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| situ | Morning everyone | 03:00 |
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| davidqi | morning all | 05:08 |
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| davidqi | hi all, is there a desktop in mer ? | 07:47 |
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| timoph | no | 07:51 |
| timoph | mer is just a base system | 07:51 |
| timoph | you might want to look at nemo, etc. things build on top of it | 07:51 |
| timoph | see https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page#End_Users | 07:52 |
| davidqi | also, what traditional desktop is most easy to port to mer? | 07:52 |
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| kulve | I would like to see xfce project for mer | 07:54 |
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| kulve | but that depends on GTK (3?) and I think that's not in Mer, so there's quite a lot of dependencies missing | 07:55 |
| davidqi | kulve: do you think xfce is easier to port than gnome? | 07:55 |
| kulve | yes. I think gnome includes a lot more packages and therefore would be more work | 07:56 |
| kulve | otoh, if one would like to have gnome, it might be easier to select ubuntu and not mer | 07:57 |
| kulve | same probably goes for xfce too.. | 07:57 |
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| kulve | s,be easier,make more sense, | 08:02 |
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| Stskeeps | kulve: there's a razor-qt at least, and maui project looks very interesting | 08:16 |
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| davidqi | hi stskeeps, could you pls look at my previous question? | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: it really depends on the kind of device you're making | 08:20 |
| davidqi | arm1176 | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | well i meant more like | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | is it a laptop, is a phone, etc | 08:20 |
| davidqi | a low-end phone | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | because then you should really look at having a QML desktop instead | 08:21 |
| davidqi | but at least , it should support package manager | 08:21 |
| davidqi | o, great | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | as in, write a UI yourself, for touch | 08:22 |
| Stskeeps | i can't really help you there but look into QML in general, 'lipstick' framework might be useful for you | 08:22 |
| davidqi | in current mer, what kind of qt components are supported ? | 08:23 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: mer doesn't contain qt components, you build them yourself, but pretty much all of them | 08:23 |
| davidqi | as we know, qml viewer must be there already | 08:23 |
| davidqi | o? why qmlviewer can run without any more actions when I built mer recently? | 08:24 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: so, we support entire qt4 but it doesn't include QML components (a set of widgets, to illustrate) | 08:24 |
| kulve | davidqi: I believe Qt is there. "qt-components" is some specific package | 08:24 |
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| davidqi | o , that is why my qt5-qmake can not work well on mer sdk :) | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | davidqi: do you have working OpenGL ES2 on your board? | 08:26 |
| davidqi | Stskeeps: what is the current qt version? 4.8? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | there's both, 4.8 and 5.0.0-beta1 i think | 08:26 |
| davidqi | no | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | 5.0.0 final is coming | 08:27 |
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| Stskeeps | because for 5.0.0 you would have to use opengl es2 for QtQuick2 | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | for QtQuick1 not so much | 08:27 |
| davidqi | but when I qt5-qmake & make an example of qt5, it can not run on mer | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | it should be able to | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | if you cross compiled it | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | anyhow, i got to work a bit | 08:28 |
| davidqi | sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R qmake & make | 08:28 |
| davidqi | at that time, my qmake is "qt5-qmake" | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | the & make may be a problem | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | you need to do it on two seperate lines | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | and not -m sdk-install -R :) | 08:29 |
| davidqi | I replace the qmlviewer under the desktop with the new example, but screen is black and blank | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | su mer and then export DISPLAY=:0 | 08:29 |
| davidqi | en , make is a separate line, | 08:29 |
| Stskeeps | and then try to run your binary | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | i guess | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | with qmlviewer still intact | 08:30 |
| Stskeeps | got to go | 08:30 |
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| davidqi | OK, I will try, thansk Stskeeps and Kulves and timoph. | 08:33 |
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| davidqi | and also, I 've ever mentioned my experience in this channel two days ago | 08:33 |
| davidqi | reagarding mer sdk upgrading, if I do not do the upgrading, the mer sdk will be able to build a rootfs which can run on QEMU smoothly | 08:34 |
| davidqi | hope you gurus can take a look at that if it is valuable | 08:35 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: something went wrong in release creation? | 08:48 |
| Sage | lbt: https://github.com/mer-tools/sdk-setup/pull/1 | 08:48 |
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| lbt | I'm going to upgrade obs on mer community OBS - potential downtime | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:36 |
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| yunta | lbt: any news about mer:tools process btw? | 10:13 |
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| CosmoHill | morning | 10:19 |
| yunta | yes | 10:20 |
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| sledges | COBS downtime yes :{ | 10:34 |
| lbt | yeah - and it foobar'ed | 10:35 |
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| CosmoHill | sledges: i told you not to leave your drink on top of the server | 10:35 |
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| lbt | ok - cobs should be back - may be more interruptions | 10:49 |
| sledges | lbt, mind sharing which beer got spilled over? | 10:50 |
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| lbt | I'll hit merci soon | 11:17 |
| lbt | release is done btw | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:18 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: for the Mer SDK VM (only) I'm proposing to use a Mer bg image as a splash-screen and then add logos from key contributors who ask. Currently that's Sailfish and I hope Digia | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | mm, only if those logos are redistributable, which im not sure they are | 11:53 |
| yunta | can't we have each vendor glue their logo on the generic mer splash? | 11:54 |
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| lbt | yunta: I would like Mer's VM to have contributor logos on it - it's good to see and recognise contributions | 11:55 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i think there's a legal problem in that, but i do agree on your point | 11:56 |
| lbt | the vendors may have to provide suitable logos - but that becomes their issue (if they want to do it) | 11:56 |
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| lbt | just starting the mer side of the conversation | 11:57 |
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| yunta | ah, you really mean mer-sdk-vm, not vendorized-mer-sdk-vm | 12:00 |
| yunta | cool | 12:00 |
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| lbt | yunta: yes | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't want to include any artwork i can't redistribute, is my opinion | 12:00 |
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| lbt | agreed | 12:00 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm OK with "contributions by" text | 12:00 |
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| lbt | and it may be that a logo that includes the text "contributions by" would work on both sides | 12:01 |
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| yunta | "significant contributors (as decided by mer board) may provide CC BY licensed logos with full indemnification document, for inclusion in mer-related materials" | 12:04 |
| lbt | yunta - also CC BY-ND I'd think and | 12:06 |
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| yunta | right | 12:14 |
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| yunta | and then we create indemnification document stating that signing party gives mer (and it's contributors (and users?)) full rights to use logo and related trademarks in all mer-related materials and products | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that sounds like a bad path to go down.. :P | 12:19 |
| yunta | complex | 12:19 |
| lbt | cc by-nd is that document | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw, by-nd even says you can't build upon it | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:20 |
| lbt | correct | 12:20 |
| yunta | oh, it gives that, cool | 12:20 |
| yunta | I expected it doesn't cover trademarks and such | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | either way: i don't want to include logos or artwork we can't redistribute, or anybody can't redistribute | 12:21 |
| Bostik | had to look up CC licenses, 'ND' is "no derivatives" which for corporate sponsors is what they should want | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:21 |
| yunta | Stskeeps: that's why cc by-nd, you can redistribute it then, as long as it's still mer | 12:21 |
| lbt | so if the image has the text "contributions from" in it then I think that's reasonable | 12:21 |
| Bostik | basically: "we're giving this logo for free distribution in the understanding that it won't be mashed up with goatse and tubgirl" | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: without the logos, right | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | just names of companies | 12:21 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: actually I meant the png image | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, visualize it in words for me how it'd look like? | 12:22 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:22 |
| lbt | <div><small>contributions from</small> <img src="Sailfish logo"/></div> | 12:23 |
| Bostik | :P | 12:23 |
| lbt | render that to a .png and cc by-nd it | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i don't think that's a terribly good idea. there's always a lot of legal madness around logo usage - i can agree to contributions from: <names of companies, entities, etc> | 12:25 |
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| * lbt looks at the "Mer is pragmatic" part of the mission... | 12:26 | |
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| Stskeeps | i don't really want to include something in that you can't modify or build upon | 12:28 |
| lbt | well, I'd agree for code - but for logos that go to show participation then I'd accept it | 12:30 |
| yunta | I'm with lbt on that one, mainly because it doesn't make any sense to modify or build upon a logo :D | 12:30 |
| * lbt looks at android robot logo | 12:30 | |
| lbt | synonymous but discrete - clever | 12:31 |
| Stskeeps | android logo has a open license | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | either way: i don't want to add something in mer that is impossible legally for the next person in line to modify and that's my opinion on it | 12:34 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps, any clues what might cause this stack overflow on Pandaboard when launching flickr-qml from within lipstick: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/Omap4/Pandaboard#Progress ? | 13:10 |
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| Bostik | infinite recursion in DRI path? yikes | 13:13 |
| sledges | 8} where to look next, kernel's DRI? | 13:13 |
| Bostik | I'd start by looking at the omap_dri2.c file, that complete/dispatch bingo looks like a handler ends up calling itself (hence, infinite recursion) | 13:15 |
| sledges | yes, exactly what's on my screen now | 13:16 |
| sledges | and that's because if (cmd->type != DRI2_FLIP_COMPLETE) is always true | 13:16 |
| sledges | and/or if (!pPriv->pThirdBuffer) { | 13:16 |
| Bostik | where's the tree I can clone? :) | 13:17 |
| Bostik | because I'd dive next into all the places cmd->type is set | 13:17 |
| sledges | I'm running https://api.pub.meego.com/public/source/home:sage:branches:CE:Adaptation:PandaBoard/xorg-x11-drv-omap/xf86-video-omap-0.4.0.tar.gz?rev=6ae2340e23d9dcee4df259330b41c0a6& | 13:17 |
| sledges | I still think this all will be result of symptoms, not the cause.. as the same code works fine on Nokia devices - with *NOK* etc GLES extensions | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | guess why we want to move to wayland.. | 13:19 |
| * sledges fires up some breakpoints | 13:21 | |
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| Bostik | sledges: I'm pretty sure it's not pPriv->pThirdBuffer case; triggering that one should produce a trivial infinite recursion (SwapComplete calling SwapComplete calling SwapComplete ...) | 13:31 |
| Bostik | the oscillation between two functions points me towards the other case | 13:31 |
| sledges | k | 13:31 |
| sledges | I'm debugging it now | 13:31 |
| sledges | tell me which vars you want :D | 13:31 |
| Bostik | cmd->type when entering SwapDispatch() to start with, just to eliminate doubt | 13:34 |
| sledges | (gdb) pcmd->type | 13:35 |
| sledges | $4 = 2 | 13:35 |
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| Bostik | FLIP_COMPLETE | 13:35 |
| sledges | is weird - as I 's' through execution, it constantly resets to the beginning of function (new call interrupting?) | 13:36 |
| sledges | it keeps hitting that breakpoint | 13:37 |
| sledges | will disable it for now | 13:37 |
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| Bostik | gah, that code makes my head hurt | 13:39 |
| sledges | Bostik, it does not crash when slowed down | 13:42 |
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| sledges | means something is not waiting long enough | 13:42 |
| CosmoHill | i duno why I don't use linux on my mac, might as well | 13:43 |
| sledges | e.g. if I strace -p `pgrep mcompositor`, everything slows down and the crash does not occur | 13:43 |
| CosmoHill | if I want to update something I need to download libs, install them then install the thing I really wanted in the first place | 13:43 |
| sledges | now I stepped through breakpoints, and then let it go - did not crash | 13:44 |
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| Bostik | sledges: just an idle guess, but could it be related to vsync? | 13:56 |
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| sledges | dunno, Bostik, but I will try updating to latest xorg-omap (0.4.2 instead of current 0.4.0) as there were some changes to that file | 14:02 |
| sledges | looking at log now | 14:02 |
| sledges | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-omap/log/src/omap_dri2.c | 14:03 |
| sledges | can be this one http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/driver/xf86-video-omap/commit/src/omap_dri2.c?id=8bb109f8b021a93cdabc44cd16777201ad3690cd | 14:04 |
| Bostik | I'll be off for the next few hours, babysitting... | 14:04 |
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| sledges | enjoy... | 14:04 |
| sledges | :) | 14:04 |
| sledges | but I think I got to the bottom of this, fingers crosse(compile)d | 14:05 |
| sledges | thanks for being my wingman :) | 14:05 |
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| sledges | lbt, so nice the updated COBS finally does not spit red HTML code when changing Repo build/publish flags on Chromium ;) ta! | 14:14 |
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| sledges | how can I ask COBS to build with -O0 instead of -O2? | 15:01 |
| sledges | injecting it into Makefile.am (AM_FLAGS = ... -O0) does not get picked up | 15:01 |
| sledges | *AM_CFLAGS | 15:02 |
| lbt | you need that to be in the spec file | 15:03 |
| lbt | see maximum-rpm for how the build macro works | 15:04 |
| Bostik | you can try similar to what we have in qtwebkit spec | 15:04 |
| sledges | lol # XXX: Remove debug symbols entirely, we're running out of linker memory! | 15:04 |
| sledges | export CFLAGS="`echo $CFLAGS | sed 's/ -g //g'`" | 15:04 |
| sledges | working by example was always my favourite :) thanks Bostik | 15:05 |
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| sledges | hmm did not get picked up | 15:09 |
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| sledges | hmmmmmm it -did- get picked up, my apologies :) thanks again!! | 15:13 |
| sledges | how's babysitting? ;D | 15:13 |
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| sledges | Bostik, Pandaboard is now under Mer/Nemo possession ;) all works! Thanks to Rob Clark: http://www.hastebin.com/notadehohi.coffee | 15:25 |
| sledges | he happened to be around at #pandaboard and helped me out | 15:26 |
| dm8tbr | rob is a good guy :) | 15:27 |
| Bostik | baby refuses to sit down | 15:28 |
| sledges | yowzer | 15:28 |
| sledges | more guys like him and the world will be a better place :) | 15:28 |
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| kulve | rcg: looks like mtdev and xorg-x11-drv-mtev | 15:40 |
| kulve | are now part of mer core, so I guess they can be removed from our :common | 15:41 |
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| kulve | rcg: maybe we need to add systemd-console-ttyGS0 as well (fork from systemd-console-ttyS0) | 15:44 |
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| rcg | kulve, great :) | 15:48 |
| rcg | ttygs0? | 15:48 |
| kulve | that's the serial provided via g_multi | 15:48 |
| kulve | ubuntu has a login there and by forking that package, we could have too. Just need to load g_multi automatically | 15:49 |
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| kulve | is it possible to have X.Org launching to a wrong tty or something? Everything seems to be running but I see just the text console.. | 16:15 |
| sledges | see Xorg options | 16:17 |
| sledges | should read vt1 | 16:17 |
| sledges | ps ax | grep Xorg | 16:17 |
| kulve | I think it is the vt1. I can't check now as I can't access the device.. | 16:17 |
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| kulve | b.m.o broken? Or still being upgraded? "connect to cbe-vlan110:5252: Connection refused" | 16:24 |
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| kulve | rcg: That GS0 package comes from systemd. I just forked it and will add it | 16:24 |
| kulve | rcg: how to make g_multi load automatically? "modprobe g_multi" to a start-up script? | 16:25 |
| sledges | open fine for me: https://build.merproject.org | 16:25 |
| sledges | *opens | 16:25 |
| kulve | sledges: https://build.merproject.org/monitor | 16:25 |
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| kulve | I get the same error with "osc build" | 16:25 |
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| sledges | yup, same here, bmo borked lbt ;) | 16:26 |
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| rcg | kulve, add to a file in /etc | 16:27 |
| rcg | just a sec | 16:27 |
| lbt | :/ | 16:27 |
| rcg | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9-pvr.spec&package=kernel-adaptation-archos-gen9-pvr&project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras%3AAdaptation%3AArchos-gen9%3Apvr&rev=9a2aed0a5cb84e8dcff1c2c0ee194147 | 16:28 |
| rcg | kulve, have a look at MODULES_LOAD_DIR there | 16:28 |
| lbt | sledges: what error | 16:28 |
| sledges | kulve's reported one: "connect to cbe-vlan110:5252: Connection refused" | 16:29 |
| rcg | and the "echo"s to files in that dir for the different modules for autoloading | 16:29 |
| sledges | same for me | 16:29 |
| lbt | yeah - I need better error reports guys | 16:29 |
| lbt | like what you type to get it! | 16:29 |
| sledges | kulve, please enlighten what you get with "osc build" :) | 16:30 |
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| sledges | (was it an answer within the question? ;)) | 16:31 |
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| kulve | isn't that url enough? | 16:38 |
| kulve | it's broken | 16:38 |
| kulve | the other thing that gets the same error is "osc build --no-verify latest_armv7hl armv8el *.spec" | 16:39 |
| kulve | lbt: ^ | 16:39 |
| kulve | rcg: great. Do you have any objections, why g_multi shouldn't be loaded always? | 16:41 |
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| xardas008 | hi, has anyone tried to install mer on a samsung galaxy tab 2? | 18:13 |
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| xardas008 | or a similar device with a qualcomm snapdragon s4 plus msm8960 or similar? | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | only snapdragon s3, hp touchpad | 18:39 |
| xardas008 | so s4 won't work at the moment? Or just not tested? | 18:41 |
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| Stskeeps | didn't test, but you need to lift a lot of weight with hw adaptation | 18:41 |
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| xardas008 | hm, i think I will hava a look at how to install plasma active 3 on an micro sd hc and try to boot from it, so I won't damage anything and see what needs to be done | 18:48 |
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| slaine | Sigh, third times the charm | 19:15 |
| slaine | of course if it had worked on the third time, I'd have been home by now | 19:15 |
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| Jake9xx | xardas008: or do adb backup first | 20:41 |
| xardas008 | Jake9xx: i want to keep android and install plasma active next to it | 20:43 |
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| kulve | b.m.o still broken.. | 20:51 |
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| vgrade | kulve: Stskeeps http://thebugfreeblog.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/custom-qml-component-for-rendering.html | 23:01 |
| lbt | "Code will be available when I'll find the time to clean it up" ... pfft ... | 23:04 |
| lbt | general comment: I'm going to do a new release of Mer:Tools "RSN" ... look at http://www.merproject.org/Mer_Tools_Status.txt for details. If you want any changes then please say ASAP | 23:07 |
| vgrade | lbt: happy new years | 23:09 |
| lbt | vgrade: same to you matey :) | 23:09 |
| lbt | how's things? | 23:09 |
| vgrade | not bad | 23:10 |
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| vgrade | that time of year | 23:10 |
| vgrade | to get organised | 23:10 |
| vgrade | for next year | 23:11 |
| lbt | *g* | 23:12 |
| lbt | I'm thinking about FOSDEM | 23:13 |
| lbt | and trying to sort out Mer's SDK area | 23:13 |
| lbt | and getting some personal projects done maybe | 23:13 |
| vgrade | FOSDEM would be good, jolla, mer, lima, flying squirrel, active | 23:15 |
| vgrade | I need a new sdk on a new f17 install | 23:15 |
| lbt | rolling release is pretty good | 23:16 |
| vgrade | also tried quickstart.rb tonight | 23:18 |
| lbt | ? | 23:18 |
| lbt | don't recall that | 23:18 |
| vgrade | https://github.com/jmettraux/ruote | 23:19 |
| lbt | ah | 23:20 |
| lbt | good | 23:20 |
| vgrade | our jenkins CI at work is ok but it still needs a lot of scripting | 23:22 |
| lbt | yep - boss would be fine wrapped around it | 23:24 |
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