Tuesday, 2012-02-07

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sonachStskeeps: How is the low-footprint release going on? We are looking forward to that:)05:42
Stskeepssonach: hehe, i came home at 10pm last night, 7am now, so let me just start my work week :)05:42
Stskeepsgot a release to finish for the 9th so that comes first05:43
sonachStskeeps: ah! Sorry. Have a good rest first:)05:43
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SageStskeeps: ca-certificates and the udev and usbutils fixes plz :)05:53
SageStskeeps: also recheck repomd-pattern-builder05:53
Sageps would love to see version in mer-core-next in cobs05:54
Stskeepsi guess it's a hard day for meany when they're playing monty python's always look at the bright side of life, on the radio05:55
* Sage sees systemd 40 source tarball05:55
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StskeepsSage: ok, i can't send it to cobs as we don't have sb2obs patches in there yet05:58
SageStskeeps: uh...05:59
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StskeepsSage: so it'll fall back to non-cross compile05:59
StskeepsSage: http://webui-ci.tspre.org/package/show?package=repomd-pattern-builder&project=Core%3Ai58606:02
SageStskeeps: yes it is there but ca-certificates and repomd-pattern-builder didnt export to all releases IIRC06:04
StskeepsSage: right, that's fixed06:04
Sageok, then those are good06:05
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StskeepsSage: gamin succesfully dropped06:22
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SageStskeeps: nice, what about consolekit?06:29
Stskeepsdid i have a bug to remove that?06:31
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Stskeepsok, looking if i can..06:32
Stskeepslooks like it06:32
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SageStskeeps: seen  http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/zif/ ?06:59
* Sage ponders how that compares to zypper07:00
Stskeepsmm, file an architectual backlog task to evaluate it07:01
Sagek, will do that a bit later.07:01
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SageStskeeps: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15407:55
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mdfe_good morning08:29
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Stskeepsmorn mdfe_, was good to see you at FOSDEM :)08:32
Stskeepsmdfe_: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/mindmap/OBS.html was the mindmap i was talking about08:32
Stskeeps'source code' is at .mm instead of .html, for freemind08:32
mdfe_yes, it was really nice :)08:32
Stskeepsthere's a lot of gold in that mindmap08:36
mdfe_I see, it is very good!08:37
mdfe_it is much better to navigate as an wiki08:41
Stskeepsyou can export to other formats08:41
mdfe_how did you create it?08:41
Stskeeps~6 hours of work in freemind08:42
mdfe_great work08:43
Stskeepsi do need to attribute some of the text to some wiki pages and obs book though08:43
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* Stskeeps is cleaning up the cross compile helper packages08:53
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Stskeepssonach: by the way, is blip.tv (video service) accessible in china?09:05
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Stskeepsor is there some video sites that is known to be working inside china we can perhaps upload mer related videos to09:05
sonachStskeeps: blip.tv cannot be accessed.09:06
Stskeepsi was asking as we used to use blip.tv as they support open source licenses for video, so just checking :)09:07
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sonachStskeeps: Is there any other video sites you often use?09:11
Stskeepssonach: hmm, not really, i was wondering to just host some videos on mer infrastructure itself with a typical flash player09:12
sonachStskeeps: I find that several popular chinese video sites doesn't have English entry...09:12
Stskeepssonach: btw, do you have time for on thursday to work with me to try out busybox?09:12
Stskeepsi plan on working some more on it there and making armv7l packages for it09:13
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sonachStskeeps: OK, no problem. What time on Thursday?09:14
Stskeepsi guess from around 10 my time should be OK, if you're available09:14
Stskeeps(it's 10:14 now)09:14
Stskeepsi'll try to have some packages to try out already before that09:15
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sonachStskeeps: My local time is 17:14 now,09:16
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Stskeepsok, if you'd prefer some time later that can also work09:17
Stskeepsmorn phaeron09:17
phaeronStskeeps: morning09:17
sonachStskeeps: No problem, just Thursday. To me, If you are OK earlier, the better:)09:18
Stskeeps:nod: let's see how things turn out09:18
Stskeepsphaeron: following up on our conversation about copy whole project kind of stuff.. one thing that could be cool would be if it would be possible to copy whole project.. and <link project=""> changes too09:19
Stskeepsphaeron: ie, we can move from fakeobs:Core:snapshot1 to fakeobs:Core:snapshot209:19
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sonachStskeeps: the objective is to make footprint lower? or more objectives?09:19
Stskeepsas the sources09:19
Stskeepssonach: lower footprint and because i see good reason for Mer to support it09:19
sonachwhat good reason then?09:20
phaeronStskeeps: I see.09:20
Stskeepssonach: one of the problems with modern open source software is that they require GPLv3 licensed tools to build, but many companies don't want GPLv3 because of patents and other worries, so busybox helps in that area09:21
Stskeepssonach: in addition to that, i'm learning more about smaller systems than a netbook and a smartphone, so you help a lot :)09:21
sonachStskeeps: I see.  And for Mer's video, I think you can first put it onto Mer's website, then I can move it to mainstream Chinese video sites...09:23
Stskeepsyes - what formats are good there? flv?09:23
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sonachStskeeps: It is not a good way, but it seems that we don't have better ways...09:24
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Stskeepsbetter than nothing :)09:26
Stskeepsok, back to coding09:26
Stskeepsi'm fixing up the MIPS port right now so there's a lot of work to finish09:26
sonachStskeeps: flv is OK.09:27
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sonachStskeeps: hmm, I don't have any MIPS board at hand right now; otherwise I can test it;)09:29
Stskeeps:nod: RaYmAn from here is getting one of those ingenic-based MIPS 99 USD tablets as well09:31
Stskeepsi'm testing just with emulator right now09:31
sonachStskeeps: OK:)09:32
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lbtmorning all09:48
Stskeepsmorn lbt, how's the foot?09:48
lbtit's going to enjoy a break from walking around :)09:51
lbtplane was delayed 1.5hr too - didn't leave until 21:40 :(09:51
lbtbut hey, not cancelled :D09:52
* Stskeeps learns about baselibs.conf 'targetname'09:53
lbtand morning mdfe_09:53
mdfe_good morning09:53
arnaud2oups, what's that nick09:53
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matrixxlbt: oh yours too :( Ours from HEL to TRE didn't leave cause it had a fault which prevented doing "winter operations".. the next plane had problems getting some gas in :D09:57
matrixxfinally at home at 02:00 yesterday09:58
X-Fadematrixx: Ouch!09:58
lbtoh that's not nice09:58
X-FadeAnd I thought that I had a bad train ride which took 5 hours instead of 2.09:59
matrixxX-Fade: it was, our trip was delayed only 1,5h max09:59
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Stskeepsmake[2]: Warning: File `/dev/null' has modification time 1.4e+03 s in the future10:03
lbtI'd have thought that finding a time machine was a good thing10:15
Stskeepsyes, but this seems like it's a time travelling vortex..10:15
lbtmmm side effect from the atomium?10:15
lbtshall we resched the bug triage  - about 8 need doing10:16
Stskeepsyeah, how about tomorrow?10:16
lbtusual time?10:16
lbtI'll send out a mail10:16
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lbtStskeeps: RE ?12:03
Stskeepser, sure12:03
* Stskeeps is a bit out of it today due to almost 11 days of travelling12:03
lbtnp ... I just got a ping from calendar12:04
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lbtno idea what agenda is12:04
StskeepsRelease management meeting in #mer-meeting now12:04
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andre__lbt: meh, I should probably send you money for sending a t-shirt. sorry, didn't catch you on Sunday. :-/12:16
lbtandre__: np ... sec though12:16
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Cwalleis there any way to get a t-shirt in China?12:30
Cwalle....what exactly  the t-shirt look like?12:35
StskeepsCwalle: http://www.vistaprint.co.uk/vp/ns/livepreview.aspx?doc_id=1423520544&shopper_id=S0I0E7L1555V7ZNFGDN43FS76E67PNDT&width=40012:36
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Cwallehoho....it's simple but, cool12:43
Stskeepsyeah, it's all about project identity :)12:43
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Stskeepswe're not a billion dollar company :)12:43
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CwalleStskeeps: i remembered that i have said that i would give a feedback after i finished reading the wiki about ks12:44
Cwallequite good but i seem something could be add12:45
Stskeepswhat do you feel is missing?12:45
Cwallelike after generate a rootfs, how to make the detail format filesystem,such as YAFFS JFFS12:46
Cwalleor ohters12:47
Stskeepsthat is a valid concern, yeah12:47
Stskeepslbt: ^12:47
lbtoh, sure12:47
Stskeepswhile it is bit over in hardware adaptation, at least pointers would be good12:48
Stskeepson what tools to use/etc12:48
Stskeepsbest practices12:48
Cwalleyou may seem that could be a easy work but can save others some time12:48
lbtCwalle: so 2 things... T-shirt and .ks file docs on making fs12:49
Cwallehaha ,T-shirt is ok12:49
Cwallecan i get one in China now and how much it cost12:50
lbtsure - I'll find out postage costs for you12:52
Cwalleoh, i recently got a 6410 board and a android system,i am trying to port mer on that board and i wander that whether the kernel used for android could boot mer12:53
lbtthe main issue is going to be the GLES drivers12:54
Cwallelbt: GLES? more details?12:55
lbtthis is newly written and isn't finished12:56
lbtmer needs GLES2.012:56
Cwalleon my board, the android rootfs is made as a whole YAFFS2, and i trying to make the mer as a yaffs2 too12:57
Cwallebut i could not find tools to do that on ubuntu10.1012:57
lbtsonach was having this issue around 20/21 jan12:59
Cwallelbt:about the GLES drivers, can i just add them into the kernel simple12:59
Cwallehe was using jffs13:00
lbtI'm not sure where he ended up - he was looking for yaffs2 at the time13:01
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Cwallei have communicated with him and visited his blogs,but no, he used the jffs13:02
lbtah yes... he was looking at yaffs2 but decided not to:  http://mer.bfst.de/logs/%23mer/%23mer.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T14:25:2813:04
lbtand the GLES drivers need to be provided by the vendor for linux (not android)13:05
Cwallelbt: i have make a jffs but my kernel(for android)could not boot that13:05
Stskeepsyou need to recompile the kernel at least13:05
CwalleStskeeps: yes i did13:06
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Khaledis qt used to make the ui of a mer based os?22:35
lbthttp://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=638705  FFS22:35
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lbtKhaled: we expect that most vendors will pick that solution, yes22:37
Khaledis there a link for that?22:37
lbt"Mer is an open, mobile-optimised, core distribution aimed at device manufacturers; powered by Qt/QML"22:37
Khaledwhat is actually happening between u and tizen?22:38
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lbtwell, Dawn, Carsten and I shared a few drinks in Brussels at FOSDEM last week22:38
Khaledlol I mean in terms of efforts joined now that the source code of tizen available22:39
lbtwell. Tizen is a project run by 2 behemoths of the tech industry ... it's likely to be as agile and open to influence by others as that sounds22:40
w00t_AMSlbt: i like your sense of humour22:40
Khaledso u shouldn't waste any time with them imho22:40
Anssi138yeah, tizen might go paths of its own. not very qt friendly at least.22:41
Khaledwell I still skeptical of qt22:41
lbtthey will have hordes of engineers ... you know what they say about monkeys and typewriters22:41
KhaledI haven't seen any really amazing app made with it22:41
lbtMer will simply extract the sonnets22:41
lbtKhaled: heard of the N9 ?22:41
lbtsmall boring little device ... hardly anyone likes it :)22:42
KhaledYeah but wait is the interface built with qt22:42
lbtsame code as in Nemo22:42
KhaledI just drool every time I see it22:42
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w00t_AMSKhaled: the whole thing uses Qt, yes22:43
Khaledwhat do you mean by same code its not the same ui22:43
Khaledor the ux22:43
Anssi138the ux uses libmeegotouch or qml but anyway22:44
lbtcode is like C++22:44
lbtui is like png22:44
Khaledwell point made qt rocks22:44
lbtwe thought so22:44
Khaledand gets better and beter22:44
KhaledI just heard that the onscreen keyboard of the n9 is open source22:45
lbthuge chunks of the N9 are open source22:45
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lbtdunno about the vkbd22:46
KhaledI think its good for me that nokia dropped meego22:46
Khalednow I dont have them as a competitor22:46
lbtyes, that is lucky :)22:47
Anssi138small and agile is wtg :)22:47
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KhaledI am watching some videos of plasma active and it looks polished22:53
Khaledit is based on mer?22:53
smokuN9 keyboard morphed into mallit project22:54
lbtsmoku: ah... good to know22:54
lbtI have a Malit T-shirt :)22:54
Khaledis it still alive?22:54
Khaledcz it rocked according to alot of reviewrs22:55
smokuKhaled: see news on http://www.maliit.org/22:56
Khaledtheir last update was in 201122:56
smokuyou say it like it was a year ago ;-P22:58
Khaledwell technically it is but theree are no serious bugs with it so its okay22:58
Khaledany screenshots for nemo mobile?22:59
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lbtgoogle youtube23:00
vgrademaliit project after working on N9 is looking for new platforms, plasma active have had meetings with maliit on replacing their virtual keyboard23:00
smokuKhaled: technically it was 56 days ago.  far from 365 ;P23:00
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vgradeKhaled, good videos here, http://www.youtube.com/user/nsuffys/featured23:02
vgradealso N9 apps running on nemo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HtzwswaN-k23:03
smokuLOL... mic2 ate all my loopback devices :D23:04
Khaledthat last link was for n90023:05
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vgradeyea, running apps built for N923:06
Khaledanyways I can see talent but still not a clear vision for a ui pattern23:06
KhaledI mean I am tired of android's widget homescreens23:06
Khaledwhy dont plasmactive just use webos cards interface, rim did it23:07
vgradeKhaled, thats the point of Mer, go ahead with your UI vision23:07
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Khaledyeah I know, plasma active is kde right?23:08
Khaledwhere is the gnome counteract?23:09
vgradeI don't know23:09
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Khaleddid anyone hear about the cordia tab?23:14
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borklnuxdevices had some post-cordiatab tablet23:24
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wmarone_it's actually lesser than the cordiatab, except for the CPU23:28
wmarone_all the same problems the cordia tab has though23:29
KhaledI am sorry what are the problems of the cordia tab?23:30
wmarone_vendor demanded a preorder of 20K units or a ransom of $6k before they would release the kernel sources23:31
wmarone_sounds like the same crap is happening with the Spark23:31
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Khaledwell as a first impression it looks like a knockoff23:31
wmarone_they're generic chinese oem hardware23:32
Khaledthis is just for developers23:32
wmarone_the company is already selling it23:32
Khaledthe name of the company is called spark?23:32
wmarone_that's the name of the tablet23:32
Khaledoh okay so whats the company's name23:33
wmarone_what company, the chinese one?23:33
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wmarone_who knows23:33
wmarone_doesn't really matter except to aseigo23:33
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Khaledwell the price is crazy23:35
wmarone_it is, yes23:35
wmarone_I suspect that's the OEM being dicks23:35
Khaledwho is aseigo23:37
wmarone_kde guy who is pushing the Spark project23:37
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