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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: mor | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | morn ZiQiangHuan | 08:14 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: gst-plugins-bad-free is just a subpackage of gst-plugins-bad ? | 08:15 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i think it's a subset of -bad that does not contain codecs with patent issues | 08:16 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: patent issues? So I can't find mpegtsdemux in it. | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: yeah.. in some countries there is a lot of patents around MPEG and even serving binaries from a website can mean you need to pay to them | 08:18 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: look at the .spec file for gst-plugins-bad-free for the clean up scripts that's used to generate gst-plugins-bad | 08:19 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: Ok, I will have a look | 08:20 |
| Stskeeps | you'll probably have to do the build of that package in your own OBS, not build.pub.meego.com if you use 'original' gst-plugins-bad | 08:20 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage_: could you review http://review.merproject.org/478 ? | 08:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: sure | 08:25 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: done | 08:32 |
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| Stskeeps | ta | 08:33 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: btw, nspr and nss need to be accepted/reviewd manually I think as those depend on each other. | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | right now i'll do eglibc, then nspr/nss | 08:34 |
| Sage_ | :nod: let me know if there is regressions in there | 08:35 |
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| slaine | morning all | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | morn slaine o/ | 08:40 |
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| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2012/03/19/20-companies-showing-qt-at-iptv-world-forum/ might be interesting for you guys and sonach | 08:54 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: interesting | 08:56 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hi, Are there any dedicated packages in Mer to manage local storage devices, such as SDcard, harddisk, NANDflash? | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: well, as usual, it depends on what you want to do exactly | 08:57 |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: what are you hoping to do exactly? | 08:58 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: hmm, for example, If I want to access my SDcard. I think it is dangerous for an app to do fopen/fread/fwrite/rm, | 08:59 |
| lbt | morning | 08:59 |
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| sonach | lbt: morning! What is the default username and password for OpenSuse11.4's OBS? I forget it... | 09:00 |
| sonach | lbt: I tried 'Admin' and "opensuse', but failed. Or where does this save? | 09:00 |
| lbt | Admin/opensuse iirc | 09:00 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: not really, in n900 we allow that fine -- the trick is that there is a sensor in the back cover of the device so you can tell when a SD card is being removed | 09:01 |
| lbt | OBS has a mysql DB runing on the frontend | 09:01 |
| sonach | lbt: oops... Admin/opensuse is good. thank you:) | 09:01 |
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| lbt | good | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it's all about signaling to applications that a certain device is no longer available for them to use/write to | 09:02 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK. Is the sensor corresponds to some packages in Mer? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: we don't really have a generic daemon for that right now -- perhaps it's a good idea to make a list of why you think it's dangerous for an app to do fopen/fread/fwrite etc | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | and what scenarios you are trying to prevent | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | perhaps something like 'udisks' would do the trick | 09:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: the simplest example is, one app create a file, another app can not delete this file. | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: ah, that's sandboxing | 09:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: So, does Mer have sandboxing? | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it does not provide a standard solution because there's many different ways to do it | 09:06 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: but for security, it is very important... | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: what kind of apps are we thinking about? html5? | 09:07 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: HTML5 and Java. and of course HTML5 is the most important. | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | for html5 the tendency right now is that the web runtime is the one doing the sandboxing | 09:09 |
| lbt | sonach: what if I installed 2 photo viewer/managers ? would they be able to see and edit photos uploaded by each other? | 09:09 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, I see, I will do some research on this:) | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: other initiatives include things like using libsmack/SMACK | 09:12 |
| sonach | lbt: hmm... Maybe not a good way to installed 2 same apps? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: proper mobile security is a hard topic :) | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | for example, you may want to send a picture from your gallery to for example, your blog | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | so there needs to be security permissions to let the blog app publish | 09:13 |
| lbt | sonach: that's one where, on certain device classes like mobile, users have *many* apps to manage or show photos | 09:14 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: Yes:) And I find 'udisks' maybe the exact thing I am looking for in order to manager local storage device! | 09:14 |
| lbt | eg a dedicated image editor, a slideshow app with fancy transitions, a wallpaper app | 09:15 |
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| lbt | and each app can have 'extra features' - like crop or colour adjust ... which of course typically needs edit | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, how did sb2 go? | 09:16 |
| lbt | "Hello world" | 09:16 |
| sonach | lbt: yes. I will do some research:) | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: congrats | 09:17 |
| lbt | sonach: it's fascinating stuff - but very hard to get a good balance | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.openwebosproject.org/overview.html | 09:17 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: and what is the package for managing wifi in Mer. (something like bluez for bluetooth) | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: connman | 09:18 |
| sonach | ah, I see. | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | it manages ethernet too | 09:19 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: And Is Mer planning to integrate 'udisks' into mer-core? | 09:19 |
| sonach | or something like 'udisks', | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: it used to be part, i think i ran into some problems with it | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | i can't recall right now what they were | 09:20 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: You have tried to integrate it, but met some problems, and then ignored it for the moment? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: i had udisks in the very first attempts to make mer core and yes, met some problems and decided it wasn't important to get things working at first | 09:22 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, I see. I think we will need it later. maybe I can integrate it for Mer, hehe :) | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | sure, contributions welcome :) | 09:23 |
| sonach | OK, thank you for the information. | 09:24 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: we should update qmf as well btw. | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes, i know | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | right now i just want to fix the eglibc build error first | 09:32 |
| Sage_ | 2012W09 upstream, 2011W48 harmattan, and 2011W13 us. | 09:32 |
| Sage_ | :nod: just wanted to point it out | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | task bug please | 09:33 |
| Sage_ | done | 09:35 |
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| Stskeeps | morn e8johan, feeling better today? | 09:35 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: thanks | 09:35 |
| e8johan | thanks for asking, better but out of sync | 09:35 |
| e8johan | don't know what hit me yesterday... | 09:36 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: saw my rf-kill thing btw with panda? | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: yes, i wasn't sure if it was panda or what it was :) | 09:36 |
| Sage_ | http://pastie.org/3633119 and http://pastie.org/3633133 | 09:36 |
| Sage_ | yes panda | 09:36 |
| Sage_ | I had it working at some point already so wondering what is wrong. | 09:36 |
| e8johan | Stskeeps: did you see my comment on https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=226 | 09:36 |
| e8johan | any thoughts? | 09:36 |
| * lbt will learn to spell Johan too | 09:37 | |
| Stskeeps | e8johan: will look at it after sage's rfkill stuff, oment | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | moment | 09:37 |
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| e8johan | lbt: np :-) | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: rfkill unblock 0 does what? | 09:38 |
| Sage_ | e8johan: that xcb update seems trivial thing to do. Just update all three packages separately all are separate packages in mer core. Or I missed something | 09:38 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: nothing | 09:38 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: no rfkill unblock commands work | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: what MAC does the ifconfig have? | 09:39 |
| e8johan | thing is, xcb-util has been split into multiple source packages | 09:39 |
| e8johan | question is if that should be reflected in the rpms | 09:39 |
| Sage_ | 2E:00:70:F0:XX:XX | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | e8johan: is it same source tarball though? | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | or multiple | 09:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: does /dev/rfkill exist? | 09:41 |
| Sage_ | e8johan: we should probably package the xcb-util only for now | 09:41 |
| e8johan | multiple | 09:41 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes | 09:41 |
| e8johan | http://xcb.freedesktop.org/dist/ | 09:42 |
| lbt | clearly there weren't *enough* packages around X11 | 09:42 |
| e8johan | if you look at xcb-util-image/keysyms/renderutil/wm, you can see that they where split in 0.3.8 | 09:42 |
| Stskeeps | e8johan: so, in mer it's a bug if they rely straight on xcb-util, they should rely on pkgconfig(xcb-stuff) instead | 09:42 |
| * Sage_ goes to lunch bbl | 09:42 | |
| e8johan | which is what Qt 5 does, but that breaks with the new layout - I had to add specific xcb-util-*-devel, perhaps one could convert it into pkgconfig deps, but it still means a change to the Qt 5 spec... | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | right | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/3633720 is what current xcb-util provides | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | so yes, we'll need additional source packages for -wm, -renderutil, -keysyms, -image | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | you can probably just copy the spec and the yaml and sed a bit | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | you/one | 09:46 |
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| e8johan | I've got basic specs for those packages working now, I'm just fiddling with getting Qt 5 to build nicely with them... | 09:52 |
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| e8johan | then I needed to nag someone to create new packages... who could that be :-D | 09:52 |
| * Stskeeps hides ;) | 09:53 | |
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| Stskeeps | if you give me the names for the source packages i'll get them made now | 09:55 |
| lbt | you can/should do the initial testing on c.obs though | 09:55 |
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| e8johan | lbt: I need to read up on your process... :-) | 09:55 |
| e8johan | but this works on Pelagicore's OBS now https://gitorious.org/~e8johan/qt-spec-effort/e8johan-qt-specs | 09:56 |
| lbt | OK | 09:56 |
| lbt | do you have a c.obs account? | 09:56 |
| Bostik | e8johan: I just picked your fixes to my original tree (the one ahma used for baseline) | 10:03 |
| Bostik | thanks a lot | 10:03 |
| e8johan | np | 10:03 |
| e8johan | there will be more :-) | 10:03 |
| Bostik | once the qt5 alpha churn is done I will probably modify the script to use given tags/commits for each component... | 10:06 |
| e8johan | I guess having the alpha out of the door will reduce the moving-target-factor as well | 10:07 |
| e8johan | which would be nice | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | just be sure to have the qt-project release independent tarballs and not one huge one like they did for alpha prerelease | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | i already raised the issue | 10:08 |
| Bostik | Stskeeps: johan has same stuff as ahma; thus my scripts, my specs, your needs :) | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | point | 10:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:09 |
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| e8johan | FYI https://gitorious.org/xcb-spec-effort/xcb-spec-effort | 10:18 |
| lbt | popping out for about 1hr | 10:19 |
| e8johan | bbl | 10:31 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: any other things for the rf-kill in mind? | 10:39 |
| slaine | running mds update | 10:39 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: something I've not seen mentioned explicitly, is Mer aiming for release milestones or will it be a rolling release | 10:40 |
| slaine | lbt, ^ | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: not off hand, see if ubuntu has same issue? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: general principle is that we try to release stable every single time | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | we don't nearly have enough test coverage though | 10:41 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: ubuntu uses dkms and compiles its own module for that AFAIK | 10:41 |
| slaine | I've been laying the groundwork with my managers about adopting Mer | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: the idea is that vendors will feed back regressions if they're seen | 10:41 |
| slaine | very early stages | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | and you can fork at any point | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | and cherry pick yourself, ideally run test cases too on your own core programme | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: really? | 10:42 |
| slaine | but it's being received well as they can see the sense in the approach and how it aligns with our diverging hardware lines | 10:42 |
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| slaine | It's not a question that's been asked, but I'll probably be down at head office next week, to give a presentation on Mer to them | 10:42 |
| slaine | and it'll likely come up then. | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | right | 10:43 |
| slaine | So, to that end, I want to get my plan in place this week, get OBS up and running properly and building nemo mobile for my n900 and Ideapad | 10:44 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/57660888/tiwlan-wl1271_0.24.9-0ubuntu6.diff.gz | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | think of mer as being continously integrated, ie, we're ready for release at any time, to the vendor we push rolling releases in a linear fashion, with ability to fork off any given release and cherry pick updates if desired | 10:44 |
| Sage_ | latest update 2010 though | 10:44 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: yup, it's basically very close to how we're currently operating anyways | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: and hopefully we'll accompany with a bunch of automated/manual tests so it's easier to maintain a 'stable' mer version too | 10:46 |
| slaine | I'm going to argue the point that we've effectively been using Fedora in the same manner for the last few years, we've our own kernel and drivers (HA), Fedora is the Core OS and we've our own UX layer (modified FireFox, VLC etc.) | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: .. and then, when we need to regress, we'll up the major version number | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | ie, 0 -> 1 | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | for example moving to qt5 as default, or other things | 10:47 |
| slaine | We use a rolling update approach with Fedora and it's updates til we're ready to freeze and then we lock down the Core OS part. | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:47 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | and you can cherry-pick package updates too | 10:48 |
| slaine | Exactly | 10:48 |
| slaine | the biggest change will actually be using OBS | 10:48 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: connman controls rfkill apparently as well :) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: ooh. | 10:48 |
| slaine | as right now I've scripts that do everything | 10:48 |
| Sage_ | didn't know that myself | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: so maybe that's what keeps it off | 10:48 |
| Sage_ | :nod: | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: well, that's another thing, less bus factor | 10:49 |
| slaine | from setting up frozen repo's to creating build vm's to creating builds for QA | 10:49 |
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| Stskeeps | when it comes to the CI releases and so on, show them the git repos of packages and project core and let their imaginations think of how it could look | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | it will enable good agility for rebasing and modernize core and hence systems | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | as well as a key argument from conversations lately.. it's a hell lot easier to QA 332 packages than 10000+ | 10:51 |
| slaine | Well, we currently end up with about 800+ packages, I'm hoping that'll drop with a rebase on Mer | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | one other thing though, we're exporting a bit of the responsibility to help QA core to vendors | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | so to ensure quality it's in their best interest to help QA their share, for example report back bugs / run automated tests on your systems, etc | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | and it's significantly easier to identify an issue when it entered core than when it's in production systems | 10:56 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: Yes, that will be part of my presentation "With great power comes great responsibility", i.e. we'll have more work to do that trusting to red hat to QA their system | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 10:57 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo SD69 | 11:01 |
| SD69 | hello | 11:01 |
| Stskeeps | how is it going? | 11:01 |
| SD69 | busy, busy, busy | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | i know the feeling, so much stuff to do, so little time | 11:02 |
| SD69 | So, Mer may take on COBS...? | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | we're having a meeting in ~5 hours on how community obs could look like | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | as there's an obvious interest | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | there's however a couple of things to clear up since i don't want a COBS to affect with potential takedowns and other patent issues, the mer project/core itself | 11:04 |
| Stskeeps | so we're trying to make a proper division | 11:05 |
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| SD69 | stskeeps: has there been discussion of the targets for COBS? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | SD69: nop, sounds like a good discussion topic | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | SD69: however, someone needs to invest time into enabling cross compilation support for Fremantle/Harmattan, as the build jobs will clog up the little resources it'll have | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | it's already straining meego.com cobs | 11:09 |
| Stskeeps | SD69: there's also other interesting issues such as the closed binaries in fremantle/harmattan that people need to build against, but that may be solveable | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | as it was in COBS | 11:11 |
| SD69 | stskeeps: is there a specific reason to move COBS from appsformeego? | 11:15 |
| timoph | afaik formeego pulls packages from cobs | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | SD69: it was never there in the first place | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | SD69: build.pub.meego.com is the backend for appsformeego and build.pub.meego.com will go away eventually | 11:16 |
| timoph | not sure though since haven't really looked into it | 11:16 |
| timoph | I thought so | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | howeeever, the appsformeego repos/sources themselves are transplantable to other places | 11:17 |
| X-Fade | That is correct. The repos living on cobs are master for afm. | 11:17 |
| timoph | what time the cobs meeting is? | 11:20 |
| X-Fade | 19:00 UTC today. | 11:20 |
| timoph | thanks | 11:21 |
| timoph | I'll try to make it | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | Ehm. sorry AFM meeting that is ;) | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | 19:00 UTC? | 11:21 |
| X-Fade | No, not cobs. | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | ah, AFM | 11:21 |
| * timoph is confused | 11:21 | |
| * X-Fade was too | 11:22 | |
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| X-Fade | Sorry for spreading confusion :) | 11:22 |
| timoph | so there's a separate meeting for "what to do regarding cobs" | 11:22 |
| timoph | ah. 16UTC for the cobs replacement discussion | 11:24 |
| timoph | the mail doesn't mention a place though. quessing mer-meeting | 11:25 |
| timoph | vgrade: ^ | 11:25 |
| vgrade | yes mer-meeting, I'll send a reminder with that update | 11:26 |
| timoph | thanks | 11:26 |
| vgrade | timoph it was on the doodle page but good to have it in email as well | 11:27 |
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| Sage_ | Stskeeps: yes, it is connman that causes that | 11:27 |
| Sage_ | it handles rfkill as well | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | so turn on the eth? | 11:28 |
| Stskeeps | er, wifi | 11:28 |
| Sage_ | yes, and now it is up | 11:28 |
| Sage_ | does PA people use connman? | 11:29 |
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| vgrade | Sage_ , yes though they are thinking about networkmanager | 11:33 |
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| vgrade | Sage_, why do youask? | 11:36 |
| lbt | slaine: I've been putting together some ideas on presenting Mer - we should chat | 11:42 |
| slaine | <in meeting> cool | 11:43 |
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| Sage_ | vgrade: just wondering if the connman api change will cause problems to them or not. | 11:46 |
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| vgrade | Sage, They don't have any gui to setup things on their Mer build and are using connman test scripts atm so I don't think they have anything depending on it apart from it bringing up a wifi network | 11:52 |
| vgrade | Sage_, with the connect-service script | 11:52 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: in Mer's repo, the verison of gst-plugins-bad-free is 0.10.21 ? | 12:23 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: i'm not sure it's in Mer, i think it's in Nemo/CE's | 12:23 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: hmm, I compile gst-plugins-bad-free-0.10.22 successfully, then I copy mpegtsdemux package into gst-plugins-bad-free/gst/ and rebuild it. | 13:09 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: when I use gst-inspect-0.10 mpegtsdemux , got the error '/usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegtsdemux.so': /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstmpegtsdemux.so: undefined symbol: gst_element_class_add_static_pad_template | 13:10 |
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| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: I found that there are differences for mpegtsdemux between 0.10.21 and 0.10.22, so I'll try the 0.10.21 verison | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 13:21 |
| Sage_ | Stskeeps: qt5base is ok, but hard to read :) | 13:21 |
| Sage_ | as long as there is 5 in the name I'm ok :) | 13:22 |
| Sage_ | or well "qt5" string | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | Sage_: mostly because to sync with qtonpi efforts | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | less problems in future | 13:22 |
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| Sage_ | well qtbase is just a name that will bite us in the future | 13:23 |
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| slaine | lbt, Is the OBS Setup wiki page still upto date ? | 14:40 |
| slaine | I'm making a start on the OBS Backend setup | 14:40 |
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| lbt | slaine: it should be | 14:59 |
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| slaine | lbt, Is the MySQL Setup step for the API/FrontEnd or for both ? | 15:10 |
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| lbt | single mysql which is used for both api/webui | 15:10 |
| lbt | not used at all by be | 15:11 |
| slaine | grand, just wasn't sure where the frontend section ended and the both resumed | 15:11 |
| lbt | yeah ... diagrams needed | 15:11 |
| sebas | after entering the mer-sdk, I'm getting an error calling sudo: | 15:12 |
| lbt | hmm | 15:12 |
| sebas | MerSDK bash-3.2$ sudo whoami | 15:12 |
| sebas | sudo: must be setuid root | 15:12 |
| lbt | ah | 15:12 |
| slaine | I guess it ends at the point where it starts talking about the webui/API stuff | 15:12 |
| sebas | -rwsr-xr-x 2 root root 71600 Feb 18 23:00 /usr/bin/sudo | 15:12 |
| sebas | (sorry to interrupt) | 15:12 |
| slaine | I'll reboot the VM and make sure it comes back up with the services started | 15:12 |
| lbt | sebas: np .... I'm suspecting a usb HDD ? | 15:13 |
| lbt | almost certainly mounted nosuid ? | 15:13 |
| sebas | it's on a disk mounted in /media | 15:13 |
| lbt | yeah - removable ones are typically mounted nosuid - check 'mount' from the host | 15:13 |
| sebas | hm, LABEL=storage /media/storage ext4 noatime,user,acl,exec 1 2 | 15:14 |
| sebas | you're right :) | 15:14 |
| * lbt shouts at whoever promised to edit the wiki !! bad person! | 15:15 | |
| * sebas dutifully edits the wiki | 15:15 | |
| lbt | hmm | 15:16 |
| lbt | sec | 15:16 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/index.php?title=Platform_SDK&diff=1134&oldid=1133 | 15:16 |
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| lbt | <blush>.... I seem to have deleted it :D | 15:18 |
| * sebas added a note | 15:18 | |
| lbt | ah, it was here http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Installation_.2F_setup | 15:19 |
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| sebas | lbt: adding "suid" in fstab helped, btw | 15:26 |
| lbt | good | 15:27 |
| lbt | let me know of any other problems - I'm hoping to get another SDK out soon but I'm prepping for the OBS meeting | 15:27 |
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| Stskeeps | in other news, free apps for phones take up more battery than paid ones | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | .. because of ads | 15:52 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-17431109 | 15:52 |
| slaine | lbt, I'm not familiar with mysql, so quick question on the setup of Mysql on the API/Webui VM | 15:53 |
| lbt | yep | 15:54 |
| slaine | The section for creating the user details a usernames 'obs', I assume this is a virtual user in mysql space, not a real user account | 15:54 |
| slaine | … | 15:54 |
| slaine | TO 'obs'@'%', 'obs'@'localhost' IDENTIFIED BY '************'; | 15:54 |
| slaine | ... | 15:55 |
| slaine | The above sentence was nonsense, sorry. The section for granting privileges | 15:55 |
| Stskeeps | REMINDER: Replacement for MeeGo Community OBS meeting in #mer-meeting in 5 minutes | 15:55 |
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| lbt | slaine: sorry - missed that - in meeting | 16:14 |
| slaine | me too, no worries | 16:14 |
| slaine | can wait til the mer-meeting is over | 16:14 |
| lbt | it is a mysql user, yes | 16:14 |
| slaine | grand | 16:14 |
| slaine | ta | 16:14 |
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| slaine | hmmm, rake is failing | 16:19 |
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| sebas | BuildService API error: can't verify packages due to lack of GPG keys | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | --no-verify | 16:39 |
| sebas | ^^ what can I do if osc build tells me that ? | 16:39 |
| sebas | ah :) | 16:39 |
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| sebas | with osc build, I'm getting a lot of those: | 17:25 |
| sebas | file /bin/bash from install of sb2-tools-armv7hl-inject-1.0-1.25.armv7hl conflicts with file from package bash-1:3.2.51-1.9.armv7hl | 17:25 |
| sebas | subsequently exits, without actually building anything | 17:25 |
| sebas | any hint? | 17:25 |
| sebas | osc build --no-verify CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl armv8el kdepimlibs.spec --local-package | 17:25 |
| sebas | ^^ how I build | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | sebas: bugs.merproject.org bug 22 | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | er, 221 | 17:26 |
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| sebas | Stskeeps: aye, thanks! | 17:29 |
| * lbt had better get a new SDK out | 17:30 | |
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| mdfe_ | Stskeeps: last state of my pulseaudio update investigation: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=README-patches&package=pulseaudio&project=home%3Amdfe%3Apulseaudio&rev=76bb35992db0270a385de25bf034afd9 | 17:33 |
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| sebas | Stskeeps: looking better now :) | 17:39 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2012-03-19/fesco.2012-03-19-18.00.log.html#l-277 F18 Feature: ARM as Primary Arch -- https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/FedoraARM | 17:52 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: still around? | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: yup | 19:28 |
| timoph | was thinking about the "self" testing image | 19:30 |
| timoph | shouldn't be too hard to do since we have the test assets and tools already | 19:30 |
| timoph | basically we need a script that call tr-lite and after the image boots | 19:31 |
| timoph | was thinking the nemo vm image might be a good place to start | 19:31 |
| * dm8tbr was about to say: kvm :) | 19:32 | |
| timoph | although I'd prefer an image without ux | 19:32 |
| timoph | :) | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: just make a image without uxlaunch maybe | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | or changed xdg autostart /usr/share/xsesssions | 19:33 |
| timoph | the real questing is where to launch the script | 19:33 |
| * timoph still can't type | 19:33 | |
| timoph | anyway. I'll fist do it manually as a proof of concept before doing any packages for it | 19:34 |
| timoph | and another question is that how do we know when the system has settled down enough to begin testing | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | well you can set it as the session script | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | see .ks'es | 19:36 |
| * timoph looks | 19:38 | |
| dm8tbr | timoph: how about when the sysload drops below a certain threshold :) | 19:39 |
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| timoph | dunno if systemd has something similar to upstart where in maemo there's a signal for "desktop ready" | 19:41 |
| timoph | or something like that | 19:42 |
| timoph | I'll just start hacking the vm image and see what I'll end up with :) | 19:44 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Timoph <- staging testrunner-lite's test definition xml writing instructions there | 20:27 |
| timoph | (moving and updating them from meego) | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | cool | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | ta | 20:27 |
| timoph | damn. this machine starts getting hot when running the vm image | 20:28 |
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| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: nyx got released, btw | 20:35 |
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| Stskeeps | bigbluehat: it's curious they're taking a kind of phonegap-ish approach | 20:36 |
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| bigbluehat | yo! | 20:45 |
| bigbluehat | how did I miss that :) | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | it was very silent | 20:45 |
| bigbluehat | bother :/ | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | nyx isn't base system, it's more like a HAL | 20:45 |
| bigbluehat | really odd they run so stealth | 20:45 |
| bigbluehat | oh | 20:45 |
| bigbluehat | odd | 20:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, they live up to their plans | 20:45 |
| bigbluehat | :) that's good at least | 20:46 |
| bigbluehat | part of what slows me down with keeping up (heh) is that adding their RSS feeds to a reader is a labor of love | 20:46 |
| bigbluehat | one I've not yet bothered doing :) | 20:46 |
| bigbluehat | any usefulness to #mer? | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, if they continue this direction they might actually accomplish a sane web runtime across many different devices | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | someone's being clever there | 20:47 |
| bigbluehat | ? me? | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | as in, someone's clever in webos offices | 20:48 |
| bigbluehat | ah, how so? | 20:49 |
| bigbluehat | just in how they're approaching all this? | 20:49 |
| bigbluehat | lots of the ideas in #webos are genius imo | 20:50 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 20:50 |
| bigbluehat | nothing major | 20:50 |
| bigbluehat | just small things done right | 20:50 |
| bigbluehat | (not always well, mind you…but right :) ) | 20:50 |
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| bigbluehat | by that I mean there's a lots of little niggling bugs in webOS 3.0.5 | 20:51 |
| bigbluehat | the architecture seems solid | 20:51 |
| bigbluehat | as does the UI approach | 20:51 |
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| bigbluehat | anyway, thanks for the tip Stskeeps :) | 20:52 |
| Stskeeps | np | 20:52 |
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| sebas | which repo do you guys recommend for getting the package "zsh" in my sdk? | 21:44 |
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| sebas | does anybody know which arch I need to build for the vivaldi image? | 21:57 |
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| Stskeeps | sebas: probably armv7l | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | see topic | 22:11 |
| sebas | Stskeeps: aye, thanks | 22:15 |
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| lbt | really, 6/4 eh? | 23:02 |
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