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| timoph | morn | 05:07 |
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| Stskeeps | morning | 05:33 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: How is the low-footprint release going on? We are looking forward to that:) | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hehe, i came home at 10pm last night, 7am now, so let me just start my work week :) | 05:42 |
| Stskeeps | got a release to finish for the 9th so that comes first | 05:43 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: ah! Sorry. Have a good rest first:) | 05:43 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: ca-certificates and the udev and usbutils fixes plz :) | 05:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: also recheck repomd-pattern-builder | 05:53 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 05:53 |
| Sage | ps would love to see version in mer-core-next in cobs | 05:54 |
| Stskeeps | i guess it's a hard day for meany when they're playing monty python's always look at the bright side of life, on the radio | 05:55 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: ok, i can't send it to cobs as we don't have sb2obs patches in there yet | 05:58 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: uh... | 05:59 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: so it'll fall back to non-cross compile | 05:59 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/package/show?package=repomd-pattern-builder&project=Core%3Ai586 | 06:02 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: yes it is there but ca-certificates and repomd-pattern-builder didnt export to all releases IIRC | 06:04 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: right, that's fixed | 06:04 |
| Sage | ok, then those are good | 06:05 |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: gamin succesfully dropped | 06:22 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: nice, what about consolekit? | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | did i have a bug to remove that? | 06:31 |
| Sage | yes | 06:31 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, looking if i can.. | 06:32 |
| Stskeeps | looks like it | 06:32 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: seen http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/zif/ ? | 06:59 |
| * Sage ponders how that compares to zypper | 07:00 | |
| Stskeeps | mm, file an architectual backlog task to evaluate it | 07:01 |
| Sage | k, will do that a bit later. | 07:01 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=154 | 07:55 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 08:24 |
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| mdfe_ | good morning | 08:29 |
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| Stskeeps | morn mdfe_, was good to see you at FOSDEM :) | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | mdfe_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html was the mindmap i was talking about | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | 'source code' is at .mm instead of .html, for freemind | 08:32 |
| mdfe_ | yes, it was really nice :) | 08:32 |
| mdfe_ | cool | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | there's a lot of gold in that mindmap | 08:36 |
| mdfe_ | I see, it is very good! | 08:37 |
| mdfe_ | it is much better to navigate as an wiki | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | you can export to other formats | 08:41 |
| mdfe_ | wow | 08:41 |
| mdfe_ | how did you create it? | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | ~6 hours of work in freemind | 08:42 |
| mdfe_ | great work | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | i do need to attribute some of the text to some wiki pages and obs book though | 08:43 |
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| * Stskeeps is cleaning up the cross compile helper packages | 08:53 | |
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| Stskeeps | sonach: by the way, is blip.tv (video service) accessible in china? | 09:05 |
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| Stskeeps | or is there some video sites that is known to be working inside china we can perhaps upload mer related videos to | 09:05 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: blip.tv cannot be accessed. | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | i was asking as we used to use blip.tv as they support open source licenses for video, so just checking :) | 09:07 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: Is there any other video sites you often use? | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: hmm, not really, i was wondering to just host some videos on mer infrastructure itself with a typical flash player | 09:12 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I find that several popular chinese video sites doesn't have English entry... | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: btw, do you have time for on thursday to work with me to try out busybox? | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | i plan on working some more on it there and making armv7l packages for it | 09:13 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: OK, no problem. What time on Thursday? | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | i guess from around 10 my time should be OK, if you're available | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | (it's 10:14 now) | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | i'll try to have some packages to try out already before that | 09:15 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: My local time is 17:14 now, | 09:16 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, if you'd prefer some time later that can also work | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 09:17 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 09:17 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: No problem, just Thursday. To me, If you are OK earlier, the better:) | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: let's see how things turn out | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: following up on our conversation about copy whole project kind of stuff.. one thing that could be cool would be if it would be possible to copy whole project.. and <link project=""> changes too | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: ie, we can move from fakeobs:Core:snapshot1 to fakeobs:Core:snapshot2 | 09:19 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: the objective is to make footprint lower? or more objectives? | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | as the sources | 09:19 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: lower footprint and because i see good reason for Mer to support it | 09:19 |
| sonach | what good reason then? | 09:20 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I see. | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: one of the problems with modern open source software is that they require GPLv3 licensed tools to build, but many companies don't want GPLv3 because of patents and other worries, so busybox helps in that area | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | sonach: in addition to that, i'm learning more about smaller systems than a netbook and a smartphone, so you help a lot :) | 09:21 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: I see. And for Mer's video, I think you can first put it onto Mer's website, then I can move it to mainstream Chinese video sites... | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | yes - what formats are good there? flv? | 09:23 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: It is not a good way, but it seems that we don't have better ways... | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | better than nothing :) | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, back to coding | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | i'm fixing up the MIPS port right now so there's a lot of work to finish | 09:26 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: flv is OK. | 09:27 |
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| sonach | Stskeeps: hmm, I don't have any MIPS board at hand right now; otherwise I can test it;) | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: RaYmAn from here is getting one of those ingenic-based MIPS 99 USD tablets as well | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm testing just with emulator right now | 09:31 |
| sonach | Stskeeps: OK:) | 09:32 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt, how's the foot? | 09:48 |
| lbt | it's going to enjoy a break from walking around :) | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:51 |
| lbt | plane was delayed 1.5hr too - didn't leave until 21:40 :( | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | ouch | 09:52 |
| lbt | but hey, not cancelled :D | 09:52 |
| arnaud2 | morning | 09:52 |
| lbt | morning | 09:53 |
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| lbt | and morning mdfe_ | 09:53 |
| mdfe_ | good morning | 09:53 |
| arnaud2 | oups, what's that nick | 09:53 |
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| matrixx | lbt: oh yours too :( Ours from HEL to TRE didn't leave cause it had a fault which prevented doing "winter operations".. the next plane had problems getting some gas in :D | 09:57 |
| matrixx | finally at home at 02:00 yesterday | 09:58 |
| X-Fade | matrixx: Ouch! | 09:58 |
| lbt | oh that's not nice | 09:58 |
| X-Fade | And I thought that I had a bad train ride which took 5 hours instead of 2. | 09:59 |
| matrixx | X-Fade: it was, our trip was delayed only 1,5h max | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | make[2]: Warning: File `/dev/null' has modification time 1.4e+03 s in the future | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | uh-oh | 10:03 |
| lbt | I'd have thought that finding a time machine was a good thing | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but this seems like it's a time travelling vortex.. | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:15 |
| lbt | mmm side effect from the atomium? | 10:15 |
| lbt | shall we resched the bug triage - about 8 need doing | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, how about tomorrow? | 10:16 |
| lbt | usual time? | 10:16 |
| lbt | I'll send out a mail | 10:16 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:16 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: RE ? | 12:03 |
| Stskeeps | er, sure | 12:03 |
| * Stskeeps is a bit out of it today due to almost 11 days of travelling | 12:03 | |
| lbt | np ... I just got a ping from calendar | 12:04 |
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| lbt | no idea what agenda is | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | Release management meeting in #mer-meeting now | 12:04 |
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| andre__ | lbt: meh, I should probably send you money for sending a t-shirt. sorry, didn't catch you on Sunday. :-/ | 12:16 |
| lbt | andre__: np ... sec though | 12:16 |
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| Cwalle | is there any way to get a t-shirt in China? | 12:30 |
| Cwalle | ....what exactly the t-shirt look like? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | Cwalle: http://www.vistaprint.co.uk/vp/ns/livepreview.aspx?doc_id=1423520544&shopper_id=S0I0E7L1555V7ZNFGDN43FS76E67PNDT&width=400 | 12:36 |
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| Cwalle | hoho....it's simple but, cool | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's all about project identity :) | 12:43 |
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| Stskeeps | we're not a billion dollar company :) | 12:43 |
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| Cwalle | Stskeeps: i remembered that i have said that i would give a feedback after i finished reading the wiki about ks | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok? | 12:45 |
| Cwalle | quite good but i seem something could be add | 12:45 |
| Stskeeps | what do you feel is missing? | 12:45 |
| Cwalle | like after generate a rootfs, how to make the detail format filesystem,such as YAFFS JFFS | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | right | 12:47 |
| Cwalle | or ohters | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | that is a valid concern, yeah | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 12:47 |
| lbt | ... | 12:47 |
| lbt | oh, sure | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | while it is bit over in hardware adaptation, at least pointers would be good | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | on what tools to use/etc | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | best practices | 12:48 |
| Cwalle | you may seem that could be a easy work but can save others some time | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:48 |
| lbt | Cwalle: so 2 things... T-shirt and .ks file docs on making fs | 12:49 |
| Cwalle | haha ,T-shirt is ok | 12:49 |
| Cwalle | can i get one in China now and how much it cost | 12:50 |
| lbt | sure - I'll find out postage costs for you | 12:52 |
| Cwalle | oh, i recently got a 6410 board and a android system,i am trying to port mer on that board and i wander that whether the kernel used for android could boot mer | 12:53 |
| lbt | probably | 12:54 |
| lbt | the main issue is going to be the GLES drivers | 12:54 |
| Cwalle | lbt: GLES? more details? | 12:55 |
| lbt | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Prepare_X_.2F_Wayland_and_Qt | 12:55 |
| lbt | this is newly written and isn't finished | 12:56 |
| lbt | mer needs GLES2.0 | 12:56 |
| Cwalle | on my board, the android rootfs is made as a whole YAFFS2, and i trying to make the mer as a yaffs2 too | 12:57 |
| Cwalle | but i could not find tools to do that on ubuntu10.10 | 12:57 |
| lbt | sonach was having this issue around 20/21 jan | 12:59 |
| Cwalle | lbt:about the GLES drivers, can i just add them into the kernel simple | 12:59 |
| Cwalle | he was using jffs | 13:00 |
| lbt | I'm not sure where he ended up - he was looking for yaffs2 at the time | 13:01 |
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| Cwalle | i have communicated with him and visited his blogs,but no, he used the jffs | 13:02 |
| lbt | ah yes... he was looking at yaffs2 but decided not to: http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T14:25:28 | 13:04 |
| lbt | and the GLES drivers need to be provided by the vendor for linux (not android) | 13:05 |
| Cwalle | lbt: i have make a jffs but my kernel(for android)could not boot that | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | you need to recompile the kernel at least | 13:05 |
| lbt | exactly | 13:05 |
| Cwalle | Stskeeps: yes i did | 13:06 |
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| Khaled | is qt used to make the ui of a mer based os? | 22:35 |
| lbt | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638705 FFS | 22:35 |
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| lbt | Khaled: we expect that most vendors will pick that solution, yes | 22:37 |
| Khaled | is there a link for that? | 22:37 |
| lbt | http://www.merproject.org/ | 22:37 |
| lbt | "Mer is an open, mobile-optimised, core distribution aimed at device manufacturers; powered by Qt/QML" | 22:37 |
| Khaled | what is actually happening between u and tizen? | 22:38 |
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| lbt | well, Dawn, Carsten and I shared a few drinks in Brussels at FOSDEM last week | 22:38 |
| Khaled | lol I mean in terms of efforts joined now that the source code of tizen available | 22:39 |
| lbt | well. Tizen is a project run by 2 behemoths of the tech industry ... it's likely to be as agile and open to influence by others as that sounds | 22:40 |
| w00t_AMS | lbt: i like your sense of humour | 22:40 |
| Khaled | so u shouldn't waste any time with them imho | 22:40 |
| Anssi138 | yeah, tizen might go paths of its own. not very qt friendly at least. | 22:41 |
| Khaled | well I still skeptical of qt | 22:41 |
| lbt | they will have hordes of engineers ... you know what they say about monkeys and typewriters | 22:41 |
| Khaled | I haven't seen any really amazing app made with it | 22:41 |
| lbt | Mer will simply extract the sonnets | 22:41 |
| lbt | Khaled: heard of the N9 ? | 22:41 |
| lbt | small boring little device ... hardly anyone likes it :) | 22:42 |
| Khaled | Yeah but wait is the interface built with qt | 22:42 |
| Khaled | ? | 22:42 |
| lbt | same code as in Nemo | 22:42 |
| Khaled | I just drool every time I see it | 22:42 |
| Khaled | nemomobile? | 22:42 |
| lbt | yes | 22:43 |
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| w00t_AMS | Khaled: the whole thing uses Qt, yes | 22:43 |
| Khaled | what do you mean by same code its not the same ui | 22:43 |
| Khaled | or the ux | 22:43 |
| lbt | no | 22:44 |
| Anssi138 | the ux uses libmeegotouch or qml but anyway | 22:44 |
| lbt | code is like C++ | 22:44 |
| lbt | ui is like png | 22:44 |
| Khaled | well point made qt rocks | 22:44 |
| lbt | yup | 22:44 |
| lbt | we thought so | 22:44 |
| Khaled | and gets better and beter | 22:44 |
| Khaled | I just heard that the onscreen keyboard of the n9 is open source | 22:45 |
| lbt | huge chunks of the N9 are open source | 22:45 |
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| lbt | dunno about the vkbd | 22:46 |
| Khaled | I think its good for me that nokia dropped meego | 22:46 |
| Khaled | now I dont have them as a competitor | 22:46 |
| lbt | yes, that is lucky :) | 22:47 |
| Anssi138 | :) | 22:47 |
| Anssi138 | small and agile is wtg :) | 22:47 |
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| Khaled | I am watching some videos of plasma active and it looks polished | 22:53 |
| Khaled | it is based on mer? | 22:53 |
| lbt | yes | 22:54 |
| smoku | N9 keyboard morphed into mallit project | 22:54 |
| lbt | smoku: ah... good to know | 22:54 |
| lbt | I have a Malit T-shirt :) | 22:54 |
| Khaled | is it still alive? | 22:54 |
| Khaled | cz it rocked according to alot of reviewrs | 22:55 |
| smoku | Khaled: see news on http://www.maliit.org/ | 22:56 |
| Khaled | their last update was in 2011 | 22:56 |
| smoku | you say it like it was a year ago ;-P | 22:58 |
| Khaled | well technically it is but theree are no serious bugs with it so its okay | 22:58 |
| Khaled | any screenshots for nemo mobile? | 22:59 |
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| lbt | google youtube | 23:00 |
| vgrade | maliit project after working on N9 is looking for new platforms, plasma active have had meetings with maliit on replacing their virtual keyboard | 23:00 |
| smoku | Khaled: technically it was 56 days ago. far from 365 ;P | 23:00 |
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| vgrade | Khaled, good videos here, http://www.youtube.com/user/nsuffys/featured | 23:02 |
| vgrade | also N9 apps running on nemo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtzwswaN-k | 23:03 |
| smoku | LOL... mic2 ate all my loopback devices :D | 23:04 |
| Khaled | that last link was for n900 | 23:05 |
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| vgrade | yea, running apps built for N9 | 23:06 |
| Khaled | anyways I can see talent but still not a clear vision for a ui pattern | 23:06 |
| Khaled | I mean I am tired of android's widget homescreens | 23:06 |
| Khaled | why dont plasmactive just use webos cards interface, rim did it | 23:07 |
| vgrade | Khaled, thats the point of Mer, go ahead with your UI vision | 23:07 |
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| Khaled | yeah I know, plasma active is kde right? | 23:08 |
| vgrade | yes | 23:08 |
| Khaled | where is the gnome counteract? | 23:09 |
| vgrade | I don't know | 23:09 |
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| Khaled | did anyone hear about the cordia tab? | 23:14 |
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| bork | lnuxdevices had some post-cordiatab tablet | 23:24 |
| bork | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Spark-tablet-announced/ | 23:25 |
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| wmarone_ | yup | 23:28 |
| wmarone_ | it's actually lesser than the cordiatab, except for the CPU | 23:28 |
| wmarone_ | all the same problems the cordia tab has though | 23:29 |
| Khaled | I am sorry what are the problems of the cordia tab? | 23:30 |
| wmarone_ | vendor demanded a preorder of 20K units or a ransom of $6k before they would release the kernel sources | 23:31 |
| wmarone_ | sounds like the same crap is happening with the Spark | 23:31 |
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| Khaled | well as a first impression it looks like a knockoff | 23:31 |
| wmarone_ | they're generic chinese oem hardware | 23:32 |
| Khaled | this is just for developers | 23:32 |
| wmarone_ | the company is already selling it | 23:32 |
| Khaled | the name of the company is called spark? | 23:32 |
| wmarone_ | no | 23:32 |
| wmarone_ | that's the name of the tablet | 23:32 |
| Khaled | oh okay so whats the company's name | 23:33 |
| Khaled | ? | 23:33 |
| wmarone_ | what company, the chinese one? | 23:33 |
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| wmarone_ | who knows | 23:33 |
| wmarone_ | doesn't really matter except to aseigo | 23:33 |
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| Khaled | burn | 23:34 |
| Khaled | well the price is crazy | 23:35 |
| wmarone_ | it is, yes | 23:35 |
| wmarone_ | I suspect that's the OEM being dicks | 23:35 |
| Khaled | who is aseigo | 23:37 |
| Khaled | . | 23:37 |
| Khaled | ? | 23:37 |
| wmarone_ | kde guy who is pushing the Spark project | 23:37 |
| wmarone_ | http://aseigo.blogspot.com/ | 23:37 |
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