Sunday, 2012-11-25

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CosmoHillnight night00:38
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dimasHallo03:32
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dimasi want to ask, the possibility installing sailfish on Android HH..?03:34
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Stskeepsmorn timoph :)07:55
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Stskeepsmorn Sfiet_Konstantin09:04
Sfiet_Konstantinhello Stskeeps09:04
Sfiet_Konstantinnews from jolla front ?09:04
Stskeepsthe coffee is good and i'm hacking on libhybris09:05
Stskeepsbut that's more of mer/zephyr front09:05
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: :):)09:05
Sfiet_Konstantinlibhybris :)09:05
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Stskeepsin other news, classic programming mistake: if (x & MASK) { } is not correct if you want to check for the mask09:09
Stskeepsyou'll want to if ((x & MASK) == MASK)09:10
StskeepsP09:10
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Sfiet_KonstantinOk09:33
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kulvewhy "tracker-control -F" shows that all the "Miners" are in a state "PAUSED"?09:39
kulveand why the "Store" is "Unavailable"?09:39
Stskeepshmm, ps aux | grep store09:40
kulvenothing09:40
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Stskeepsls -al /usr/lib/systemd/user/*store*09:43
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kulvetracker-store.service is found and it seems to start /usr/libexec/tracker-store which is also found09:47
kulveit seems to log to /home/nemo/.local/share/tracker/tracker-store.log, I'll reboot and see what it says09:47
kulveempty09:49
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kulve*** glibc detected *** /usr/libexec/tracker-store: double free or corruption (fasttop): 0x0039b2a8 ***09:57
kulveAborted09:57
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kulveit seems to segfault when e.g. qmlgallery is started09:58
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kulve$ cat /etc/mer-release10:02
kulveMer release 0.2011 (Mer)10:02
kulvea bit odd release number..10:02
Stskeepsyeah, agreed10:02
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Stskeepspq: did you ever by chance try the wayland-android stuff on qualcomm?13:05
pqStskeeps, nope, I only ever had the GN13:06
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Stskeepsalright13:06
Stskeepsi have a hunch that qcom needs a little more tender loving to share buffers, so13:07
pqreally? how so?13:07
pqclients cannot allocate even as root?13:08
Stskeepsthere's an awful lot of #ifdef QCOM_HARDWARE surrounding everything dealing with buffers13:08
Stskeepsand as an example, what works on GN (use output from one egl rendering in another, in same process), doesn't work on qcom13:09
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pqwhoa13:10
pqso android middleware has been adapted to qcom drivers instead of qcom drivers honouring the android HAL APIs?13:12
Stskeepsyeah..13:12
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pq>_<13:13
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Stskeepswell, that may be cased on the qcom hw adaptation13:14
* Stskeeps ponders13:15
Stskeepsi might just be talking shit, naturally13:15
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Stskeepsmorn fk_lx13:54
fk_lxhi Stskeeps13:54
Stskeepssafely back in .pl?13:54
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fk_lxgot back at 1 PM :-)13:55
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fk_lx19:40 - Warsaw, 23:59 - Katowice, 1:15 Rybnik :-)13:55
fk_lxit was very nice time in Finland and especially getting to know some people from Jolla13:56
fk_lxand of course people from emerging communities around it13:57
fk_lxstill impressed by what was shown13:57
Stskeepsyeah13:58
fk_lxand sure Marc is a charismatic person13:59
fk_lxhe was the most relaxed person on the stage :-)13:59
Stskeepsindeed14:00
fk_lxI think one of the advantages was that you were all so natural14:01
Stskeepswe didn't have time to fake it ;)14:01
fk_lxexactly :-)14:01
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fk_lxhi Venemo :-)14:03
kulve#0  0x41b4b064 in _dbus_watch_invalidate (watch=0x0) at dbus-watch.c:17214:04
kulve(gdb) p watch14:04
kulve$1 = (DBusWatch *) 0x014:04
kulvetracker-store segfaults inside dbus14:04
alteregoI think Marc and David were very natural :)14:05
alteregoEven though both of them had technical difficulties, they both coped extremely well.14:05
yuntaI perceived lbt slightly less stressed than marc14:05
alteregoHe was probably hung over :P14:06
alteregoGenerally has a subdueing effect on people :D14:06
fk_lxyeah, you are right lbt was also natural :-)14:06
fk_lxhis voice was also relaxing for the audience14:06
fk_lxhe would be good at storytelling :-)14:06
alteregoHe was explaining the SDK story :P14:07
yuntastill, lbt is more energetic in person, I expected more of that energy during presentation14:07
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yuntathat kinda confirms hangover theory...14:16
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alteregoHeh "Hangover Theory" it's not a theory today :P14:34
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Venemohi fk_lx14:44
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Sfiet_Konstantinhey fk_lx15:04
fk_lxhi Sfiet_Konstantin15:04
Sfiet_KonstantinI see you safely arrived in PL15:05
Sfiet_Konstantin:)15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinmore tweets for Jolla to come ?15:05
Sfiet_Konstantin:)15:05
fk_lxfor sure15:07
fk_lxbut now I have to catch with the stuff that wasn't moving forward due to my recent travels (RuPy, Slush)15:08
Sfiet_Konstantin:)15:08
Sfiet_KonstantinSlush …15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinthat beautiful event15:09
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Stskeeps\o/ offscreen rendering with libhybris, cross process buffer sharing15:16
* Stskeeps dances 15:16
vgradeStskeeps: nice15:18
Stskeepsfuck, the android graphics system can behave funnily at times15:19
Stskeepsit's funny how such a small demo can make such a difference. a blue square inside a white surrounding15:28
Stskeeps.. the blue square comes from another process15:28
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: congrats15:29
Sfiet_Konstantin:)15:29
Stskeepsand using android gpu drivers15:29
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vgradeStskeeps: so they have whats required for wayland now15:30
Stskeepswe're definately getting closer15:32
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:Does libhybris have a performance penalty/overhead?15:34
SuperpelicanStskeeps:compared with standard situation15:34
StskeepsSuperpelican: the gl calls are practically passthrough15:34
StskeepsSuperpelican: ie, jump to routine X15:35
SuperpelicanStskeeps:So there isn't any overhead?15:35
Stskeepsmaybe a tiny memory penalty, but that's manageable15:36
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:Will libhydris also be used by Jolla to let Sailfish run on Android devices?15:38
SuperpelicanStskeeps:Or is it primarily for hackers15:38
StskeepsSuperpelican: i can't speak on behalf of jolla. my own aim is to make it productised15:38
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SpeedEvilwhat's the licence?15:51
SpeedEvilor is that undetermined15:51
Stskeepserm, of what?15:51
SpeedEvilhybrid15:51
SpeedEvils15:51
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Stskeepsaplv215:52
Stskeepssame as the linker code it's based on15:52
SpeedEvilah15:52
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lbtyunta: alterego: ty :) ... there was definitely degree of sleep-depravity happening - and yunta, I'd been told to slow it down *a lot* ... so I did :)18:11
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Night-hacksDoes anyone knows about stable Meego port on Samsung Galaxy nexus ?18:27
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wmaroneNight-hacks: none that I'm aware of18:31
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Night-hackswmarone:  what should i call meego after Nokia break up anyway is it mer ? or still meego ?18:31
SuperpelicanNight-hacks:Mer is a MeeGo fork18:32
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SuperpelicanMeeGo is officialy dead18:32
wmaroneSuperpelican: it is but I don't see MeeGo proper ever restarting18:32
SuperpelicanMer != MeeGo18:32
wmaroneheh18:32
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SuperpelicanI do so Mer and Sailfish become a succes :)18:32
wmaronethe references to MeeGo are not invalid, but I prefer to highlight the change18:32
Superpelican*so=see18:33
Night-hacksSo i have to search mer port on my nexus18:33
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wmaronedon't believe there are any ports, it's running an OMAP4460 and I believe Mer has been run on that18:35
wmaronethe thing about Mer is that you can probably get it to boot to at least a login prompt, and software Xorg, if you have a kernel that can boot on the system18:35
wmaronethough without an SD card slot I wouldn't want to approach the thing18:35
Night-hackswmarone: is it like flashing android ?!18:36
Night-hackswmarone: I mean how to boot mer.18:37
wmaronethat varies per device18:37
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SuperpelicanNight-hacks, wmarone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQGd3XvmtCs18:37
SuperpelicanNight-hacks, wmarone: at least it has been done18:37
wmaronewell there you go :)18:38
SuperpelicanThe description of the video also includes this: http://www.youtube.com/redirect?q=http%3A%2F%2Fsagestechblog.blogspot.com%2F2012%2F04%2Fguide-how-to-boot-nemo-mobile-on-galaxy.html&session_token=I2vGt4nygnO7keyXAG9BN8FfiQR8MTM1Mzk1NTA0MkAxMzUzODY4NjQy18:38
SuperpelicanA complete guide ;)18:38
SuperpelicanNight-hacks:You're very lucky to own a i9250 ;)18:38
wmaroneyeah, no Galaxy Nexus here so never tried18:38
SuperpelicanFew Android devices run Mer so far18:38
Night-hacksthanks guys, I'm going to have some fun with Mer ;)18:39
wmaroneand you'll notice all the things that don't work ;)18:39
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wmaroneI spent some time hacking MeeGo to work on the Nook Color, lbt has been prodding it with a stick using recent versions of Mer18:40
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* Stskeeps is having a lot of nice success with hp touchpad these days18:40
SuperpelicanStskeeps: how do you guys do that * thing?18:41
Stskeeps /me18:41
Superpelicanthnx18:41
Stskeeps /me tickles a chicken18:41
* Superpelican wants to thank Stskeeps ;)18:41
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niqthi18:44
Stskeepshiya niqt18:44
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[ol]Stskeeps: How does sb2 execute shell scripts? Should it chroot them in target root dir?19:20
Stskeeps[ol]: it uses the host's /bin/sh with the process thinking it's in the target root dir19:21
[ol]chdir to target root dir or chroot there?19:22
Stskeepsit has a engine that adjusts the perception of filesystem to processes'19:22
Stskeepsso it's really neither19:22
[ol]Looks like it adjusts it the wrong way.19:23
[ol]ol@jr:/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base (659) sb2 -t mer-core19:23
Stskeepsso what's happening?19:23
[ol]/usr/bin/sb2: line 302: realpath: command not found19:23
[ol][SB2 sdk-build mer-core] ol@jr mer-core-x86_64-base $ pwd19:23
[ol]/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base19:23
[ol][SB2 sdk-build mer-core] ol@jr mer-core-x86_64-base $ ls /19:23
[ol]bash: /usr/bin/ls: /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: No such file or directory19:23
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Stskeepshmm, does realpath exist in the sdk ?19:24
[ol]So, the first command I run is in Mer SDK chroot.19:24
[ol]Stskeeps: No, and that's another fail.19:24
[ol]I mean, sb2 uses realpath, but it's not there because coreutils are too old to contain it.19:24
Stskeepshmm, what package is that in..19:24
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[ol]It's supposed to be in coreutils.19:25
[ol]At least, in Fedora 17 realpath is there.19:25
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Stskeepswhy don't i have that error..19:26
[ol]Because you didn't use "-p" option of sb2-init, I presume.19:27
Stskeepsshow me output of sb2-init?19:28
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[ol]Looks like I found where the bug is. Look at sb2 script and compare lines 284 and 302. Funny, eh?19:29
Stskeepsyeah, that's the bug, i think19:29
Stskeepsthough i'd like to know what your sb2-init says19:30
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[ol]Stskeeps: Nothing special:19:31
[ol]Using /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gcc to detect target architecture:19:31
[ol]collect2: cannot find 'ld'19:31
[ol]Finished writing sb2.gcc.config19:31
[ol]gcc configured.19:31
[ol]sb2-init: Target architecture is 'x86_64'19:31
[ol]sb2-init: Host architecture is 'i[3456]86'19:31
[ol]Finished writing sb2.config19:31
[ol]sb2-init: Creating Debian build system settings for this target:19:31
Stskeepsyeah, but the command line used ;)19:31
[ol]--- End of output ---19:31
[ol]Stskeeps: Sure:19:31
[ol]sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/libexec/x86_64-cputransparency -p /usr/libexec/x86_64-cputransparency -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gcc19:31
Stskeepsyou can probably leave out -c and -p19:32
[ol]I did, but it didn't help. It doesn't do chroot.19:32
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[ol]And /usr/libexec/x86_64-cputransparency is a simple C program which logs its arguments and then execs argv[1] with argv + 1 as arguments.19:33
[ol]But it's never being run, there's no log file.19:33
Stskeepsit doesn't have to chroot :)  - what happens if you drop -c and -p without parameters, and run sb2 -t mer-core ?19:34
Stskeepsand do 'ls'19:34
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Stskeepserr, with parameters, i mean19:35
Stskeepsnot without19:35
[ol]I understand.19:36
[ol]It does exactly the same.19:36
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Stskeepsokay,  /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2: bad ELF interpreter: ?19:37
[ol]Which brings the question again. How does it run shell scripts?19:37
Stskeepsthrough the host's bash, for example19:37
[ol]There is no "/lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2" file. This file exists in "/parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base/lib".19:38
[ol]There is an interesting difference in behaviour.19:38
Stskeepsok, what does uname -m say?19:38
Stskeepson the sdk19:38
[ol]"sb2 -t mer-core ls" yields:19:39
[ol]bin  dev  etc  lib  proc  sbin  sys  tmp  usr  var19:39
Stskeepsokay19:39
[ol]"sb2 -t mer-core /usr/bin/ls" produces no output.19:39
Stskeepshow about /bin/ls ?19:40
[ol]"uname -m" has the following output: "i686"19:40
[ol]"sb2 -t mer-core /bin/ls":19:40
[ol]bin  dev  etc  lib  proc  sbin  sys  tmp  usr  var19:40
Stskeepsok, good19:41
Stskeepscat > foo.c << EOF19:41
Stskeepsint main()19:41
Stskeeps{19:41
Stskeeps}19:41
StskeepsEOF19:41
Stskeepssb2 -t mer-core gcc -o foo foo.c19:41
CosmoHillecho main(){} > dummy.c19:41
CosmoHill:)19:41
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[ol]In what directory?19:43
Stskeepsi guess $HOME should be ok19:43
[ol]I already have a test C program.19:44
[ol]sb2 -t mer-core gcc -O3 ~/Work/test/hello.c -o ~/Work/test/hello19:44
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Stskeepsthat's fine too - does this work>19:44
Stskeeps?19:44
Stskeepsand it yields a x86_64 binary19:44
[ol]No error messages.19:44
Stskeepsgood, and file says it's x86_64 ?19:45
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Stskeepsand you can sb2 -t mer-core ~/Work/test/hello19:45
[ol]Yes.19:45
[ol] /home/ol/Work/test/hello: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.32, not stripped19:45
[ol]However, "sb2 -t mer-core ~/Work/test/hello" produces no output.19:46
Stskeepshmm, how does hello.c look?19:46
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[ol]It works if I copy it to target dir and run it in chroot.19:47
[ol]It looks exactly as expected:19:48
[ol]#include <stdio.h>19:48
[ol]int main()19:48
[ol]{19:48
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[ol]    printf("Hello, world!\n");19:48
[ol]    return 0;19:48
[ol]}19:48
Stskeepsokay19:48
Stskeepsand you can sb2 -t mer-core -d ~/Work/test/hello19:48
Stskeepsand get me the log it generates (it says which)19:48
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[ol]Stskeeps: https://www.infoserver.ru/~ol/files/_home_ol_Work_test_hello.20121125-1948.770885066.log19:52
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Stskeepsthanks, looking19:53
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[ol]Stskeeps: EXEC failed (/home/ol/Work/test/hello), errno=2[execs/sb_exec.c:1586]19:55
[ol]Looks like it's unable to find /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.219:55
Stskeepsyeah, looking at the code to understand what's going on19:56
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[ol]OK, so it execs x86_64 application. The kernel supports x86_64, but does 32-bit sb2 support x86_64 system call interception?19:59
Stskeepsi'm pondering if this is some kind of linux32/linux64 thing20:00
Stskeepsbecause uname -m says i686 in the sdk20:00
Stskeeps[ol]: what does sb2 -t mer-core /lib/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 ~/Work/test/hello do ?20:01
[ol]ERROR: ld.so: object 'libsb2.so.1' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored.20:02
[ol]/home/ol/Work/test/hello: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS3220:02
[ol] (WARNING)      sb2:StartupTrampoline[9920]     Executing statically linked native binary /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base/lib/ld-2.15.so20:03
[ol]Messages from sb2:20:03
[ol]# exit 127 (127)20:03
Stskeepsugh20:03
[ol]Of course, libsb2.so.1 can't be preloaded. It's 32-bit library.20:03
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* Stskeeps opens a projects/x86_64 folder..20:04
[ol]It can't be preloaded to 64-bit application.20:04
[ol]Where is that folder?20:06
Stskeepson my own laptop20:06
[ol]Notes on porting to x86_64?20:07
Stskeepsyeah20:07
Stskeepsi have to build you a qemu as my hope didn't work out20:07
Stskeepsjust to get us started20:07
timophhmmh. is someone working on a script/application to automate virtualbox setup for mer-qt-creator?20:07
[ol]Just give me a link to git repo containing package files for qemu.20:07
Venemo_N9what are you guys up to?20:08
timophshould be doable using vboxmanage afaik20:08
Stskeeps[ol]: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/qemu-usermode.git;a=tree20:08
Stskeeps[ol]: could i ask for a copy of the cross compiler and sysroot, so i can replicate on my own setup?20:08
Stskeepsand patch to sb220:09
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Stskeepsmakes it easier to test20:09
StskeepsVenemo_N9: [ol]'s porting mer to x86_620:09
Stskeeps420:09
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Venemo_N9finally :)20:09
Venemo_N9thank you [ol]20:09
Stskeepsfrom scratch, too20:09
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Venemo_N9what do you mean, from scratch?20:10
Stskeepsas in, bootstrap gcc, glibc, everything20:10
[ol]Stskeeps: At this moment I have:20:10
[ol]1. Cross-compiled packages: cross-x86_64-binutils, cross-x86_64-gcc, cross-x86_64-glibc, cross-x86_64-kernel-headers, cross-x86_64-sysroot.20:11
Stskeeps:nod:20:11
Stskeepsi guess that should be enough20:12
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Stskeeps[ol]: just add x86_64-linux-user20:13
Stskeepsto the qemu-usermode-static.spec and copy the binary it makse into package20:14
Stskeepsand we'll use the x86_64 userland qemu just to start things a bit.. i didn't anticipate sb2 would cause this fuzz :)20:14
Stskeepsand you can point to that qemu with -c20:14
[ol]2. Slightly populated /parentroot/srv/mer/targets/mer-core-x86_64-base directory. It has contents of /opt/cross/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu/sys-root directory, as well as /opt/cross/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu/lib, /opt/cross/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu/include and /opt/cross/lib/gcc/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu. Also, I've mannually installed there files from coreutins package.20:15
Stskeeps:nod:20:15
Stskeepsi should be good with 1) only20:15
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[ol]Stskeeps: Not so good because without that rpmbuild fails just immediately when trying to rm build dir.20:16
[ol]Because there is no rm!20:16
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Stskeeps:nod: i'll take a look at what is going on20:17
Eismannwhats the best way to run mer on a VM?20:19
[ol]Its impossible to build any package without "--nodeps" anyway, because all of the BuildRequire each other forming circular dependencies. Everything depends on coreutils, but coreutils depends on a lot of stuff, including texinfo.20:19
EismannIm a bit lost with the wiki20:19
Stskeeps[ol]: you start out with --nodeps in order to bootstrap20:20
Stskeepssec20:20
Stskeepsattr , cloog , diffstat , elfutils , gcc , gdbm , groff , ncurses , nss , pcre , perl , pkgconfig , ppl , sqlite , xz20:20
[ol]I've started with coreutils.20:21
Stskeepshmm, i thought the cycle was longer20:21
Stskeeps:nod: coreutils is a good start20:21
Stskeepswell, you can probably start with attr/acl once stuff actually works20:21
Stskeepsthere should be no need for coreutils in target, i've done it without before20:22
StskeepsEismann: try it out in nemo, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#i586_Virtual_Machine20:23
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EismannI'll check it out, thanks20:24
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Stskeeps[ol]: if you can sb2-init with -c /usr/bin/qemu-x86_64-static and successfully run your hello test, that's a good start20:31
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[ol]Stskeeps: Doesn't work. Seems like it just doesn't even try to run qemu-x86_64-dynamic: https://www.infoserver.ru/~ol/files/_home_ol_Work_test_hello.20121125-2053.933782118.log20:57
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Stskeepsand this is with sb2-init command line..?20:57
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[ol]sb2-init -d -L "--sysroot=/" -C "--sysroot=/" -c /usr/bin/qemu-x86_64-dynamic -m sdk-build -n -N -t / mer-core /opt/cross/bin/x86_64-meego-linux-gnu-gcc20:58
Stskeepshmmmmm20:58
[ol]This was last sb2-init I was running.20:58
[ol]It didn't run my fake transparency command either when I tried it before.21:00
Stskeepsi'll have to review it later (if you could upload packages in 1) that'd help a bit. something's definately looking majorly broken21:00
Stskeepsbbl sleep21:01
[ol]I'm currently uploading them to my server. I'll send URL when done.21:01
Stskeepsthank you21:01
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[ol]Stskeeps: Looks like I've found the problem in sb2 source.21:54
Stskeepsoh?21:56
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[ol]Look at the comment in execs/sb_exec.c at line 133. Then look at inspect_elf_binary() function in the same file at line 294. It decects the x86_64 target binary as host binary and doesn't attempt to run emulation.21:59
Stskeepsah21:59
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[ol]Rebuilding sb2 with patch and testing...22:02
[ol]It works!22:03
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[ol]However, /usr/bin/ls shows strange directory contents...22:09
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[ol]Another bug. This time in qemu. It fails to translate directory listing from from i386 host to x86_64 target.22:24
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CosmoHillnight night23:09
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