Monday, 2013-02-18

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crevetor_guys, does anyone hav es2_info compiled for arm7hf ?00:49
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Stskeepscrevetor: mer-gfx-tests06:06
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davidqiStskeeps: from the website:, it seems there is no data management in mer, is it?07:56
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Stskeepsdavidqi: define data management?07:56
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Stskeepsas in, what do you mean by data management :)08:00
davidqiI mean, how to save some data into where?08:00
davidqiinto somewhere08:00
Stskeepswell, there's sqlite, a whole file system, etc08:00
Stskeepsor you can add own middleware on top like nemo does08:00
Stskeepswith tracker, mtp, etc08:00
davidqio, sqlite is just already in mer, right?08:01
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davidqithen the website is not up-to-date?08:03
Stskeepsthe architecture diagram isn't complete - sqlite is in base essentials there, since RPM needs it :)08:03
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davidqiand also, there is no clear and complete definition of supported Qt libraries in mer ...08:04
Stskeepsthe story is rather that mer doesn't define an application story08:04
Stskeepsbut keeps maintained a lot of the central components and leave that to vendors08:04
Stskeepsto make it easier to build stacks on top of mer08:05
davidqiis it true that the mer base is the minimal root fs I can get thru mer sdk?08:07
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davidqimer core08:09
Stskeepswell, there's more in mer core than is in the kickstarts :)08:09
Stskeepsit's easiest to take a look at the packages that make it into an image and then compare to the rpm repositories08:10
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davidqido you mean, even the @Mer Core, I can still customize it in some way?08:11
Stskeepsyou can remove packages with -packagename or add in %packages08:12
Stskeepsmer's really fully customizable to put together08:12
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davidqio, great, where to find all the primitive packages (and their names) ? or is there a guide of how to customize mer building?08:13
Stskeepsyou do that in the .ks file basically, in %packages section08:14
Stskeeps for example08:14
davidqibut which packages can be removed/added? what are their names?08:14
Stskeeps;a=blob;f=patterns/mer-core.yaml;h=07ddff1e7c093ca2f459ccbcf7e82c6459af7fe7;hb=HEAD is what @Mer Core means08:15
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davidqiThanks Stskeeps.08:24
Stskeepsno problem08:24
davidqiwhich graphics libraries are used in mer?08:25
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Stskeepsin terms of? i think cairo, qt, pixman are the most used ones, and of course you can add opengl es2 in it08:25
davidqiqt has its own graphics library?08:26
Stskeepswell, i'm not sure what you mean by graphics library exactly :)08:26
davidqican qt access the frame buffer directly08:27
Bostikactually I think we already include GLES2, since I've enabled webgl for qtwebkit08:27
Stskeepsdavidqi: yes, with linuxfb08:27
davidqiyes, I want to remove GLES2 :)08:27
Stskeepswell, the nogl stuff i have in zephyr is pretty useful for that08:28
davidqiGLES is one of what I call "graphics library"08:28
davidqiI have a TE6410 in hand, which is based on S3c6410,08:29
davidqiI got it from the board vendor , as well as the referenced linux root fs image file08:30
davidqiwhich is only 50 MB in size08:30
davidqiI am wondering why Mer Core will be 100+ MB08:31
Stskeepsbecause it includes a full linux system, with qt and needed dependencies for apps to work, etc :)08:31
davidqiI think I will have to find the details one by one08:31
Stskeepsyeah, spend some time studying it :)08:31
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davidqiBTW, is there any component responsible for supporting communicating thru Infrared Data in mer?08:36
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Stskeepshmm, i'm not sure08:38
Stskeepsif you mean remote control, you could probably add 'lirc'08:38
Stskeepsbut IrDA i dont think08:38
Stskeepsno, lirc - lirc.sf.net08:41
davidqiIn theory, if qt is not included, how much size can be saved ?08:43
Stskeepsprobably a lot but then you also loose a lot of development ease08:44
davidqihow about the qt lite?08:44
Stskeepsqt5 is probably best way to strip your size08:44
Stskeepsand not use qt408:44
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davidqiStskeeps: I ever read documents about meego, there is sensor framework in it, is it also included in Mer?09:03
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davidqiAs to adding sensor support, besides the driver, what else is needed? for example, GPS?09:07
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Stskeepslocation area is a bit different09:07
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davidqiStskeeps: do you have example of how to add and remove packages in section %package?09:37
Stskeeps@Mer Core09:38
Stskeepsit's pretty simple really :)09:38
Stskeepsto remove, -packagename09:38
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Stskeepsfor example09:39
Stskeepsyou usually want to do it in the bottom of the list within %packages section09:39
Stskeepsi have to go for a while09:39
davidqiI am pretending the python has already in it.09:39
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rcgSage, one question wrt packaging.. in plasma active there is gpsd including dependencies10:11
rcgi just built marble for nemomobile10:11
rcgwhich relies on gpsd10:11
rcgis it ok to push the gpsd stuff to CE:Shared10:11
rcgessentially this would be a push from Project:KDE:Mer_Extras to CE:MW:Shared10:12
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rcgimho the marble ui is pretty cool and it even offers turn by turn navigation10:13
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Sagercg: the gps stuff is a bit of a dark hole in nemo/mer atm. can you put links to the packaging of gpsd and marble?10:19
rcgSage, ^10:19
rcgessentially, i branched those off of Project:KDE:Mer_Extras10:20
rcgi just wanted to make sure i have all deps to build against mer10:20
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Sagercg: for marble that patch looks bad as it is if arch arm. it should be applied to everything or none. Also the comment in it refers to stuff that isn't probably used anymore. Have you tried if the gps works on any device atm.? if you build witout -DBUILD_GPS_FILEREADER_PLUGIN=ON would it build without libgps?10:23
rcgSage, roger that.. will test if the patch is still needed.10:24
Sagercg: run specify with newer spectacle for gpsd at least. also we should verify that it works on some hw before just pushing it to nemo imo.10:24
rcgi didn't test without gps10:24
rcgand i didn't test gps due to the lack of hw-support10:25
rcgi see10:25
rcgso, first thing would be to try building marble without gpsd?10:25
rcgand get rid of the possibly obsolete patch10:25
Sagewith also the gpsd is a) old version and b) even the upstream has been dead for almost 2 years10:25
rcgi see10:26
Sageerr.. no sry got wrong page10:26
rcgmy first priority would be to get marble in10:26
Sagethere has been actually development on gpsd10:26
rcgso i would try to see if it can build without gpsd10:26
rcgi currently don't have working gps hardware support iirc10:27
rcgand i assume adding gps functionality could be done later as well10:27
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Sagercg: moving to #nemomobile10:28
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iekkumer bug triage starting soon10:55
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lbtiekku: +1h :)10:59
iekkuoh s**t :D10:59
Stskeepslbt: was 0.3 imported?11:00
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Stskeepslbt: good work11:26
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StskeepsSage: btw, figured out why kernel-adaptation-n900 no longer builds11:42
StskeepsSage: you're installing stuff in %build into $RPM_BUILD_ROOT11:42
Stskeepsnew rpm config deletes $RPM_BUILD_ROOT, then executes %install11:42
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iekkumer bug triage!12:00
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SageStskeeps: ./v4l2_calls.h:33:30: fatal error: linux/videodev.h: No such file or directory13:06
Sagecompilation terminated.13:06
Sagedid we update kernel headers or something in the -next?13:06
Stskeepsyes, it's safe13:06
Stskeepsyes, disable v4l1 i think there's a patch in gerrit for this13:06
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crevetorStskeeps: there's only eglinfo in mer-gfx-tests13:52
Stskeepscrevetor: shouldn't that be enough?13:53
Stskeepsor do you ask gl* about stuff13:53
crevetorI'd like to see the GL extensions too not just the EGL extensions13:53
Stskeepsah, o13:54
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crevetorif glxgears or something like that packaged ?13:57
Stskeepsglestest is what i usually use13:58
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crevetorwell glestest runs fine, but the tests from eglext-tests don't all pass14:00
crevetorSo I was looking for something that could test more of the GLX extensions14:01
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Stskeepsyeah, those aren't really available on non-nokia devices :)14:01
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crevetoroh ok14:01
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jstaniek_QFridgeStskeeps: hi, with potential unofficial support for Qt apps16:12
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vgradeevening Stskeeps19:52
Stskeepsevening vgrade19:52
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berndhs_950Hey Cosmo21:19
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CosmoHillhi lbt22:24
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lbtby what insane logic is alsaunmute in /bin and not /usr/bin ... ability to unmute early to allow login beeps?22:40
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CosmoHillit's so when you turn the computer on late at night it wakes the wife and kids22:50
Morpog_PChmmm, ubunto going all in now? Tick, tock, tablet time!22:56
Morpog_PC 17:06:0922:56
Morpog_PCcountdown on
M4rtinKmost probably a rebranded HTC tablet22:57
M4rtinKHTC has a synchronized clock on their site22:57
CosmoHillI remember when using ubuntu on my laptop it would play the start tune full volume no matter what state I left it in22:57
Morpog_PCpowered by libhybris too?22:58
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lbtprobably .... check their credits... I'm sure they'll say ;)22:59
M4rtinKCosmoHill: plus points if you manage to do that in a full lecture room during a lecture :)23:00
CosmoHillwhy would I reboot during lecture?23:00
M4rtinKwell I did that once for some reason :)23:01
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CosmoHillthe computer science students were like moths to a light with power sockets23:07
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CosmoHillnight night23:13
CosmoHillif you see berndhs tell him I say hi23:13
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