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| situ | Morning | 05:03 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: ping me when awake | 08:20 |
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| phaeron | good morning | 08:46 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: ping | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: think it's possible to make a Core:i486 == Core:i486:master emulation in mds2? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | if it's not sane/will take too long time, i'll just do a proper move to mds2 usage | 08:48 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: it's possible but remember that master doesn't have binaries | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | i'll do a proper move instead | 08:50 |
| * Stskeeps is mighty tired of mds1 by now | 08:50 | |
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| Stskeeps | i accidentially botched a gmp downgrade the other day, so i'm rebuilding anyway | 08:51 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: please tell me anything you need to fix in mds2 , I really believe it is a big improvement | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | distribution jenga is =fun= | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: so far nothing i can see | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | only thing that might be good is the feature to disable per-package disables in _meta for servers that don't understand it, but i'm not nearly at that point yet | 08:53 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: that would require a patch to obs too | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, true | 09:00 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: about :master it would be really cool to have rolling release binaries associated with it | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: are we using mds2 on any servers that don't support the _meta per-package disable/enable stuff? | 09:04 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: no , only cobs doesn't have that and is using mds1 | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:05 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 09:05 | |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: ehh.. got a segmentation fault :) | 09:39 |
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| phaeron | wow | 09:44 |
| * Stskeeps upgrades python and tries again | 09:44 | |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: backtrace shows anything useful ? | 09:44 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: hmm, just spotted a very neat feature in opensuse gdb | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | Missing separate debuginfo for /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/lxml/etree.so | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | Try: zypper install -C "debuginfo(build-id)=c25e2366649f0f93df6c238244c1eec6a735705b" | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | we should get that for mer | 09:54 |
| phaeron | wow :) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: http://pastie.org/6093986 | 10:00 |
| Stskeeps | any idea how i could dig deeper? | 10:01 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: doesn't ring a bell. but either there's deformed xml somewhere or you have old lxml | 10:02 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: what's in your mappings.xml or lastevents.xml | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | all of them passes xmllint at least | 10:03 |
| lbt | morning all | 10:03 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: ok then somehow buggy lxml version ? | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps | 10:04 |
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| phaeron | python-lxml-2.3.5 worked for me | 10:05 |
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| * Stskeeps upgrades some stuff | 10:06 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm on 2.2.8 (opensuse 11.2) | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | er, .4 | 10:06 |
| * Stskeeps tries again | 10:07 | |
| phaeron | python-lxml-2.3-6.1.3.x86_64 also worked for me ( opensuse 12.1 ) | 10:08 |
| phaeron | 11.4 is dead | 10:08 |
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| sledges | Fri-dayyy! | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ok, seems better | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | ah, spoke too soon | 10:19 |
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| cybette | sledges: should I respond with a youtube link on this channel too? ;) | 10:57 |
| dm8tbr | :D | 10:58 |
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| sledges | my intent to indirectly spell Friday as Free-day has been misunderstood :)) cybette, I think they've all 'misunderstood' that already, i.e. no need for the link :)) | 11:06 |
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| sledges | (everybody's getting down in their heads now :)) | 11:07 |
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| cybette | sledges: Freeday FTW! | 11:29 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: still crashing ? | 11:30 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, i'm thinking to just move it to cmds machine | 11:30 |
| phaeron | I never faced that crash | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | i believe you, probably due to my ancient opensuse | 11:33 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: can make it happen on debian/cmds too.. hmm | 12:11 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: do you have time to create a opensuse 12.1/12.2 vm for me on mer infra? call it mds | 12:13 |
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| fk_lx | strange - "Error <creator>: Command 'modprobe' is not available." when running mic (mer chroot version) | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | PATH=/sbin:$PATH | 12:34 |
| fk_lx | upss, so obvious | 12:35 |
| fk_lx | I really need some real holidays | 12:35 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: hmm, maybe underlying library issue ? | 12:39 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: libxml2 / libxslt for example | 12:42 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps, yeah | 12:42 |
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| fk_lx | now zypp throw an exception - AttributeError: edition | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | what command line? | 12:44 |
| phaeron | libxml2-2.7.8-9.fc17.x86_64 libxslt-1.1.26-10.fc17.x86_64 and libxslt1-1.1.26-15.8.1.x86_64 libxml2-2.7.8+git20110708-3.11.1.x86_64 work on my side | 12:45 |
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| fk_lx | got that exception running mic | 12:48 |
| fk_lx | sudo mic create fs mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.ks -o . --pkgmgr=zypp --arch i486 --pack-to=mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.tar.bz2 | 12:49 |
| lbt | fk_lx: you need to update your SDK | 12:52 |
| fk_lx | lbt: ok | 12:52 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: you can't use debian? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: seems not, mds2 crashes python on debian | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | under stress | 12:53 |
| lbt | debian testing? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: it's squeeze on cmds at least | 12:54 |
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| fk_lx | lbt: yes, it works; thank you! | 13:06 |
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| sledges | COBS down ? | 14:17 |
| Stskeeps | looks ok to me | 14:17 |
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| sledges | back on | 14:18 |
| sledges | :) | 14:18 |
| sledges | prolly my work's firewalls kicking in :D | 14:18 |
| Uninstall | hello guys | 14:20 |
| Uninstall | https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.tar.bz2 | 14:20 |
| Uninstall | not found | 14:20 |
| Uninstall | should I change this on the wiki with something different? | 14:20 |
| fk_lx | https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/mer-sdk-i486-chroot-latest.tar.bz2 | 14:21 |
| Uninstall | ok, so I will fix it | 14:21 |
| sledges | fk_lx, that's not gonna work | 14:21 |
| sledges | https://img.merproject.org/images/sdk/mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.tar.bz2 | 14:21 |
| sledges | https://img.merproject.org/images/mer-sdk/mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.tar.bz2 | 14:21 |
| sledges | ^ | 14:21 |
| sledges | we're having issues with 'latest' | 14:22 |
| sledges | 'rolling' should be used | 14:22 |
| fk_lx | sledges: somehow latest worked for me | 14:22 |
| Uninstall | by the way there is a good chance that our company is going to adopt mer for big project | 14:22 |
| fk_lx | Uninstall: anyway, pick the one that sledges gave you | 14:22 |
| sledges | broken link fixed, thanks Uninstall fk_lx ;) | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: glad to hear it, hope it goes well | 14:22 |
| Uninstall | cool | 14:23 |
| sledges | \o/ keep up the good effort Uninstall | 14:23 |
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| fk_lx | sledges: wanted to do something with that link myself yesterday, but I don't have working wiki account, only that on mer bugzilla works for me | 14:23 |
| Uninstall | do you have some documents on the "long term support" ? | 14:24 |
| sledges | I rewrote those links yesterday, the last bugger got me with forgetting /sdk/ -> /mer-sdk/ :)) I should've gone to sleep instead :D | 14:24 |
| fk_lx | Uninstall: the fact that it is open source is kind of long term support ;-) | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: mer's always possible to take in house and patch as needed | 14:26 |
| sledges | "you can't kill open source" <- | 14:26 |
| Uninstall | fk_lx: I need to be sure that in the 2020 or something like that I will be still able to use the SDK with 2013 packages | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's an interesting one | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | you can always archive the matching sdk version, at least | 14:27 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, I mentioned this to you once too. The project has to be reproduceable in any years to come - same QA in our company | 14:27 |
| fk_lx | long running industrial system usage? | 14:27 |
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| Uninstall | what happens if I dicover a bug in my Qt5 software and I need to fix it and I can't build it against Qt8 | 14:27 |
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| Uninstall | fk_lx: that's a critical feature for us | 14:27 |
| sledges | yup, we btw must archive it, too. DVDs is preferred media :) | 14:28 |
| fk_lx | Uninstall: I guess if you want to use it also in 2020 | 14:28 |
| Uninstall | sledges: that's a rather common thing in medical stuff | 14:28 |
| sledges | fk_lx, 'latest' is broken with mic create 486/586/686 stuff. otherwise it's fine :) | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | Uninstall: you can always keep the relevant mer sdk, mer core version (mer's entirely in git) and mer binaries | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | they're rsync-able and resurrect-able at a local build machine | 14:29 |
| Uninstall | Stskeeps: so I need to clone all the repos I need, right? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but it's not a terribly lot really | 14:29 |
| Uninstall | for how many years do you keep an old package in your repos? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | we don't remove repositories | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | ie, git repositories | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | just rsync the sdk release, the mer git repo, and the mer release (rpms) and packages-git/ | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | and that's enough to help replicate | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | mer's designed to survive a nuclear attack/takedown | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:32 |
| Uninstall | nice | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | as many of us come from product programmes that went to hell when meego died | 14:32 |
| * timoph nods | 14:33 | |
| Stskeeps | and there was no reason why it couldn't be continued since it made a very nice core | 14:33 |
| timoph | althought things worked out pretty well at least some at the end | 14:33 |
| timoph | *for | 14:33 |
| timoph | yeah. the remove-the-fat discussion was already ongoing while meego was alive | 14:34 |
| timoph | it dying actually made it possible :) | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | same with my work at jolla.. we contribute into mer and even if we go out of business or i get fired, i can build products based on it still | 14:35 |
| timoph | yep | 14:35 |
| timoph | brilliance of open source | 14:35 |
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| Stskeeps | Uninstall: funny story, first 'mer' (ubuntu based) was made to easily prototype next-generation healthcare devices | 14:36 |
| Stskeeps | this mer follows some of the same principles | 14:36 |
| Uninstall | cool | 14:36 |
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| Uninstall | sledges: have I told you that I have a proper kernel for the i.m53 SQB? | 14:45 |
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| sledges | no you haven't :) congrats! where did you 'get' it from? :) | 14:48 |
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| Uninstall | sledges: I had to set all the required kernel options | 14:55 |
| Uninstall | it was mainly a matter of systemd cgroups | 14:55 |
| sledges | yes that's the true pain. I found a new flag Pandaboard demanded to set, otherwise systemd doesn't boot | 14:58 |
| sledges | CONFIG_CGROUP_SHED (and its deps) | 14:58 |
| sledges | did you have to set it in imx53 ? | 14:58 |
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| Uninstall | now I need to manage to get a working Xorg | 14:58 |
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| Uninstall | Where can I find a Qt5 mer repository? | 15:05 |
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| sledges | same where everything else mer-core's | 15:06 |
| sledges | https://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 15:06 |
| sledges | hah http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 15:07 |
| sledges | :) | 15:07 |
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| Uninstall | I don't see any reference for Qt5 | 15:08 |
| sledges | neither do I :{ | 15:09 |
| sledges | but `zypper info qt5-qmake` returns Repository: mer-core | 15:09 |
| sledges | some sneaky cloning in place ;) | 15:09 |
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| sledges | they're here: http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/ | 15:10 |
| sledges | for hardfp (look out for softfp for imx53 iirc ) | 15:11 |
| sledges | Bostik is our qt5 maintainer/packager :) | 15:11 |
| rcg | is there a way to exclude armv7tnhl from build | 15:11 |
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| Uninstall | I see | 15:12 |
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| rcg | when i set ExclusiveArch: "armv7hl armv8el armv7l armv7el" obs still starts the build but bails out after the build vm was set up | 15:12 |
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| rcg | and no, it doesn't build for tnhl, just tried that | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | qtbase | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | qtdeclarative | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 15:13 |
| Stskeeps | ==qt5 | 15:13 |
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| Uninstall | nice | 15:15 |
| sledges | but of course! back to gitweb ;) | 15:15 |
| Uninstall | sledges: do you still have a copy of your kickstart for i.mx53? | 15:16 |
| sledges | I never had one :) | 15:16 |
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| Uninstall | sledges: what did you use? :O | 15:17 |
| sledges | cp | 15:17 |
| sledges | :D | 15:17 |
| sledges | it was a year ago, and I was only dipping my toes into Mer :) | 15:18 |
| Uninstall | LOOOL | 15:19 |
| sledges | (an obvious indended pun :)) | 15:20 |
| iekku | :D | 15:20 |
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| rcg | kulve, i am just updating our nexus 7 kernel to the latest version from the ubuntu guys | 16:57 |
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| rcg | i am also removing the patches for the gps thing and kexec-hardboot | 16:57 |
| sledges | TI PPA FTW :) | 16:57 |
| rcg | we need to keep that in mind when publishing the next rootfs tarball | 16:57 |
| rcg | so that we update the documentation accordingly | 16:58 |
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| rcg | sledges, ? :) | 16:58 |
| sledges | ubuntu take it from ti ppa | 16:58 |
| rcg | sledges, nexus 7 is nvidia tegra | 16:58 |
| dm8tbr | the N7 is not TI | 16:58 |
| rcg | but well, i took the kernel from the ubuntu guys from launchpad | 16:59 |
| rcg | they claim that this one fixes bluetooth again | 16:59 |
| rcg | but iirc we need some broadcom firmware stuff | 16:59 |
| rcg | kulve, do you know if we have that bluetooth fw or was there some licensing issue? | 17:00 |
| * sledges got carried away with pb and g9 way too far :) | 17:00 | |
| dm8tbr | rcg: https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers#grouper | 17:00 |
| sledges | any | 17:00 |
| sledges | way, ubuntu gets ftw-iny stuffs ;) | 17:00 |
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| kulve | rcg: the licensing is a bit unclear | 17:01 |
| kulve | so I removed it | 17:01 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, thanks :) | 17:01 |
| rcg | kulve, i see... might have a look into that | 17:01 |
| kulve | one of the ubuntu guys said that their legal guys said it's ok but it didn't seem so clear to me | 17:01 |
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| rcg | kulve, do you happen to recall the package where the ubuntu guys have their firmware? | 17:01 |
| rcg | kulve, aye | 17:02 |
| kulve | linux-firmware-nexus7 or something like that | 17:02 |
| rcg | roger that | 17:02 |
| kulve | they only include the n7 specific blobs. Our package is based on their old one and has a huge amount of probably useless blobs | 17:02 |
| rcg | will compare this also to the link dm8tbr sent | 17:02 |
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| rcg | kulve, sounds good, should make it easier for us to find the important bits | 17:03 |
| dm8tbr | I'm not sure how redistributable those from google are, but at least they are easily obtainable | 17:03 |
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| kulve | rcg: it includes only the wifi and the gps blobs, iirc. And the nvram.txt, so it's quite explicit | 17:04 |
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| kulve | dm8tbr: the wifi blobs are redistributable but the gps blob is provided in a separate .tar.gz and the license for that seems much more restrictive | 17:04 |
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| rcg | as some sort of workaround we could come up with a script that pulls the offending firmware parts | 17:05 |
| kulve | rcg: yeah, that would be quite easy to implement | 17:05 |
| rcg | so, as long as they are downloadable from some official site we could allow our users to download and install these on their own without going through the licensing hassle of redistributing those | 17:05 |
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| dm8tbr | hence me pointing to that page :) | 17:06 |
| rcg | :) | 17:07 |
| dm8tbr | but make sure to use md5sum and or otherwise verify the files. google seems to update the files from time to time | 17:07 |
| kulve | ah, it was the same .tgz but iirc, they are in different directories with different licensing | 17:08 |
| kulve | at least they used to.. | 17:08 |
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| rcg | kulve, just trying the new kernel | 17:16 |
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| rcg | is it ok for you if i push it to the official repo? | 17:16 |
| kulve | yes | 17:16 |
| kulve | I'm currently happy with the current setup as I don't need GUI. So I will complain, if it breaks for me :) | 17:18 |
| kulve | but I certainly think that we should take ubuntu's upgrades often | 17:18 |
| rcg | hmpf, now the touch input orientation is rotated by 90° xD | 17:18 |
| kulve | they did have some weird looking patch in the kernel earlier.. | 17:19 |
| kulve | I wonder if they somehow rotated it in the kernel instead of using xorg.conf | 17:19 |
| kulve | hopefully not | 17:19 |
| rcg | well, trying to fix that via xorg.conf right now ;) | 17:20 |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: ping | 17:21 |
| lpotter | Stskeeps: unping | 17:24 |
| sledges | lol unlike | 17:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lpotter: plonk | 17:31 |
| rcg | kulve, do you happen to have a link to that patch? | 17:33 |
| rcg | the input rotation that is | 17:33 |
| kulve | git log, nothing more | 17:33 |
| lpotter | was going to ask where the file sensorfw-0.7.2.tar.gz came from, but there is a tag in the meego repo | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | lpotter: ah | 17:33 |
| rcg | kulve, which git? | 17:34 |
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| kulve | ubuntu's | 17:35 |
| lpotter | is it wrong to grab an unmerged merge request in the meego sensorfw and add it to ours? | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | if it has signed-off-by, the bette | 17:35 |
| Stskeeps | r | 17:35 |
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| Stskeeps | mer mtev has a input rotation patch too btw | 17:35 |
| kulve | I think that patch in ubuntu kernel was hardcoded to do 90 degree.. | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 17:36 |
| kulve | but I'm not sure though.. | 17:36 |
| rcg | i think i found it | 17:38 |
| rcg | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-nexus7.git;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/input/touchscreen/ektf3k.c;h=dbfd793891e64a46830fd2928faa4415d20cc35b;hp=dfff2dec65a3b05b08a0661e980b923ba8036aa7;hb=7286bbe30542609b3f3881875ee67eeca386a96c;hpb=93618e3f234924c1992db0f6f8eefe248b795451 | 17:38 |
| kulve | yeah, I think that's the one I meant | 17:39 |
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| rcg | well, with that patch we can use pa in portrait orientation | 17:48 |
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| rcg | i guess that's more suited for nemomobile | 17:48 |
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| kulve | anyway, it shouldn't be hardcoded in kernel :) | 17:48 |
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| rcg | indeed | 17:49 |
| rcg | just reverted the change and rebuild the kernel to see if that helps | 17:49 |
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| rcg | alright, reverting that change does the trick | 18:11 |
| rcg | will push the kernel then | 18:11 |
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| kulve | ok, thanks | 18:17 |
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| jwalck | good evening! | 18:23 |
| Stskeeps | good evening jwalck | 18:24 |
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| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 18:25 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: any progress on mds2 ? | 18:25 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: gave up for a little bit to let some things finish building at CI obs, i doubt it's your code's fault | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: will try on a opensuse recent | 18:26 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: yes well I am not doing anything weird with lxml. you could work around and uninstall lxml and install celementree and it will fall back to it | 18:27 |
| phaeron | a bit slower but not that much | 18:27 |
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| lpotter | Stskeeps: finally got my display connector for rasperry_pi | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 19:41 |
| dm8tbr | this thing can do something different than HDMI/DVI? | 19:42 |
| lpotter | the rpi? no. I just procrastinated | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | dvi/hdmi or s-video display? | 19:47 |
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| lpotter | dvi/hdmi | 19:48 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:50 |
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| * Stskeeps is slowly starting to get back into the qt5 game again | 19:54 | |
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| Stskeeps | woo, successful arm cross compiler + glibc bootstrap | 19:59 |
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| lpotter | did you see that creator 2.7 supports cross compiler without the need of a creator plugin? | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | nop, does it support --sysroot=? :P | 20:04 |
| lpotter | I think that means you can specify any cross toolchain now | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | useful | 20:04 |
| lpotter | duno | 20:04 |
| lpotter | http://blog.qt.digia.com/blog/2013/02/07/qt-creator-2-7-0-beta-released/ | 20:04 |
| lpotter | looks to set the sysroot in a 'kit' | 20:11 |
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| lpotter | has android, blackberry and qnx devices support | 20:13 |
| lpotter | no mer :( no sailfish :( | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, yet | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:18 |
| * lpotter ads harmattan kit | 20:20 | |
| lpotter | adds | 20:20 |
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| rcg | well, generally bluetooth seems to work | 20:51 |
| rcg | at least i could pair a zeemote js1 | 20:51 |
| rcg | however my qzeecontrol app segfaults | 20:51 |
| rcg | but well, better than nothing :) | 20:52 |
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| Bostik | and of course I'm mentioned less than 15 minutes after I walk out of the door... | 21:03 |
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