marble in | 10:26 |
| Sage | there has been actually development on gpsd | 10:26 |
| rcg | so i would try to see if it can build without gpsd | 10:26 |
| rcg | i currently don't have working gps hardware support iirc | 10:27 |
| rcg | and i assume adding gps functionality could be done later as well | 10:27 |
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| Sage | rcg: moving to #nemomobile | 10:28 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage starting soon | 10:55 |
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| lbt | iekku: +1h :) | 10:59 |
| iekku | oh s**t :D | 10:59 |
| iekku | sorry | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: was 0.3 imported? | 11:00 |
| lbt | yes | 11:00 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: good work | 11:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: btw, figured out why kernel-adaptation-n900 no longer builds | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: you're installing stuff in %build into $RPM_BUILD_ROOT | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | new rpm config deletes $RPM_BUILD_ROOT, then executes %install | 11:42 |
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| iekku | mer bug triage! | 12:00 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ./v4l2_calls.h:33:30: fatal error: linux/videodev.h: No such file or directory | 13:06 |
| Sage | compilation terminated. | 13:06 |
| Sage | did we update kernel headers or something in the -next? | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:06 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gst-plugins-good&project=CE%3AMW%3AShared&repository=Mer_Core-next_armv6l | 13:06 |
| Sage | uh... | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, it's safe | 13:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, disable v4l1 i think there's a patch in gerrit for this | 13:06 |
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| crevetor | Stskeeps: there's only eglinfo in mer-gfx-tests | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: shouldn't that be enough? | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | or do you ask gl* about stuff | 13:53 |
| crevetor | I'd like to see the GL extensions too not just the EGL extensions | 13:53 |
| Stskeeps | ah, o | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | k | 13:54 |
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| crevetor | if glxgears or something like that packaged ? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | glestest is what i usually use | 13:58 |
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| crevetor | well glestest runs fine, but the tests from eglext-tests don't all pass | 14:00 |
| crevetor | So I was looking for something that could test more of the GLX extensions | 14:01 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, those aren't really available on non-nokia devices :) | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | typically | 14:01 |
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| crevetor | oh ok | 14:01 |
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| jstaniek_QFridge | Stskeeps: hi, http://www.tizenexperts.com/2013/02/developers-start-engines-tizen-2-0-sdk-released/ with potential unofficial support for Qt apps | 16:12 |
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| faenil | o/ | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 19:43 |
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| berndhs_950 | Hey Cosmo | 21:19 |
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| CosmoHill | hi lbt | 22:24 |
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| lbt | by what insane logic is alsaunmute in /bin and not /usr/bin ... ability to unmute early to allow login beeps? | 22:40 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 22:50 |
| CosmoHill | it's so when you turn the computer on late at night it wakes the wife and kids | 22:50 |
| lbt | :) | 22:55 |
| Morpog_PC | hmmm, ubunto going all in now? Tick, tock, tablet time! | 22:56 |
| Morpog_PC | 17:06:09 | 22:56 |
| Morpog_PC | countdown on http://www.ubuntu.com/ | 22:56 |
| M4rtinK | most probably a rebranded HTC tablet | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | HTC has a synchronized clock on their site | 22:57 |
| CosmoHill | I remember when using ubuntu on my laptop it would play the start tune full volume no matter what state I left it in | 22:57 |
| Morpog_PC | powered by libhybris too? | 22:58 |
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| lbt | probably .... check their credits... I'm sure they'll say ;) | 22:59 |
| M4rtinK | CosmoHill: plus points if you manage to do that in a full lecture room during a lecture :) | 23:00 |
| CosmoHill | why would I reboot during lecture? | 23:00 |
| M4rtinK | well I did that once for some reason :) | 23:01 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 23:13 |
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