Monday, 2012-02-20

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EB_Hello, Mer community!00:02
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EB_Is it as yet possible to download an image of Mer for testing, say, on VirtualBox?00:03
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StskeepsSage_: could you prep a libpng 1.5.9 submit, see ?05:44
Stskeepslbt: happy birthday!06:00
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Stskeepsmorn araujo06:01
araujoStskeeps, morning o/ :)06:02
dcthangah happy birthday lbt! :-)06:08
Stskeepslbt: i've updated merproject/open-build-service to latest upstream06:12
Stskeepsshould fix search issue06:12
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Stskeepshello ccc06:18
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Stskeepshi omlx :)06:26
omlxStskeeps: Hi06:26
Stskeepsomlx: welcome :) so what brings you here to #mer ?06:26
omlxI just want to ask how far Mer & spark support Arabic language ?06:27
Stskeepsah, that's a good question - Mer itself should support it fine, but fonts may have to be included on the image for Spark. Qt 4.8.0 should support right-to-left language support quite well06:29
Stskeepsif it's not working, it's a bug and we'll try to fix it06:29
omlxGreat, what can I do to testing that?06:30
StskeepsPlasma Active may have their own issues with internationalization but they base heavily on qt06:31
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Stskeepsfor Spark, joining #active and asking for perhaps images to boot on a pc and seeing what support they have yourself06:31
Stskeepswhat do you mean exactly by support arabic language, out of curiousity?06:32
omlxStskeeps: I mean is it read and write in good way ( Right to Left )06:33
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omlxso the arabic support depends on Plasma Active not Mer, am I right ?06:35
Stskeepsit's a bit of a combination of both06:35
StskeepsMer needs to support it in the qt frameworks (which i think it does) and Plasma needs to support it in their UI06:35
Stskeepsand input methods06:36
omlxStskeeps: thank you for a quick answer I will go to Plasma Active room.06:39
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Stskeepsno problem, please file bugs against mer if we for some reason miss support in the core for right to left languages :)06:40
Stskeepsgood morning sonach06:40
sonachmorning, stskeeps,06:40
sonachStskeeps: Now I am going to test my local MerDS, maybe need you help:)06:41
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sonachStskeeps: All the stuff I need was downloaded to local machine06:41
Stskeepssonach: sure, i'm around for ~3 hours or so as i have a lunch downtown06:42
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sonachah, that is fine:)06:42
Stskeepssonach: so, first check that you can ping your merds/fakeobs IP from your OBS machine and then curl http://<THE IP>:8001/public/source/Core:i586 from the OBS machine06:44
sonachStskeeps: my merds and OBS are on the same machine,06:45
Stskeepsok, still a good check to do anyway :)06:46
sonachStskeeps: it return error: curl: (52) Empty reply from server06:47
sonachmaybe I should restart
sonachI run before I "make update" to download rpm biniaries,06:47
Stskeepssonach: yes, restart and keep it open until you see error or xml from curl06:48
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sonachStskeeps: after restarting "", now the 'curl' command is OK,06:50
Stskeepswhat do you use with osc -A to communicate with your obs?06:52
Stskeepsas in, what API http06:54
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sonachStskeeps: the API http is, and I can "osc -A checkout home:zhanghui",06:55
Stskeepsok, good06:55
Stskeepsand fakeobs is
Stskeepsok, osc -A meta prj -e Mer.MDS06:56
Stskeepsah, need other command06:57
Stskeepsexit editor06:57
Stskeepsok, osc -A meta prj -e MerDS  instead06:57
sonach:) I am downloading it now!06:58
Stskeepsand remove all content, replace with
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Stskeepssave, exit editor06:58
sonachhmm, I have added it already by WebUI last Friday,06:59
Stskeepsah, ok06:59
Stskeepsosc -A ls MerDS:Core:i586 then06:59
Stskeepsdoes it show packages?07:00
Stskeepsas in package names07:01
sonachyes, it shows a list of packages names,07:01
Stskeepsexcellent :)07:01
sonachNow I think I should add one package, and modify the configure to build against MerDS?07:02
Stskeepsosc -A checkout MerDS:Core:i586 acl07:02
Stskeepsjust running some quick tests to be sure those work07:02
sonachacl is checkouted,07:03
Stskeepsyes, add a package and modify configuration/repositories ('meta') to build against MerDS07:04
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Sage_Stskeeps: sure07:15
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Sage_Stskeeps: done07:24
* Stskeeps sends it for testing07:26
sonachStskeeps: I reports "No build result available" on the webUI,07:29
sonachhow to diagnosis this?07:29
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Stskeepssonach: show me the project meta07:30
sonachStskeeps: ok07:30
Stskeepssonach: ps aux | grep bs_sched07:32
sonachStskeeps: obsrun    2979  0.0  0.2  21340  5600 ?        S    Feb01   0:00 /usr/bin/perl -w ./bs_sched i58607:33
Stskeepssonach: ok, /etc/sysconfig/obs-server , find OBS_SCHEDULER_ARCHITECTURES= , change to OBS_SCHEDULER_ARCHITECTURES="i586 x86_64 armv7el armv8el mips"07:36
Stskeepsand rcobsscheduler restart07:37
Stskeepsand show me ps aux | grep bs_sched afterwards07:37
sonachStskeeps: now it is "OBS_SCHEDULER_ARCHITECTURES="i586 armv7el armv8el". this is not enough?07:37
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sonachStskeeps: after change, now the package is being built:)07:40
Stskeepssonach: ok, let me know how it goes07:40
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sonachStskeeps: but why the original "i586 armv7el armv8el" is not work?07:40
Stskeepssonach: i think it just needed a restart of the scheduler07:41
Stskeepsas in you didn't restart scheduler after changing OBS_SCHEDULER_ARCHITECTURES last time07:41
sonachStskeeps: still building.... the build process is very slow...07:47
Stskeepssonach: yes, normally it's best to keep build worker apart from the obs itself07:47
Stskeepssonach: hmm, can you osc -A ls MerDS:Core:i586 | grep scratchbox2 for me?07:49
sonachStskeeps: yes, they are on the same server. hmm, how many servers is the better? only for OBS, one for worker, one for merDS?07:49
sonachStskeeps: yes, sb2 is there,07:50
Stskeepsah, no wonder it runs slowly then :)07:50
sonachStskeeps: Now we can add servers. So ideally, I think we need at least 3 servers: obs server, worker and merDS. right?07:51
sonachI don't know the better configuration for this,07:52
sonachI don't know a good configuration for this,07:52
Stskeepssonach: merds can technically be on same server as obs server07:52
sonachhmm, but now only one worker is working...07:53
Stskeepssonach: go to obs-projects/Core in merds directory and git checkout db08d70258b5a53689fcee3d3deb94926015ff2607:53
sonachah, I forget this!07:53
Stskeepsthat will get you to the not sb2 release07:54
Stskeepsright now it doesn't do any kind of cross compile, so it is very very slow :)07:54
Stskeepsbecause it doesn't understand how to enable sb207:54
sonachok, i will do this at once,07:54
sonachafter that, Is there anything to be restarted?07:54
Stskeepsyou might have to osc rebuild your package for it to pick up the change07:55
Stskeepsor remove and re-add the repository07:55
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Stskeeps[08:54] <sonach> after that, Is there anything to be restarted?07:57
Stskeeps[08:55] <Stskeeps> you might have to osc rebuild your package for it to pick up the change07:57
Stskeeps[08:55] <Stskeeps> or remove and re-add the repository07:57
sonachStskeeps: the "git checkout" is very quick:)07:59
Stskeepsyes, you have all the information locally so07:59
sonachStskeeps: I just did 'osc -A rebuildpac home:zhanghui enca'08:00
sonachIdeally, it will be quicker this time?08:01
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Stskeepsshow me the bug log start?08:03
sonachStskeeps: it is "finished"...08:03
Stskeepsbuild log start, that is08:04
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sonachStskeeps: exceed 64K:( I will paste a part then...08:06
Stskeepsjust the start and bottom is fine08:06
Stskeepscan i see the top?08:08
sonachStskeeps: I doubt it's the log of the first build(before git checkout)?08:09
Stskeepsit's the log of first build before git checkout, yeah08:09
sonachhow to clear the previous log then?08:10
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Stskeepsrebuildpac should do a rebuild08:11
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sonachhmm, I try to rebuildpac again....08:12
sonachStskeeps: after "rebuildpac", it is still "finished"...08:14
Stskeepssonach: interesting08:14
sonachit seems that I can not trigger a rebuld... on webUI, the "trigger rebuild"button seems not working either,08:14
Stskeepssonach: check build web ui status page08:14
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sonachStskeeps: it is "finished", is this what you mean?08:15
Stskeepssonach: no, in main build page there's a status page with traffic lights on08:15
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sonachStskeeps: hmm, I don't quite catch this. Is it the "" main page?08:18
sonachshow what result to you?08:18
Stskeepswell, are there any of the traffic lights that are off08:19
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sonachStskeeps: all traffic lights are on(with three cubes, one red cube)08:21
Stskeepsok, which one is red?08:21
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sonachall projects are red08:21
Stskeepsthe traffic lights, that is08:22
sonachis there someway to send the picture to you?08:22
sonachthrough email?08:22
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Stskeepson email, sure08:22
Stskeepsjust make a screenshot08:22
sonachStskeeps: it is sent,08:24
Stskeepssonach: ah, click "Status monitor"08:25
Stskeepsand screensot that08:25
sonachsent, but is not a whole web page,08:28
Stskeepsps aux | grep bs_sched08:29
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sonachStskeeps: ah, no "armv7el"08:31
Stskeepsrcobsscheduler restart08:32
sonachok, then rebuild?08:32
sonachit is still "finished"...08:34
sonachStskeeps: it seems that the rebuild never been triggered...08:35
sonachStskeeps: there is other projects that targets MeeGo1.2.0. Does this matter?08:36
sonachI have not delete this projects and alike...08:36
Stskeepssonach: shouldn't matter08:36
Stskeepssonach: ps aux | grep bs_sched now08:37
sonachStskeeps: it is good. armv7el is there,08:38
Stskeepscheck /srv/obs/logs/scheduler_armv7el.log08:38
sonach should I try to add a new package? the "enca" is the package added before 2012:)08:40
Stskeepsyes try that08:41
sonachok, i will try this at once,08:41
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Stskeepsmorn lbt, happy birthday :)08:59
lbtthank you :)08:59
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andre__hola! and hugs to lbt!09:02
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lbt:D andre__09:02
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chouchounehappy birthday lbt !09:05
Stskeepslbt: so, vm type sb2 has to deal with when you run in a chroot build09:05
lbt*g* ... thanks09:05
lbtyeah ... just reviewing all that09:06
slainelbt, hehe, birthday month this seems, mine is tomorrow09:06
slainehappy birtdhay09:06
lbtslaine: excellent choice09:06
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sonachlbt: ah, happy birthday:)09:14
lbtsonach: thanks09:15
sonachStskeeps: I delete all the packages of "home:zhanghui". and create package 'enca' again. but after 'osc add enca/*' and 'osc commit', no files can be added....09:17
Stskeepsthat should be ok09:17
Stskeepsthen it's uploaded09:17
sonachon webui, I see "This package doesn't contain any files yet. "09:17
Stskeepsps aux | grep repserver09:18
Stskeepslbt: btw, requires Digest::MD5 so it's a miracle that hasn't been caught on debian so far09:18
Stskeepslooks correct09:19
lbtStskeeps: yeah - if this is deployed on suse...09:19
Stskeepsand srcserver ?09:19
sonachStskeeps: two lines, something like"obsrun    2390  0.0  0.3  23908  6640 ?        Ss   Feb01   1:51 /usr/bin/perl -w /usr/lib/obs/server//bs_srcserver"09:20
lbtStskeeps: the old version of build (on my machine) also needs MD5 and that works fine as a local build09:20
Stskeepslbt: i think it's simply because debian builds haven't needed to call any scripts09:21
Stskeepswhile i almost insist on it in my patches09:21
sonachStskeeps: it always reports one error when I "osc commit" :
Stskeepssonach: osc commit inside the package directory09:22
Stskeepsnot project09:22
Stskeepssame with osc add09:22
sonachStskeeps: cool, it is building:)09:23
lbtmaybe add perl to preinstall09:23
lbtfor Debian09:23
sonachStskeeps: not familiar with osc...09:23
Stskeepssonach: yeah, that's why i'm helping :)09:23
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StskeepsSage_: so, initial assesment is that except for libpng12 stuff, and missing  mesa-libGLU-devel for some reason, it's not looking half bad with new core?09:38
Sage_haven't done new image yet09:39
Stskeepslbt: cxl000 said there was problems with publishing, anything you've seen?09:39
sonachStskeeps: the building is over. It is still "finished"...09:39
lbtno - I noticed a publishing problem for Debian:6.0 :/09:40
Stskeepssonach: ok, i'm not entirely sure why, check /srv/obs/log for hints maybe09:40
sonachStskeeps: you can see the build log:
Stskeepsyes, looks perfect09:42
Stskeepsi think the build isn't the problem, but something outside09:42
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sonachStskeeps: "something outside" what things do you think? I09:43
sonachStskeeps: anyway, I will try more, thank you for your help:)09:44
Stskeepssonach: in /srv/obs/log, run tail -n 10000 * > logs.txt and gzip logs.txt and send me logs.txt.gz09:44
Stskeepsand i'll look when i'm at home09:44
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sonachStskeeps: already sent to you mailbox. thank you and see you:)09:48
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Stskeepsrename /srv/obs/jobs/armv7el/home:zhanghui::homeprj_MerDS_Core_armv7l::enca-5642f9450112c23ff95f4111e2198d5d:dir/enca-1.13-4.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm /srv/obs/build/home:zhanghui/homeprj_MerDS_Core_armv7l/armv7el/enca/enca-1.13-4.1.Mer.armv7l.rpm: Invalid cross-device link09:50
Stskeepslooks suspicious09:50
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Stskeepsls -lR /srv/obs/build | grep -v obsrun09:51
slaineIs it trying to hardline across different mount points ?09:52
Stskeepsalso, tell me what file system /srv/obs/jobs and /srv/obs/build is on, and what kind of file system09:52
slaineThat error would indicate different mounts09:52
sonach_Stskeeps: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 10 Nov 14 10:55 /srv/obs/build -> /obs/build09:53
lbtgah - obs is ignoring prjconf changes09:54
Stskeepssonach_: and /srv/obs/jobs ?09:54
sonach_Stskeeps: ls -lR /srv/obs/jobs | grep -v obsrun ?09:55
Stskeepsjust without the | grep09:55
sonach_Stskeeps: a lot of info:
sonach_Stskeeps: the front info :
Stskeepssonach_: ok, so /srv/obs/jobs and /obs is different file systems?09:59
Stskeeps'mount' output would be useful10:00
* slaine points to what he said above10:01
sonach_Stskeeps: they are all ext4,10:01
Stskeepssonach_: i'd just like to see 'mount' output to conclude something :)10:02
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Stskeepsthat's surprising10:03
Stskeepsls -al / | grep obs10:03
sonach_obs -> /home/obscache/root-obs/10:03
sonach_Stskeeps: /obs -> /home/obscache/root-obs/10:04
Stskeepswell that explains a lot10:04
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sonach_since "/" doesn't have enough size, I link /obs to /home...10:04
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Stskeepslbt: can you help sonach to move + link /srv/obs/jobs safely to /obs/jobs ?10:05
Stskeepsi have to go so10:05
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sonach_Stskeeps: I have to go home also:)10:06
Stskeepssee you later then10:06
sonach_I will reach you or lbt tomorrow:)10:06
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sonach_thanks a lot!!10:06
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lbtso OBS is completely ignoring prjconf changes10:16
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lbtcxl000: found the publish error - will fix10:19
* lbt looks at smoking ruins of OBS10:20
* lbt kicks it sadly10:20
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lbtcxl000: think I fixed publishing10:59
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cxl000thanks lbt11:46
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lbtbug triage in 5min in #mer-meeting11:56
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sonachStskeeps: hi, I just enter IRC:) Would you please recommend some web pages or materials to solve the "link" problem of my obs? Now I am at home and cannot access the server. I will try it tomorrow morning.13:05
Stskeepssonach: well, i guess some kind of VPN could work, or ssh tunnel13:05
Stskeepswe use openvpn between servers ourselve13:05
Stskeepsoh you mean the problem you have with it being on /home and /srv/obs/jobs ?13:06
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sonachyes! I link /obs to /home since "/" only has 20GB!! it is the default size of OpenSUSE...13:07
sonachevery worker_x will occupy about 1~2GB, there are 16 workers, so ...13:08
Stskeepsi think you can possibly do it by rcobsdispatcher stop, rcobsscheduler stop, rcobswarden stop, and then move /srv/obs/jobs and symlink /srv/obs/jobs -> /home/something/jobs13:08
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slaineWas the error before not with a rename command ?13:09
slaineI'm pretty sure that operates at the inode level and hence won't work across devices.13:09
Stskeepsslaine: rename from one filesystem to another has to be copy first, then delete13:09
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slaineStskeeps: yeah, but it looked like it wasn't doing the copy13:10
CwalleStskeeps:you have a minutes?13:10
sonachStskeeps: maybe another method I can try, is delete the softlink of "/obs" and restrict the number of Workers(for example, restrict to 3)13:12
sonachis this method equal to symlink /srv/obs/jobs to /home/something/jobs?13:13
sonachslaine: Do you have any instructions I can try?13:16
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* lbt is back-ish now13:29
lbteating :)13:29
lbthey phaeron13:29
phaeronlbt: btw I am up since 8am13:29
lbtobs is unwell13:29
phaeronlbt: :(13:29
lbtDebian:6.0 prjconf won't change13:30
lbtI added 'perl' in and it now won't reload13:30
phaeronlbt: define reload13:31
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lbtwhen I replace perl with perl-base it still preinstalls perl13:31
lbtalso workers keep dieing13:31
phaeronlbt: in the wiki page it says that dod will not refresh automatically , it needs to be "reloaded" manullay13:32
phaeronlbt: you said it is the tmpfs issues ?13:32
lbtnot dod - prjconf13:32
lbtit's a mix of things I think13:32
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lbtjstaniek_QFridge - I hope you're getting a glass of milk :)13:36
Stskeepslbt: preinstalling problems?13:36
lbtyes Stskeeps13:37
Stskeepslbt: remember a preinstall will turn into requires:13:37
Stskeepser, required:13:37
phaeronlbt: the nemo processes seem to be working ok13:37
lbtphaeron: OK13:38
Stskeepslbt: give me an url to the prjconf13:38
Stskeepsand show me a broken build log?13:39
jstaniek_QFridgelo *13:40
jstaniek_QFridgejstaniek_QFridge: whell yeah, full C++ class of them :)13:40
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Stskeepslbt: empty for me, pastie?13:43
Stskeepsjstaniek_QFridge: thanks for a nice meetup :)13:43
lbttrigger rebuild now13:44
lbt[2/32] preinstalling perl...13:45
lbtso it's ignoring the change to the prjconf  ^^^13:45
Macerwell.. that's awesome13:45
Stskeepslbt: okay, so, two issues: when a build screws up like that, it goes back in the queue -with same buildinfo-13:45
Stskeepslbt: as in, it won't get the updated prjconf13:45
Macerflashing the transformer in windows was just a matter of running cmd as administrator13:45
Stskeepsonly way to do it is killing it with fire13:45
Stskeepsie, turn off build for the repo, wait a bit until jobs file disappears13:46
Stskeepsand restart13:46
Macerhopefully me and vgrade can get mer an active working and make an image so everybody can just flash the images and be done with it13:46
lbtok - or just clean /srv/obs/jobs/<arch>/<job>13:48
Stskeepsas i said, kill it with fire13:48
phaeronlbt: does the local build work after the prjconf change13:49
lbtlocal build is not sb2 "enhanced" ;)   so it works fine13:50
lbtMD5 issue solved13:50
lbtadd 'perl' to preinstall13:50
lbtStskeeps: thanks - I didn't know prjconf was cached in a fail like that13:51
jstaniek_QFridgeStskeeps: thanks too :)13:51
Stskeepslbt: some things you learn the very hard way13:51
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lbtwith OBS is there another way ?13:52
lbtOBS  Opensuse Bloodletting Service13:52
Stskeepsnot when we're doing bleeding edge stuff with it13:52
Stskeepsand well, we get cut :)13:53
lbtso either we need to detect sb2 absence w/o perl or we get Adrian to add perl to the Debian prjconf to support his Build.pm13:54
phaeronI think it wasn't that bad considering the amount of changes13:54
Stskeepsi think it's a bug it's not there in the first place13:54
Stskeepsbecause there will be code paths that may call Build.p13:54
lbttend to agree13:54
lbtright .... hostname13:55
phaeronlbt: add hostname to the prjconf ? :)13:55
lbtphaeron:  :P13:55
Stskeepsfor example 'debtransform' uses digest-md513:55
lbtsomeone take the hammer away from phaeron13:55
Stskeepswhat issue is the hostname one?13:55
lbt /.build/build: line 1997: hostname: command not found13:56
phaeronlbt: what hammer , there's a package called hostname13:56
Stskeepslbt: sb2-obs build?13:56
Stskeepsor debian13:56
lbtis sb2 really a VM type?13:58
Stskeepsi explained that this morning13:58
Stskeepsplease read
StskeepsIf SB2 is enabled, the following behaviour change will happen:13:59
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Stskeepselse we couldn't do sane chroot-only builds13:59
Stskeepsyou do not use it with --vm-type13:59
Stskeepsjust an internal detail13:59
lbtmy initial reaction is "use another variable it's damned confusing"14:00
Stskeepswe used to, fwiw14:00
Stskeepsand that made the code ugly as sin14:01
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Stskeepsthe idea is one day to avoid needing to use root at all14:02
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StskeepsCwalle: yes?14:05
CwalleStskeeps: could you help me figure out this
StskeepsCwalle: show me your .confi ?14:08
CwalleIt repeated to output the last three message14:08
Cwallehang on...14:08
Sage_Stskeeps: + * systems lacking /etc/os-release are no longer supported.14:09
CwalleStskeeps:my .config file is
Cwalleand i do not patch your patch14:10
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StskeepsCwalle: probably not related to this but CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK=y should be # CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_ANDROID_NETWORK is not set14:12
lbtphaeron: why didn't it used to need hostname? is this new for this "build"14:12
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Cwallelet me try now14:12
StskeepsCwalle: something stupid restricting network connectivity to a certain uid14:16
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Cwallei can not find it in my .config, does that means my kernel lack of this driver?14:18
Stskeepsi mean14:19
Stskeepsso # CONFIG_ANDROID_PARANOID_NETWORK is not set14:19
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Cwalleem...sorry,got it now14:22
Stskeepslbt: did we find out why the heck initrd mounted hda1 ro?14:25
lbtnot yet14:25
lbtworking around problems14:26
lbtlooking at :   -su: cd /usr/src/packages/BUILD && dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot-tcp : No such file or directory14:26
lbtseeing if was typo'ed14:26
Stskeepsthat might be due to sb2 obs changes14:27
lbt-chroot $BUILD_ROOT su -c "dpkg-source -x $DEB_SOURCEDIR/$DEB_DSCFILE $TOPDIR/BUILD" - $BUILD_USER14:27
lbt+enter_target needuser dpkg-source -x $DEB_SOURCEDIR/$DEB_DSCFILE $TOPDIR/BUILD14:27
Stskeepsshould work fine14:28
lbtI know14:28
lbthence the :(14:28
Stskeepsthat's not the dpkg-buildpackage14:28
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lbtbbiam ... door14:28
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Sage_Stskeeps:;a=blob;f=xdg-user-dirs-desktop-moblin.patch;h=03cfd5bbbc51c8e9a20f3a5e9b8dfea947794144;hb=HEAD comments?15:28
Stskeepskill still15:28
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Sage_ok, rest of those seem ok.15:31
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Stskeepshello tearms16:44
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tearmshello Stskeeps16:45
Stskeepswelcome - so what brings you here to Mer?16:45
Stskeeps'lo andrew16:45
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tearmsread an article about Spark and just wanted to see what type of discussion was happening here.16:47
Stskeepsmostly technical core and hardware adaptation stuff, with the occasional UI stuff :)16:47
Stskeepsas mer's the core, spark effort adds a hardware adaptation on top, plasma active delivers UI16:48
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tearmsit sounds very exciting!16:50
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Stskeepsfeel free to hang around and if there's any questions you're always welcome to ask16:51
Stskeeps#active has the plasma active guys in it16:51
tearmsthank you for the welcome.16:52
Stskeepsthe topic has a lot of useful links to learn more16:52
tearmsi will be reading everything throughout the day16:59
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Stskeepsandre__: btw, at one point you criticized meego's triaging curve (low, normal, high), could you do some analysis on that for mer at some point?17:03
Stskeepsand see if we're doing it right17:03
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andre__Stskeeps, ah, good idea. I'll add it to my todo list17:04
Stskeepsthanks, will be useful17:05
Stskeepssome criteria for low/normal/high would be good too17:05
* lbt notes that priority should be variable over time17:07
lbtand since we're good at having reviews17:07
lbtthat means we shouldn't worry about marking things "low" ... and meaning "leave them for now" ... even if in 2 weeks they'll be "Now, now, now"17:07
Stskeepslbt: yeah.. but we should also be aware developers are typically crap to rate bugs ;)17:08
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* lbt goes to peek into #harmattan and see who stones him17:10
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lbtOK - no complaints in there17:25
Stskeepsdid you add hostarch to harmattan prjconf?17:25
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andrewfblackStskeeps: Website Mockup Number 2
* Stskeeps browses17:27
Stskeepswell that's certainly very mer-ish17:27
* Stskeeps likes17:28
* lbt too17:28
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lbtthought about keeping the bg to just the top area?17:29
Stskeepsi kinda like the whole mer feeling over the page17:29
lbtand having it blur to a constant so it'll work in widescreen17:29
Stskeepsbut yeah17:29
lbtyeah - but non-scaleable to big screens and large image is slow on devices17:29
Stskeepshello rvp17:29
andrewfblackStskeeps: better then first lol17:30
rvphi. interested in getting mer running on the ViewSonic gTab.17:30
andrewfblacklbt: we could have just a blue background for devices17:30
Stskeepsrvp: what SoC is that?17:30
rvpTegra2 -- same as the Advent Vega.17:30
lbtandrewfblack: *nod*17:30
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Stskeepsrvp: able to boot your own kernel and root file system on there?17:31
Stskeeps(and build your own kernel)17:31
rvpI'm a Unix programmer, so building stuff is not a problem.17:31
Stskeepsandrewfblack: i'd perhaps not center the text and add a right hand news feed/planet thing17:31
rvpWhat's the status of Mer on ARM Tegra2?17:32
Stskeepsrvp: alright, perhaps take a look at how other tegra2 adaptations has done it,
Stskeepsrvp: Mer compiles for ARMv7-A VFPv3-D16 but you might be in a situation where you have a certain tegra2 errata17:33
andrewfblackStskeeps: I can do that17:33
StskeepsRaYmAn: recall what versions this doesn't exist on?17:33
rvpwhat's the kernel base for the mer kernel?17:34
Stskeepsrvp: we don't have a mer kernel, you deliver that :)17:35
Stskeeps2.6.32 or higher at least needed17:35
Stskeepsmer doesn't contain hardware adaptations or UIs for various reasons, so you couple mer with a hardware adaptation (gles drivers, kernel, etc) and a UI (your own rolled stuff, plasma active, Nemo, cordia, dawati, whatever)17:35
rvpI was thinking that I could use the same kernel in the Advent Vega image vgrade has done-- minor mods.17:37
Stskeepsyou can possibly17:37
rvpanybody considered writing a chainloader for ARM tegra2 so that the kernel too can be booted off the SD card?17:38
Stskeepsi've heard rumours of some kind of u-boot thing17:38
Stskeepsjust hearing what the tegra2 people here has been using17:39
Stskeepsandrewfblack: is that mockup or an html implementation, btw?17:39
rvpwhere do the tegra2 people hangout usually?17:39
Stskeepsvgrade can probably point to some of them17:40
Stskeepsso it's best just to hang around and you'll catch them, i think there's tegra related channels of their own too17:40
Stskeepsbut i don't know17:40
Stskeepsbrb food17:42
rvpok. It's getting late here. I'll drop in maybe tomorrow after looking at those links. Could you tell vgrade that someone is interested in getting Mer going on the VS Gtablet? Thanks.17:44
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andrewfblackStskeeps: just a mockup quicker to design that way and write code later.17:46
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Venemo_N950hey :)17:48
Stskeepslo Venemo_N95017:49
Stskeepsandrewfblack: would be a good time to subscribe to mer mailing list and propose it i think17:49
Venemo_N950hey Stskeeps :)17:50
Venemo_N950propose what?17:50
StskeepsVenemo_N950: website design direction17:50
Venemo_N950I like the logo + artwork17:52
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Venemo_N950Stskeeps: that looks awesome :) I like the design.17:56
Venemo_N950simplistic, yet beautiful.17:56
Stskeepsandrewfblack's effort :)17:57
Venemo_N950I'd organize the navigation a bit differently, but it's OK this way too17:57
Stskeepsyeah, probably different headers17:57
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andrewfblackgmail wont let me replay to mailing list email anyone had that problem17:59
Venemo_N950I'd put the menu below the logo, not in line with it.17:59
andrewfblackStskeeps: navigation arrangement and titles are really just placeholders to show the general layout we can work on what to call sections and order later18:01
Stskeepsandrewfblack: yep18:01
Stskeepsandrewfblack: so you send a mail to , then you get a mail back with a new mail to send a mail to18:01
timophwhere's the current sdk rootfs?18:01
Stskeeps i think18:01
timophneed to update the wiki18:02
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andrewfblackStskeeps: yeah but gmail doesn't like the email I have to reply to I will use another one of my emails18:07
Stskeepsandrewfblack: odd, i'm on gmail just fine18:07
Stskeepsdefine 'doesn't like'?18:07
andrewfblackStskeeps: says its not a proper email and wont send the message18:08
Stskeepsodd, can you /msg the email it asks you to send it to?18:08
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RaYmAnStskeeps: only required on 2.6.32 kernels. The later kernels has it fixed in kernel.18:28
Stskeeps'fixed' isn't really, it's the one where they mangle the cp15 isn't it?18:29
RaYmAnthey actually don't, lol18:29
Stskeepsso userland needs to unmangle it18:29
RaYmAnI'm not quite sure WHY it works on 2.6.36+18:29
Stskeepsah, the best kind of thing..18:29
RaYmAnThe errata isn't there in later kernels18:30
RaYmAnI patched it in, but that just caused crashes18:30
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RaYmAnso yeah, I've just accepted that it works :P18:30
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RaYmAnStskeeps: nvidia finally pushed a fairly current kernel :P 3.1..Just lacking the actual drivers still18:35
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Stskeepshello alfplayer19:10
alfplayerHello Stskeeps19:10
Stskeepswelcome :) so what brings you here to #mer?19:11
alfplayerI've just found out about this project19:12
alfplayerIt looks very interesting!19:12
Stskeepshehe, we think it is :)19:12
Stskeepsgot any questions about it?19:12
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alfplayerI'm always looking for an open tablet19:12
alfplayernot really at the moment19:12
Stskeepsalright, feel free to hang around then :)19:13
alfplayerthank you Stskeeps19:13
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* andrewfblack wants a decent irc client for iOS19:24
harbaumWhy would one run an irc client on a cisco router?19:24
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_av500_harbaum: i'd guess it has way more uptime than an iphone19:40
harbaumYeah, but the lack of a screen and keyboard somehow spoils the experience19:41
RaYmAna lot of people ssh to their irc client anyways :P19:42
_av500_running irssi on an internet core router must have awesome 0 lag19:52
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chouchoune_av500_: you have the lag between the router and you, instead of between you and the IRC server ;)20:19
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cxl000rvp, vgrade:I have packaged  l4t R12b1 softfp tegra2 drivers and kernel. See home:cxl000:CE:Adaptation:Trimslice. The drivers fix the eglcontext issue. I have tested these with trimslice 1.0.3 kernel.21:33
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MerMagedoes Mer have anything like a tracker project? Or is all the story/feature work found in the git repos?22:19
MerMageI ask because I see the review board, but wonder where these initiatives start.22:22
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