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Stskeepsphaeron: ping me when awake08:20
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phaerongood morning08:46
phaeronStskeeps: ping08:46
Stskeepsphaeron: think it's possible to make a Core:i486 == Core:i486:master emulation in mds2?08:47
Stskeepsif it's not sane/will take too long time, i'll just do a proper move to mds2 usage08:48
phaeronStskeeps: it's possible but remember that master doesn't have binaries08:50
Stskeepsyeah, true08:50
Stskeepsi'll do a proper move instead08:50
* Stskeeps is mighty tired of mds1 by now08:50
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Stskeepsi accidentially botched a gmp downgrade the other day, so i'm rebuilding anyway08:51
phaeronStskeeps: please tell me anything you need to fix in mds2 , I really believe it is a big improvement08:51
Stskeepsdistribution jenga is =fun=08:51
Stskeepsphaeron: so far nothing i can see08:51
Stskeepsonly thing that might be good is the feature to disable per-package disables in _meta for servers that don't understand it, but i'm not nearly at that point yet08:53
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phaeronStskeeps: that would require a patch to obs too08:59
Stskeepsyeah, true09:00
phaeronStskeeps: about :master it would be really cool to have rolling release binaries associated with it09:00
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Stskeepsphaeron: are we using mds2 on any servers that don't support the _meta per-package disable/enable stuff?09:04
phaeronStskeeps: no , only cobs doesn't have that and is using mds109:04
* Stskeeps ponders idly09:05
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Stskeepsphaeron: ehh.. got a segmentation fault :)09:39
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phaeronStskeeps: backtrace shows anything useful ?09:44
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Stskeepsphaeron: hmm, just spotted a very neat feature in opensuse gdb09:54
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StskeepsMissing separate debuginfo for /usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/lxml/etree.so09:54
StskeepsTry: zypper install -C "debuginfo(build-id)=c25e2366649f0f93df6c238244c1eec6a735705b"09:54
Stskeepswe should get that for mer09:54
phaeronwow :)09:55
Stskeepsany idea how i could dig deeper?10:01
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phaeronStskeeps: doesn't ring a bell. but either there's deformed xml somewhere or you have old lxml10:02
phaeronStskeeps: what's in your mappings.xml or lastevents.xml10:02
Stskeepsall of them passes xmllint at least10:03
lbtmorning all10:03
phaeronStskeeps: ok then somehow buggy lxml version ?10:04
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phaeronpython-lxml-2.3.5 worked for me10:05
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* Stskeeps upgrades some stuff10:06
Stskeepsi'm on 2.2.8 (opensuse 11.2)10:06
Stskeepser, .410:06
* Stskeeps tries again10:07
phaeronpython-lxml-2.3-6.1.3.x86_64 also worked for me ( opensuse 12.1 )10:08
phaeron11.4 is dead10:08
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Stskeepsphaeron: ok, seems better10:16
Stskeepsah, spoke too soon10:19
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cybettesledges: should I respond with a youtube link on this channel too? ;)10:57
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sledgesmy intent to indirectly spell Friday as Free-day has been misunderstood :)) cybette, I think they've all 'misunderstood' that already, i.e. no need for the link :))11:06
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sledges(everybody's getting down in their heads now :))11:07
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* Stskeeps curses the crash11:10
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cybettesledges: Freeday FTW!11:29
phaeronStskeeps: still crashing ?11:30
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Stskeepsyeah, i'm thinking to just move it to cmds machine11:30
phaeronI never faced that crash11:32
Stskeepsi believe you, probably due to my ancient opensuse11:33
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Stskeepsphaeron: can make it happen on debian/cmds too.. hmm12:11
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Stskeepslbt: do you have time to create a opensuse 12.1/12.2 vm for me on mer infra? call it mds12:13
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fk_lxstrange - "Error <creator>: Command 'modprobe' is not available." when running mic (mer chroot version)12:31
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fk_lxupss, so obvious12:35
fk_lxI really need some real holidays12:35
phaeronStskeeps: hmm, maybe underlying library issue ?12:39
phaeronStskeeps: libxml2 / libxslt for example12:42
Stskeepsperhaps, yeah12:42
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fk_lxnow zypp throw an exception - AttributeError: edition12:43
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Stskeepswhat command line?12:44
phaeronlibxml2-2.7.8-9.fc17.x86_64 libxslt-1.1.26-10.fc17.x86_64 and libxslt1-1.1.26-15.8.1.x86_64 libxml2-2.7.8+git20110708-3.11.1.x86_64 work on my side12:45
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fk_lxgot that exception running mic12:48
fk_lxsudo mic create fs mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.ks -o . --pkgmgr=zypp --arch i486 --pack-to=mer-next-sdk-rolling-chroot.tar.bz212:49
lbtfk_lx: you need to update your SDK12:52
fk_lxlbt: ok12:52
lbtStskeeps: you can't use debian?12:53
Stskeepslbt: seems not, mds2 crashes python on debian12:53
Stskeepsunder stress12:53
lbtdebian testing?12:53
Stskeepslbt: it's squeeze on cmds at least12:54
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fk_lxlbt: yes, it works; thank you!13:06
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sledgesCOBS down ?14:17
Stskeepslooks ok to me14:17
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sledgesback on14:18
sledgesprolly my work's firewalls kicking in :D14:18
Uninstallhello guys14:20
Uninstallnot found14:20
Uninstallshould I change this on the wiki with something different?14:20
Uninstallok, so I will fix it14:21
sledgesfk_lx, that's not gonna work14:21
sledgeswe're having issues with 'latest'14:22
sledges'rolling' should be used14:22
fk_lxsledges: somehow latest worked for me14:22
Uninstallby the way there is a good chance that our company is going to adopt mer for big project14:22
fk_lxUninstall: anyway, pick the one that sledges gave you14:22
sledgesbroken link fixed, thanks Uninstall fk_lx ;)14:22
StskeepsUninstall: glad to hear it, hope it goes well14:22
sledges\o/ keep up the good effort Uninstall14:23
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fk_lxsledges: wanted to do something with that link myself yesterday, but I don't have working wiki account, only that on mer bugzilla works for me14:23
Uninstalldo you have some documents on the "long term support" ?14:24
sledgesI rewrote those links yesterday, the last bugger got me with forgetting /sdk/ -> /mer-sdk/ :)) I should've gone to sleep instead :D14:24
fk_lxUninstall: the fact that it is open source is kind of long term support ;-)14:25
StskeepsUninstall: mer's always possible to take in house and patch as needed14:26
sledges"you can't kill open source" <-14:26
Uninstallfk_lx: I need to be sure that in the 2020 or something like that I will be still able to use the SDK with 2013 packages14:26
Stskeepsah, that's an interesting one14:26
Stskeepsyou can always archive the matching sdk version, at least14:27
sledgesStskeeps, I mentioned this to you once too. The project has to be reproduceable in any years to come - same QA in our company14:27
fk_lxlong running industrial system usage?14:27
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Uninstallwhat happens if I dicover a bug in my Qt5 software and I need to fix it and I can't build it against Qt814:27
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Uninstallfk_lx: that's a critical feature for us14:27
sledgesyup, we btw must archive it, too. DVDs is preferred media :)14:28
fk_lxUninstall: I guess if you want to use it also in 202014:28
Uninstallsledges: that's a rather common thing in medical stuff14:28
sledgesfk_lx, 'latest' is broken with mic create 486/586/686 stuff. otherwise it's fine :)14:29
StskeepsUninstall: you can always keep the relevant mer sdk, mer core version (mer's entirely in git) and mer binaries14:29
Stskeepsthey're rsync-able and resurrect-able at a local build machine14:29
UninstallStskeeps: so I need to clone all the repos I need, right?14:29
Stskeepsyes, but it's not a terribly lot really14:29
Uninstallfor how many years do you keep an old package in your repos?14:29
Stskeepswe don't remove repositories14:30
Stskeepsie, git repositories14:30
Stskeepsjust rsync the sdk release, the mer git repo, and the mer release (rpms) and packages-git/14:30
Stskeepsand that's enough to help replicate14:30
Stskeepsmer's designed to survive a nuclear attack/takedown14:32
Stskeepsas many of us come from product programmes that went to hell when meego died14:32
* timoph nods14:33
Stskeepsand there was no reason why it couldn't be continued since it made a very nice core14:33
timophalthought things worked out pretty well at least some at the end14:33
timophyeah. the remove-the-fat discussion was already ongoing while meego was alive14:34
timophit dying actually made it possible :)14:34
Stskeepssame with my work at jolla.. we contribute into mer and even if we go out of business or i get fired, i can build products based on it still14:35
timophbrilliance of open source14:35
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StskeepsUninstall: funny story, first 'mer' (ubuntu based) was made to easily prototype next-generation healthcare devices14:36
Stskeepsthis mer follows some of the same principles14:36
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Uninstallsledges: have I told you that I have a proper kernel for the i.m53 SQB?14:45
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sledgesno you haven't :) congrats! where did you 'get' it from? :)14:48
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Uninstallsledges: I had to set all the required kernel options14:55
Uninstallit was mainly a matter of systemd cgroups14:55
sledgesyes that's the true pain. I found a new flag Pandaboard demanded to set, otherwise systemd doesn't boot14:58
sledgesCONFIG_CGROUP_SHED (and its deps)14:58
sledgesdid you have to set it in imx53 ?14:58
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Uninstallnow I need to manage to get a working Xorg14:58
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UninstallWhere can I find a Qt5 mer repository?15:05
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sledgessame where everything else mer-core's15:06
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UninstallI don't see any reference for Qt515:08
sledgesneither do I :{15:09
sledgesbut `zypper info qt5-qmake` returns Repository: mer-core15:09
sledgessome sneaky cloning in place ;)15:09
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sledgesthey're here:
sledgesfor hardfp (look out for softfp for imx53 iirc )15:11
sledgesBostik is our qt5 maintainer/packager :)15:11
rcgis there a way to exclude armv7tnhl from build15:11
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UninstallI see15:12
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rcgwhen i set ExclusiveArch: "armv7hl armv8el armv7l armv7el" obs still starts the build but bails out after the build vm was set up15:12
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rcgand no, it doesn't build for tnhl, just tried that15:13
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sledgesbut of course! back to gitweb ;)15:15
Uninstallsledges: do you still have a copy of your kickstart for i.mx53?15:16
sledgesI never had one :)15:16
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Uninstallsledges: what did you use? :O15:17
sledgesit was a year ago, and I was only dipping my toes into Mer :)15:18
sledges(an obvious indended pun :))15:20
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rcgkulve, i am just updating our nexus 7 kernel to the latest version from the ubuntu guys16:57
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rcgi am also removing the patches for the gps thing and kexec-hardboot16:57
sledgesTI PPA FTW :)16:57
rcgwe need to keep that in mind when publishing the next rootfs tarball16:57
rcgso that we update the documentation accordingly16:58
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rcgsledges, ? :)16:58
sledgesubuntu take it from ti ppa16:58
rcgsledges, nexus 7 is nvidia tegra16:58
dm8tbrthe N7 is not TI16:58
rcgbut well, i took the kernel from the ubuntu guys from launchpad16:59
rcgthey claim that this one fixes bluetooth again16:59
rcgbut iirc we need some broadcom firmware stuff16:59
rcgkulve, do you know if we have that bluetooth fw or was there some licensing issue?17:00
* sledges got carried away with pb and g9 way too far :)17:00
sledgesway, ubuntu gets ftw-iny stuffs ;)17:00
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kulvercg: the licensing is a bit unclear17:01
kulveso I removed it17:01
rcgdm8tbr, thanks :)17:01
rcgkulve, i see... might have a look into that17:01
kulveone of the ubuntu guys said that their legal guys said it's ok but it didn't seem so clear to me17:01
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rcgkulve, do you happen to recall the package where the ubuntu guys have their firmware?17:01
rcgkulve, aye17:02
kulvelinux-firmware-nexus7 or something like that17:02
rcgroger that17:02
kulvethey only include the n7 specific blobs. Our package is based on their old one and has a huge amount of probably useless blobs17:02
rcgwill compare this also to the link dm8tbr sent17:02
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rcgkulve, sounds good, should make it easier for us to find the important bits17:03
dm8tbrI'm not sure how redistributable those from google are, but at least they are easily obtainable17:03
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kulvercg: it includes only the wifi and the gps blobs, iirc. And the nvram.txt, so it's quite explicit17:04
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kulvedm8tbr: the wifi blobs are redistributable but the gps blob is provided in a separate .tar.gz and the license for that seems much more restrictive17:04
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rcgas some sort of workaround we could come up with a script that pulls the offending firmware parts17:05
kulvercg: yeah, that would be quite easy to implement17:05
rcgso, as long as they are downloadable from some official site we could allow our users to download and install these on their own without going through the licensing hassle of redistributing those17:05
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dm8tbrhence me pointing to that page :)17:06
dm8tbrbut make sure to use md5sum and or otherwise verify the files. google seems to update the files from time to time17:07
kulveah, it was the same .tgz but iirc, they are in different directories with different licensing17:08
kulveat least they used to..17:08
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rcgkulve, just trying the new kernel17:16
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rcgis it ok for you if i push it to the official repo?17:16
kulveI'm currently happy with the current setup as I don't need GUI. So I will complain, if it breaks for me :)17:18
kulvebut I certainly think that we should take ubuntu's upgrades often17:18
rcghmpf, now the touch input orientation is rotated by 90° xD17:18
kulvethey did have some weird looking patch in the kernel earlier..17:19
kulveI wonder if they somehow rotated it in the kernel instead of using xorg.conf17:19
kulvehopefully not17:19
rcgwell, trying to fix that via xorg.conf right now ;)17:20
lpotterStskeeps: ping17:21
lpotterStskeeps: unping17:24
sledgeslol unlike17:25
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Stskeepslpotter: plonk17:31
rcgkulve, do you happen to have a link to that patch?17:33
rcgthe input rotation that is17:33
kulvegit log, nothing more17:33
lpotterwas going to ask where the file sensorfw-0.7.2.tar.gz came from, but there is a tag in the meego repo17:33
Stskeepslpotter: ah17:33
rcgkulve, which git?17:34
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lpotteris it wrong to grab an unmerged merge request in the meego sensorfw and add it to ours?17:35
Stskeepsnot really17:35
Stskeepsif it has signed-off-by, the bette17:35
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Stskeepsmer mtev has a input rotation patch too btw17:35
kulveI think that patch in ubuntu kernel was hardcoded to do 90 degree..17:36
kulvebut I'm not sure though..17:36
rcgi think i found it17:38
kulveyeah, I think that's the one I meant17:39
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rcgwell, with that patch we can use pa in portrait orientation17:48
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rcgi guess that's more suited for nemomobile17:48
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kulveanyway, it shouldn't be hardcoded in kernel :)17:48
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rcgjust reverted the change and rebuild the kernel to see if that helps17:49
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rcgalright, reverting that change does the trick18:11
rcgwill push the kernel then18:11
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kulveok, thanks18:17
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jwalckgood evening!18:23
Stskeepsgood evening jwalck18:24
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Stskeepsso what brings you here?18:25
phaeronStskeeps: any progress on mds2 ?18:25
Stskeepsphaeron: gave up for a little bit to let some things finish building at CI obs, i doubt it's your code's fault18:26
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Stskeepsphaeron: will try on a opensuse recent18:26
phaeronStskeeps: yes well I am not doing anything weird with lxml. you could work around and uninstall lxml and install celementree and it will fall back to it18:27
phaerona bit slower but not that much18:27
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lpotterStskeeps: finally got my display connector for rasperry_pi19:41
dm8tbrthis thing can do something different than HDMI/DVI?19:42
lpotterthe rpi? no. I just procrastinated19:44
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Stskeepsdvi/hdmi or s-video display?19:47
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* Stskeeps is slowly starting to get back into the qt5 game again19:54
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Stskeepswoo, successful arm cross compiler + glibc bootstrap19:59
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lpotterdid you see that creator 2.7 supports cross compiler without the need of a creator plugin?20:03
Stskeepsnop, does it support --sysroot=? :P20:04
lpotterI think that means you can specify any cross toolchain now20:04
lpotterlooks to set the sysroot in a 'kit'20:11
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lpotterhas android, blackberry and qnx devices support20:13
lpotterno mer :( no sailfish :(20:18
Stskeepsyeah, yet20:18
* lpotter ads harmattan kit20:20
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rcgwell, generally bluetooth seems to work20:51
rcgat least i could pair a zeemote js120:51
rcghowever my qzeecontrol app segfaults20:51
rcgbut well, better than nothing :)20:52
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Bostikand of course I'm mentioned less than 15 minutes after I walk out of the door...21:03
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