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| situ | Morning all | 03:56 |
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| chriadam | good morning | 04:00 |
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| situ | chriadam: Came early in office today ? | 04:03 |
| chriadam | i'm in GMT+10 tz, so I've been here for a while :-) | 04:03 |
| situ | In Hongkong ? | 04:04 |
| chriadam | Brisbane, Australia | 04:04 |
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| situ | Allright. | 04:04 |
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| zhxt | situ: Hongkong is GTM+8 :P | 04:09 |
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| situ | Yeah, should've googled it first :P | 04:09 |
| zhxt | I'm in GTM+8, but not Hongkong. hehe . | 04:12 |
| jonwil | I am also in GMT+8 and not in Hongkong :) | 04:17 |
| zhxt | jonwil: So, where are u? May I know ? | 04:21 |
| jonwil | WA | 04:21 |
| zhxt | WA? | 04:22 |
| jonwil | Australia :P | 04:22 |
| zhxt | oh. I'm in BJ,CN. hehe | 04:23 |
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| rcg | ∞ | 08:48 |
| Stskeeps | i see the weekend has begun | 08:48 |
| dm8tbr | rcg wins an internt! | 08:48 |
| rcg | yay, one internet for me :) | 08:49 |
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| Jake9xx | Stskeeps: ping on the mer ks | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | Jake9xx: later today | 08:51 |
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| Jake9xx | Stskeeps: no rush, just wanted a reply :) | 08:52 |
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| rcg | btw, was actually waiting for ∞ + 1 jokes :D | 08:57 |
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| dm8tbr | rcg: that would just wrap into -∞ ;) | 09:01 |
| rcg | dm8tbr, lol :D | 09:01 |
| Bostik | aleph ½ | 09:02 |
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| rcg | Bostik, :) | 09:04 |
| Bostik | something to wrap your head around, certainly | 09:09 |
| rcg | i like hilberts hotel :) | 09:10 |
| Bostik | it made me cringe - "..because that problem is already solved" | 09:11 |
| Bostik | as a software engineer and architect, I get massive PHB vibes out of a statement like that | 09:11 |
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| rcg | well, that's the benefit when dealing with theoretic concepts or the downside when being confronted with reality.. which ever way you wanna see it ;) | 09:13 |
| rcg | same thing about proving correctness of software. it assumes that specifications are correct and complete, and most of all, that there is no semantic gap between involved people | 09:13 |
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| rcg | so when trying to apply this irl it all fails in the very beginning when the designated user talks to the software engineer ;) | 09:15 |
| Bostik | rcg: if my memory serves me well, Ada was a language explicitly designed to allow those type of proves; of course it also meant that developing anything complex became an exercise in futility... | 09:15 |
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| rcg | argh.. gotta catch the bus :/ | 09:17 |
| rcg | bbl | 09:17 |
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| kulve | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/EGL_extensions | 09:40 |
| kulve | feel free to add n900/n9/panda there :) | 09:40 |
| kulve | there could be columns for PA/Nemo etc. to tell what extensions they are expecting for full acceleration | 09:41 |
| kulve | and I really should have ordered those before putting up there.. | 09:42 |
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| rcg | re | 09:52 |
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| rcg | Bostik, i heard a lecture about acl2 once, which also aims on providing a language for proving correctness | 09:57 |
| Bostik | oh, hadn't heard of that one yet | 09:58 |
| kulve | rcg: FYI: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/EGL_extensions | 10:02 |
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| rcg | kulve, thx | 10:09 |
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| rcg | kulve, i can add info about omap 4460 later today | 10:19 |
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| kulve | rcg: that would be nice | 10:25 |
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| rcg | btw. if you wanna try, i fixed emumaster such that it works on our version of plasma active :) | 10:26 |
| rcg | it uses opengl extensively for 2d painting | 10:27 |
| rcg | with the snes emulation i get framerates of ~50fps | 10:27 |
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| kulve | rcg: you should start filming youtubes for these experiments :) | 10:29 |
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| rcg | hehe, i might consider this... but you know, there are only so many hours in a day ;) | 10:38 |
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| auri__ | lbt: ping | 10:46 |
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| sledges | Jake9xx, here's the isolated crash case .ks: http://pastie.org/5660881 | 11:23 |
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| sledges | posting here as it's not Nemo (minimal lipstick on top of mer-qmlviewer.ks) | 11:24 |
| kulve | rcg: about the kernel. Should we update to the latest ubuntu kernel? It's based on the latest n7 android kernel + some fixes (and enables the login over usb) | 11:26 |
| rcg | kulve, sure | 11:26 |
| rcg | see no reason why we shouldn't | 11:26 |
| kulve | you had some CIFS and GPS changes, are those needed? | 11:26 |
| rcg | having said something like "what could possibly go wrong" i am prepared for things to break in funny ways but i'd say we go for it | 11:27 |
| rcg | gps nope | 11:27 |
| rcg | cifs is just the according setting in the kernel config | 11:27 |
| kulve | but why? :) | 11:27 |
| rcg | someone mentioned issues connecting to a samba/windows share. i strongly suspect that this was due to missing cifs support in the kernel | 11:28 |
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| kulve | ok, I should add that then | 11:28 |
| kulve | should I just push my kernel to obs or do you want to test it first with PA? | 11:28 |
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| rcg | that gps thing was more or less a crude try to get that to work so i wouldn't include that ;) | 11:29 |
| kulve | I could provide the /lib/modules directory and the zImage for easy test | 11:29 |
| rcg | kulve, nah, just push it and we'll see what happens | 11:29 |
| kulve | ok | 11:29 |
| rcg | it's highly experimental anyhow | 11:29 |
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| rcg | kulve, i can try it then tonight when i'm back home | 11:31 |
| kulve | ok | 11:33 |
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| kulve | rcg: you have a patch there for "Fix-g_multi-USB-gadget-support" and ubuntu's latest kernel provides the serial over usb using the gadget. Will that conflict with the kexec stuff or something? | 11:53 |
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| rcg | kulve, don't know | 11:55 |
| rcg | just give it a try | 11:56 |
| rcg | i can test tonight | 11:56 |
| rcg | if everything is built as module it _shouldn't_ conflict | 11:56 |
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| CosmoHill | woof | 11:57 |
| kulve | I don't push that anywhere yet. I'll give you the zImage and the /lib/modules directory. I don't want to break the kexec stuff too much | 11:58 |
| rcg | kulve, alright | 12:01 |
| rcg | kulve, one idea: could you branch the kernel and the moslo and push your changes to the kernel? | 12:01 |
| rcg | branch on obs, that is | 12:01 |
| rcg | this way we get readily usable images and if everything works we simply file a sr of the branch back to our "upstream" | 12:01 |
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| sledges | hmmmm newer pvr-omap4 pulls in wayland dependency, and execution tries to pick it up (with Xorg running): PVR:(Warning): LoadWSModule: Window system module libpvrws_WAYLAND.so did not validate native display [98, /generic_ws.c] | 12:28 |
| sledges | hope nothing major, still I loose any output on screen (drmOpen failed [120, /pvr_bridge_u.c]) because omapdrm_pvr.ko has been dropped from newer pvr-omap4... | 12:30 |
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| rcg | meh.. pvr-omap :/ | 12:37 |
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| sledges | :} | 12:46 |
| sledges | and pandaboard was supposed to be called a development board | 12:47 |
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| kulve | rcg: actually I think your fixes and config related to this usb gadget mode could be perfect as that should provide serial AND ethernet AND mass storage? I got that compiled, will push to branched obs later | 13:16 |
| rcg | kulve, yep they provide both at the same time :) | 13:16 |
| rcg | that's what you can do actually already now with the moslo | 13:17 |
| rcg | ah, dunno about serial though | 13:17 |
| rcg | i just used storage and network so far | 13:17 |
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| yunta | shit, virtualbox also failed to build :( | 13:25 |
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| rcg | kulve, it's just pretty sad that the umts/hspa chip seems to have very bad support for linux :/ | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | what chip is it? | 13:38 |
| rcg | http://ruedigergad.com/2013/01/09/wanted-nexus-7-3g-linux-driver/ | 13:38 |
| rcg | XMM6260 aka X-GOLD 626 | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | that has an open source RIL | 13:39 |
| rcg | the tizen guys seem to have a bit of code that looks like a kernel module | 13:39 |
| rcg | oh really? | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:39 |
| rcg | cool | 13:39 |
| rcg | any hints on how i could use that? | 13:39 |
| rcg | i mean pointer to a howto or something | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.google.dk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=XMM6260+ril&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&ved=0CFUQFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.omappedia.org%2Fwiki%2FInfineon_Modems&ei=m8TuUJa0NcjPsgbDs4GQDw&usg=AFQjCNGf3VEHQo1H3B6nH8gAIyFguhTmDA&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.Yms | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 13:39 |
| kulve | rcg: if you mean the kernel side, shouldn't that be open allways and available in the google site.. Only the user space stuff could be closed.. | 13:39 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.omappedia.org/wiki/Infineon_Modems | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | ofono should really support infineon modems | 13:40 |
| rcg | Stskeeps, great :) | 13:40 |
| rcg | thanks for that link | 13:40 |
| rcg | :) | 13:40 |
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| kulve | rcg: that kexec patch doesn't apply to the latest kernel.. | 14:25 |
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| kulve | nm, trivial to fix manually | 14:34 |
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| kulve | rcg: local build of kernel succeeded. It do now have your gadget settings and the patches (at least it should). I guess we could be bold and just upgrade.. | 14:49 |
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| CosmoHill | hello | 14:50 |
| sledges | hoyla | 14:51 |
| CosmoHill | how are you? | 14:51 |
| sledges | I am all right, and you? | 14:52 |
| CosmoHill | lack motivation | 14:52 |
| sledges | to how much MeeGo and opensource is awesome, I never lack motivation there | 14:52 |
| sledges | in the sh**tiest times one can still find the faulting source code line :) | 14:53 |
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| CosmoHill | thanks sleg | 15:13 |
| CosmoHill | sledges*, feeling a bit better, working on a site now | 15:13 |
| sledges | keep up the good work :) | 15:13 |
| sledges | on site or on a site? :)) | 15:14 |
| yunta | lbt: r u t? | 15:17 |
| lbt | yup | 15:17 |
| yunta | lbt: http://review.merproject.org/#change,1052 | 15:17 |
| yunta | what do I do now to make sure it progresses | 15:17 |
| yunta | i.e. is not going to be forgotten | 15:18 |
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| lbt | won't be forgotten, Mer Core has a better task stack than Tools | 15:19 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: can look at it - minor enough that it may get into next release | 15:19 |
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| yunta | awesome | 15:20 |
| yunta | thx | 15:20 |
| CosmoHill | sledges: on a website | 15:21 |
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| CosmoHill | it looks ugly but the layout / structure is there | 15:21 |
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| CosmoHill | now to learn a framework >.< | 15:22 |
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| yunta | which framework? | 15:23 |
| CosmoHill | yii | 15:23 |
| * sledges 's mind is read by yunta | 15:23 | |
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| rcg | kulve, would be fine for me | 15:27 |
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| alterego | lbt: ping :) | 15:31 |
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| lbt | hey alterego - bit busy with rails update atm | 15:32 |
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| lbt | I can try to timeslice you :) | 15:33 |
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| alterego | Heh | 15:48 |
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| lbt | alterego: ok, some building happening - what did you need | 15:53 |
| lbt | sb2 issue? | 15:53 |
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| alterego | yup | 16:00 |
| lbt | remind me | 16:02 |
| alterego | ang up | 16:02 |
| alterego | sb2 zypper up or in segfaults | 16:06 |
| alterego | sb2 zypper search works, but it wont install anything. | 16:07 |
| Stskeeps | you should use -m sdk-install -R for zypper installations of any kind | 16:08 |
| lbt | oh yes | 16:08 |
| lbt | and clean up the __db files and rpm --rebuild | 16:09 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: I know, still does it. Deleted the db files and rebuilt, same issue | 16:15 |
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| CosmoHill | anyone used the yii framework? | 16:39 |
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| sledges | yes, the guys at #yii did :) | 16:41 |
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| jayrulez | I used Yii before | 17:11 |
| jayrulez | CosmoHill | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | hi jayrulez, cool | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | I've just finished watching the screencasts | 17:12 |
| jayrulez | Ok. I never watched them. | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | I'm making a website for a hockey club with yii | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | i know nothing about yii or hockey | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | *ice hockey | 17:13 |
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| sledges | where are -debugsource/info packages for xorg-x11-server ? | 17:33 |
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| sledges | more precise: I need libX11-debugsource package | 17:50 |
| jayrulez | The docs are pretty straight forward and you can look into open source projects that use it. CosmoHill | 17:51 |
| CosmoHill | thanks | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: /etc/zypp/repos.d/mer-core.repo | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | enable the debuginfo | 17:51 |
| sledges | \o/ | 17:51 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, added debuginfo=1, did `zypper ref -f mer-core`, but still gives me only libX11 and -devel | 17:54 |
| rcg | kulve, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/EGL_extensions#Non-standard_EGL_extensions | 17:54 |
| rcg | omap4 supports astonishingly few extensions | 17:54 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: mer-core-debuginfo | 17:55 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: please do full mer release | 18:00 |
| lbt | did ssh change make it ? | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | no, this is so i can merge some things and do a release quickly after | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | just to get it out the door as a stable point | 18:01 |
| lbt | OK - give me a bit | 18:01 |
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| Stskeeps | lo merlin1991 | 18:02 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: X-Fade need to add qareports to mer DNS | 18:02 |
| lbt | CNAME phost11 | 18:03 |
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| Stskeeps | er.. isn't the zone on airy? | 18:03 |
| lbt | not really | 18:04 |
| lbt | it's on the migrated apps4meego thingy | 18:04 |
| alterego | lbt: so got any other ideas? :) | 18:04 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: eh | 18:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:05 |
| lbt | alterego: no, sorry | 18:05 |
| alterego | I would really like to have mer sdk running on my laptop ^.^ | 18:05 |
| lbt | alterego: yeah. I'll get to it next week | 18:05 |
| lbt | really sorry | 18:05 |
| alterego | It's cool :) | 18:05 |
| sledges | Stskeeps, got it, just replaced /packages with /debug in the repo URI | 18:05 |
| sledges | heaps thanks | 18:05 |
| alterego | I'll have a poke around myself and see what I can do :) | 18:05 |
| lbt | 99% sure it's the sb2 lua rules | 18:06 |
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| lbt | I think the new zypper has some new utils which need to be id'ed and included | 18:06 |
| lbt | the -next SDK has (I think) gone to non-accel for rpm | 18:06 |
| lbt | I don't know if that was released to -next/rolling | 18:07 |
| lbt | or just git | 18:07 |
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| lbt | 11.4 suse is getting v.old | 18:15 |
| lbt | why does my machine have to have screwed up DNS noq? | 18:24 |
| lbt | now? | 18:24 |
| alterego | hmm | 18:26 |
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| lbt | nsswitch.conf is messed up :/ | 18:35 |
| lbt | so my obs machine creation script is wonky | 18:35 |
| lbt | just grrrr | 18:35 |
| ka6sox-away | lbt, sounds like my day...everything I touch turns to mush. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | at least it's not monday | 18:44 |
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| ka6sox-away | Stskeeps, thats the *only* good thing about today...so far | 18:47 |
| lbt | ka6sox-away: yup | 18:48 |
| lbt | now my radiator valve just broke :/ | 18:48 |
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| kulve | rcg: thanks for the egl extension update. Maybe somebody with n9(50) could do the same? :) | 18:50 |
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| alterego | lbt, at least your coffee machine still works :) | 18:51 |
| alterego | Someone killed mine -_- | 18:52 |
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| lbt | alterego: just take it apart and fiddle | 19:08 |
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| alterego | lbt: Not really sure where to start :/ | 19:17 |
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| merlin1991 | lo Stskeeps :D | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | merlin1991: how is it going? | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | okish :) | 21:01 |
| merlin1991 | whatabout you? | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | i'm good - visiting helsinki but going home tomorrow | 21:03 |
| mikhas | home is where my phone is? | 21:04 |
| CosmoHill | don't talk to me about phones | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: then you're in the wrong place | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | i mean home phones | 21:05 |
| CosmoHill | I was on the phone to tech support and the guy was saying none of my phone sockets should work depsite me phoning from one | 21:06 |
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| rcg | did cobs@meego just die? | 22:39 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 22:39 |
| rcg | alright, now it was the university vpn that was funky :/ | 22:44 |
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