Tuesday, 2013-01-22

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CosmoHillnight night, slaapwel01:03
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jizahello everyone!03:29
jizaAnybody know how to get the language setting value (locale) on Mer/Nemo?03:31
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kulveah, finally the upstream ti dsp bridge works on omap307:26
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BeineriBostik: hi, FYI I branched your Qt5 packages, updated them to final release tarballs and fixed some build errors in home:sbinner:qt50 project...08:21
StskeepsBeineri: do you know of git project modular-qt-specs?08:22
BeineriStskeeps: no08:23
Beineriwhy isn't it on Mer git server?08:23
BostikBeineri: I thought I had already done the 5.0.0 final works08:24
StskeepsBeineri: generally mer takes only full releases, bostik follows git - but it'd be good to align on the modular-qt-specs work08:24
BostikBeineri: the repo name in cobs (Qt5a1) is an artifact, if that's what you meant :)08:24
BeineriBostik: I compared qtbase and some other modules and it looked like RC2... maybe something didn't got pushed from that git repo?08:24
BeineriBostik: yeah, didn't find anything newer :-)08:25
Bostikah, right; there's been just one change in qtbase/*spec since RC2 - the missing libexecdir for configure08:26
Beinerias general suggestion note in the project or submit comment from where from git repo it's pulling, not just "automated source upload"08:26
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Bostikand that I only found out when I managed to re-enable WebKit2 ui-process08:26
Bostikhum, good point08:27
* Bostik pushes to hack-stack08:27
StskeepsBeineri: out of curiousity, what are you using qt5 for?08:29
chriadammardy: do I have to do something special to get the AccountService's AuthData's parameters to pass through string list params?  Eg, if I define in a service <template> a setting like: <setting name="Scope" type="as">["email", "calendar", "contacts"]</setting> it never seems to work (gets passed through as undefined / invalid)08:30
chriadammardy: and I get a warning from somewhere: Unsupported type "GStrv"08:30
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BeineriStskeeps: only running qt5 demos, on same range of devices as our plasma actives images08:31
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StskeepsBostik: btw, %s~%s+%s-%s isn't a legal rpm version in obs08:47
Stskeeps(the dash)08:47
Bostikah right, that was an oversight since I believe I had fixed the format for other case08:48
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lbtmorning all08:59
TheorboA few weeks ago someone offered two N950's to me. Wanting to contribute to Mer and possibly Nemo, I familiarized myself with each. Unfortunately, that offer of the N950's fell through.08:59
lbtStskeeps: https://img.merproject.org/img/queue/ - finally did process driven image build on mer infra09:00
TheorboI was hoping to receive them in the next few weeks and thereafter begin contributing.09:00
TheorboI'm afraid my hopes of helping fell through with the offer of the N950's being retracted. Unless someone has a source that I might buy one from, I may be jumping camp to that Ubuntu junk.09:02
lbtTheorbo: that's not a problem - we have emulators now :)09:04
TheorboI can't help wanting to have a device in my hands. I don't feel nearly as motivated otherwise. I'm weak :)09:05
lbtah - device whore ... nm :D09:06
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lbtwell, most device programs aim give them to people who's primary motivation is not 'get a free device' ... ymmv09:07
lbtanyhow, good luck :)09:08
TheorboI meant purchasing09:10
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TheorboMy prior arrangment was a purchhase that fell through. I'm not looking to obtain one freely09:10
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Theorbo... despite my intentions to contribute a fair bit09:11
lbtah - OK, I'm *much* more sympathetic then :)09:11
lbtsadly n950s are rare09:11
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lbtn9 or n900 are both acceptable dev devices for mer and nemo09:11
lbtn900 is a bit less capable these days09:12
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TheorboWell, the loss has rather disappointed me. I had spent some hours updating myself with the project. I think I will buy one of those google phones and work on Ubuntu Phone out of spite.09:17
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TheorboFare the well, Maemo/MeeGo/Mer/Nemo/SailFish09:17
lbtok good luck o/09:17
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Jopeis the n9 so difficult to buy tho09:19
Jopeat least they can be had for more reasonable prices than the n95009:20
mardychriadam: unfortunately reading of string lists was not implemented in libaccounts-qt09:20
mardychriadam: I fixed that only yesterday, coincidentally :-)09:20
mardychriadam: it's in git master, but I didn't make a release yet09:21
TheorboI really am a hardware keyboard devotee. It can't be helped. I'm really annoyed, I was looking forward to the N950 and running Mer. I wanted to help get the thing to a state that I could carry it as my primary device.09:21
TheorboI was even willing to overpay for them. After hearing that the UX from SailFish was likely closed, I resigned myself to seeing Mer (with Nemo) become a usable platform09:24
TheorboAlas, my heart is broken and instead of a lovely metal N950 running an OS I help create - I will yield some google designed junk with a lesser OS09:26
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Stskeepsmorn slaine :)09:26
slainemorning Stskeeps09:26
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chriadammardy: ah, no worries :-)  thanks09:31
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alteregokulve: ping09:59
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alteregoGot automatic usb0 configuration working on plugging in usb :)09:59
alteregoUsing udev10:00
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kulveyou just added a one line udev rule?10:00
alteregoSo you need g_multi loaded at startup by sticking the .conf file in modules-load.d10:00
alteregokulve: yes10:00
kulvemodules-load.d I already added (but not committed)10:00
alteregoin 99-tegra-devices.rules: SUBSYSTEM=="power_supply", KERNEL=="usb", ATTR{online}=="1", RUN+="/sbin/ifconfig usb0 up"10:00
alteregoSo it detects usb power supply when being plugged in to a computer and configures the usb network interface.10:01
alteregoWhich as I understand it is basically what usb modded does.10:01
kulvewhat happens if you plug in the usb charger? :)10:01
alteregokulve: no idea, it'll probably try to configure it but fail. Either way doesn't matter that much ;)10:01
kulveyeah, I'm fine with that10:02
alteregokulve: I can make it more specific, hang on10:02
lbtudev can't detect a usb nw adaptor?10:02
alteregolbt: it does, but that happens at boot, the interface is created, but not connected ..10:02
alteregoAnd udev doesn't know when it's connected.10:02
lbtI see10:03
alteregokulve: okay, that does work as we want it, something else happens when you connect AC10:03
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alteregousb is specific to usb host side :)10:03
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alteregokulve: seems to work pretty perfectly :)10:05
kulvesounds good10:06
alteregoThe interface even goes down when unplugged, presumably forced by kernel when interface gets disconnected, but comes back up as expected when replugged.10:06
alteregoI managed to get that working quite late last night :)10:07
alteregoThis is on the PA image, used it to get ssh over wifi. I'm going to try it on my basic mer image this evening,10:07
lbtauri__: http://img.merproject.org/images/sdk-builds/0-20130122-092207/10:07
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auri__lbt: ?10:08
lbtpiping hot VDI image of SDK VM10:08
alteregolbt: need testers? ;)10:08
alteregoI'll download it and have a look later then10:09
lbtdownload when needed though - we may make more10:09
alteregoRight, need to jump in shower.10:09
alteregolbt: okay10:09
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auri__cool :)10:10
kulvealterego: I updated the configs-nexus7. It should now have that udev rule10:11
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kulvealterego: also there should be login over usb as well for easy testing without wifi10:11
alteregokulve: awesome. Is it released? :)10:11
alteregokulve: just add ssh to your image .ks10:11
alteregoWorks like a charm10:11
kulvealterego: well, b.m.o. is still broken so I don't know when it's built10:11
kulvealterego: well, now you can use ssh OR serial :)10:12
kulvetoo many wells10:12
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alteregokulve: serial is a bit more of a pain in the ass for what I want :)10:15
alteregokulve: as the module isn't built in, you don't get kernel debug output anyway :/10:15
kulveI can't figure out any reason for it either now that the usb0 works :)10:16
kulvealterego: now you can fix the vkb! ;)10:16
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alteregoDoes PA use maliit?10:18
kulvevkb works on PA but not on Nemo10:18
alteregoI was thinking of getting the hardware adaptation up to scratch first, orientation sensing is probably next priority for my use case.10:18
alteregoI don't really know much about maliit10:19
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kulveI think the vkb issue is related to the window manager composition.. But I don't know anything about it either10:19
kulvealterego: how do you want to get the orientation sensing working? For Nemo or for PA?10:20
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alteregoYou have to remember I'm not that interested in Plasma ;)10:20
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kulveLuckily I don't need GUI at all :)10:20
alteregoNemo, I want to get mer/nemo running on it properly. Plasma uses too many things that aren't really supported by mer. Like network manager, for instance ;)10:20
kulvebut I do want to integrate all fixes there to support everything10:20
alteregoI agree10:21
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alteregoWhich is why I'm happier working on a more lower level. Maliit will be a problem for me at some point, but I want to use the nexus for Qt5 dev10:21
kulvealterego: I created sensorfw plugin for this Industrial I/O that N7 provides for sensors. But I don't really know how it's supposed to work etc.. I think the sensorfw loads the plugin but then nothing..10:21
alteregokulve: good, well it's a start :)10:22
kulveI think the vkb issue might very well be related to Qt4.x and moving to Qt5 could just magically fix it (as it's less dependant on Nokia's EGL extensions)10:22
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mikhaskulve, what vkb issue?10:29
TheorboIs anyone NOT using an N950 for development?10:30
Stskeepsi use a n9 and a vm typically10:30
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Stskeepsor a exopc10:30
* phako uses an n9 if necessary10:30
Stskeepsor a s10-3t..10:30
phakoor a 3c-po10:30
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mikhasI would like to use the Nexus7.10:31
Stskeepsmikhas: at least it seems like HW adaptation is shaping up quite nicely10:31
mikhasphako, storm troopers are on their way, dont attempt to resist10:31
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kulvemikhas: the display gets blanked when the vkb should be shown10:32
kulveit works with the plasma active though10:32
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kulvealterego: the whole approach is so broken that I probably shouldn't have pushed this but: https://github.com/kulve/sensorfw-iioadaptor10:33
phakomikhas: plasma active flavor should do for now, no?10:33
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mikhaspvuorela, does that sound like the transient hint bug you fixed yesterday ^10:33
mikhasphako, yep, easiest10:33
TheorboI was supposed to be buying two N950s from someone - they canceled on me - is there anyone in Mer development that would sell one to a hopeful developer?10:33
StskeepsTheorbo: they're not sale-able, they're practically the property of nokia10:34
Stskeepsso i can't condone illegal activity in here, sorry10:34
TheorboI've spent hours brushing up on Mer development and Qt (it has been a while since I worked with Qt)10:34
kulveby approach I mean that it tries to provide three sensors with one plugin and I don't know how it should be done. So I guess it now tries to enable only the accelerometer. But that IioAdapter() is never called, I think even if it loads the plugin..10:34
Theorbosts - I was under the impression that some were won, therefore owned10:35
StskeepsTheorbo: no clue, in practice most of us here has them under loan agreements10:35
Stskeepsdon't know of anyone who won one here10:35
StskeepsTheorbo: talk.maemo.org may be a better place for you to try that out10:36
TheorboWell, I'm done asking. The situation has really annoyed me. I'm giving up and going over to the dark side (Ubuntu "Phone")10:37
kulvesomehow I think that side may be even more annoying..10:37
TheorboAre they closing any of the source? example: UX?10:38
StskeepsTheorbo: it's not released yet, at least10:38
Stskeepsui components are out (qml) though10:38
Stskeepseither way, it's your own personal choice10:39
kulveI have a GUIless Qt application. What's the easiest way to get the Wifi signal strength?10:39
Stskeepslibiw, perhaps10:40
TheorboWell, SailFish is a let down for me, so I was going to focus on Mer/Nemo in hopes it would actually achieve an independently usable degree10:40
Stskeepsor look at the connman test scripts10:40
kulveStskeeps: libconnman-qt isn't something usable?10:40
Stskeepsit should also be okay10:40
TheorboI had hoped Jolla was going to be carrying on as a Finnish entity interested in the Western market rather than wanting to be the provider for the platform that chinese authorities have been wanting for china10:43
StskeepsTheorbo: we're discussing mer core here, for vendor specific discussion, please have that in their irc channels10:44
Theorboplease settle down - you are dangerously close to overdoing it10:45
Theorboone sentence shouldn't really set you off10:45
Stskeepsif i was set off i wouldn't say please :)10:45
Stskeeps[ol]: what kind of rpm config changes, btw?10:46
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TheorboYour type always find your way into forum/message board/channel oversight.10:48
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kulvenow there was no "please"10:49
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Stskeepsit just astonishes me how people are thinking that we're supposed to be upset they'll try out other solutions, when it's completely up to them what given linux distro, type of toothpaste, etc they go with..10:50
mikhasI would have done that much earlier than Stskeeps did. When I had to moderate stuff I learned that you don't play games with troublemakers and you better deal with them swiftly.10:51
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mikhasalterego, am happy that you enjoy working on Mer (ie, the lower level of the stack)10:53
alteregomikhas: I work on many levels ;)10:54
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mikhasI noticed.10:54
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alteregomikhas: I do a fair amount of work in telephony and UX too :)10:56
alteregoI might be wrong, but it looks like basysKom used the buttons and some UI components I did for peregrine in plasma active. :)10:56
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sledgesthanks for the answer [ol]. My (old) laptops/netbooks are all x86_32 (HP 6710b, Asus EeePc 1005HA), but that detachable/convertible one of yours sounds interesting :)11:01
auri__lbt: ping11:02
* jussi waves 11:03
StskeepsBostik: did you have a build fix for qtquick1?11:03
* lbt waves to jussi11:04
auri__need help.. can you tell me what is the best way to know which toolchain(s) is(are) installed by MER-SB2-*.. unfortunately zypper info doesnt list the contents11:04
lbtwebapp should tell you11:04
BostikStskeeps: I think so, a moment11:04
lbtalso : zypper search SB2*11:04
lbterm : zypper search SB211:04
BostikStskeeps: oh right, quick1 ... alas, no11:04
sledgesjussi \o11:05
auri__ya but it doesnt tell me that MER-SB2-armv7hl installs armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-gcc for eg11:05
BostikStskeeps: the only thing I've gotten out of that mess is, quoting from memory "sources have not been updated to work with latest qmake"11:05
lbtauri__: ah11:05
lbtauri__: what are you trying to do?11:05
Bostikwhich I roughly translated as "you can go in a corner and weep if you like"11:05
auri__Well I am changing the approach to how we add targets for the mer plugin11:06
auri__I want the plugin to manage the existing toolchains and targets in a better way11:06
auri__toolchain installtion is independent of target installation11:06
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lbtthe webapp does that11:07
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auri__so I need to know that if i install MER-SB2-xxx , I will need to create scripts that wrap around the cross compile toolchain that will be installed in mer VM11:07
auri__yes the webapp does that in VM11:07
jussiheya lbt, sledges11:07
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alteregoauri__: all the toolchains are called cross-*11:08
auri__but I need corresponding wrappers in host11:08
lbtauri__: why are you wrapping scripts11:08
lbtI'm a bit nervous11:08
auri__I am wrapping just the gcc11:08
lbtsb2 -t target gcc11:08
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lbtthat is a wrapper11:08
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lbtyou are telling me what you're doing :)11:09
lbtjust trying to get an understanding of why11:09
lbtso I can help get a solution that works for us11:09
lbtalso bearing in mind plans for other use cases11:10
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auri__For every toolchain that is installed in the VM, I would like to have a corresponding wrapper on the host.. why? well it better represents that the host and VM are "in sync"11:10
auri__installing toolchains is independent of installing targets11:11
auri__so I can have a toolchain that may not be used by any existing target11:11
lbtyes, the webapp has a toolchain page already11:11
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lbtthe patterns are the toolchains11:12
lbtthey are independent of targets11:12
lbtwhen you add a target you specify which toolchain to use11:12
auri__is it possible to have more than one toolchain for a target?11:13
lbtwe wont11:13
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lbtthe target includes libraries11:13
lbtso it's unlikely that you'd do that in a sane way11:13
auri__ok.. so my assumption of 1 target = 1 toolchain will not go wrong (in the future too)11:14
auri__is that correct11:14
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lbttarget : toolchain is  many : 111:15
lbtalso, to be clear many includes 011:15
lbtdo you still need wrappers?11:17
auri__wrappers over make and gcc .. yes11:18
lbtbut just sb2 -t <t> gcc ?11:18
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lbtOK :) FWIW I'm looking at modifying the way target sharing works a little too. We currently share the entire target over vbox-sf. We'll probably have the target deployed internally to the SDK now and then duplicate it to the sf area11:21
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auri__lbt: as long as it doesnt hurt me.. I am fine! :)11:23
lbtyou shouldn't notice11:23
lbtwe may want to figure out how to make a minimal subset11:24
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kulveStskeeps: Since I only want the wlan signal strength, this is is: /sys/class/net/wlan0/wireless/link11:24
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alteregoStskeeps: how does mer/nemo hide the cursor?11:36
alteregoI vaguely remember a -no-cursor argument ..11:36
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lbtalterego: looking11:37
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alteregoNot sure whether it's uxlaunch or not ..11:38
kulveexport M_USE_SHOW_CURSOR=111:39
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kulveI don't know if that's valid anymore..11:39
lbtsed -i 's/ -nocursor//'  /etc/sysconfig/nemo-ui11:39
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lbtfwiw it seems to be missing here: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/0.20121224.1.NEMO.2013-01-12.1/images/nemo-handset-i486-vm/nemo-handset-i486-vm.ks11:40
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kulve$ grep cursor etc/sysconfig/nemo-mobile-ui11:42
kulveOPTIONS=-background none -nocursor11:42
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StskeepsBostik: gah11:51
Stskeeps%qmake was the culprit11:51
Bostikthat's all?11:52
* Bostik gives it a spin11:52
Stskeepswell it's not done building yet11:52
Stskeepsbut at least it builds11:52
Bostikthat's the second package where using %qmake is wrong then11:53
sledgeskulve, M_USE_SHOW_CURSOR must still be set if you want to see cursor when running MTF based apps (hence settings)11:53
kulvesledges: ok11:57
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Bostikyup, it's building all right11:59
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StskeepsBostik: same in qt3d12:04
Bostikuuuuu mama12:05
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sledges:D ^ reminded me of Ace Ventura12:26
BostikStskeeps: at least library renames from libQtQuick1 -> libQt5Declarative (just looking what else there may be)12:27
sroedalah right, the confusion12:27
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BeineriBostik: I did quick1 and qt3d build fixes etc all in my project...13:21
Bostiknice, I'm iterating over the fixes myself too13:22
Beineriuhm, I notice - now qtquick1 is broken in mine due to linking against yours :-)13:23
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Bostikoh... sorry about that13:23
Bostikit's getting fixed as we speak13:23
BeineriI think I have to fix the merge conflict myself13:24
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lbtnot good for mer-tools etc13:59
faenilwhy would they do that? :O13:59
Stskeepsa quick guess: gist14:00
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Bostikfaenil, lbt: there were some informed guesses in NH thread that this might be related to a train ticket polling system which used resources directly from github, and caused a massive overload to said ticket system as there were too many robots trying to reserve tickets as they came available14:00
sledgesconcept "you can't kill opensource" bit obstructed now..14:01
Bostikthose guesses do have some merit, because it's a DNS block, not GFoC IP-address block14:01
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lbtyunta: you have 48Gb of images on mer img, can you clean up please :)14:25
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[ol]sledges: In fact, Lenovo IdeaPad S10-3t is convertible, but not detachable. The way it's converted to tablet is turning around its display which is attached to the keyboard with a special hinge.15:02
sledgesah yes, remember those15:03
Stskeeps[ol]: any modifications in rpm itself, or meego-rpm-config?15:03
Stskeepsas that's first thing i should sort out15:03
leinirsledges: speaking of such things - still interested in my adam? :)15:04
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CosmoHillhi Stskeeps, sledges and leinir15:05
sledgesleinir, thanks for holding it.... not really :) sorry15:05
leinirok, ebay it is, then ;)15:05
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[ol]Stskeeps: Positive answer to both questions.15:07
leinir'sup CosmoHill :)15:07
Stskeepsok, can you summarize them to me or i should just peek at the src rpms?15:07
[ol]Stskeeps: I'm preparing these changes for review.15:07
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[ol]I'm not that cruel to force you to compare all these SRPMs by hand. :-)15:08
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Stskeepsi've worked with a big corporation, that's almost normal..15:08
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[ol]Stskeeps: Changes for rpm:15:30
[ol]Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/106515:30
[ol]Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/106615:30
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Stskeeps[ol]: you need .changes file entry too (yes, i'm aware that it's a bit redundant since we have git..)15:31
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Stskeepsotherwise OK15:31
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[ol]OK, now I have to amend these two commits, right?15:33
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[ol]I'm not good in git (my personal preference is bzr due to simplicity). Could you please tell me how to return to the previous commit and amend it?15:36
[ol]I didn't find git uncommit command.15:37
Stskeepshttps://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution_in_detail#Re-submit_if_original_change_was_rejected -15:37
Stskeepsjust add it in the second commit, fine by me15:37
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[ol]Stskeeps: Amended: http://review.merproject.org/106515:52
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Stskeepsthanks - you don't normally need to touch Release: field, we have obs handling that part, but i'll merge that anyway15:54
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[ol]Stskeeps: Another amended: http://review.merproject.org/106615:58
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Stskeepsok, there might be a path conflict since you have amended one commit without rebasing the second, but we'll sort that out16:00
Stskeeps(look at .changes in both)16:00
* Stskeeps has to catch a shower16:00
[ol]Stskeeps: There is no conflict. I've rebased both commits.16:08
[ol]Stskeeps: One more: http://review.merproject.org/106716:08
[ol]Stskeeps: Also, both changes to rpm package have no conflicting files at all. The first one changes rpm-python.changes, the second one changes rpm.changes, so no conflicts even if they were done in separate branches.16:11
[ol]The third review is more interesting. It fixes a problem with building kernel package from Fedora.16:12
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Stskeepsseems accurate though16:13
[ol]I have changes to 27 packages, so 25 more to go.16:15
Stskeepsi might not be able to fit them in the next mer release as it's scheduled for thursday, but after that i'll be able to merge all of them16:16
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lbt*deep breath*17:19
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lbtoxygen may be better17:20
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alteregoStskeeps: why doesn't mer core have scp?18:23
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Stskeepsalterego: openssh-clients18:41
alteregoNot visible, must be in a different repo?18:41
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Stskeepsyour setup must be broken if those aren't found18:47
alteregoIt's not the client, it's required for file transfer from another host.18:47
alteregoWhen I try to scp from my host machine, it complains that scp doesn't exist.18:47
alteregoHrm, actually.18:47
alteregoAnyway, neither of those work ..18:48
alteregoNot found in a repo18:48
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lbtsee - this is why I don't like upgrading stuff18:48
alteregoStskeeps: it's just a base mer-core image made with the qml viewer & connectivity .ks18:49
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lbtan hour and a half completely wasted because we don't have bloody migrations which I added in 201018:49
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CosmoHillwhere can i find the spec files used by mean20:02
CosmoHillthe link to default_ks under MIC Configuration file  is dead20:04
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alteregoCosmoHill: are you inside the SDK?20:19
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lbtat bloody last20:23
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mordsorry, wron chan20:35
CosmoHillalterego: nope20:38
CosmoHilli mean through a web page or something20:38
alteregoCosmoHill: well, if you've got the SDK installed you can install the mer-core-kickstarts package ..20:39
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alteregomer-kickstarter-configs .. even ..20:39
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