| Jope | ls | 09:42 |
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| Nicd- | ll | 09:44 |
| Oni^ | Kabouik: try use 00 instead of + | 09:47 |
| abranson | Kabouik: I think it would be a good idea to install the ofono logger from the store and see what's going on when you try to make those calls. it's not normal behaviour. | 10:47 |
| abranson | could be a weird interaction between ofono and your sim | 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | are any of the actual Jolla staff around ? | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: what do you need? | 11:57 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: this stupid jolla form is uh ! | 12:17 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: I want Salifish X, but with my refund money they still owe me :) | 12:17 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: I am doing an event on Satudray, would be nice to have it on my phone by then, but its looking like no probably not again | 12:18 |
| r0kk3rz | ah ok, best to open a support ticket about that i think | 12:23 |
| pketo | sebsebseb: what's the problem? | 12:28 |
| pketo | sebsebseb: did you open ticket at https://jolla.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/requests/new ? | 12:29 |
| sebsebseb | pketo: no I got to get an account i think that's one thing | 12:30 |
| sebsebseb | pketo: then getting a imei off a phone is annoying | 12:31 |
| Jope | isn't that visible in the settings | 12:32 |
| Jope | *#06# in the dialer? | 12:32 |
| sebsebseb | Jope: its still on Android ! | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | what's the problem ! | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | my phone is still on Android | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | I want to put Salifish X on t | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | it | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | but also not have to pay for it ! | 12:33 |
| tadzik | well, it does have a dialer, doesn't it? ;) | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | they owe me still money for tablet i never got | 12:33 |
| pketo | sebsebseb: I think the imei is not necessary in your case, if the field is required just put something in that | 12:33 |
| tadzik | you can always put the free sfx first | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | i only got round one | 12:33 |
| tadzik | and then upgrade it to the proper one | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | tadzik: I did think of that, maybe putting the free version on | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | that's just a trial though ? | 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | also that's new having that ? | 12:33 |
| tadzik | sebsebseb: well, I think it's a trial as in "the free stuff is in there, the paid is not", but forever | 12:34 |
| tadzik | it's a bit of a misnomer | 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah looked like a cut down version | 12:34 |
| tadzik | and I think it's quite new, yes | 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | a demo | 12:34 |
| tadzik | indeed | 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | a cut down vversion | 12:34 |
| sebsebseb | pay if you want additional features such as Andriod | 12:34 |
| r0kk3rz | not *that* cut down | 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | Jolla is really doing stuff like propritary software ! | 12:35 |
| r0kk3rz | basically what you get with community edition | 12:35 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: jolla has been doing proprietary software since the beginning, this isnt new | 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | but the GUI really is propritary software anyway :D | 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | closed source | 12:35 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: yeah but Salifish is mostly open source, except for the GUI right ? | 12:36 |
| r0kk3rz | theres lots of open source parts, for sure | 12:36 |
| * sebsebseb might have to re flash with the trial/demo before Saturday if possible | 12:36 | |
| sebsebseb | then | 12:36 |
| sebsebseb | since ideally I want some kind of salifhs os on my phone by then | 12:37 |
| sebsebseb | I am doing this again :) | 12:37 |
| sebsebseb | http://facebook.com/LPDBristolUK | 12:37 |
| sebsebseb | yes look at that :) or if anyone has a total facebook fobia here, but it's working for gettng people in, http://linux-presentation-day.org.uk well go to that anyway | 12:37 |
| r0kk3rz | sledges: ^^ | 12:38 |
| r0kk3rz | you should really get some swag for it, give some stickers away or something :) | 12:38 |
| sebsebseb | also I didn't get any device on it with Salifish 2, so i won't really know the difference between 2 and 3 | 12:38 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: yes I treid contacting sledges last time with no response | 12:38 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: and I tried to ping him here yesterday | 12:39 |
| sebsebseb | we did actaully have him at our first LPD in 2016 though :) | 12:39 |
| sebsebseb | but yes sledges you availalbe this Saturday :) ? | 12:39 |
| sebsebseb | ping | 12:39 |
| r0kk3rz | sledges is often quite busy :( | 12:40 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: he was showing some devices, and gving away swag at our first one, it was good | 12:40 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: some other guy should be turning up at 4pm, or about, with some device he put salifish os on :) well hopefully :) | 12:40 |
| sebsebseb | anyway if I put the trial/demo on | 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | I can upgrade it later, once given proper access ? | 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | is it just a code or something ? | 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | like yep Propritary software | 12:41 |
| pketo | sebsebseb: yes | 12:41 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: its basically just some extra packages you install | 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | so there's probably a way to illegally crack it too, gettng extra's for free :) | 12:41 |
| sebsebseb | like the old days h eh, I only did that to one program, or did I h a ha | 12:42 |
| sebsebseb | piracy is bad !] | 12:42 |
| r0kk3rz | probably, but jolla wont continue support if nobody pays | 12:42 |
| sebsebseb | yeah even if I get form filled in today | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | they may not get untill at least tommoorw | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah it could take a while to get a response | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | but having the demo on would be a start ! I will probably be mostly pumping ubports anyway :D | 12:43 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure pketo can poke someone | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | pketo works for Jolla ? | 12:44 |
| pketo | sebsebseb: yes :) | 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah what's a good app for well backing up saving my android texts and such ? | 12:44 |
| Jope | sebsebseb, *#06# in the dialer is part of the GSM spec or something old like that. should work in almost any cellphone that does gsm | 12:48 |
| Jope | also android | 12:49 |
| Jope | and the imei is also buried inside the settings in android.. | 12:49 |
| sebsebseb | Jope: yeah I know can get a imei in android | 12:49 |
| Jope | great | 12:49 |
| sebsebseb | looks like i may not need to though | 12:49 |
| sebsebseb | Jope: but what's a good app for backing up saving android texts and such ? | 12:49 |
| Jope | I'm the wrong guy. I don't bring anything else to a new device apart from my custom ringtones.. everything else comes from the cloud basically | 12:50 |
| Jope | smses are disposable | 12:50 |
| Jope | if I need something there for keeps, I copy it to something that keeps stuff | 12:50 |
| Jope | sorry. | 12:50 |
| sebsebseb | Jope: yeah I guess only some of my texts are useful | 12:51 |
| sebsebseb | from when I factry reset it | 12:52 |
| sebsebseb | so I guess i used something before | 12:52 |
| Jope | there are tools to export them, but it's been such a long time.. the last phone I did where stuff had to be kept was for my wife. sony android -> sony android, so the built in tools just magically worked | 12:52 |
| sebsebseb | so is Salifish X now Salfisih 3 as well or ? | 13:01 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: Jope looks like pketo hes helped out on the Jolla end :), so I can look into re flashing later or whenever I am gong to do it | 13:03 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: just call it sailfish os | 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: is it version 3 ? | 13:07 |
| r0kk3rz | 3.0.0.8 is the current version, sure | 13:08 |
| sebsebseb | by the way tablet yeah hmm, that most of us didn't get the jolla tablet, but then some of us also got caught out on this: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/youyota-sailfish-os-2-in-1-tablet#/ | 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | that would have been a nice device | 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | yes I did crowd fund that, so I lost my money on that one it seems ! | 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | oh and the vega plus I won't be getting as well it seems | 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: what's the difference betwen 2 and 3 ? | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | the planet gemini seems like a cool thing | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: +1? | 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | I didn't really get a chance to play with 2 | 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | what you mean +1 ? | 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | I meant salifsh 2 and 3 | 13:11 |
| r0kk3rz | the difference between 2 and 3... | 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | yes salifish 2 and 3 | 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | and the planet gemmi wats' that, got a link ? | 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | oh and off topic, but who likes slack here :d ? | 13:13 |
| r0kk3rz | idk there were like 15 updates between 2.0 and 3.0, so probably lots | 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: what do you see that's diffent ? | 13:14 |
| r0kk3rz | stuff | 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | yeah going from 1.0 a old version on a jolla phone | 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | to 3.0 | 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | is probably going to look quite differnet | 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | and my Jolla phone is havng some hardware issues now a bit or something | 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | can't remember quite, | 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | so probably wont' take that on s aturday with me | 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | I got a load of other phones and devices and waht not to take with | 13:15 |
| Nicd- | the Youyota was never shipped? | 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: indeed | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | nope | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | color me surprised | 13:17 |
| r0kk3rz | it died a tragic death | 13:17 |
| Nicd- | :P | 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: or the guy went off with money ? | 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: oh as in you thought it woudn't happen ? | 13:18 |
| r0kk3rz | nah, pretty sure all the money got spent | 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | they didn't have enough extra ? | 13:18 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 13:18 |
| Nicd- | sebsebseb: never believed in it | 13:19 |
| abranson | sebsebseb: which device are you trying to get sailfish x on? | 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | where as with this one | 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | they may have just gone off with money | 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/the-sinclair-zx-spectrum-vega-plus-console#/ | 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | so many people annoyed about that | 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | in the comments | 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | I only crowd funded that one, thinking it would be something, different and fun | 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | but yep seems lost money on that one too | 13:20 |
| Nicd- | how much money have you lost so far? | 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | and I had one more I had issues with early on too, since the guy got stupid with me, and never sent anything out when I was like oh I was thinking of getting patron maybe in a email, and it all started off | 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: not sure only on three campaings | 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | out of about hmm | 13:20 |
| r0kk3rz | sebsebseb: btw https://store.planetcom.co.uk/products/gemini-pda-1 | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | ten maybe? inclduing the linux voice magazine, everything else been actasul tech | 13:21 |
| r0kk3rz | thats an actual product, not a kickstarter | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | I don't crowdfund at all, but I do read r/shittykickstarters | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | and ten being both indiegogo and kickstarter | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | it's a goldmine | 13:21 |
| abranson | r0kk3rz: but if you want a kickstarter, then the Cosmo one is still going! | 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: what you mean gold mine ? | 13:21 |
| Nicd- | goldmine of shitty and mismanaged projects | 13:21 |
| r0kk3rz | comedy goldmine | 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | I have crowd funded a bit, but don't really have money to do it with as such, and much more so now, now that got real bills et | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | to be fair I did not believe in Gemini either and they got it shipped, that's cool | 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | I pay all the bils myself now, since got a own flat | 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | that wasn't the case before | 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | I get some discounts etc too actsually since... but even so | 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | Nicd-: its a bit hit and miss | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | crowd funding | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: would have bbeen good if yougta put up an update | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | sorry we spent all the cash on .... | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | it didn't work out | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | this is crowd funding | 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | they would get flammed in comments maybe, but so be it | 13:25 |
| abranson | I think when people find themselves in such sticky legal situations, they say as little as possible to avoid extra liability | 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | abranson: yeah vega plus being all quite too | 13:26 |
| abranson | but anyway, is your sfos x request for the Xperia X or the XA2? because it's not out for the XA2 yet, so you might as well just use the free image if you want it on one of those. | 13:27 |
| mal | Nicd-: gemini was suprisingly on time | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | r0kk3rz: mal yes gemmi was crowd funded oringally i think ? | 13:27 |
| mal | well almost on time, compared to most crowdfunding projects | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | also that's expensive | 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | and I got gpd win and gpd pocket and yeah anyway | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | not sure why GPD keep on going back to indeigoo | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | despite delivering a lot of successful projects like that already | 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | with millions in cash | 13:28 |
| r0kk3rz | the up front cost is probably too prohibitive | 13:29 |
| r0kk3rz | and, if people keep throwing in their money, why not? | 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | too risky you mean, or to much ? | 13:29 |
| r0kk3rz | both | 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | abranson: yes I will be re flashing my sony xperia x, and pketo helped with the refund thing :) | 13:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh and you jolla staff too or ? | 13:30 |
| abranson | yep | 13:30 |
| sebsebseb | akaWolf: what's the xa2 another sony device ? | 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | for abranson | 13:31 |
| abranson | yes. the new one to be supported by sailfish x | 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | when was that released | 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | as in the hardware ? | 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | the device | 13:31 |
| abranson | last year I think? | 13:32 |
| abranson | https://blog.jolla.com/new-sailfish-x-support-xperia-xa2-variants-free-trial/ | 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | but the xperia x is like three years old isn't it ? | 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | the device ? | 13:32 |
| abranson | the sailfish image was just recently | 13:32 |
| abranson | which is why I thought you might mean that one | 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | no I just hadn't done it yet on the xpeira x | 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | it's been on android for way longer than intended in a way for various reasons | 13:32 |
| abranson | oh this year. xa2 was released in feb of this year. | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | including not having the refund voucher access thing, but now I do :) | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | but the xperia x is like three years old I think ? | 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | people think I got way too many smart phones :) I am like popey it seems :D | 13:33 |
| * sebsebseb my next phone will be the libre m i guess, but not paid for that yet | 13:34 | |
| sebsebseb | also there's a pine 64 kde pone coming out, being worked on, so would like that too :) | 13:34 |
| * sebsebseb is interested in oses :) differnet osees | 13:34 | |
| sebsebseb | well not Windows :D | 13:34 |
| inte[m] | I only wonder for when VoLTE/VoWiFi support is scheduled? | 13:35 |
| inte[m] | Was said to be introduced with sfos3 | 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | inte[m]: whats that ? | 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | oh a new wirelss thing | 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | mobile data ? | 13:36 |
| inte[m] | Voice over LTE/WiFi? | 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | not quite sure what that is but yeah | 13:36 |
| inte[m] | It is needed to make phone calls over LTE or WiFi networks | 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | thought something like that | 13:37 |
| inte[m] | When there is no 3G/GSM coverage available but only LTE and/or WiFi | 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | that makes sense | 13:38 |
| inte[m] | Quite a standard feature for years... :-) | 13:39 |
| inte[m] | At least VoLTE, guess it was introduced around 14 | 13:39 |
| r0kk3rz | whenever they get around to it | 13:39 |
| inte[m] | At least it made its way into the announcement... | 13:40 |
| inte[m] | Maybe there was a further statement, e.g. in the channel meeting? | 13:41 |
| r0kk3rz | nope | 13:41 |
| inte[m] | OK thx | 13:41 |
| inte[m] | Just asking | 13:41 |
| inte[m] | If anyone has a current status update on that, be welcome :) | 13:42 |
| r0kk3rz | there was lots of things on the sfos 3 announcement that have yet to materialise | 13:42 |
| henk | the little sms preview popup shows the mTANs used for logging into e-banking and such. the phone being locked becomes more or less irrelevant for security. can that preview be switched off? | 17:21 |
| *** Renault_ is now known as Renault | 17:45 | |
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