Wednesday, 2012-04-11

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E-P morning05:21
* Stskeeps starts out the day with a scratchbox2 upgrade05:24
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Stskeepsmorn Alison_Chaiken, how is it going?05:38
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Alison_ChaikenHey Stskeeps, had a major panic over failing demo this afternoon.05:42
Alison_ChaikenIt's my first *paid* demo ever, and I had borked it in a novel way, of course.05:42
* timoph knows the feeling05:43
Alison_ChaikenHowever, I cleverly fooled Murphy by travelling to worksite the *day before* my 3 one-hour presentations.05:43
Alison_ChaikenAnd now . . . I'd better not say, but things are much much better.05:43
timophknock wood05:43
Alison_ChaikenOne more bout of ritual chanting before I go to bed.05:43
* Stskeeps crosses fingers05:44
Alison_ChaikenAnd perhaps I can trap a hotel worker to perform a human sacrifice.05:44
Stskeepsi find furry animals work better, and they're in better supply05:44
Alison_ChaikenI'm in Los Angeles, so maybe some big cockroaches.05:44
Alison_ChaikenTruth is, I have a recording of the demo, so I could have used them.05:45
Stskeepsyeah, always have a plan B05:45
Alison_ChaikenWho knows, maybe audiences prefer YouTube to seeing a human turn knobs anyway.05:45
Stskeepsattention span, yeah05:46
Alison_ChaikenI feel less like a failure having gotten it to work, even if no one cares but me.05:46
Stskeepsi am still astonished how long people believed that the tablet ux demo (pre release) from far back from intel was actually flash ;)05:46
Alison_ChaikenHaving something work on Sunday and not tomorrow would really feel humiliating!05:46
Stskeepser, that it was actually real, and not flash, that is05:46
Alison_ChaikenNo kidding.   I saw lots of websites said it was flash.05:47
Alison_ChaikenSometimes you have to feel sorry for Intel.05:47
Stskeepsjust like computer science research.. solution presented in paper.. doesn't exist anywhere else, 'paperware' :)05:48
Alison_ChaikenI hope there Atom tablets are a success.   And Tizen too, although once I survive this trip, I will play with Archos tablet for a while with Mer.05:48
Stskeepsthey're going a 'ok' direction with tizen ivi at least05:48
Stskeepstizen handset i wouldn't touch with a 10 feet pole05:48
Alison_ChaikenYeah, I like Tizen-IVI, although I've decided to go to work with Mentor IVI for next job instead.05:48
Alison_ChaikenMentor is distro-agnostic, so potentially we could recommend Mer to customer . . .  and use Qt.05:49
Stskeepsinterestingily enough tizen ivi utilizes qt05:49
Alison_ChaikenPlus I get to work with smart Code Sourcery guys: should be great.05:49
Stskeepsand linaro participants..05:49
Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, not sure how much I know about Tizen-IVI is public, so um, yeah.05:50
StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: https://download.tizen.org05:50
Stskeeps-> preview, ivi, so, that's considered public in my eyes :P05:50
Alison_ChaikenWhen Vivaldi tablet is a big success, perhaps IVI customers will be interested in Mer.05:50
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Stskeepsperhaps, yeah - makes for a nice kit05:51
Stskeepswe'll see05:51
Alison_ChaikenHere's a wonderful interview with Aaron Seigo about Vivaldi and Mer, in case anyone missed it:05:52
* Stskeeps grabs05:52
Alison_ChaikenFrom 2/20, but full of great discussion.05:52
Alison_ChaikenJonathan Nadeau is awesome: a blind user of Linux!05:53
Alison_ChaikenEditing audio using orca, I guess.05:53
Stskeepsone of my buried projects is a UX for the blind on top of meego/mer05:53
Stskeepsas it's a great platform for working with that on top of05:53
Stskeepsand experimented05:53
Stskeepsmaybe i'll get back to that soem day05:54
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Alison_ChaikenRuben Rodriguez of Trisquel has made an installer that's easy for blind users and keeps out of the way of sighted ones.05:56
Alison_ChaikenAny distro could use it.   It's obvious stuff: goes to blind interface if user doesn't select a language after 5 minutes, or somesuch.05:56
Alison_ChaikenCtrl-C out of installer if this happens by mistake.05:56
Stskeepsmakes sense05:56
Stskeepstime to start today's work - good luck with the demo Alison_Chaiken !05:59
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Alison_ChaikenGood luck with today's work, Stskeeps.05:59
timophStskeeps: what was the thing blocking qtcreator with the sdk working properly?05:59
Stskeepstimoph: sysroot settings06:00
timophwith the cross targets06:00
Stskeepswe need to pass --sysroot= to the gcc06:00
timophso we might need to patch qtcreator06:00
Stskeepspossibly, or ask someone if it can be done06:00
Stskeepsit seems like a too big oversight06:00
timophI'd think they'd accept such a contribution upstream06:01
Stskeepstimoph: is there anything i can help with to move eat along?06:02
Stskeepslike, blockers06:02
timophit just needs to be done :)06:02
timophthere's nothing complicated in it06:02
Stskeepsok, so systemd services etc?06:02
timophbasically packaging ssh-keys is a great start06:02
timophI think we don't need them06:03
timophif we drop the selftest06:03
Stskeepsok, where do i find 'eat' in community obs atm?06:03
timophit had this experimental feature that it run all the tests it found after boot06:04
timophon the device itself06:04
timophI was never really happy about the solution06:04
timophthat seems to be the original meego version06:05
timophiirc the one in my home project is slightly modified06:06
Stskeepsso, i think a reasonable goal is that we can make images containing tests and eat, and be able to run testrunner from sdk against it06:07
timophanyway, the key thing is to provide passwordless access for tr-lite to the dut06:07
timophand set the environment so that we get sane test results06:08
Stskeepsi'm wondering how much of this we could put in the .ks if needed06:09
timophmost of it, maybe all06:10
timophexcept the host part06:10
Stskeepshost part contains keys, right?06:10
timophboth have keys06:10
timophwell. the device part has the public key06:11
timophand host both private and public06:11
timophneed to go for a while. brb06:12
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StskeepsSage: %post.. is that before or after user creation?06:16
Stskeepsin .ks06:16
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SageStskeeps: what user creation and why?06:35
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StskeepsSage: root / standard user account, if it's created at %post06:36
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Stskeepslike, before %post scripts are run06:38
Sage%post in rpm or .ks ? :D06:39
Sagethey should be done before that yes06:39
Stskeepswhy == looking into test enablers06:39
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Stskeepstimoph: writing a discussion post for how we could do test enablers in a mer fashion06:43
timophactually the .ks way might be easier the maintain with one drawback06:43
timophyou can't put the enablers on an existing image06:44
Stskeepsthat's true06:44
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Sagealso enables might get destroyed on updates06:45
* Sage has no idea what kind of things those are06:45
Stskeepstimoph: i was thinking to limit %post to a /usr/lib/install-eat-keys06:45
Stskeepsrest is kosher to enable06:45
Stskeepsas a packge06:45
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* timoph looks how it was done earlier06:46
Stskeepsmorn pirut06:47
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timophyeah. the device side is put directly to /root/.ssh/authorized_keys06:47
timophand the installkeys thing is installed to the host machine06:48
timophsince we don't know was user is used to run tr-lite, etc.06:48
timophso we left that to the user06:48
timophso one has to explicitly enable the keys in the host machine06:48
Stskeepsmakes sense06:49
Stskeepswe can do that in sdk somehow, perhaps06:49
Kaadlajktr-lite has parameter for sshkey location so that should be used06:49
Stskeepsis there a term for the 'host', btw?06:49
Stskeepslike there's DUT06:49
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timophI've seen "test control pc" used but that's really not a good term either06:50
timopheven though that is more clear06:51
Kaadlajkwith OTS it was worker PC06:51
Kaadlajknot that clear06:51
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timophso I'd say we can call it whatever makes sense to us :)06:53
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Kaadlajkanyway the host side SSH keys can be installed anywhere06:54
timophtrue. so the key install script is not really needed06:54
E-Pdid the tr-lite have a configuration file or do you have to always specify the SSH key path?06:55
KaadlajkE-P: no configuration file, by default it searches keys from $HOME/.ssh06:55
timophdunno if it would make sense to add support for conf files to it?06:56
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timophsomething like it'd read ~/.testrunner-lite.conf if exists and if not it'd use the defaults or override the config/defaults from provided params06:57
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E-Pwould be nice to have06:58
timophsampos: ^ ;)06:58
E-Pmy point was just, it is annoying to type everytime the SSH key path if the keys are not in the ~/.ssh/ :)06:59
* E-P is lazy06:59
timophand should help with ots setup too06:59
KaadlajkOTS is not lazy :P06:59
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timophStskeeps: your idea is to install the host side stuff into the sdk chroot?07:08
Stskeepsthen people can easily install test .xmls too07:08
timophthat actually would solve the problem of having to care about what distro people use07:08
E-P+1 for that idea07:08
timophI like the idea07:08
timophwe need to try ots with the sdk07:09
timophshould work07:09
E-Pwe only need the ots-worker to work in the sdk07:10
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E-Pthat requires python + amqplib to python07:11
Stskeepsharbaum: can give you a pretty good idea of what you need to do for lipstick07:11
harbaumCool, thanks07:11
harbaumUrgh ... i586 ...07:13
Stskeepsi know, just s/i586/armv7l/07:15
harbaumi just did M-x replace-string i586 armv7l07:15
harbaumAnd please don't send the police ...07:16
Stskeepsshould work, but you need to fi hardware adaptation07:16
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: are you familar with h.264 ?07:25
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StskeepsZiQiangHuan: not really07:26
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: ok,  I can play mpegts files which contains h264 video and aac audio. But when I play mp4 files, qtdemux parse them to h264 video and aac audio, but my hardware decoders cannot decode them.07:28
ZiQiangHuanit seems gstreamer plugins is more complex than my original thought of it.07:31
_av500_H264 in MP4 is in AVCC, you need to unpack that07:40
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ZiQiangHuan_av500_:  in AVCC?07:49
Stskeepsadvanced video coding, i think?07:52
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harbaumStskeeps: Lipstick seems to be running. But it seems compositing is broken. I think sometimes xterm runs fullscreen, but i still see the desktop07:55
Stskeepsharbaum: ok, do you have DRI enabled drivers?07:55
SageStskeeps: we need to have mer package naming guide, like "Test stuff to -test (or tests)", "Docs stuff to -doc (or -docs) etc."07:55
StskeepsSage: :nod:07:55
harbaumDon't know :-)07:55
StskeepsSage: task bug07:55
Stskeepsharbaum: get mer-gfx-tests and run eglinfo07:56
InformatiQStskeeps: do you know where do we set the worker arch?07:56
SageStskeeps: I noted tht atm. we have multiple different names used e.g. some are -doc and some -docs etc.07:56
StskeepsSage: fork meego's packaging/guidelines and put it on mer somewhere07:56
StskeepsInformatiQ: so, i think 'new' obs is different07:56
StskeepsInformatiQ: if you noticed, now OBS project configuration for cross compilation talks about Hostarch, which means "do cross builds on this type of worker"07:57
Stskeepsso the worker arch would probably be autodetected instead07:57
StskeepsMer has project configuration for arm build saying Hostarch: i586, for example07:57
Stskeeps(or x86_64, i forget)07:58
SageStskeeps: do we have entry for documetation or somethin gin mer bz?07:58
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SageMer Policies?07:58
StskeepsSage: sure07:59
Stskeepsharbaum: what driver version is that, and what xorg driver are you using?07:59
_av500_ZiQiangHuan: see here:
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: if you can't access that07:59
ZiQiangHuan_av500_:  thank you for the link08:00
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ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: yes, alaways we cannot access lots of link08:01
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harbaumStskeeps: That's the ti-omap3-gfx- binary blob from ti with the omapfb xorg driver08:02
Stskeepsharbaum: ah.. that's probably why compositor doesn't work08:03
Stskeepsyou need the one where dri works08:03
harbaumdoes that exist?08:03
Stskeepsyes, the crappy closed source pvr xorg driver.. i think08:04
harbaumwhich didn't run on the beagle ölast time i checked08:04
Stskeepsit doesn't?08:04
Stskeepsthat sucks..08:04
harbaumit didn't find the display08:05
Stskeepswell, that's why then08:06
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harbaumAlso that only exists for armv7hl, right?08:09
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Stskeepswhich, xorg driver?08:11
Stskeepsi was talking about TI's xorg driver, not n900 :)08:11
harbaumWhich repo is that in?08:12
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harbaumI think i missed some develmoment at ti :-)08:14
Stskeepspossibly :)08:14
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Stskeepseither way, that's the reason08:14
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harbaumAre these new drivers already in obs somewhere?08:20
Stskeepsi haven't seen them anywhere, i thin08:21
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harbaumNoone else has been working with omap3/4 lately?08:26
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Stskeepswe have with omap408:28
Stskeepsin other news,
harbaumwhat xserver did you use on omap4 then?08:31
Stskeepssage would know08:32
Sageharbaum: the one from mer08:33
dm8tbrfor SGX you want a 3.0 kernel or later08:34
StskeepsSage: merged zypper, gnutls08:35
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lbtmorning al08:46
Stskeepsmorn lbt08:46
lbtreading backlog08:47
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Stskeepslbt: 2.3.48 sb2 didn't yield the blockage problem, now testing .5108:49
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lbtblockage problem?08:51
Stskeepsyeah, builds utilitizng 2.3.47 had a stall in build-compare08:51
Stskeepswaiting for input08:51
lbtah, that one08:51
lbtok, coffee ... bbiab08:52
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StskeepsSage: whenever you have a moment,
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alteregoSo, what should I do for my birthday? Thinking a bike ride followed by beer and curry09:08
alteregoMaybe I'll go out and buy me something nice.09:09
Stskeepssounds like a plan09:09
Termanaalterego, is it your birthday today? Happy Birthday09:10
alteregoIs A09:10
alteregoit is09:10
Stskeepsand happy birthday :)09:10
Stskeepsalterego: did you have a n9?09:10
alteregoI have two :x09:10
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lbthappy birthday alterego \o/09:18
mdfe_happy birthday09:20
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Stskeepshello bfederau09:31
bfederauhi Stskeeps09:32
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?09:33
mdfe_Stskeeps: bfederau is a colleague of me and likes to support me09:35
bfederauI'm from basysKom and I want to help working on mer and plasma active.09:35
Stskeepsah cool :)09:36
Stskeepsif you have any questions, feel free to ask09:36
bfederauthanks. I will do this ;)09:37
harbaumStskeeps: Do you have some "new user auto detection" or how do you manage to reliably greet newbys?09:38
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Stskeepsharbaum: good memory and grep09:38
harbaumIs grep unrealiable if your computer has bad memory?09:39
Stskeepshehe ;)09:39
Stskeepsit does yield a fairly high success rate of getting to talk to people about what they'd like to use Mer for, so09:39
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dariornelashi there! When I try to umount mer-sdk-chroot it appears "There appears to be 2 chroot(s) still using this SDK  Process(es): 6581 6725"10:13
dariornelasand I already restarted the computer, the processes don't exist10:14
Stskeepslbt: ^10:15
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lbtdariornelas: OK - sorry, lost the src for a bit there :)10:23
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lbtso what's happening is that when you enter an SDK a pid file is created in $sdkroot/.active_chroots/10:24
lbtthese are removed when you leave10:25
lbtif you reboot without exiting the SDK they're left hanging around10:25
lbtensure_active_chroot_list_is_empty() could do with checking that the pids don't actually exist and then removing them  - patches welcome10:26
lbtfor now just delete the files in that dir10:26
dariornelasthanks ;)10:26
dariornelasnow when I try to build an image it says "Error <creator>: No enough space used for downloading.". I have 1.2GB, how much more space do I need?10:28
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dariornelasbtw, I following this guide
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vgradedariornelas, well you need at least 2gb for the image, plus say 1gb for the packages10:42
vgradedariornelas, I saw you had a problem with /dev/loop02, how did you get round that?10:43
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* Stskeeps grins10:52
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dariornelasvgrade: I think I just removed the old session file11:03
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dariornelasvgrade: I'm still getting that error when I try to create a raw image11:19
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pdanekhow much are people willing to pay for brand new Nokia N900 these days? :)11:26
Stskeepsask ebay11:26
Termanapdanek, are you getting rid of one? The shame!11:27
pdanekTermana: I will see if I get replacement from Nokia service or not11:28
pdanekTermana: if I do, I will sell it probably and buy Samsung SGSII, flash Boot to Gecko, and try something else :)11:28
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kimjubtw, what is latest status on running mer (+something) on panda board? with a quick glance on wiki, I found just a single image from Sage on 2011/1112:09
Stskeepssage runs it pretty nicely these days12:10
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kimjuI was asked to give a short demo of mer running on a pandaboard.12:17
Stskeepshave fun12:20
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Stskeepskimju: should work pretty easily12:29
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vgradedariornelas, loop error?12:51
vgradewhat distro?12:51
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Stskeepswell, i have fullscreen egl/gles working under mer on touchpad12:56
Stskeepsi'm a tiny bit worried about it seemingily doing 200fps though :)12:57
Sagekimju: the latest image is on latest nemo release13:04
Sagekimju: also the guide is in nemo installation guide13:04
Sagekimju: only problem is that it works only with pandaboard 4430 not the pandaboard es atm. I have update for the es support also but I don't have device to test it with13:05
kimjuthis seems to be model: pandaboard rev a313:06
dm8tbrmine sadly took a really bad beating on my flight back from the US13:09
dm8tbrso it's probably broken13:09
dm8tbrhave to try it though if it boots13:10
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mdfe_Stskeeps: may I ask why don't you publish source packages?13:14
Stskeepsmdfe_: long story short: the way OBS makes source rpms is a way that does not ensure that the .src.rpm is actually equal to the input that sits in the OBS, meaning that you don't get the .src.rpm needed to replicate the build13:15
Stskeepsand that's against a number of licenses13:16
mdfe_and you ensure this by the mer delivery system?13:16
Stskeepsmdfe_: in mer the way we make the binary packages is through fakeobs/MDS and our packages-git/ , which represents the exact source and method used to build it13:16
Stskeepsso anyone can replicate how they were made13:16
mdfe_great thanks for this fast answer13:17
Stskeepsthe sociological reason is that people tried to (including myself) to take meego source rpms and failing to make a complete meego copy with it13:17
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Stskeepsand i want to be sure that even if i'm run over by a bus, or the mer OBS is nuked from orbit, people can resurrect it :)13:18
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dariornelasvgrade: opensuse 12.113:58
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dariornelasbut if I use fs instead of raw, it works13:58
dariornelasand I'm having another problem, this partition /srv/mer/sdks/sdk/parentroot/home is always created with 1.6GB, how do I increase it?13:59
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vgradedariornelas, thanks for the version14:22
vgradedariornelas, yea, we only have the loop issue on raw images not fs14:22
vgradedariornelas, lbt correct me if I'm wrong but that is you home directory mapped into the sdk?14:23
lbtdariornelas: in the sdk the /parentroot directory is just a link to your desktop / .....14:27
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dariornelasahh ok14:28
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_av500_they found a sponsor?16:52
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Stskeepsvgrade: first day is .. empty?17:16
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* Stskeeps stares in disbelief17:19
_av500_Stskeeps: there is dinner17:22
Stskeepsi appreciate a good dinner17:22
_av500_3h is a good time for that17:22
vgradeseems weird, especially as they had 140 proposals and only excepted 4717:23
Stskeepsvgrade: ok, that's fairly normal17:23
Stskeepsvgrade: we had 200ish and was able to acccomodate 6717:23
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Stskeepsthe schedule isn't half bad, but the first day looks really bizarre17:25
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vgradefirst day you can spend playing with your new Samsung Tizen Handet17:34
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Stskeepstahats wednesday17:36
vgradepick one up for me17:39
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