Wednesday, 2013-01-30

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situMorning05:03
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Bostikyes, morning06:16
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niqtmorning08:36
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rcgmorning08:37
rcgwho of you guys will be at fosdem?08:37
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Stskeeps<-08:41
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rcgStskeeps, cool, i assume you will attend both days?08:50
rcgfor me some things seem to have changed and i will most likely only make it to brussels saturday evening/night08:51
Stskeepsyes08:51
Stskeepsfri-sat-sun08:51
rcgaye08:55
rcgdo you plan to go to some pub or late dinner or so?08:56
Stskeepsprobably, but, sec08:56
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mikhasStskeeps, I'll buy you a free beer on Friday.09:07
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SouL_Hey guys09:08
SouL_Do you know if I can install Mer on this tablet?  http://www.pccomponentes.com/denver_tad_10021_4gb_10_1_.html?utm_source=boletin-2013-01-29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=boletinsemanal&utm_content=5325209:08
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SouL_Hey guys, do you know If I can install Mer on this tablet? http://www.pccomponentes.com/denver_tad_10021_4gb_10_1_.html?utm_source=boletin-2013-01-29&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=boletinsemanal&utm_content=5325209:21
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kulveSouL_: what soc does it have? Is there a Mer HW adaptation layer for that soc?09:29
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SouL_I'm searching more information, kulve, hang on please.09:33
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SouL_Do you know a list of tablets that I can unistall android and install mer?09:42
SageNexus 709:45
SouL_More?09:45
SouL_xD09:45
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mikhasTwo Nexus7?09:58
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SouL_haha09:58
SouL_Nothing from google please09:58
mikhasNo really, go with the Nexus7, lots of people currently trying to do the same as you do.09:59
mikhasI just installed Ubuntu yesterday on my Nexus7, it was dead simple.09:59
mikhasNo Google involvement other than unlocking the boot loader.09:59
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CosmoHillmorning10:00
SouL_Thanks mikhas10:02
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alteregomikhas: I haven't tried ubuntu on it, though did use their installation how to in order to unlock the bootloader, and reinstate android10:05
alteregoHow well does ubuntu work on it?10:06
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kulveat least the UI is not suitable for smaller touchscreens10:10
mikhasalterego, works better than expected10:10
mikhassome graphical glitches but pretty stable an OK performance10:11
mikhassomeone must have spend a lot of time improving Onboard for instance10:11
mikhasThe Unity parts actually work with that kind of resolution.10:12
alteregoCool10:12
mikhasIt's the applications and sadly, GTK+, that spill the beans10:12
alteregoyeah10:12
alteregoThe hardware is really nice and sleek. It's a shame I don't really like any of the tablet OS' out there :/10:12
mikhaswhich is were PlasmaActive has a distinct advantage, and Nemo Mobile of course10:13
alteregoThey all seem either lame (Android, iOS) or clunky.10:13
sledgesgood morthing10:13
alteregoI just find PA a bit annoying, the buttons are too small, and it doesn't perform particularly great.10:13
alteregoI want something more minimalist. I've got some ideas for a tablet UX, but finding the time nowadays is somewhat difficult :)10:14
Bostikthe reward for a job well done is more jobs :)10:16
alteregohheh10:16
sledgesalterego, tried Seadot ?10:17
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kulvedoes that need something special or could I just add couple of packages to my .ks and try it out on n7?10:19
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sledgeskulve, see no reason why not. Though only as soon as you are able to obtain that .ks ;)10:25
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sledgesok, found finally, kulve: http://gitorious.org/seadot/build-tools/trees/master10:28
sledgesdoesn't look straight-forward ;)10:28
sledgesas repo's in .ks point to --baseurl=http://192.168.0.102/repo/...10:31
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kulveah, now I remember. I actually tried that out and noticed that only when mic complained about the IP..10:42
davidqiStskeeps: I ever asked how to add "ifconfig" in my mer image, but seems lost it now, can you tell how to make it included in my mer rootfs?10:43
davidqiit seems to add sth in the .ks file10:43
Stskeepsnet-tools in %packages10:44
Stskeepsi think10:44
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davidqiyes, how is it exactly like?10:45
davidqi@packages10:45
davidqinet-tools10:45
davidqi?10:45
sledgeskulve, I think the build-script creates the whole sdk/chroot in-place (wow), and spawns it on 192.168.42.42 (some fiddling thereafter might give fruits, as I think it builds all locally, looking at http://www.wetab-community.com/index.php?/topic/19405-seadot-usb-image-auf-linux-selber-bauen/?p=300281 )10:46
Stskeepsdavidqi: yes10:46
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davidqidoes the latest mer come out yesterday?10:47
Stskeepsyes10:49
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davidqigreat, with wayland support?10:51
Stskeepsyes10:52
davidqidoes this mean, my current creating mer image will have the wayland support by default?10:53
Stskeepsyou probably need to enable it10:54
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SouL_brb11:00
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sledgeshorror story OBS: lesson learned: never revert any revisions of your home: project package to itself forgetting to uncheck "delete package after SR is accepted"12:30
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rcgsledges, yay :/12:37
sledgesI got backups luckily :) and this made me transition to BMO OBS for pandaboard HA ;)12:37
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vgradekulve: sledges I did the work on getting seadot onto OBS, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Avgrade%3Atest12:38
vgradekulve: sledges just not had time to test further12:38
kulvevgrade: nice12:39
kulveMaybe I'll give it a shot at some point12:39
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kulvevgrade: do you know how to launch that thing?12:39
kulveJust run some desktop-binary or something more complicated?12:40
vgradekulve: I have a g9 ks in production12:40
vgradedesktop bin as I remember. I booted on ExoPc when it was announced and wanted to try on ARM12:40
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sledgeslbt, http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/pandaboard/latest_armv7hl/ != http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/hw:/pandaboard/latest_armv7hl (notice the slash missing, the latter has gets wrong redirect, breaking OBS links such as Go to Download Repository https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Apandaboard&repository=latest_armv7hl )12:43
vgradekulve: http://gitorious.org/seadot/build-tools/blobs/master/system/seadot.ks12:43
sledgesnice work vgrade \o/12:44
kulve# fix race condition causing X to fail the first time12:44
vgradekulve: but it also imports these to do post seup, http://gitorious.org/seadot/build-tools/trees/master/system/post-install.d12:44
kulveI wonder if that's happening occasionally on my n7..12:44
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sledgeshappens on pandaboard, but Xorg just spits Out-of-memory panic all over the place. Can launch second time though. hope this's related12:45
vgradekulve: http://gitorious.org/seadot/build-tools/blobs/master/system/post-install.d/90-ux.sh sets up the session12:45
kulveok12:45
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sledgeslbt, no worries, bug submitted https://bugs.merproject.org/post_bug.cgi13:05
sledgeshttps://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67013:06
MerbotMer bug 670 in IT / Other "repo.merproject.org has wrong redirect with trailing forward slash" [Normal,New]13:06
sledges:)13:06
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lbtsledges: ty13:09
sledgeslbt, where can I see the build log and progress? currently it's just whirrling around: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=kernel-adaptation-pandaboard&project=home%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Anemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Apandaboard#13:09
lbtsorry, busy :(13:10
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sledgesok, another bug then :) I'll get around with URI fiddling for now13:10
kulvesledges: packages -> monitor13:11
sledgesor that way ;D13:11
sledgesthanks kulve !13:11
kulvesledges: I've complaining about the same I was pointed to that :)13:11
kulve+been13:11
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sledgesis there a bug? if it isn't time to put one :) wonder where should it be logged though?13:13
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sledgesMer Infra/Mer OBS vs Mer Integration Tools (MINT)/OBS13:13
sledges"the confusion sets in".. :)13:14
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lbtinfra is our systems on our VMs13:16
lbtMINT is the software which you may download and install on your VMs13:16
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sledgesand which does OBS on build.merproject.org belong to ?13:16
sledgesthe infra bit I believe now13:17
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lbtsledges: yes14:01
sledgesok, https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=67114:01
MerbotMer bug 671 in Mer OBS ""Build Results" is broken" [Normal,New]14:02
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sledgeshow to stop `specify` to overwrite this line all the time "%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}" ? I have upstream's root dir name in the tarball..15:26
StskeepsSetupOptions: ?15:27
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[ol]Stskeeps: You mentioned yesterday that it's possible to build Plasma Active for x86_64 using MeeGo OBS, but it has to be done properly. Could you please provide more details about that?15:44
sledgesStskeeps, thanks a bunch! Worked like charm :)15:44
Stskeeps[ol]: meaning i'd like to merge this into mer when i can, then it becomes part of a preview release of mer, just been really snowed under at work15:45
Stskeeps[ol]: i'll take a look at it in 15 minutes15:45
[ol]OK, good. I'll be here.15:45
Stskeepsi can't upgrade kernel-headers to 3.7 at this point, but things should work without that, from what i can tell15:46
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Artoxwhat exactly does "--copy-kernel" in a yaml file at Mic2Options do?15:55
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[ol]Stskeeps: Several packages will break with older kernel-headers.16:01
[ol]Stskeeps: I don't see reasons why new kernel-headers will break anything for older kernels.16:02
[ol]Kernel interfaces are kept compatible between releases. The only problem is that some old interfaces (like v4l) are gone, but this is already handled in packages updated for new kernel-headers.16:03
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Stskeeps[ol]: well, there are software that relies on that if kernel headers are > something, then use this function, which doesn't exist on that kernel..16:08
[ol]I've seen only few changes in kernel-headers affecting package build: v4l and ipq are gone (gst-plugins-base and iptables were updated), and some obscure network families were gone also (and net-tools updated).16:08
[ol]Stskeeps: What kind of software?16:09
Stskeepswell, it might entirely be that i'm wrong, but the idea is the userland has to run on a 2.6.32 and above16:09
Stskeepsso we can't have anything assuming it's on a 3.716:10
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[ol]Software won't assume it. There is nothing in kernel-headers-3.7 telling software that it's expected to run on 3.7.16:12
[ol]If there's a new interface in kernel available, software is expected to fall back gracefully if this interface is not available.16:13
Stskeepsokay, i'll choose to believe you, but verify with QA ;)16:13
[ol]Of course, it needs testing.16:13
[ol]There always can be buggy software.16:14
Stskeepscould you fix http://review.merproject.org/#change,1110 meanwhile i'm fixing something?16:16
[ol]Stskeeps: Where can I find error messages for this change?16:18
Stskeepsit's just that you need to run precheckin.sh as well16:19
[ol]Stskeeps: Ah, OK, found your comment.16:19
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[ol]Stskeeps: OK, amended commit has been pushed.16:21
Stskeepsthanks16:21
* Stskeeps merges16:23
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Stskeeps[ol]: i'll merge this into all the architectures now, then i'll add the x86_64 port16:29
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[ol]OK, good.16:29
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sledgesOBS related: upstream used to have tarball with binary blobs + src for building kernel module. Now upstream split that into two packages. Shall16:34
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sledgesI create new package and split current .yaml .spec logic, or can a package handle two tarballs, untar them into the same dir and treat as before ?16:34
[ol]I know very few about OBS, but I know rpmbuild, and it allows to do it both ways.16:39
sledgesthanks [ol]. The only thing I don't like is that upstream tarballs might have different root dir naming structure16:42
[ol]That can be handled by different options of %setup macro.16:43
sledgesyup, renaming around.. will have to delve into!.. :)16:43
sledges(no idea how by now, will figure out soon)16:43
[ol]Do you really need to have contents of both tarballs in the same directory? Can they live side-by-side as subdirectories in a common directory?16:44
sledgesmaybe they could..16:44
* sledges has no idea what is happening inside OBS worker vm 8)16:44
[ol]I presume that rpmbuild is invoked inside.16:45
deztructor_Stskeeps: who can create qtscriptbindings in mer gerrit?16:45
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Stskeepsdeztructor_: build it for all archs on cobs first16:45
[ol]And there are lots of packages already which have several Source directives. This case should be not much different.16:46
Stskeeps[ol]: ok, other architectures are set to rebuild, let's see how much blows up..16:47
sledges[ol], could you drop me a link to an instance of multiple tarballs? Hard to find myself (thus far came across multiple source directives but only one tarball (other Source1 pointed to e.g. kernel.config))16:48
[ol]sledges: There is no difference whether you have a tarball or something else as Source. You can just "tar xf OURCE0" or something inside %prep section. And %setup is just a convenience macro to extract source archive.16:50
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[ol]Uh oh, Konversation treated "%" sign in my last message as some markup...16:52
vgradesledges: sledges https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=qtplatformplugin-rpi.spec&package=qtplatformplugin-rpi&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3ARaspberryPi&rev=502929cd70addd36ffe4df697c1fe45316:53
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* Stskeeps ponders if he can cash in any beer favours on friday17:01
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sledgeswonders, thanks fellows!17:08
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deztructor_Stskeeps: it was, now one arch is marked as failed but i think this is some obs issue, it was ok (it says 'getbinaries: missing packages: libqtdbus4')17:31
deztructor_before it was ok17:31
deztructor_https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qtscriptgenerator&project=home%3Azalevski%3Abranches%3AMer%3AMDS%3ACore%3Ai58617:32
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deztructor_i will commit new release today but it does not matter because it just adds feature17:32
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sledgeshow to specify multiple SetupOptions in .yaml?18:18
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sledgesI need two lines of %setup18:19
sledges( vgrade, your example did not contain .yaml ;P )18:20
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shmerlHi. Is Mer SDK currently oriented for x86 hosts only? Someone had an idea to use it on the ARM host itself but as chroot as well.19:18
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shmerlhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8886819:19
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lbtkicked gerrit - working again now21:23
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CosmoHillnight night21:49
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