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| timoph | finally a time for meego obs' funeral | 04:15 |
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| timoph | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-announce/2013-January/000011.html | 04:16 |
| SpeedEvil | sigh | 04:23 |
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| situ | Morning | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: yes, clean | 07:08 |
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| Bostik | now that looks good, "Qt* ... Upgrade to 5.0.0" | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 08:41 |
| ka6sox | my granfather told me to never by a car with a "new" engine, let someone else find the bugs!.....similarly I shun away from X.0 releases | 08:50 |
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| dm8tbr | Directory /var/run/dbus is missing in SDK root - please report this bug | 10:56 |
| dm8tbr | huh? | 10:56 |
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| CosmoHill | woof / morning | 13:02 |
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| kulve | "Build Results" still broken in b.m.o. Also the icons in http://repo.merproject.org/ are broken | 13:20 |
| rcg | kulve, if you look in the tabs at the top you can see a summary or so | 13:20 |
| rcg | there you get similar info | 13:20 |
| rcg | just a sec | 13:20 |
| rcg | the tab is called "Monitor" | 13:21 |
| kulve | rcg: ah, thanks | 13:22 |
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| rcg | and if you wanna get the url for the download repos you can get it via the "Repositories" tab | 13:22 |
| rcg | yw :) | 13:22 |
| rcg | greetings from cádiz btw ;) | 13:22 |
| kulve | having a good time? :) | 13:23 |
| rcg | business trip | 13:23 |
| kulve | oh | 13:23 |
| rcg | been quite a lot of work, but we achieved great results i think | 13:23 |
| kulve | based on the google maps it looks like a nice place | 13:23 |
| rcg | it is :) | 13:23 |
| rcg | today i have a day off to enjoy the place before i leave tomorrow | 13:24 |
| rcg | :) | 13:24 |
| rcg | btw have you seen my post wrt to 3g? | 13:26 |
| rcg | turns out that the cdc_acm driver is also used for the 3g modem | 13:27 |
| rcg | now i'm trying to get that thing to actually dial in | 13:27 |
| rcg | ofono should work out of the box but i dunno how it integrates with pa as pa heavily relies on networkmanager | 13:28 |
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| kulve | rcg: yeah, I do follow your blog :) | 13:30 |
| kulve | somebody with 3g n7 should test nemo regarding that | 13:30 |
| rcg | kulve, do you have an installable nemo image? | 13:31 |
| kulve | no, not atm | 13:36 |
| rcg | aye, if you happen to have one i could test it | 13:37 |
| rcg | but no need to hurry | 13:37 |
| rcg | am pretty busy with other stuff anyhow ;) | 13:37 |
| kulve | I created a new Mer SDK a while ago and still my clock goes backwards 2-3 hours every time I run "sudo mic" in the SDK.. | 13:38 |
| kulve | rcg: I do have a .ks somewhere I think, if you can't resist on trying at some point ;) | 13:38 |
| rcg | kulve, hehe, might try how reluctant i am once i find that .ks in my email inbox ;) | 13:40 |
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| rcg | but again no need to rush | 13:43 |
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| rcg | btw, wrt the rendering issues in the "app switcher" | 13:45 |
| rcg | i get very similar looking rendering glitches in the emumaster diskgallery | 13:45 |
| rcg | on archos g9 everything looks normal | 13:45 |
| rcg | and on archos g9 there are also no rendering issues in kwin | 13:45 |
| kulve | interesting. I think those glitches were visible on x86 also.. | 13:50 |
| rcg | i don't know if the kwin issues and the emumaster diskgallery issues are related | 13:51 |
| rcg | however, the look astonishingly similar | 13:51 |
| rcg | it has something like a "mouse cursor trail" when things are moved... as if the screen is not properly cleared | 13:52 |
| rcg | iirc there is some opaque paint event setting or so in qt that could be related to this | 13:52 |
| rcg | but that's a very long shot | 13:52 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ping | 14:28 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/5868499 | 14:28 |
| lbt | oh nm 0.1 | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | lbt, will be at desk in 15 m | 14:29 |
| lbt | it's found the zero files from the busted prerelease, not the 0.2 I did this am | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 14:29 |
| * lbt goes to make soup | 14:30 | |
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| yunta | lbt: you have 2 PRs waiting for you in github mer-tools/sdk-setup | 15:43 |
| lbt | ok ty | 15:43 |
| lbt | can you tidy up your IMG use too | 15:43 |
| lbt | 50Gb of images :) | 15:44 |
| yunta | wtf, I did that couple days ago... | 15:44 |
| yunta | are they still there? | 15:44 |
| yunta | I just used big red cross button in imager | 15:44 |
| yunta | isn't that enough? | 15:44 |
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| lbt | if you did it that's fine | 15:59 |
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| yunta | ok, I did | 16:33 |
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| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mer-srcpkgs-without-gcc-glibc-bash.svg | 16:57 |
| Stskeeps | on source package level | 16:57 |
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| rsequeir | Hi there ! | 17:46 |
| rsequeir | I am very interested in Mer project | 17:47 |
| alterego | Welcome rsequeir | 17:47 |
| rsequeir | can somebody tell me which image to use for Pandaboard: OMAP4430 or OMAP4460 ? | 17:48 |
| rsequeir | nemo OS would be perfect | 17:48 |
| alterego | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Omap4/Pandaboard | 17:48 |
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| rsequeir | thanks ! Looking at it.. | 17:50 |
| rsequeir | If I run the script: Workspace/Omap4/Pandaboard/mer-minimal-lipstick-pandaboard-armv7hl.ks | 17:54 |
| rsequeir | everything should be downloaded easily on my Ubuntu desktop ? | 17:54 |
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| alterego | rsequeir: No, in order to use that script you need to install the Mer Platform SDK: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 17:55 |
| alterego | Then download that script and use it to create an image: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation | 17:56 |
| rsequeir | ok will take a look at it from Monday (office), then come back to you if any questions | 18:00 |
| rsequeir | Thanks alterego ! | 18:00 |
| alterego | No problem | 18:01 |
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| [ol] | Stskeeps: I've checked in all necessary changes to build:x86_64 OBS project and requested full rebuild. | 20:00 |
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| Stskeeps | alright, it probably doesn't work atm, i'll wipe the binaries and it'll start from fresh | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | ie, wipe binaries in build:x86_64 | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | not import :) | 20:01 |
| [ol] | How can I stop the rebuild then? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | no problem, it happens automatically, start-stop | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | what packages did you modify, just to check? | 20:03 |
| [ol] | It started already failing unpacking RPMs. | 20:03 |
| [ol] | binutils bluez gcc glibc gst-plugins-base hwdata iproute iptables kernel-headers libdrm libtalloc libxslt llvm meego-rpm-config net-tools nss pam perl ppl python rpm sgml-common shadow-utils zlib | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that'll be good | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 20:04 |
| [ol] | All should be rebuilt from scratch... | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | ok, now it should work without failure to unpack | 20:06 |
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| [ol] | OK, now I'm taking a break to watch a movie. Hopefully rebuilt will be complete when the movie ends. | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, or further | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | so far so good.. | 20:28 |
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| [ol] | Strange. OBS rebuilds the same packages again. For example, attr was marked as succeeded, now it's marked as building again. | 22:18 |
| [ol] | Or gcc was marked as building some time ago, now it's marked as blocked. | 22:19 |
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| lbt | [ol]: these are build loops | 22:28 |
| lbt | obs builds bash... gcc uses bash in the build process so it's rebuilt | 22:28 |
| lbt | the binaries are then compared and if no changes occur, the rebuild doesn't propogate | 22:29 |
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| [ol] | Wow... Sofisticated system! | 22:31 |
| [ol] | Sophisticated, I mean... | 22:31 |
| lbt | yes, obs is extremely powerful | 22:32 |
| [ol] | But what happens if some package doesn't converge to a stable state? | 22:32 |
| lbt | *g* ... like if there are timestamps in the binaries... | 22:32 |
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| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=21 | 22:33 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 21 in qt-mobility "qt-mobility has timestamps in debugsource" [Task,Assigned] | 22:33 |
| lbt | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=413 | 22:33 |
| Merbot | Mer bug 413 in .Project-core "Build loops happen" [Normal,New] | 22:33 |
| lbt | in that kind of case we have to understand and fix | 22:35 |
| lbt | it primarily happens in the low level build essential type packages | 22:35 |
| lbt | the stuff that forms the initial architecture ports | 22:35 |
| [ol] | And what happens in OBS? Does the build never end until manually interrupted? | 22:37 |
| lbt | correct | 22:37 |
| lbt | it's very rare | 22:38 |
| lbt | see the attachment in 413 ? | 22:39 |
| [ol] | Attachment 12? | 22:41 |
| lbt | yes | 22:41 |
| lbt | it's an obs build log | 22:41 |
| lbt | run "osc help" sometime - loads of interesting stuff in there | 22:42 |
| [ol] | Something similar is happening in build:x86_64. For example, gcc was successfully rebuilt for 3 times already. | 22:42 |
| lbt | 2 more to go then | 22:43 |
| lbt | it is kinda annoying from an efficiency PoV | 22:43 |
| lbt | but the manpower to fix it vs the rarity and the fact that it's 'just' cpu cycles... | 22:44 |
| [ol] | Does gcc needs to compile itself 5 times to converge? | 22:44 |
| lbt | no, it's not the same as gcc stages | 22:44 |
| [ol] | Normal gcc bootstrap process converhes much faster. :-) | 22:44 |
| lbt | yeah ... that actually happens in *each* of the gcc builds AFAIK | 22:44 |
| [ol] | Yes, I understand. The code might be the same, but RPM built differently. | 22:45 |
| lbt | usually 3 stage (but it's been a long time) | 22:45 |
| lbt | look at the code column | 22:45 |
| lbt | notice how binutils actually changed on the 2nd build | 22:46 |
| lbt | that forces another gcc build | 22:46 |
| [ol] | Yes. Existing compiler compiles gcc, then gcc compiles itself, then new gcc compiles itself again. Then gcc compiled by first gcc is compared with gcc compiled by the second gcc. | 22:46 |
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| [ol] | This way it's checked whether gcc compiled by gcc does the same thing as gcc compiled by other compiler. | 22:47 |
| lbt | right ,,, that's *not* what this is ... but conceptually similar with entire packages/toolchain/libs/utils | 22:47 |
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| [ol] | Is it possible to make "osc jobhist" work like job monitor (like "tail -f")? | 22:48 |
| vgrade | [ol]: is this building happenig on a public OBS? | 22:49 |
| vgrade | [ol]: never seen this bootstrap phase going on | 22:49 |
| lbt | isn't it on merci ? | 22:49 |
| lbt | https://build.ci.merproject.org/monitor | 22:50 |
| [ol] | vgrade: https://build.ci.merproject.org/project/monitor?project=build%3Ax86_64 | 22:50 |
| vgrade | [ol]: lbt thanks | 22:50 |
| [ol] | vgrade: But this is not exactly bootstrap. It's full rebuild using packages bootstrapped manually. | 22:52 |
| lbt | we abuse the word bootstrap :) | 22:53 |
| [ol] | I already have fully working Mer x86_64 virtual machine made of packages built manually (without OBS). | 22:54 |
| lbt | excellent | 22:55 |
| [ol] | slogin guest@mer-x86-64.infoserver.ru | 22:55 |
| [ol] | Password is the same as root password on Nemo Mobile. | 22:55 |
| lbt | I'm actually quite interested in how that may help in the build system | 22:55 |
| [ol] | And, BTW, you need to have IPv6 to log in. I have no spare public IPv4 addresses. :-) | 22:56 |
| lbt | just noticed | 22:56 |
| lbt | sadly on my TODO | 22:56 |
| [ol] | Oh, come on. If you have IPv4, you can automatically have IPv6 /48 network block using 6to4. 5 minutes to setup. | 22:57 |
| lbt | I last had IPv6 working in 2001 :/ | 22:57 |
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| * lbt allocates 10m | 22:58 | |
| [ol] | Or if you have no public IPv4 address, you still can establish a tunnel with sixxs.net using aiccu tunnel. | 22:58 |
| lbt | actually my ISP allocate me ipv6 | 22:58 |
| lbt | but I have my own iptable fw | 22:58 |
| [ol] | Lucky you. My ISP seems to know nothing about IPv6. :-) | 22:58 |
| lbt | yeah - linux friendly | 22:59 |
| lbt | I just know it'll end up as a rabbithole | 22:59 |
| [ol] | You can copy iptables configuration to ip6tables one and change accordingly. | 22:59 |
| [ol] | If you have NAT for IPv4, replace it with stateful firewall for IPv6. | 23:00 |
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| [ol] | Using state module. | 23:00 |
| lbt | you know how theoretically you can switch from exim to some other mailer in 5mins | 23:01 |
| lbt | but then you look at the 5000 scripts that hardcode exim-isms into them | 23:02 |
| lbt | and the hand crafted LDAP module | 23:02 |
| lbt | and the... | 23:02 |
| lbt | :) | 23:02 |
| lbt | it's a bit like that | 23:02 |
| lbt | each individual bit is trivial | 23:02 |
| lbt | the mesh of them all is not | 23:02 |
| lbt | and then, at the end of the day, I admit that I decide to spend my effort on Mer rather than that :) | 23:03 |
| [ol] | That's why IPv6 was designed to make transition smooth. It works well in parallel to IPv4. For the beginning you can just make a simple ip6tables configuration which allows outbound connection only. Then you can poke holes as needed. | 23:04 |
| * lbt checks to see what's listening on ipv6 on his fw | 23:05 | |
| [ol] | But you have no IPv6 now. What the point to allow incoing IPv6? | 23:06 |
| lbt | I have an ipv6 allocation | 23:06 |
| lbt | if I add it to my ppp0 I'll have it | 23:06 |
| [ol] | OK, here is example ip6table configuration which allows incoming IPsec, ssh, http and https: | 23:11 |
| [ol] | https://www.infoserver.ru/~ol/tmp/ip6tables | 23:11 |
| [ol] | Replace "lan" with the name of your internal network interface. | 23:11 |
| lbt | just looking how to get pppd to enable ipv6 | 23:12 |
| [ol] | It allows all outgoing connections from firewall (bastion) host and lan, and allows only connections to services mentioned above on the bastion host. | 23:13 |
| [ol] | Do you have PPPoE? | 23:13 |
| lbt | A INPUT -m ipv6header --header ah ? | 23:13 |
| lbt | and esp ? | 23:13 |
| [ol] | Yes, this is for IPsec. | 23:13 |
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| lbt | ok - ty | 23:16 |
| [ol] | I presume, it accepts all IPsec packets, but they'll be rejected by the kernel ifthey don't belong to already established association. | 23:16 |
| lbt | I use tincd for my vpns | 23:17 |
| [ol] | Yes, but you can use IPsec in transport mode for some of your connections. | 23:18 |
| [ol] | Anyway it doesn't hurt in case you decide to do it later. | 23:21 |
| [ol] | OK, I'll be back in half an hour. | 23:23 |
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| lbt_ | Thanks for the prod [ol] ... logged in | 23:42 |
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