| sebsebseb | anyne around\ | 00:24 |
|---|---|---|
| sebsebseb | anyone aroound | 00:24 |
| Kabouik | Hope so, looking for help too :< | 00:26 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: oh | 00:27 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: what kind of help? | 00:28 |
| Kabouik | https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1551444&postcount=355 that kind sebsebseb :\ | 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | I think most will be sleeping or something now | 00:28 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: not sure your trying to do something going by link | 00:30 |
| Kabouik | The post is from myself, just posted it a few minutes ago | 00:30 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: do you know about the xperia xa2 and the current status of sailfish x ? | 00:31 |
| Kabouik | Not really, I'm sorry, I'm using an X Compact | 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | yeah thats another one it seems | 00:31 |
| sebsebseb | I got the xperia x already but may get the xa2 under a deal thing | 00:32 |
| Kabouik | Yes and it has full Sailfish X (unofficial), while xa2 might still be just with trial, right? | 00:32 |
| sebsebseb | yeaah thats what i am not sure about | 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | but if salifish doesnt work as well yet on the xa2 i guess i could have a nice andrid phone for the time being as well | 00:33 |
| sebsebseb | sailfish x the real thing is available for xperia x | 00:34 |
| Kabouik | Nice. Android phone. :< | 00:34 |
| Kabouik | Doesn't go well together :O | 00:34 |
| sebsebseb | but not sure about xa2 | 00:34 |
| Kabouik | It will come eventually for the XA2, even with updated Dalvik, but not sure when since I did not really follow news about this device | 00:35 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: well my camera wont work as well on the xperia x once i put sailfish on | 00:35 |
| Kabouik | I'm afraid I borked mine tonight with this resize2fs not working as reported in the howto I was following :( | 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | i think can work on xa2 now but maybe not properly sailfish not sure quite | 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | where you from | 00:36 |
| Kabouik | France, and I know most people are sleeping right now in the Jolla community | 00:36 |
| sebsebseb | I think sledges was also telling me something about the xa2 and sailfish when i mett him again nesrly two weeks ago but I dont remember what he said | 00:38 |
| sebsebseb | how many working sims you got? | 00:38 |
| Kabouik | Just got one and no other device accepting nanos | 00:39 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: yes looks like its just come out or something | 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | or about too prperly | 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | going by a link I just got on hmm | 00:43 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: yep November 8th all XA2 models should be supported ! | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | cool :) | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: oh november yeah | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | ti's december | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | so uhmm :) | 00:46 |
| Kabouik | But be sure to check that though because I'm not sure the full version is out | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: I th8ink I saw that free is out | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | at least though some where too | 00:46 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: how many working sim cards you got? | 00:47 |
| Kabouik | Just one nano | 00:47 |
| tiwake | ponies | 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: I can get a XA2, with a PS4 and assianens creed game, and more mobile data and that on my network | 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: but the catch is I need another sim if I go that way, since already got a hand set with them | 00:47 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: horses | 00:48 |
| tiwake | magical talking equines | 00:48 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: magical unicourns | 00:48 |
| tiwake | heh | 00:49 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: I don't have a PS4 so was thinking that deal. then pay it off aas time goes on, or more in part etc. got to do big enough up front charge too | 00:50 |
| * sebsebseb still needs to re flash the Xperia X because of ceratin reasons but yeah | 00:50 | |
| sebsebseb | maybe having two sims that got to pay for, for the time being isn't too bad, with the amount of smart phones I now have ! | 00:50 |
| Kabouik | I can't advise you, I don't have/want a PS4 and I hate Assasin's creed. :< | 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | plus got one I could use from my old network too on pay as you go or a goddy bag if I really want | 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: PS4 i don't want that much, but could be something to have one, my brother has one | 00:51 |
| sebsebseb | Assasisn creed I don't know, I saw the film and dind't really get it, but hadn't played games so. why don't you like it | 00:51 |
| Kabouik | I'm not into action or AAA games | 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | or could maybe buy the XA2 ULTRA instead for mroe else, wehre and that gets sfailsh too I guess :D | 00:52 |
| Kabouik | And I'm too concerned with my X Compact being borked :p | 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | but eh that would cost more | 00:52 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: X comapct is one of the sony phones I think? silly question maybe | 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | or is it like a cheaper one ? | 00:53 |
| Kabouik | It basically is a smaller Xperia X | 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | ah right | 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | how small ? | 00:53 |
| Kabouik | N9/Jolla1ish | 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | nice | 00:53 |
| sebsebseb | I usually like msallerw phones too, but yeah | 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | but after having a bigger phone in pocet, someth8ing like the iphone se which I also got, WOW that's just small | 00:54 |
| Kabouik | Which I like, even coming from a Jolla C I was thrilled to get back to a smaller phone | 00:54 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: ok looks like your right, there's a cut down trial version for the XA2, but not the full one just yet: https://blog.jolla.com/new-sailfish-x-support-xperia-xa2-variants-free-trial/ | 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: i missed the whole jolla c stuff and then it was to late when I found out, or I would have tried to have ggotton one myself | 00:57 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: and the Aquafish I wasn't going to risk trying to import into England from India, since I read it has no CE mark in it, so customs confascated on ceratin people trying to get into Europe | 00:58 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: no android support etc in the tiral | 01:00 |
| Kabouik | Yeah, not surprising because it's free | 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | and the camera stops working porperly once sailfih is on ! sine porpritary b it | 01:01 |
| Kabouik | I gues the trial is just like the full version without the proprietary components | 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: yeah but the full version isn't ready yet | 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | yes it is | 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | but the full ins't ready for the xa2 yet | 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: and once I put saiflish on my xperia x, I know the camera won't work as well anymore | 01:01 |
| sebsebseb | and also Sony's android implementation seems quite good really | 01:01 |
| Kabouik | Yeah well, I really dislike Android paradigm so it's not even a question for me | 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | why don't you like android ? | 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh and Ubports is really good as well :) | 01:02 |
| sebsebseb | the Ubuntu touch fork yeah | 01:02 |
| Kabouik | I don't like the whole thing, UI, the way it works, multitasking, navigation, visuals, basically everything. | 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | potential spying too | 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | but ios is like that too | 01:03 |
| Kabouik | I have no idea how to fix my X Compact, damnit | 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: yeah I don't like adnroid that much | 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | also they got too many apps | 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | android and ios | 01:03 |
| sebsebseb | Kabouik: yeah it's late in Europe, but if your here in day, you will probably get better luck | 01:03 |
| * sebsebseb remembers messing up the Jolla 1 and having to re flash | 01:04 | |
| tiwake | sebsebseb: you live in USA? | 01:05 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: no England | 01:07 |
| sebsebseb | you | 01:08 |
| tiwake | USA... was going to offer mailing some XA2 ultra crap I got on accident.. | 01:08 |
| tiwake | its just a couple screen protectors and a case | 01:09 |
| tiwake | not worth shipping internationally | 01:09 |
| Kabouik | Confirmed: bootloop for my X Compact :9 | 01:09 |
| Kabouik | Damn, and I don't have a backup phone for this sim format | 01:09 |
| tiwake | interesting https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Epic-Games-Store | 01:10 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: oh actually | 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: I think if it's small not that much | 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: it would probably come here mostly ok | 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | no big customs charge I mean | 01:14 |
| tiwake | well, shipping UPS or fedex is a loooot easier for me | 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: and I was just thinking about cases anyway | 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: yes can send via UPS or fedex | 01:14 |
| sebsebseb | well not sure about UPS quite but Fedex definetly | 01:15 |
| tiwake | not for anything less than $50 | 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | we got Fedex in UK | 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: but I was just thinking about that agin too, how woudn't have a case for it probably etc | 01:15 |
| tiwake | well, I'm not sure what fedex charges for international | 01:15 |
| sebsebseb | probably not that much to post USA to UK for small things with something | 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: also I have UPS, US post service? | 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | then just beocmes royal mail on this end | 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | I think above | 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: Royal Mail is like our standard post company | 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | the usual post | 01:16 |
| tiwake | USPS is generally what is used internationally, and I have looked at prices and stuff between UPS and USPS | 01:16 |
| sebsebseb | the usual mail | 01:16 |
| tiwake | UPS was bloody expensive | 01:17 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: just done a google search, sending small things from USA to UK | 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | and this came up: https://www.niparcels.com/courier-services/import/courier-from-usa-to-uk/ | 01:19 |
| sebsebseb | never used them but yeah | 01:19 |
| tiwake | the thing is my work has a USPS and UPS accounts, nothing else | 01:20 |
| tiwake | USPS is always closed after I'm done with work | 01:20 |
| tiwake | and doing some other crap is going to be even more of a hassle | 01:20 |
| tiwake | erp, work has a UPS and Fedex account, rather | 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: I guess this might help https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=2540173 | 01:21 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: we have DHL as well | 01:21 |
| tiwake | I think DHL is owned by UPS | 01:22 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: I would maybe have to pay a tiny bit of customs/vat on the parcel since coming outside of the EU | 01:23 |
| sebsebseb | (yes we are still in the EU for now, Brexit uhmm) | 01:23 |
| tiwake | heh | 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | but I think on your end you put what the stuff is worth and that's about it | 01:24 |
| tiwake | hurry up and just cut off of the EU already | 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: such a mess | 01:24 |
| tiwake | sheesh | 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | they might try and un do the whole brexit thing it seems too now going by the news | 01:24 |
| sebsebseb | USA is usally honest the stuff is worth what it is | 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | and china lie a bit | 01:25 |
| tiwake | it was kinda like "well, us leaders don't think it will pass, so sure, go ahead and vote for cutting out of the EU" and then it actually passed, and now they are coming up with as many excuses as possible to prevent it from happening | 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: BUT Ithink for small enough things they will hardly een care | 01:25 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: I think you should be able to send cheap | 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | since it's just small stuff | 01:26 |
| tiwake | blerf... maybe | 01:26 |
| sebsebseb | a bit like how letters just go through :) | 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | or pay a little more on the stamps if bigger or something bigger in there | 01:27 |
| tiwake | PM me in a week... I've been super busy with work lately and in a couple days a friend is arriving from 2,000 miles away to move in with me | 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | and how did you get xa2 stuff by mistake ? | 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | 2,000 miles hmm from there? | 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | from where | 01:27 |
| tiwake | 2,000 miles only gets you half-way across USA :3 | 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | over here would be in some othe country | 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | in Europe I thin k | 01:28 |
| tiwake | for sure... heh | 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | USA is massive ! | 01:28 |
| sebsebseb | not quite as big as Russia or China though I think | 01:28 |
| tiwake | to be fair, each state in USA is kinda like its own country | 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | but that was the canadians fault and rpobably mexico too etc h eh | 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | yes the states are a bit like countiers or can be | 01:29 |
| tiwake | at least are supposed to be | 01:29 |
| sebsebseb | which one are you in | 01:29 |
| tiwake | the only one that matters | 01:29 |
| tiwake | :3 | 01:29 |
| tiwake | Texas | 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | ok none then, since USA doens't matter :D | 01:30 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: Texas is knowng for the crazy cow boys or something like that still I think? also still has the death penalty uhhh ! ? | 01:30 |
| tiwake | oh yeah, it still has all the good stuff | 01:30 |
| tiwake | thats why I moved here | 01:31 |
| tiwake | and my friend is moving too | 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | so you would get the death penalty for something yeah | 01:31 |
| tiwake | if I decided to kill a few people, sure | 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | moved from where | 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: so how did you get xa2 stuff by mistake ? | 01:32 |
| tiwake | amazon, I thought I ordered XA2 stuff when in fact I was ordering XA2 ultra crap | 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: oh | 01:32 |
| sebsebseb | does the ultra stuff work with the normal xa2? | 01:32 |
| tiwake | so I have a water-proof case and two glass screen protectors for the XA2 ultra | 01:33 |
| tiwake | heh no... the XA2 ultra is quite a bit larger | 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: I bought a few wrong caes and too many scren protection stuff off amazon when I was trying to get stuff for the xpeira x | 01:33 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: oh right, but I thought i said I would be getting the standard XA 2 ??? | 01:33 |
| tiwake | you said something about the ultra a while back | 01:34 |
| tiwake | something about a playstation? | 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh you may have mis read | 01:34 |
| tiwake | iunno, and I'm too lazy to look again | 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: there's a deal too get | 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | well | 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | a standard XA2 phone single sim | 01:35 |
| tiwake | the XA2 ultra will work with SailfishOS | 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | with a free PS4 | 01:35 |
| tiwake | bleh, my beer is empty | 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | ahd the game | 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | and network stuff including a new sim which is the catch | 01:36 |
| tiwake | I should get more beer | 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | then can pay off in part or full later etc | 01:36 |
| tiwake | and ponies | 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | pay per month | 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | and I know there are three xa2's | 01:36 |
| tiwake | bleh I should shave too | 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | but the other two probably have a bit too big screen's etc | 01:37 |
| tiwake | and take out the trash and cook something for dinner | 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | also if it's like the xperia x, then the camera won't owrk proerly once sailfish is on anyway so | 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | so why get the more expensive versions, doesn't make sense | 01:37 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: pluss those are bigger phones | 01:38 |
| tiwake | sebsebseb: just do me a favor and hurry up and pull out of the EU | 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: why so we can have a nice trade deal with the US, if trump allows for it | 01:39 |
| tiwake | you know, like you voted for | 01:39 |
| tiwake | try not to get to the point of france | 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | no that wasn't me | 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | I voted remain | 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | but over half of the people in this country are silly really so leae won | 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: ok I am leaiving here,, and my lap top fan is sounding a bit funny it seems hmm | 01:42 |
| tiwake | laptops are crap | 01:43 |
| tiwake | get a desktop | 01:43 |
| tiwake | and PC masterrace | 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | tiwake: yeah can be I hae had a few issues with this one | 01:43 |
| tiwake | how much more advice do you want from me? | 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | I have old deskotps, they take up space and uh | 01:43 |
| tiwake | buy AMD, intel is crap | 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | AMD hsas more heat or pwoer or whatever it was | 01:43 |
| tiwake | no | 01:44 |
| tiwake | they have a slightly higher TDP number because AMD correctly reports what TDP is, intel lies about their TDP numbers | 01:44 |
| tiwake | for all intel processors, add 5% to 20% and sometimes more, to their reported TDP for a given processor to get actual TDP values | 01:45 |
| tiwake | I don't know how into security you are, but meltdown is an epic intel failure to save one or two clock cycles every once in a while, while creating a huge freaking security hole in all of their processors at the hardware level going back 25 years | 01:46 |
| tiwake | and includes their modern processors | 01:46 |
| tiwake | the 8000 series | 01:47 |
| tiwake | it can not be fixed with a firmware or microcode update | 01:48 |
| tiwake | honestly I'm surprised that anybody is buying anything intel at this point | 01:49 |
| tiwake | in the food or car industry that crap would be recalled because of unsafe crap, and the business would go under | 01:50 |
| svuorela | is it correct that sailfish for xa isn't yet with android support ? | 17:54 |
| r0kk3rz | thats what it says | 18:03 |
| svuorela | hmm.. thenm will only be short testing until that happens | 18:04 |
| svuorela | but makes me a bit sad | 18:07 |
| FireFly | supposedly "before the end of the year" | 18:17 |
| svuorela | I'll look forward to that. | 18:26 |
| FireFly | mmm, I mean same | 18:35 |
| FireFly | I started using the XA2 this week, but could use android support | 18:35 |
| svuorela | my xperia x starts to feel a little bit used. | 18:35 |
| svuorela | I got it second hand half a year ago when my C started to fade. | 18:35 |
| FireFly | My J1 started to feel a bit dated :p | 18:36 |
| FireFly | it's had a good run | 18:37 |
| svuorela | heh. | 18:37 |
| FireFly | first one J1 at that, so just about five years exactly | 18:37 |
| svuorela | I have 2 J1 in a drawer somewhere. | 18:37 |
| FireFly | I've been in "I should get a new phone" mode sorta for like.. a year and a half maybe | 18:38 |
| FireFly | but the final tipping point was when the banking app I need to login to gov't things stopped working this past summer because the android compat layer was too old | 18:38 |
| FireFly | I mean I could live without it, but it's certainly a hassle | 18:39 |
| svuorela | how do you get banking apps and such on your sailfish phon e? | 18:39 |
| FireFly | Oh, I had sideloaded google's play services thing and the play store, so could just install it from there | 18:39 |
| svuorela | oh. | 18:40 |
| r0kk3rz | its kinda shithouse that government things dont just use a website | 18:40 |
| FireFly | Was thinking I'd try microG stuffs on the XA2 once I have a working android compat layer | 18:40 |
| FireFly | r0kk3rz: yes. or something that's publicly standardised/free to implement/publicly vetted | 18:41 |
| FireFly | I don't like having to trust proprietary crypto | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | the web is about as standard as it gets these days | 18:41 |
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