Saturday, 2012-05-26

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trip0hmm... first boot failed :(04:17
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Stskeepstripzero: in which manner?05:27
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vgradewhat a glorious day here07:41
vgradesunshine and blue sky07:42
Stskeepsah, sounds nice :)07:44
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jbos_moi moi :)07:52
phaeronjbos_: no you're supposed to have the version at
jbos_phaeron, what i sort of miss on imager is a build in cleanu,07:53
jbos_yep I installed this now07:53
phaeronjbos_: yeah it is on the todo list07:53
jbos_its called there "qemu" and contains qemu-arm-static07:53
jbos_while in the old meego tools there was an own package07:54
jbos_and while on suse it self qemu-arm-static is not contained in the qemu package07:54
phaeronyeah I am surprised there is no official place for this package07:54
jbos_btw. mer wiki sdk still points to the meego tools07:55
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phaeronI didn't notice because I use mer kvm workers and mer provides the qemu-arm-static07:56
phaeronjbos_: I think also most people concentrate on the SDK now07:56
phaerondoing osc build and image build inside the SDK07:56
jbos_so why imager doesnt do it that way :D07:56
phaeronthat's the kvm way07:57
jbos_i see07:57
phaeronyou mean have an sdk and run mic inside07:57
phaeronthat's a good idea07:57
phaeronbut similar to what would happen if you enable bootstrap07:57
Bostiklate morning07:58
phaeronmaybe try enabling bootstrap07:58
jbos_well, thing is, I'm already inside a kvm07:58
jbos_maybe its not such a wise idea to do kvm inside a  kvm07:59
phaeronyeah I understand. actually there is nested kvm if you're feeling adventurous :D07:59
phaeronit does work07:59
jbos_mhm ok the qemu-arm-static from martin still segfault08:00
Stskeepsmorn Bostik :)08:03
phaeroncan you pastie the error08:03
phaeronStskeeps: morning08:03
phaeronjbos_: you have scratchbox setup ?08:10
jbos_no, plain suse 11.408:10
phaeronseems it is  a known bug in  qemu .. but I can't find the  solution08:12
phaeronjbos_: maybe try to extract the file from mer rpm and see if it works08:12
phaeronfrom the link I pasted above08:12
jbos_have done08:12
jbos_all  of them work in a sense of calling qemu-arm-static08:13
jbos_can give me a sample call?08:13
phaeronyou mean the qemu-arm-static from
phaeronStskeeps: have you seen this qemu segfault before ?08:15
jbos_mybe it is this:
jbos_a no08:17
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jbos_well I guess i will try kvm in kvm then08:20
jbos_wont be fast... :) but I dont care if it works08:20
phaeronjbos_: did you enable bootstrap ?08:22
jbos_duno, where can i check08:22
phaeronalso that link you pasted  says echo 0 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/vdso_enabled08:22
phaerondid you try it08:22
jbos_ah no i did not, since docu say -> if you use mic you dont need to :D08:25
jbos_so I used mic :D08:25
jbos_so need to go off now, cya later :D08:27
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lbtmorning all08:37
Bostikokay, then outside with the little lady08:45
lbtI tried that ...she kept coming back in ....08:46
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sonachStskeeps: ping09:38
* lbt erases comment about Stskeeps being afk09:38
Stskeepslbt: not afk, just doing other stuff than computing for a moment :P09:38
lbtI have promised that for mon/tue so need to do stuff today :)09:39
sonachStskeeps: I made a package called 'hwa-hi3716m-input', and make rootfs base on it, it reports 'input-0.1.20120524-2.1.Mer.armv7l requires'. but this is in the package itself! what is the problem then?09:41
sonachand this package is on COBS, home:sonach,09:42
Stskeepssonach: check the build log for when it talks about Provides:09:42
Stskeepssonach: does it say there?09:42
sonachStskeeps: hmm, in the build log, I can not see something about 'provide'. the log is
Stskeepssonach: make sure is =x09:46
Stskeepschmod +x09:46
sonachwhy +x?09:47
Stskeepsodd thing in RPM09:47
sonachStskeeps: yes, I remove 'x' when before I packaging it...09:48
Stskeepsjust try and see if that helps :)09:48
sonachStskeeps: OK. and now, I make rootfs only include this 'input' package. but since it requres '/sbin/ldconfig', if I don't add @Mer-Core in the ks, will it work?09:49
Stskeepssonach: yes09:49
Stskeepsldconfig is in glibc09:49
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sonachStskeeps: yes, after adding "+x" to the so files,  it works:)09:55
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* lbt wonders how to number Tools releases10:11
Stskeeps<core it's based on> ?10:12
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lbtwill do that for SDK10:12
lbt"The Tools project does not make regular scheduled releases; instead it releases when required - this can be when just one version of a package has changed."10:13
lbtis what I'm thinking atm10:13
lbtbut I'd like to do a prerelease too10:13
Stskeeps<core it's compiled against> is fairly important, at least10:13
lbtit is10:14
lbtdoes it even make sense to 'release' binaries of Tools10:15
lbtcf SDK10:15
Stskeepstools are useful for well, debugging at times :)10:16
Stskeepsit doesn't make much sense to release obs-repos10:16
Stskeepsrpms themselves are ok10:16
lbtwhat I mean is... sure I'll do SDK-releases ... but I'll do that with a set of tools of specific versions10:17
lbtso Tools v3 has a set of sha1s10:17
lbtI can build that against this weeks Mer, or next weeks etc10:17
lbtwhen I do that I have an SDK10:18
lbtso the SDK is the product built against a Mer release using a src version of Tools10:18
lbtnow I release v4 of Tools10:19
lbtwe probably won't particularly support multiple combinations10:19
lbtbut I may want to build v4 against my in-house Mer10:20
lbtsame goes for any 'layer' built over Mer core10:20
lbtso I think I need to have the mer-tools in git and have MDS able to say "use the set of sha1s for v4" and rebuild against Mer-in-house and then make an SDK10:21
lbttbh this is overkill for the SDK as such ...10:22
lbtbut if someone freezes against Mer with python2.6 ... that may matter :)10:23
lbtor 2.7 as we -> 210:23
Sleepy_Coderlbt: hmm, don't want to forget, but can I bug you for SF piccies now? :3  I could just give you my email to send to?10:30
* Sleepy_Coder is at :]10:31
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sonachlbt: ping11:42
lbtsonach: pong11:42
sonachlbt: I create one project in cobs, and add one package. but after I uploading source files, the 'Build Status' of the package is still 'No build result available'.11:43
Stskeepsyour meta is missing <arch>11:43
lbtwhat he said11:44
Stskeepsin <repository>11:44
Stskeepssonach: btw, i'm spending some time on a busybox mer this weekend11:45
Stskeepsjust to see what problems thre are11:45
lbtsonach: you can either edit the XML or use the webui here:  (click Edit repository)11:46
sonachStskeeps: ah. I just create the project following the webUI, and selected Mer armv7 softfp. I have thought the <arch> should be there...11:46
sonachlbt: ok,11:46
StskeepsBuilding against Mer in COBS: from topic11:46
lbtsonach: that's a bug in the user interface of the OBS version we're using11:47
sonachStskeeps: I can test the busybox version next week:)11:49
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sonachStskeeps: Now when I build rootfs using package 'umodules', it claims about 'requires'. Since umodules includes a lot of so files, is there any way to check the dependencies using linux shell commands?13:07
sonachfor example, umodules includes and, but in fact depends on
sonachso I should add into umodules when do packaging.13:08
sonachStskeeps: I think there should be some utils to do this, maybe the utils provides by toolchain?13:10
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sonachStskeeps: now I have successfully made rootfs. but in the process, it reports a lot of '/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link', something like this.13:55
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Stskeepssonach: hmm, did you by chance add yourself?14:05
sonachthis is because the is  a soft link to But in the umodules.spec file, I do 'cp * %{buildroot}/usr/lib', so the is copied to rpm as a seperate file.14:05
sonachStskeeps: you mean, there is in mer-core?14:06
Stskeepsi think so14:06
sonachyes, I add it to umodules,14:06
Stskeepssonach: yes, mer provides in freetype package14:07
Stskeepsso you shouldn't need to add that yourself14:07
sonachStskeeps: because I can not decide which so depends on which, so I just copy the usr/lib/* of hi3716m to umodules:)14:07
sonachok, I think I should delete freetype in my umodules.14:08
sonachStskeeps: but '/sbin/ldconfig: /usr/lib/ is not a symbolic link'14:09
Stskeepsthat is a little more weird14:09
sonachok, I see,14:09
Stskeepsls libhipng* ?14:09
sonachI can just copy, and make the soft link by hand:)14:09
Stskeepsyes, for example14:10
Stskeepsclosed source binaries are always a mess to deal with14:10
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sonachStskeeps: In Mer wiki, Is any plan for 'Qt' parts?14:18
Stskeepssonach: in which sense?14:19
sonachah, in Architecture part,14:20
Stskeepsit'll be even more interesting once we have both qt4 and qt514:22
Stskeepsqt5 alpha1 is coming in next release14:22
Stskeepsqt4 will still work, naturally14:23
sonachgood :)14:23
sonachStskeeps: and you talked of OpenMobile on Mer14:24
sonachthat is porting android-support on Mer. Is there any further information?14:25
Stskeepsnot so far14:25
sonachso maybe it requres a lot of work? or it depends on the guys of OpenMobile?14:25
Stskeepsit depends on their work as it's not open source, sadly14:26
Stskeepsso we'll see if it happens or not14:26
Stskeepsi have to go - talk to you later14:26
sonachyes... not open source... but to us, it is not a problem. If OpenMobile's android can run on Mer, maybe TV vendors can buy it. But first, we should show TV vendors that this 'android' can work before they are willing to pay for it.14:28
sonachStskeeps: OK, see you :)14:28
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Sleepy_Codervgrade: kewl video of QML Viewer on Mer on the Raspberry Pi :o17:42
vgradeSleepy_Coder, well now thats an old one17:48
vgradeyou can find the adpatation packages linked from
Sleepy_Coderooh thanks :D17:51
vgradeand here on OBS,
* Sleepy_Coder wishes he could see the build error?17:53
Sleepy_Coder there we go17:54
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vgradeSleepy_Coder, looks like the update to python 2.7 has broken that pkg17:58
vgradebut its not required for the qml viewer18:00
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jbos_I currently look into building a mic bootstrap19:27
jbos_on a suse 11.419:27
jbos_all i get is BootstrapError: <bootstrap>Backend: zypp can't be loaded correctly19:27
jbos_it does not matter to have this19:28
jbos_have it in mic config19:28
Stskeepsi am a bit surpised to hear 'mic' has bootstrap functionality in the first place19:28
Stskeepswhat was the reason for the IMG troubles?19:28
jbos_mhm segfault in qemu-arm-static19:29
Stskeepsokay, and it wasn't using the mer sdk yet?19:29
jbos_can not really use kvm for img...19:29
jbos_lot of changed for me to do to get kvm working inside kvm...19:30
Stskeepsthat does sound a bit ugly yeah19:30
jbos_so i was looking into this bootstrap way..19:30
Stskeepstwo problems with that.. mer core itself isn't good enough for a full bootstrap, it has to be + tools19:31
Stskeepsand i think mic uses bootstrap only from one repo19:31
Stskeepsthat's why we've been doing sdk instead19:31
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jbos_guess I will just use a jenkins doing things inside a script and using the sdk19:32
Stskeepsalso possible19:32
jbos_well, ye I think its not really an option to use IMG... so only known way to work is kvm which i cant use19:33
Stskeepsi think it's because IMG mostly have been on top of iron directly19:34
Stskeepskeep in mind that image creations, like obs builds, are insecure unless inside a vm, though19:34
Stskeepsif you need to scale up19:34
Stskeepsunless inside a kvm made for the purpose, that is19:35
jbos_well yes, hey anyways. :) I need to go again, have some dinner ;) I will go the other way for now.19:35
jbos_(some ci doing it)19:36
jbos_:D yes19:36
* Stskeeps is working on x86 kernel tonight19:36
Stskeepssyncing with tizen ivi, no good reason for doing NIH19:36
jbos_sound like phfun19:36
Stskeepssolves some problems19:36
phaeronjbos_: what Stskeeps is saying is correct , imager used mostly for on bare iron building19:45
phaeronI'll look into what's wrong with mic + arm or else use the sdk19:46
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jstaniekhi Stskeeps! enjoyed the Polisgh n9 meeting?19:49
Stskeepsjstaniek: sure, was good to meet some more meego community in poland :) also discovered warsaw hackerspace now, think i'll start to attend there19:49
tadzikhave you been there already?19:50
Stskeepsyeah, went thursday19:50
tadzikhow was it?19:50
tadzikI've never been there actually, I just know some of the guys19:50
Stskeepsjstaniek: hackerspace.pl19:50
Stskeepsbrought my raspberry pi, so that brought a lot of attention19:50
Stskeepstadzik: quite nice, a bit like my office, though bigger and more equipment ;)19:50
Stskeepsand friendly atmosphere19:51
jstaniekStskeeps: already running Qt apps on the tizen device?19:55
jstaniekor bricked ?19:56
jstaniekI read on irclogs you bricked it ;)19:56
Stskeepsjstaniek: yeah, people have qt4.8 on it19:57
tadzikoh crap, I accidentally removed CSSU from my N90019:58
Stskeepsjstaniek: i bricked it myself by trying to restore the bootloader using the samsung pre-uboot bootloader :P19:58
Stskeepsjstaniek: and i haven't yet figured out how to make a formatted sd card that is bootable19:58
jstaniekBTW, if there's Qt-fanatic looking for permament job in Warsaw, I am still hiring ;)19:59
Stskeepsi'm still waiting for some answers on other possibilities but have considered to apply20:00
Bostikpoor bastard20:01
Bostikkeeping abreast on what happens to Qt is more than a full-time job :/20:02
jstaniekStskeeps: rly???!20:02
jstaniekBostik: well said...20:03
Stskeepsjstaniek: yeah, but let's see what happens - a job is a job :)20:04
Stskeepsjstaniek: though one thing i was curious about, if there's any policies about outside work open source project participation20:04
Stskeepsi know intel for example restricts this20:04
jstaniekStskeeps: I in particular took care about that from my day 1st20:05
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jstaniekStskeeps: and as for Polish law there's no way to restrict most things (except copying the code or designs into open space)20:05
jstaniekbut it's safer to work on loosely related things20:06
jstanieke.g. if I hack my own Fridge in spare time - this is clearly not good attitude; if I run a company I wouldn't like to have employees working this way20:07
Stskeepsyeah, same here20:07
jstaniekand this is not allowed by PL law, for sure20:07
Stskeepsthink it's similar in danish law too20:07
Stskeepsi'm having fun tonight making a mini mer with busybox and such, just to know that i can do it :P20:08
Bostikbusybox == pain20:08
Stskeepsit is20:08
Stskeepsbut if you've seen the dependency graph of the usual gnu utilities, you begin to understand20:09
Bostiknot right out, but the stripped-down nature of the included tools is nearly guaranteed to cause headaches when porting packages on top of a system where coreutils are busyboxed20:09
Bostik%post in particular tends to be a breeding ground for ever more inventiove abuses of obscure command options20:10
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phaeronjbos_: testing it now21:22
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phaeronha fixed  it21:54
phaeronjbos_: it's all about which qemu-arm is registered in /proc21:55
phaeronthe one from opensuse is broken21:55
phaeronthe one from mer works , but needs to  be registered correctly and mic checks and uses /usr/bin/qemu-arm (opensuse one) before checking for /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static21:56
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w00tStskeeps: - mostly a proof of concept at this stage.. but widgets!23:25
w00t - they rotate, too23:26
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