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caro | anyone messed w these ubercheap mkt6575 based chinese phones. any successful mer flashes? | 00:21 |
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caro | alternately, anyone soldered more RAm into a n900 successfully? | 00:21 |
caro | Ubuntu already has nightly builds of ROMs for recent google/samsung hardware at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-preinstalled/current/ - saw that 3.3 kernel rolled in some amt of android changes. im wondering how differne tit is now | 00:23 |
caro | in short, this N900 is long-in-the-tooth, has bad EMMC blocks or something, a cracked screen, a flaky USB connector, and too few RAMs, and i want t be sure my next Hardware purchase runs Mer before pulling the trigger | 00:25 |
caro | its looking like just getting most common nexus hardware is the way to go, since other distrii will adapt whatever ubuntu did kernel/udev wise (if they even needed to post 3.3) | 00:25 |
caro | http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mtk6575 seems like the common generic-as-f**k arm mainland sht now | 00:27 |
caro | no point witing for tizen hw, esp if its html5-apps only... | 00:28 |
yunta | I'll wait for jolla phone.... | 00:32 |
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caro | even Ubuntu is only talking 2014 "maybe" for hardware | 00:34 |
caro | yet.. it already runs on google nexus | 00:34 |
caro | yet theres millions of perfectly android-kernel capable cheap china phones on ebay/alibaba/taobao today | 00:34 |
caro | so. im not really interseted in waitinf ro a few ex-engineers with no market clout to hopefully get hardwar eout htere | 00:34 |
caro | esp after waiting years for n950 vaporware, and seeing Elopification of Nokia, and Tizen, Meego, OpenWebOS and all sorts of other fragmented vaporware | 00:35 |
caro | so i guess i'll just buy one of these cheapass things. suspet cyanogenmod can trivially run a Debian chrot | 00:35 |
caro | im afraid of bricking it mainly. i defintiely want to get mer going on it if it hasnt been done already | 00:36 |
caro | but forums are jjust full of bricking chat. n900 is basiclaly unbrickable | 00:36 |
caro | so, if anones boughta bunch of mtk6577 and similar phones, and found a particularly unbrickable one, i'm all ears | 00:36 |
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caro | nor do i care about non HTML5 UIs. hard to get intersted in QT | 00:52 |
caro | so theres absolutely no reason to wait for Jolla, and they couldnt possibly have anything to do wiht commoditization of vanila-linux/mer -capable hw as such a bit player | 00:52 |
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caro | anyways, things are shaping up nicely with vanilla/android kernel mergers, ubuntu already running on android kernel, and bottom falling out on cheap android devices | 00:53 |
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yunta | bleah, android, .. | 00:53 |
caro | i'll take whatever drivers/kernel i can get at this poitn | 00:54 |
caro | 2.6.28 is a bit long in the tooth, and my hardware is failing :) | 00:54 |
caro | GMA500 was such an unmitigated nightmare on linux, that i have basically 0 interest in waiting for stuff to be in vainlla. more interested in patching distrii to work on android's kernel | 00:54 |
caro | with whatever proprietary drivers mfr's had to ship | 00:54 |
caro | unless RMS's magical laptop is still in production, and theres a 5-7" tablet version | 00:55 |
yunta | very well, just don't tell me I didn't warn you, when you see the jolla phone out | 00:55 |
* caro will wait a bit | 00:55 | |
caro | im sure it will be like 399$ or something | 00:55 |
caro | and be a PITA to remove QT from | 00:55 |
caro | firefoxOS is basically waht i want | 00:56 |
ShadowJK | I wonder if the cheap androids have basically blob-only kernels | 00:56 |
caro | its rife with GPL violations, tomfoolery, cyanogenmod trickery, and HALP messages on xda-developres forum | 00:56 |
yunta | well, I don't know about price, but it will be mer-based so should be relatively easy to put whatever toolkit you want on it | 00:56 |
caro | NemoMobile seemed really slick | 00:57 |
ShadowJK | I assumed firefoxos is like tizen.. especially since they have it also running inside desktop Firefox? | 00:57 |
caro | yeah, jlla/tozen/ffox are all talking HTML5 "Apps" | 00:58 |
caro | misc committees and W3 groups are trying to sort of standardize it, before an ecosystem even exists | 00:58 |
caro | once firefox launches on N900 it is fine, speedwise, until RAM runs out, which is pretty quick ;) | 00:58 |
caro | one thing i did was replace /brower-daemon (preloaded microb (firefox)) instance with a 'sleep 86400' script which saves 80 MB of ram | 00:59 |
caro | maemo has a proprietary watchdog that starts restarting stuff yo try to kill.. and if you kill teh watchdog it reboots | 00:59 |
ShadowJK | It's pretty trivial to disable it | 01:00 |
caro | chromium in a debian chrot stopped running | 01:00 |
caro | with no informative errors as to why | 01:00 |
caro | it was some realy old -esr bui;ld of like -r465 of chromium from 2010 in sarge/squeeze or sometihng that ran | 01:00 |
caro | i cant even find it anymroe | 01:00 |
ShadowJK | I never tried chromium, but if in did I'd go find the native un-chroot build | 01:01 |
caro | the main problem si | 01:01 |
caro | a plugin "ChromeTouch" or similar for touchscreen to work correctly is required | 01:01 |
caro | and, JS has to be enabled, per-page for that plugin to load | 01:01 |
caro | and JS running willy-nilly on an old ARM is just not good | 01:01 |
caro | so i use firefox/noscript | 01:02 |
caro | in a chroot, which will work until Jolla phone is out i guess | 01:02 |
ShadowJK | Browserd doesn't lock any of itself in ram, so killing it/replacing it mostly has the effect of disabling the SMS and Maps (which are essentially HTML apps) | 01:02 |
CosmoHill | night night | 01:02 |
caro | yeah. i just replced it with a script that slept forever, and reboted.. | 01:03 |
caro | tracker was easy enuf to kill also | 01:03 |
caro | lots of DBus type crap left though | 01:03 |
caro | and pulseaudio | 01:03 |
* ShadowJK booted Linux inside JavaScript qemu inside browserd on N900 ;P | 01:03 | |
caro | i really want a "suckless" distro | 01:03 |
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caro | Lennart may be a nice guy, but i dont want his 100s of daemons and wonky DoEverythingKits | 01:03 |
caro | at least on 256mb of RAM | 01:04 |
caro | dmix/dsnoop/aloop for audio routing | 01:04 |
caro | chromium on x, no Gnome/GTK crap | 01:04 |
ShadowJK | You didn't want/try kill ohmd? :P | 01:04 |
caro | some ridiculously stupid JS script to control headless ekiga for voip/ | 01:04 |
caro | and im good | 01:05 |
caro | eveyrthing else can be in browser | 01:05 |
M4rtinK | I met Lennart in person once :) | 01:05 |
M4rtinK | looked like a normal guy :) | 01:05 |
M4rtinK | didn't spoke with him though | 01:05 |
ShadowJK | caro: I think you'll appreciate: http://i.imgur.com/SAp0D.png | 01:06 |
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caro | hahhaa | 01:07 |
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caro | http://www.theverge.com/users/microlith | 01:14 |
caro | some decent mer comments | 01:14 |
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davidqi | morning all | 01:57 |
davidqi | I am following 'platform and sb2': https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2#Create_a_simple_C_program | 01:58 |
davidqi | but in the section: Compile the simple C program, when I run:sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R zypper in glibc-devel | 01:58 |
davidqi | I got results: | 01:59 |
davidqi | Loading repository data... | 01:59 |
davidqi | Exit reason and status: signal 11 (core dumped) | 01:59 |
davidqi | have you guys ever met this ? | 01:59 |
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chriadam | davidqi: try just: sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R | 02:03 |
chriadam | that'll drop you to a root sb2 prompt | 02:03 |
chriadam | then try running zypper in glibc-devel, and see if it gives you a more informative error | 02:03 |
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chriadam | most likely, something which zypper depends on is broken in your chroot (perhaps /var/run or one of the rpm db locks) | 02:03 |
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davidqi | chriadam: just follow your guides, then results: Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 02:07 |
davidqi | chriadam: do you mean, I should unlock rpm db, or /var/run? | 02:09 |
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chriadam | davidqi: no, I just meant that zypper depends on certain things, and that it is possible that one of the things it needs is broken. I don't know what might be broken, a segfault could be anything | 02:09 |
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davidqi | chriadam: do you know where to find the rootcause ? | 02:26 |
chriadam | no | 02:27 |
chriadam | you can try rebuilding the rpm db | 02:27 |
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davidqi | chriadam: when I run: sb2 -t mer-core -m sdk-install -R rpm --rebuilddb, there is no any result showed. is this normal ? | 02:34 |
chriadam | did you do it in one step, from within the mer sdk chroot, or in two steps? | 02:35 |
chriadam | i don't know what information gets hoisted out of the scratchbox environment to be displayed in the mer sdk chroot, is all | 02:36 |
chriadam | in short, I would expect _some_ output, if you ran it within the sb2 prompt | 02:36 |
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davidqi | same results! one step and two steps | 02:39 |
davidqi | there is no results, just back to prompt --- mer sdk prompt, or sb2 | 02:39 |
chriadam | hrm. | 02:41 |
chriadam | maybe it just silently succeeds. in that case, it seems the zypper problem is unrelated to rpm. | 02:41 |
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davidqi | hope so, but it is very strange, for example, I run "rpm -a" , but nothing seems happened | 02:42 |
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davidqi | lbt: could you please see my problem also ? | 02:47 |
davidqi | I am really confused, I think I am strictly following the guides in https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK_and_SB2, but zypper in glibc-devel could not complete correctly. | 02:48 |
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iekku | morning | 04:00 |
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andre__ | Good morning :) | 04:05 |
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lpotter | oohh... connman 1.10 released. good thing too, as my hack needs that | 05:02 |
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situ | Morning all | 06:56 |
chriadam | gmorning situ | 07:00 |
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Stskeeps | good morning all | 08:19 |
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Bostik | ywaning | 08:21 |
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niqt | morning Stskeeps | 08:27 |
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davidqi | morning stskeeps | 08:28 |
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pcat | hi, does anybody know the cure for this? http://sprunge.us/YjWT | 09:33 |
Stskeeps | show me the .ks/ | 09:33 |
pcat | here it goes http://sprunge.us/ODTj | 09:34 |
Stskeeps | i think the latest release hasn't been imported into repo.merproject.org | 09:35 |
pcat | ok, will try to revert to old repos | 09:36 |
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CosmoHill | Morning, how is everyone? | 09:43 |
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ravirdv | morning! | 10:02 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: ping ? | 13:58 |
Stskeeps | plomk | 13:58 |
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Stskeeps | whats up? | 13:59 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | may I have some information about breeze and storm in the zephyr project | 13:59 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | now trying to have fun with zephyr | 14:00 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 14:34 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | zephyr is rather a failure now, since eglfs is not available ??? | 14:34 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | will try later | 14:34 |
Stskeeps | it might be in progress atm | 14:35 |
Stskeeps | you need a framebuffer at least | 14:35 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | before getting a framebuffer, I need to know what is a framebuffer :D | 14:35 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | these notions are rather blurry for me at the moment | 14:35 |
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sledges | well, frame is what you see on screen at given time ,Sfiet_Konstantin | 14:53 |
sledges | buffer is a placeholder in memory | 14:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 14:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | how to get one ? | 14:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | etc. | 14:54 |
sledges | see if you have /dev/fb0 | 14:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | hum ... | 14:54 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | will check that | 14:54 |
sledges | quite amusing, e.g. on Android you can cat `/dev/zero > dev/fb0` and screen will go black :D | 14:55 |
sledges | `cat /dev/zero > dev/fb0` | 14:55 |
sledges | argh | 14:55 |
sledges | `cat /dev/zero > /dev/fb0` | 14:55 |
sledges | :D | 14:55 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 14:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | nice | 14:56 |
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sledges | should work for most *nix-based systems which render to fb | 14:57 |
sledges | /dev/urandom is even more fun :) | 14:57 |
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sledges | a project branched depends on package X. | 16:41 |
sledges | a branched project depends on package X. how can I make it pick it up from a branched package X' instead? | 16:41 |
sledges | (all branched under my home) | 16:41 |
sledges | context: OBS :) | 16:41 |
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sledges | got it: just add and build against that home:branches repo of my own | 16:46 |
sledges | gotta love OBS | 16:46 |
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Stskeeps | evening vgrade :) | 19:35 |
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vgrade | Hi Stskeeps | 19:44 |
Stskeeps | out at pub or at home today? | 19:44 |
vgrade | that felt like a long week, even though it was a short week | 19:44 |
vgrade | started back at work on Wed | 19:45 |
Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:45 |
vgrade | just reading Carls Mer presetation from QtDD | 19:45 |
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vgrade | also noticed we have some v6 webkit packages :) | 19:46 |
* vgrade hugs Bostik | 19:47 | |
vgrade | eglfsrpi needs a rebuild , then I can try snowshoe | 19:48 |
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Bostik | vgrade: aye, I put a raspi target up to prepare for my next hack | 21:17 |
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vgrade | Bostik: thanks | 21:23 |
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vgrade | Bostik: I need to redo the eglfsrpi platform plugin and qt-wayland-rpi needs an update also | 21:24 |
vgrade | to work with Qt 5.0.0 final | 21:24 |
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trip0 | mmm... qt5 | 21:26 |
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vgrade | trip0: Happy new year | 21:56 |
trip0 | likewise | 21:59 |
trip0 | we are still alive! | 21:59 |
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CosmoHill | indeed we ZOMBIES!!! | 22:01 |
CosmoHill | oh wait, it's just the wife and kids | 22:01 |
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Bostik | vgrade: sounds ever better, I'm putting wayland on bb | 22:19 |
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Bostik | ...both my rasps | 22:20 |
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vgrade | Bostik: on raspabain? | 22:26 |
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Bostik | vgrade: basic weston running already on one, albeit with raspbian | 22:28 |
Bostik | mer + qt5 is for the next one | 22:28 |
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Bostik | the build instructions we currently have ... may need a few updates :) | 22:29 |
vgrade | Bostik: had it running on beta and 0.85, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RTk77JRAKw | 22:31 |
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vgrade | was waiting for 1.0 and Qt final to do proper writeup | 22:31 |
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Bostik | Qt final and wayland is bit of a problem, qtwayland isn't included at all in 5.0 release | 22:39 |
Bostik | but we kind of knew that in advance | 22:39 |
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vgrade | I saw some gerrit updates to QtWayland for 1.0 wayland release but that was in Nov I think so before Qt final | 22:46 |
Stskeeps | at least i have it working on 1.0 fairly nicly | 22:46 |
vgrade | Stskeeps: on qt final? | 22:48 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 22:49 |
Stskeeps | with ccustom checkout of qtwayland | 22:49 |
vgrade | Stskeeps: ok | 22:50 |
Bostik | I'll catch up tomorrow, now off to bed | 22:50 |
Stskeeps | cya | 22:50 |
vgrade | Bostik: night | 22:50 |
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