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| trip0 | hmm... first boot failed :( | 04:17 |
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| Stskeeps | tripzero: in which manner? | 05:27 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:04 |
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| vgrade | morning | 07:40 |
| vgrade | what a glorious day here | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 07:41 |
| vgrade | sunshine and blue sky | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | ah, sounds nice :) | 07:44 |
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| jbos_ | moi moi :) | 07:52 |
| phaeron | jbos_: no you're supposed to have the version at https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binaries?package=qemu-devel&project=home%3AMartinMohring%3AopenSUSE%3ATools%3ADeploy&repository=openSUSE_11.4 | 07:53 |
| jbos_ | phaeron, what i sort of miss on imager is a build in cleanu, | 07:53 |
| jbos_ | yep I installed this now | 07:53 |
| phaeron | jbos_: yeah it is on the todo list | 07:53 |
| jbos_ | its called there "qemu" and contains qemu-arm-static | 07:53 |
| jbos_ | while in the old meego tools there was an own package | 07:54 |
| jbos_ | and while on suse it self qemu-arm-static is not contained in the qemu package | 07:54 |
| phaeron | yeah I am surprised there is no official place for this package | 07:54 |
| jbos_ | btw. mer wiki sdk still points to the meego tools | 07:55 |
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| jbos_ | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Image_Creation | 07:55 |
| phaeron | I didn't notice because I use mer kvm workers and mer provides the qemu-arm-static | 07:56 |
| phaeron | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i586/packages/i586/ | 07:56 |
| phaeron | jbos_: I think also most people concentrate on the SDK now | 07:56 |
| phaeron | doing osc build and image build inside the SDK | 07:56 |
| jbos_ | so why imager doesnt do it that way :D | 07:56 |
| phaeron | that's the kvm way | 07:57 |
| jbos_ | i see | 07:57 |
| phaeron | you mean have an sdk and run mic inside | 07:57 |
| phaeron | that's a good idea | 07:57 |
| phaeron | but similar to what would happen if you enable bootstrap | 07:57 |
| phaeron | jbos_: http://autodoc.meego.com/mint/imager/configuration/build_image-conf.html#supported-image-creation-tools | 07:58 |
| Bostik | late morning | 07:58 |
| phaeron | maybe try enabling bootstrap | 07:58 |
| jbos_ | well, thing is, I'm already inside a kvm | 07:58 |
| jbos_ | maybe its not such a wise idea to do kvm inside a kvm | 07:59 |
| phaeron | yeah I understand. actually there is nested kvm if you're feeling adventurous :D | 07:59 |
| phaeron | it does work | 07:59 |
| jbos_ | mhm ok the qemu-arm-static from martin still segfault | 08:00 |
| phaeron | weird | 08:02 |
| Stskeeps | morn Bostik :) | 08:03 |
| phaeron | can you pastie the error | 08:03 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 08:03 |
| jbos_ | http://pastebin.com/qrbsmKcQ | 08:04 |
| phaeron | jbos_: you have scratchbox setup ? | 08:10 |
| jbos_ | no, plain suse 11.4 | 08:10 |
| phaeron | seems it is a known bug in qemu .. but I can't find the solution | 08:12 |
| phaeron | jbos_: maybe try to extract the file from mer rpm and see if it works | 08:12 |
| phaeron | from the link I pasted above | 08:12 |
| jbos_ | have done | 08:12 |
| jbos_ | all of them work in a sense of calling qemu-arm-static | 08:13 |
| jbos_ | can give me a sample call? | 08:13 |
| phaeron | you mean the qemu-arm-static from http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i586/packages//i586/qemu-usermode-static-1.0.50.2012.03-1.3.i586.rpm | 08:14 |
| jbos_ | yep | 08:14 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: have you seen this qemu segfault before ? | 08:15 |
| jbos_ | mybe it is this: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-April/482638.html | 08:16 |
| jbos_ | a no | 08:17 |
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| jbos_ | well I guess i will try kvm in kvm then | 08:20 |
| jbos_ | wont be fast... :) but I dont care if it works | 08:20 |
| phaeron | jbos_: did you enable bootstrap ? | 08:22 |
| jbos_ | duno, where can i check | 08:22 |
| phaeron | also that link you pasted says echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled | 08:22 |
| phaeron | did you try it | 08:22 |
| phaeron | jbos_: http://autodoc.meego.com/mint/imager/configuration/build_image-conf.html#supported-image-creation-tools | 08:23 |
| jbos_ | ah no i did not, since docu say -> if you use mic you dont need to :D | 08:25 |
| jbos_ | so I used mic :D | 08:25 |
| jbos_ | so need to go off now, cya later :D | 08:27 |
| phaeron | later | 08:27 |
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| lbt | morning all | 08:37 |
| Bostik | okay, then outside with the little lady | 08:45 |
| lbt | I tried that ...she kept coming back in .... | 08:46 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: ping | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | pong | 09:38 |
| * lbt erases comment about Stskeeps being afk | 09:38 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: not afk, just doing other stuff than computing for a moment :P | 09:38 |
| lbt | I have promised that for mon/tue so need to do stuff today :) | 09:39 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I made a package called 'hwa-hi3716m-input', and make rootfs base on it, it reports 'input-0.1.20120524-2.1.Mer.armv7l requires libPlatformIr.so'. but this libPlatformir.so is in the package itself! what is the problem then? | 09:41 |
| sonach | and this package is on COBS, home:sonach, | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: check the build log for when it talks about Provides: | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: does it say libPlatformIr.so there? | 09:42 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hmm, in the build log, I can not see something about 'provide'. the log is https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=hwa_hi3716m_input&project=home%3Asonach&repository=Mer_Core_armv7l | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: make sure libPlatformIr.so is =x | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | err | 09:46 |
| Stskeeps | chmod +x | 09:46 |
| sonach | why +x? | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | odd thing in RPM | 09:47 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: yes, I remove 'x' when before I packaging it... | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | just try and see if that helps :) | 09:48 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. and now, I make rootfs only include this 'input' package. but since it requres '/sbin/ldconfig', if I don't add @Mer-Core in the ks, will it work? | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes | 09:49 |
| Stskeeps | ldconfig is in glibc | 09:49 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: yes, after adding "+x" to the so files, it works:) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | good | 09:56 |
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| * lbt wonders how to number Tools releases | 10:11 | |
| Stskeeps | <core it's based on> ? | 10:12 |
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| lbt | will do that for SDK | 10:12 |
| lbt | "The Tools project does not make regular scheduled releases; instead it releases when required - this can be when just one version of a package has changed." | 10:13 |
| lbt | is what I'm thinking atm | 10:13 |
| lbt | but I'd like to do a prerelease too | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | <core it's compiled against> is fairly important, at least | 10:13 |
| lbt | it is | 10:14 |
| lbt | does it even make sense to 'release' binaries of Tools | 10:15 |
| lbt | cf SDK | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | tools are useful for well, debugging at times :) | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | it doesn't make much sense to release obs-repos | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | rpms themselves are ok | 10:16 |
| lbt | what I mean is... sure I'll do SDK-releases ... but I'll do that with a set of tools of specific versions | 10:17 |
| lbt | so Tools v3 has a set of sha1s | 10:17 |
| lbt | I can build that against this weeks Mer, or next weeks etc | 10:17 |
| lbt | when I do that I have an SDK | 10:18 |
| lbt | so the SDK is the product built against a Mer release using a src version of Tools | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:18 |
| lbt | now I release v4 of Tools | 10:19 |
| lbt | we probably won't particularly support multiple combinations | 10:19 |
| lbt | but I may want to build v4 against my in-house Mer | 10:20 |
| lbt | same goes for any 'layer' built over Mer core | 10:20 |
| lbt | so I think I need to have the mer-tools in git and have MDS able to say "use the set of sha1s for v4" and rebuild against Mer-in-house and then make an SDK | 10:21 |
| Termana | morning | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | point | 10:22 |
| lbt | o/ | 10:22 |
| lbt | tbh this is overkill for the SDK as such ... | 10:22 |
| lbt | but if someone freezes against Mer with python2.6 ... that may matter :) | 10:23 |
| lbt | or 2.7 as we -> 2 | 10:23 |
| lbt | 3 | 10:23 |
| Sleepy_Coder | lbt: hmm, don't want to forget, but can I bug you for SF piccies now? :3 I could just give you my email to send to? | 10:30 |
| lbt | sure | 10:31 |
| * Sleepy_Coder is at sir@pogsalot@gmail.com :] | 10:31 | |
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| sonach | lbt: ping | 11:42 |
| lbt | sonach: pong | 11:42 |
| sonach | lbt: I create one project in cobs, and add one package. but after I uploading source files, the 'Build Status' of the package is still 'No build result available'. | 11:43 |
| sonach | lbt: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=umodules-sdk60&project=home%3Asonach%3Ahwadaption%3Ahi3716m | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | your meta is missing <arch> | 11:43 |
| lbt | what he said | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | in <repository> | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: btw, i'm spending some time on a busybox mer this weekend | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | just to see what problems thre are | 11:45 |
| Stskeeps | there | 11:45 |
| lbt | sonach: you can either edit the XML or use the webui here: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/repositories?project=home%3Asonach%3Ahwadaption%3Ahi3716m (click Edit repository) | 11:46 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ah. I just create the project following the webUI, and selected Mer armv7 softfp. I have thought the <arch> should be there... | 11:46 |
| sonach | lbt: ok, | 11:46 |
| Stskeeps | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg from topic | 11:46 |
| lbt | sonach: that's a bug in the user interface of the OBS version we're using | 11:47 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I can test the busybox version next week:) | 11:49 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Now when I build rootfs using package 'umodules', it claims about 'requires xxx.so'. Since umodules includes a lot of so files, is there any way to check the dependencies using linux shell commands? | 13:07 |
| sonach | for example, umodules includes A.so and B.so, but in fact A.so depends on C.so. | 13:07 |
| sonach | so I should add C.so into umodules when do packaging. | 13:08 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I think there should be some utils to do this, maybe the utils provides by toolchain? | 13:10 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: now I have successfully made rootfs. but in the process, it reports a lot of '/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 is not a symbolic link', something like this. | 13:55 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: hmm, did you by chance add libfreetype.so.6 yourself? | 14:05 |
| sonach | this is because the libfreetype.so.6 is a soft link to libfreetype.so.6.4.0. But in the umodules.spec file, I do 'cp * %{buildroot}/usr/lib', so the libfreetype.so.6 is copied to rpm as a seperate file. | 14:05 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 14:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: you mean, there is libfreetype.so.6 in mer-core? | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think so | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 14:06 |
| sonach | yes, I add it to umodules, | 14:06 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: yes, mer provides libfreetype.so.6 in freetype package | 14:07 |
| Stskeeps | so you shouldn't need to add that yourself | 14:07 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: because I can not decide which so depends on which, so I just copy the usr/lib/* of hi3716m to umodules:) | 14:07 |
| sonach | ok, I think I should delete freetype in my umodules. | 14:08 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:08 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: but '/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/libhipng.so.14 is not a symbolic link' | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | that is a little more weird | 14:09 |
| sonach | ok, I see, | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | ls libhipng* ? | 14:09 |
| sonach | I can just copy libhipng.so.14.1.4.0, and make the soft link by hand:) | 14:09 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for example | 14:10 |
| Stskeeps | closed source binaries are always a mess to deal with | 14:10 |
| sonach | :) | 14:10 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: In Mer wiki, Is any plan for 'Qt' parts? | 14:18 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: in which sense? | 14:19 |
| sonach | ah, in Architecture part, | 14:20 |
| sonach | http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Architecture | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | it'll be even more interesting once we have both qt4 and qt5 | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | qt5 alpha1 is coming in next release | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | qt4 will still work, naturally | 14:23 |
| sonach | good :) | 14:23 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and you talked of OpenMobile on Mer | 14:24 |
| sonach | that is porting android-support on Mer. Is there any further information? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | not so far | 14:25 |
| sonach | so maybe it requres a lot of work? or it depends on the guys of OpenMobile? | 14:25 |
| Stskeeps | it depends on their work as it's not open source, sadly | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | so we'll see if it happens or not | 14:26 |
| Stskeeps | i have to go - talk to you later | 14:26 |
| sonach | yes... not open source... but to us, it is not a problem. If OpenMobile's android can run on Mer, maybe TV vendors can buy it. But first, we should show TV vendors that this 'android' can work before they are willing to pay for it. | 14:28 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, see you :) | 14:28 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dgWr4Ewr8E | 16:23 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | vgrade: kewl video of QML Viewer on Mer on the Raspberry Pi :o | 17:42 |
| vgrade | Sleepy_Coder, well now thats an old one | 17:48 |
| vgrade | you can find the adpatation packages linked from http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Community_Workspace/RaspberryPi | 17:50 |
| Sleepy_Coder | ooh thanks :D | 17:51 |
| vgrade | and here on OBS, https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Avgrade%3AraspPi | 17:51 |
| * Sleepy_Coder wishes he could see the build error? | 17:53 | |
| Sleepy_Coder | gfx-libs-raspPi | 17:53 |
| Sleepy_Coder | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=gfx-libs-raspPi&project=home%3Avgrade%3AraspPi&repository=Mer_Core_armv6l there we go | 17:54 |
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| Sleepy_Coder | :D | 17:54 |
| vgrade | Sleepy_Coder, looks like the update to python 2.7 has broken that pkg | 17:58 |
| vgrade | but its not required for the qml viewer | 18:00 |
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| jbos_ | I currently look into building a mic bootstrap | 19:27 |
| jbos_ | on a suse 11.4 | 19:27 |
| jbos_ | all i get is BootstrapError: <bootstrap>Backend: zypp can't be loaded correctly | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | --pkgmgr=yum | 19:28 |
| jbos_ | it does not matter to have this | 19:28 |
| jbos_ | have it in mic config | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | i am a bit surpised to hear 'mic' has bootstrap functionality in the first place | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | what was the reason for the IMG troubles? | 19:28 |
| jbos_ | mhm segfault in qemu-arm-static | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | okay, and it wasn't using the mer sdk yet? | 19:29 |
| jbos_ | can not really use kvm for img... | 19:29 |
| jbos_ | lot of changed for me to do to get kvm working inside kvm... | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | that does sound a bit ugly yeah | 19:30 |
| jbos_ | so i was looking into this bootstrap way.. | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | two problems with that.. mer core itself isn't good enough for a full bootstrap, it has to be + tools | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | and i think mic uses bootstrap only from one repo | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | that's why we've been doing sdk instead | 19:31 |
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| jbos_ | guess I will just use a jenkins doing things inside a script and using the sdk | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | also possible | 19:32 |
| jbos_ | well, ye I think its not really an option to use IMG... so only known way to work is kvm which i cant use | 19:33 |
| jbos_ | mhm | 19:33 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's because IMG mostly have been on top of iron directly | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind that image creations, like obs builds, are insecure unless inside a vm, though | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | if you need to scale up | 19:34 |
| Stskeeps | unless inside a kvm made for the purpose, that is | 19:35 |
| jbos_ | well yes, hey anyways. :) I need to go again, have some dinner ;) I will go the other way for now. | 19:35 |
| jbos_ | (some ci doing it) | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy | 19:36 |
| jbos_ | :D yes | 19:36 |
| * Stskeeps is working on x86 kernel tonight | 19:36 | |
| jbos_ | thanks | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | syncing with tizen ivi, no good reason for doing NIH | 19:36 |
| jbos_ | sound like phfun | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | solves some problems | 19:36 |
| phaeron | jbos_: what Stskeeps is saying is correct , imager used mostly for on bare iron building | 19:45 |
| phaeron | I'll look into what's wrong with mic + arm or else use the sdk | 19:46 |
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| jstaniek | hi Stskeeps! enjoyed the Polisgh n9 meeting? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: sure, was good to meet some more meego community in poland :) also discovered warsaw hackerspace now, think i'll start to attend there | 19:49 |
| tadzik | have you been there already? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, went thursday | 19:50 |
| tadzik | how was it? | 19:50 |
| jstaniek | hackerspace? | 19:50 |
| tadzik | I've never been there actually, I just know some of the guys | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: hackerspace.pl | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | brought my raspberry pi, so that brought a lot of attention | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | tadzik: quite nice, a bit like my office, though bigger and more equipment ;) | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | and friendly atmosphere | 19:51 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: already running Qt apps on the tizen device? | 19:55 |
| jstaniek | or bricked ? | 19:56 |
| jstaniek | I read on irclogs you bricked it ;) | 19:56 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: yeah, people have qt4.8 on it | 19:57 |
| tadzik | oh crap, I accidentally removed CSSU from my N900 | 19:58 |
| tadzik | wtf | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: i bricked it myself by trying to restore the bootloader using the samsung pre-uboot bootloader :P | 19:58 |
| jstaniek | :P | 19:58 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: and i haven't yet figured out how to make a formatted sd card that is bootable | 19:58 |
| jstaniek | BTW, if there's Qt-fanatic looking for permament job in Warsaw, I am still hiring ;) | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | i'm still waiting for some answers on other possibilities but have considered to apply | 20:00 |
| Bostik | poor bastard | 20:01 |
| Bostik | keeping abreast on what happens to Qt is more than a full-time job :/ | 20:02 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: rly???! | 20:02 |
| jstaniek | Bostik: well said... | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: yeah, but let's see what happens - a job is a job :) | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | jstaniek: though one thing i was curious about, if there's any policies about outside work open source project participation | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | i know intel for example restricts this | 20:04 |
| jstaniek | Stskeeps: I in particular took care about that from my day 1st | 20:05 |
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| jstaniek | Stskeeps: and as for Polish law there's no way to restrict most things (except copying the code or designs into open space) | 20:05 |
| jstaniek | but it's safer to work on loosely related things | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 20:06 |
| jstaniek | e.g. if I hack my own Fridge in spare time - this is clearly not good attitude; if I run a company I wouldn't like to have employees working this way | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, same here | 20:07 |
| jstaniek | and this is not allowed by PL law, for sure | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | think it's similar in danish law too | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | i'm having fun tonight making a mini mer with busybox and such, just to know that i can do it :P | 20:08 |
| Bostik | aieeee | 20:08 |
| Bostik | busybox == pain | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | it is | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | but if you've seen the dependency graph of the usual gnu utilities, you begin to understand | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:09 |
| Bostik | not right out, but the stripped-down nature of the included tools is nearly guaranteed to cause headaches when porting packages on top of a system where coreutils are busyboxed | 20:09 |
| Bostik | %post in particular tends to be a breeding ground for ever more inventiove abuses of obscure command options | 20:10 |
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| phaeron | jbos_: testing it now | 21:22 |
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| phaeron | ha fixed it | 21:54 |
| phaeron | jbos_: it's all about which qemu-arm is registered in /proc | 21:55 |
| phaeron | the one from opensuse is broken | 21:55 |
| phaeron | the one from mer works , but needs to be registered correctly and mic checks and uses /usr/bin/qemu-arm (opensuse one) before checking for /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static | 21:56 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: http://qtl.me/mer10.png - mostly a proof of concept at this stage.. but widgets! | 23:25 |
| w00t | http://qtl.me/mer11.png - they rotate, too | 23:26 |
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